All the Guns on a T-62 Tank (with Nicholas Moran, the Chieftain)
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
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Today Nicholas Moran (the Chieftain) and I are at Battlefield Vegas courtesy of Wargaming.net, to show you around a Soviet T-62 and all its various armaments. This particular T-62 was built in 1971 or 1972 and initially sold to Syria. It saw combat in the Valley of Tears in 1973, but survived as was eventually transferred to Lebanese ownership. From there is was captured by Israel and eventually imported into the United States via the UK. The T-62 was the last of the "simple" WW2-style Soviet tanks, and equipped with and extremely effective 115mm smoothbore main gun. In addition to that cannon, we will discuss and shoot the coaxial PKT machine gun and the loader's antiaircraft DShKM heavy machine gun.
If you enjoy this video, check out World of Tanks - and maybe they will send Nicholas and I back again to do the same thing yet again on a third tank!
For videos on the detail of tanks like this one, check out The Chieftain:
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0:00:00 - Introduction
0:06:02 - Coaxial PKT
0:13:12 - Antiaircraft DShKM
0:20:25 - 115mm Main Gun
0:28:43 - Firing the main gun
Contact:
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So, if I play enough World of Warships, will we see a video shooting the guns of an Iowa class Battleship?
I like the way you think
I'm totally down for Ian and The Chieftain teaming up with Ryan from the USS New Jersey to collab!
@@WPSent Ryan would get into so much trouble if they even tries to fire even a salute round off the NJ
Dude just one gun would be the illest video. I would definitely contribute to a fundraiser to build or buy a single ww2 era style naval cannon. They're just so absolutely rediculously powerful.
That would be too cool.
Aww... Ian didn't get lectured about the intricacies of track tensioning.
I love the Gags they have these two work very well together
Fading out like that was a savage burn. Also a plug for The Chieftain's video.
I think he did, but they just added a bit at the end of Ian cutting him off. Lol
Of course the chieftain would immediately talk about track tensioning and how the track pins worked.
That's why you go to the Chieftain's channel for that.
22:31-22:49 Yes. The T-62 was able to penetrate both the Chieftain, and M60 Patton tanks. During combat in the Iran-Iraq war, it was found that the British Chieftain tanks were being penetrated by 115mm ammunition, at the front of the turret, and upper glacis plate (according to the data I have, apparently 70% of the Chieftains were knocked out, mostly by 115mm guns). What's even more surprising was the fact that something as "mundane" as steel-cored APDSFS from the T-62's gun, was able to achieve these frontal penetrations (against the Chieftains), with good reliability, and at around 1 km range (or more)
This vulnerability of the Chieftains was also proven (at nearly the same distance, same gun, same ammunition, and same impacted points) during Soviet tests as well. I recall, that the Russians managed to capture (relatively) intact Chieftain (specifically Mk.5 versions. These British tanks were sold to the Iranians, which were then captured by the Iraqis. Which were then given/donated to the Soviets by the Iraqis), and M60 Patton tanks. With these captured vehicles, they were able to perform extensive tests on them. Because of these tests, the Soviet engineers concluded that Chieftain tanks were vulnerable to 115mm, and 125mm guns. The most notable thing, that I remember from the report is that, areas of 240mm LOS thickness (on the Chieftain, and M60 tanks) are fully exploitable by 115mm guns using finned ammunition (both steel, and tungsten cored ammunition)
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A) www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp82t00709r000102700002-6
(Just to make sure I am not bullshitting about Soviets testing captured Chieftain tanks given by the Iraqis. Here is a CIA intelligence report about the presence of British Chieftain tanks in Leningrad testing areas)
B) btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/432armor_eng.htm (Some details about Soviet tests on captured Chieftain tanks, and a study of the vulnerability of these British tanks)
C) thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2015/12/t-62.html?m=1#ap (Some more information about the T-62's 115mm APDSFS ammunition. Courtesy of Tankograd. Yay, Tankograd!!!)
D) www.flickr.com/photos/7682151@N07/40600023554/ (Some information about the resistance of Chieftain tanks to 115mm, and 125mm guns)
If your a military history nerd like me, hopefully, you find this information useful 😊
This comment really needs more upvotes.
Thank you
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@@NateTheScot Argument destroyed
Thank you
19k here. I was a loader on an Abrams during a gunnery, and all my 6' tall ass was worried about was getting the next round up, and not letting the breech block remove my knees. My TC said "after you load this next one, come up top".
So I threw in a sabot, locked breech lever up and came up top and sat. "Up!"
I remember the sun had already set, and there was just a hint of orange and purple along the horizon of the hills. My TC said to me "take a big breath and try not to blink" as he pointed at the end of the barrel. So I did. TC went ahead- "Fire!" "On the way!"
A gigantic flash of light filled my entire field of vision, and all of the air was sucked out of my lungs, and replaced with this explosive smell. It was like everything that excites a child about fireworks, multiplied to the highest possible level. I couldn't tell you if it was loud.. there was just the concussion that stuns you, and by the time my vision came back to me, I could see a little orange ball flying away from us and impacting the hill far away. I let out an excited cheer that came out on its own, looked over at my TC and said "Fuck yeah!", who was staring back at me grinning and just said "there ain't nothing like it." It probably gave me 6 kinds of cancer and took 10% of my hearing, but that smell, that glow.. I'll never forget it.
Sounds like something you will remember for the rest of your life, you ears for sure wont forget it too
I stuck my head out of the turret during gunnery (forget which table we were on) as a loader once. Yeah, I had a similar experience. Never did that again. lol
@@kiryu5499 With the CVC on, the noise ain't that bad. It's the insane concussion.
Big guns are like that! I was at knob creek and degroute (sp?) Tactical had a american arty piece setup on the line. From over 1000 yards away, inside the tent city gun show portion it was so loud me and my friend about shat ourselves! We put our ear pro on and made sure we were down at the line when he fired it the next time. It was epic, brilliant and beautiful all at the same time.
Its too bad we can all just make these bad ass big guns and drive around blowing holes in the desert and then all go home and have a beer. Damn but they can they be works of explosive art at times!
I think it was the smaller artillery. The M3 or the M101. That said its possible it was a M114 155mm. It was nearly 20 years ago now.
It's weirdly refreshing when a sponsor is so forward and blatent with their marketing plans.
"We love you and think you're special and money is the devil, please give us money."
eww, why?
"Ayy we got cool stuff. Gimme some dosh, fam."
*yass*
It's a weird sort of subtle.
It’s not so much that Wargaming is blatant about it as Ian and Nicholas are. WG isn’t known for its transparency, but those two are just there for the boom boom.
It’s nice knowing it’s an exchange rather than pretending it’s not.
Don't praise WG, this is probably the closest the public will ever get to what they have in mind for a 'marketing ploy' bear in mind the irony of how they stopped updating the only T-62 variant in the actual game itself.
I love how the entire pitch is "this is a blatant marketing ploy, if you think it's cool, keep us doing it". Best marketing ploy ever. lol
It's almost as though we respond well to truth in advertising.
@@novicereloader unfortunately, that's a cyclical preference; once truth is assumed, the liar has advantage, when lies are assumed, truth is the advantage.
@@iainburgess8577 ...or, a person on UA-cam who has developed a solid reputation stated something that is very much aligned with the value system he appears to uphold. Given that there doesn't appear to be any reason to doubt him, I'll just take him at face value. Cheers
It's like that movie "Crazy People" with Dudley Moore as the brutally honest ad-man.
This is pitch, play game now enjoy content
This is how it should be
You know, this particular example is probably the happiest T-62 in the entire world: He will never see blood and suffering of friends or enemies, but also still be kept lurking around county side in complete working status with good maintenance...
Well said. Love this comment
Yea, back in Russia there are tanks just like it that have been stored in warehouses gathering dust before being thrown against brand new ATGMs.
@@Shaun_Jones You said, "yea". So Shakespeare.
I believe you meant, "yeah". Not quite the same.
@@Svensk7119 I don’t care, literally at all.
@@Shaun_Jones Okay.
Just for the more enthusiastic:
"Sh" in "DShK" stands for "Shpagina", after Georgi Shpagin, the same person who designed the PPSh-41 submachine gun. He designed the feed system for the weapon.
I always wondered actually..why there is a small word sh between the major alphabet . thanks for the info .
@@hermanman8235 Because in English there is no one single letter that can denote the sound "ш" (Дегтярёва Шпагина Крупнокалиберный - literally means "Degtyarev's Shpagin's Large-caliber")
nice, such a cool weapon
"Shpagina" means "Shpagin's".
@@user-vz3xy7hw8v INTERESTING...
I was really hoping Ian would have been carrying his "Krinkov" when he climbed out of the tank.
Aks-74u vs CZ bren carbine
damn that would have been so cool haha
"Kaboom tank? Yeah, I'll kaboom tank."
"Why carry a weapon when a weapon can carry you"?
I like how you put Krinkov in quotations because it barely qualifies as one, lol.
It never ceases to amaze me that such a tall man decided to be a Tanker.
You should see his video where he talks about starting in the Irish Army -- their "tanks" were way, way, smaller than the M1's and stuff that he was commanding in the US Army.
The Chieftain isn't really tall. He's three Irish midgets in a trenchcoat.
@@harbl99 where’s the trench-coat?
@@harbl99 Hum, that would make 2 of them illegal immigrants...
I'm an inch taller than Nick (6'6") and I was a US tanker. M60s and early M1s. There was one guy in my company that was...6'9"!
25:25 The sign on the wall of the turret - "Магазины АК" - that means "AK magazines". And there are 4 AK mags over tere =)
Just putting this out there: orbital velocity on the moon is about 1700 m/s
this gun on the moon can hit any other point on the surface
Intercontinental artillery
one thing I like about Nicholas Moran and Wargaming when they pull these stunts is that they are at least honest about their intentions to get you to play their game. No beating around the bush, or pretending there's a benevolent motivation beyond "We have a game, we want you to play it."
The fact that this intention results in excellent content, such as The Chieftain's Hatch blog, is an amazing side effect, probably because they spend nothing on trying to trick us about the purpose of their content.
Shame war thunder is better but run by a trash company
@@hitvids920 Oh no, when it comes to running the actual game, Wargaming is a pretty trash company too.
@@caimansaurus5564 I'd say there's far worse these days, as evident by the on-going collapse of Activision-Blizzard currently.
@@Adierit unfortunately correct. Some sekrit document stalinium Russian tanks and prem ammo spam at high levels is better than LOOTBOXES EVERYWHERE and shit company_ism
@@hitvids920 Neither of them are great companies, but WoT does fund more interesting ads.
When Nicholas started talking about the tracks I was half expecting a spongebob "3 hours later" screen. XD
To text comments cracked me up!
@@Biden_is_demented Note how he's dissing all night vision technologies of the era and not specifically the model installed in this vehicle. Has roughly the same spiel in his series on the Strv 103C; paraphrased "when night vision tech is bad enough to require spotlights to see more than a couple hundred meters, lobbing a flare doesn't seem like such a bad idea."
**thinks about T-64 intensely for many days**
**Ian makes video on the T-62**
Ah, a stroll through paradise.
A T-64 enjoyer, a fellow man of taste.
T-64 best Soviet tonk@@nev5745
I was mechanic-driver of T-62 for 2 years. All is simple and reliable .Endurance is incredible .
You know guys, im so proud, that i take a little part of restoring this tank as a manual and papers translator from Russian to English. There is something about 5500 miles between me and Vegas, but i can feel all the emotions that guys recieve.
Smooth ride Beauty, smooth ride!
What were the most interesting parts of the manual for you?
@@mortarriding3913 you know, im a tank nerd(or something like that), so it will be a nice experience for me.
All of translated data, that i give to the BFV guys was interesting for both sides.
@@steels96 was there any difficulty in conveying the technical language?
We really appreciate your help to bring this tank "back to service" with BFV. It's good for business obviously but it's also good for the study of history. Double win!
@@mortarriding3913 my basic college course of technical English helps me a lot. And sure, i buy some soviet technical-military dictionaries to help me. Right now i held a '66 issue of "western pact weaponry and systems". You know, when you speaking with "old words" you can better understand the elderly persons. By the way English for me is a my first hobby. So that's the main reason why i registered in Facebook and other "English-only" websites. Also i try to make or join a conversations with English speakers.
As you can see, that '62 is result of it.
The Arabic markings on the tank: right side of the turret reads "759", and on the rear of the vehicle literally says "The Army".
It also has IDF markings on it, probably a captured Egyptian or Syrian tank, although if that's the case I'm not sure why they would leave the arabic markings on it.
@@redlabel5241 Ah, so that would be the red spray paint? I only recognized the Arabic since it's my native language.
This thing seems to have changed hands quite a few times till it arrived at the US!
@@Y.M... The writing inside the number rectangle is an acronym for "Base Work Shop". Right next to it outside the rectangle it says "Line". On the barrel, worryingly, it says something like "Disqualified" or "defective".
The markings I was referring to were not actually the red ones, the "license plate" numbers (white digits on black background) are clearly IDF and on the turret the same number is written in white with the hebrew letter for army (a serial number with the letter צ is very common for marking IDF property) next to it.
@@redlabel5241 Neat. Thanks for clarifying those markings as well!
The MT-12 Rapira is an insanely accurate gun, artillery instructors used to hit a metal bucket from 2000 meters (6000+ ft) when they showed off the gun to their students
@2:54
The 12.7 x 108 mm gun has been designed by designers Дегтярев (Degtyarov) and Шпагин (Shpagin). Military systems are traditionally called by the name of chief designers.
So naturally the gun's official name is ДШК - Дегтярев, Шпагин, Крупнокалиберный. Крупнокалиберный is not the last name of another designer :), it's a description of the gun, an adjective meaning Large-caliber.
When you transcribe ДШК into English you need to come with a way to substitute symbol Ш. The intent of a transcription system is to substitute not exactly the symbols but the sounds, which the symbols _typically_ produce. This way Ш becomes SH, different symbols but the same sound :)
So Д->D Ш->SH К->K and ДШК becomes DSHK.
The ДШКМ is an abbreviation for Дегтярев, Шпагин, Крупнокалиберный, Модернизированный meaning Degtyarov, Shpagin, Large-caliber, Modernized
ДШКМ ->DSHKM.
Pronunciation of abbreviation in Russian adds a bit more complexity. It's hard (or not typical in verbal Russian) to pronounce 3 consonants in a row [d][sh][k], even harder for 4 consonants - [d][sh][k][m]. So natural Russian language rules convert each symbol in ДШК into a sound as they are called in alphabet. In alphabet Д is pronounced as дэ [d[]je] not д [d], Ш - as шэ [sh][je] not [sh], К - as ка [k][a] not [k], М - as эм [je][m] not [m].
Combining all together we got pronunciation (sounds) for ДШКМ as дэ-шэ-ка-эм [d][je][sh][je][k][a][je][m] - consonant, vowel, consonant, vowel, consonant, vowel, vowel, consonant
Learned something new today
Чувак, ты столько букв потратил на это....
Единственное, где можно поправить, так это то, что "je" относится к букве "е" (русская Е), когда буква "э" транслитерируется просто как "e" (английская И). А так я вообще удивлён, что кто-то потратил на это время.
Thanks for announcing the ad in such a frank/clear way, more people should realize that ads can be OK if done right.
I like the no nonsense get the advertisement out of the way at the start then the video can continue without interuptions
Honestly, only ad tgat made me consider downloading the game
Seriously, there's so much insincerity in sponsor plugs when people read off of a script and you can tell from a mile away. Honest marketing is best marketing. "We drive real life tanks, we're a good team to sponsor from a company that makes a game about driving tanks, and it's working, so we're going to keep going."
true. Sponsor messages are usually super cringey. Not this one
There are two other channels that can create entertaining advertisments which are detached from the main video: Jay Foreman and Squire - they make the ad as a funny dramatic scene, or sometimes a song.
For as many problems that wargaming has, i do appreciate everything that they've done to raise interest in tanks and history
Also the "Sh" in DShK stands for Shpagin, the other designer
It was probably an awkward phrasing, I think maybe Ian wanted to point out that Shpagin designed the feeding system? Although I'm really not sure if it was Shpagin who designed the new, 1946 version of the feedblock.
BTW, just wanted to quickly point out that the correct pronunciation of "DShK" is "DEH-shah-kah", not "DEE-Shk"
@@nibs7252 Deh-sheh-kah (shah is the correct old-timey pronunciation when you're learning to spell, but when spelling acronyms it's "eh" not "ah"). And no stresses, it's an acronym.
When I reported for duty with the 3rd US Cavalry Regiment there were no M60 tanks in the motor pool. All of them had been shipped to Israel to replace losses there. A few months went by, and we got a Czech built T62 tank that the Israelis had captured on the Golan Heights. We used it in Warsaw pact vehicle familiarization training. What I remember is how ruggedly reliable that T-62 was. It got no maintenance at all but just kept on running and running. When it stopped smoking, we knew it was time to add engine oil!
The terrorists of the Zionist regime will leave the lands like the American regime was destroyed when they fled Afghanistan at the same time
This tank is a bad ass tank. It was our units main target, every field problem was based on finding and destroying this tank. M60s 80-82.
when you think "tank" what stereotypically comes to mind is essentially the T-62, big, beefy with a big gun and a dome turret.
The fact this particular T-62 was in the Valley of Tears and later captured by the Israeli army is absolutely amazing. One of the most famous tank battles in history.
Agree and second the motion for a follow-up video from Chieftain for a historical vignette video on this very battle? Could be cool.
@@GTLandser Agreed, though it would have to feature a segment on how to check track tension on every type of vehicle used in the battle.
I love how the main gun round just looks like they took 54r and made it 1000 times bigger.
Dimitri- My thoughts exactly! I guess great minds think alike eh??😀😁
I wouldn't surprise me if they did! A .50 cal BMG round is a 30-06 scaled up, and the V-2 rocket is a scaled up 8mm Mauser bullet!
Whatever works, right?
Can we scale up a Mosin-Nagant 1000 times? I want to see a giant 5-round 115mm box magazine.
@@oriontaylor That would be too big...make it as an Obrez.
@@oriontaylor The Japanese will be happy to provide a prototype Gundam to cycle the bolt.
When you think the interior of western tanks are cramped and then Ian and Nick remind you that ergonomics is a filthy western imperialist concept.
That gets worse when they move on to the T-72
@@armchairgeneralissimo Yep as a Czech, I've had a chance to try driver and gunner positions in one of our T-72s (one of the modernised versions). I'm 185 cm and roughly 100kg so no giant but no small boy either. I couldn't fit properly any way I tried and it felt like I was wearing that armor rather than sitting in it.
I'm not a material for an Easter block tanker.
@@mortisCZ I've seen a lot of the Czech's soviet stuff is being sold, I can buy one of your T-72s for about 100k Euros lol.
@@mortisCZ I'm 178cm by 60 kg, this sounds like a job for me! If I can move that bloody massive shell, anyway.
@@tomgjgj you won't have to! They are all autoloaded now!
Former US Army tanker. Ian, your loading needs work ;-) 25:10 take the palm of your left (dominant) hand and place it on the butt end of the round. Right hand on the neck of the round. Place it to your chest, drop your left hand vertically downwards while bending your knees slightly. Use your right hand to guide the head of the round into the breach while driving the round with your legs, back, shoulder, and left hand. It takes practice to get it right and makes everyone look a bit silly at first.
Now we need Othais to track down a working Hotchkiss 37mm rotary pom-pom, Vickers Mark I, and 6 Pounder on a WWI era gunboat and team up with Drachinifel. Or maybe Bismark and Ian can hitch a ride on an AC-130.
Co-op between Ian, Othais and Drachinifel once the restoration of the Schnellboot S-130 is finished!
I appreciate this level of directness in marketing. If I wasn't already playing War Thunder, I might actually give it a try.
If I hadn't already wasted years of my life playing WoT, I'd give it a try...
If WoT didn't feel more like work than work, I might give it another try.
I agree. I've tried WoT, Armored Warfare and WT. For me, War Thunder is the most fun and most satisfying to play. I've been playing it on and off for about 6 years now and have no intention of stopping. :)
I've gotta say though, World of Tanks is still a really good game. Its gameplay isn't as enjoyable as War Thunder's in my opinion but the game is high quality.
It's also on mobile, something I don't thin War Thunder will ever achieve.
dont, the game has become unplayable
Mildly disappointed that there wasn't a short segment of "Oh bugger, the tank is on fire". I mean what is an extra 2.25 minutes?
"блять, танк горит!"
Fantastic! Two World re-known experts of their respective fields combining to give us these brilliant videos; rammed with info, 'loaded' with humour and pace! Really top-guns. ThankS Ian, Nick.
having this T62 on a desertic terrain and having ian wearing an uniform looking very similar to the soviet afganka one from the 80s really gave a kind of afgan-war vibe to it
Watch the movie The Beast
@@kenanfurcle786 the beast featured a T-55 if i m not mistaken ?
@@gamecubekingdevon3True
It isn't similar, it is a USSR desert uniform of the late 1980's.
The beast is a great movie
Loved it when the video faded to black soon as the chieftain was about to go on about the tracks XD
I was looking forward to it.
For reference, I'm sure he was going on about the metal lump on the hull that whacks the unsecured track pins back into the track. It's covered on a T-34-85 in The Mighty Jingles' Top 5 Tanks video from Bovington Tank Museum if you want to see and hear it described.
@@OOZ662 thanks :)
But this means we missed the most important part. What if you come across a T-62 in an emergency situation and the tracks aren't tensioned?
@@mortarriding3913 to be honest otherwise you, I skip agaed on chieftain videos on the track tensioning pits
He thinks its his differentiator, while his rea differentiator is the he's the chieftain: a veteran tank commander who is still in service and has unmatched access to documents whe asi being a consultant for the tank game that startd whe whole thing.
Track tensioning be damned, I'm here for the interesting parts
My two favourite UA-camrs, not least because of the charm, erudition, wryness in delivery, and, above all, the modesty of their intros (looking at you, MAC). A quality production.
Completely agree. A big part of what makes their videos so enjoyable is that they are both "nerds" (in the most endearing sense of the word), and they have managed to turn their interest into great content for the benefit and enjoyment of us other nerds.
It is also counter to so much ugly commentary on the internet, which seeks to tear down people for the slightest mistake or omission. Ian and Nick seem to embrace new information, because the knowledge itself is the point, not being seen as an infallible expert. That kind of humble interest and joy in discovery is impossible to fake, and something we used to also value highly in the sciences.
@@GTLandser I should, perhaps, have pointed out my comment about the intros only applies to the Chieftain AFTER he binned that bloody music. Always a pleasure to listen to an expert in their field when they can break it down for we non engineers.
@@oscarharriet7030 I know it’s 2 years later but it wasn’t Chieftain who added the music to those videos. It was added only to the videos Chieftain recorded in partnership with Wargaming because the arrangement was that Chieftain did the research and recording side of production, and the guys at Wargaming edited the footage and added the ‘infamous’ music.
It only took about 5 minutes and they're on the track. Good thing Ian was there or we'd never made it to the gun.
This would be a fantastic series if it weren't so hard to find more fully operational tanks
Just gotta say it’s always nice seeing mike stoklasas face in almost every forgotten weapons comment section
Obviously you should film it in russia, we can't get rid of the things fast enough.
more like - if it werent so damn expensive to do it
They just need plane ticket to some east european country,they would find old operational tanks in amount you would not believe
Do you know how much I appreciate the forthcoming nature of this intro? This is a marketing ploy, these only come out if you decide to play the game in the description. Do you know how much easier it is to take that, than listen to any other "content creator" do something remotely close? Because they always read from the cheesiest scripts and hype up some pay to win ad-fest of a game. But the first 2 minutes of this video were done correctly, thank you so much.
The question, though, is "did it work?". It's not exactly 'standard' for our office either, my reputation is a bit on the line. Only the metrics will tell.
@@TheChieftainsHatch It might still be a little soon to tell, but if I didn't skip the first 2 minutes, I don't think your more patient viewers will either. Good luck and I hope to see another one of these, with a similar intro.
@@SonsOfLorgar or Internet Historian
@@TheChieftainsHatch I skip literally every ad ever. Didn’t skip this one. We the people appreciate not being fed bullshit. We know ads make the world go ‘round. Sly transitions and scripted marketing lines are insufferable.
We know you have to run ads. That’s fine. When they amount to “we can do this again if you go play this game that is paying for us to do this”...people might actually go play the game in a show of support.
@@TheChieftainsHatch depends on how much player retention matters. I'll happily create an account and play the game for 2 days just to support you guys before college restarts. But will that 6-7 hours of gameplay even help or matter? I for sure am not going to sink time into this game long-term as i don't have the spare time in general. But hopefully others do and it works out.
I am so jealous of Ian. Man just gets to travel around the world, touch rare guns and fire real tanks.
"Vystrel!" - Moran's Russian isn't bad at all! Thanks for a nice video of the T-62 actually including shooting the damn thing!
I know what Выстрел! means, but I can't make out the word before it. It sounds like "Огонь!", but that isn't a verb.
@@notspacekeeper “Ogon!” It means fire.
@@Kurogumo Pronounced "ā-go-nn" for anyone curious, "o" can be pronounced "a" in Russian.
"Why carry a weapon when the weapon can carry you" love that
Very common phrase (and belief!) in the Armor community. Then usually the Infantry will grumble something about the Queen of Battle or point to their Airborne wings, but Tankers ultimately win the argument when the "crunchies" come skulking over to the back of the tank during winter to keep warm or heat up a ration pack off the engine exhaust.
When you catch them gazing longingly up to the TC or Loader, and they observe the crew have their parkas unzipped because the heater is keeping the tank so warm, it's at that point that you shut off the main engine and just use the APU, to watch the sparkle leave their eyes. Queen of Battle, indeed.
I was SOOOO excited for Nic to start talking about the tracks, and then you cut him off you bastard! I totally get it, most of the people here care about firepower
That's why the Chieftain has his own channel.
the "firepower" people watched FPSRussia. Forgotten Weapons is so much more than explosions and big noises, in my opinion
@@md_vandenberg Oh i know :)
Absolutely.
@@kineticdeath Still it's a weapons channel and video
Not so forgotten now...
I could listen to the Chieftain talk about tanks for hours and I could listen to Ian talk about guns for hours! Loving the collaborations! Would love to hear more stories from the Chieftain about his time in the Abrams and Bradley.
0:17 Jesus riding a humble donkey into Jerusalem.
“Let the one who has no tank sell his car and buy one.”
Gun Jesus
"Let he who is without sin, cast the first HEAT shell..."
Brandon: I'm the king of Russian weapons!
Ian: so cute...
Imagine how jealous he is right now. I’d be shitting bricks if one of my peers got to shoot the one of the only Russian and only 115mm gun in the US and didn’t invite me 😂
Oh yeah, all those foreign kings of phoreign weapons
Herrera will never be gun jesus.
Some half a year ago I watched a video, in which a T-62 tank gunner said that in Afghanistan he'd hit the target with the HE round; and the target was like 6.5 km ish from his position! And I believe him.
Beautiful video. Definite props to whoever mixed the sound. Really felt the cannon’s punch through my speakers. So many videos just have the mic spas out when recording large guns.
The breech moving back inside of the turret when fired is terrifying.
Prolly why the Sovs went with autoloaders in their next ventures. lol. No need to move comrades !
yeah, I can't even imagine how scary it must have been at the time to operate it from the inside during the actual combat situation. Those guys had some balls.
When that breech hits you to the knee... :D Bye knee
The whole turret rattling back and forth is more disconcerting to me. Ain't that supposed to be nice n solid to handle the what 5 ton mass?
@@aleksihamalainen9229 Not just your knee xD
Had a friend who dealt with a T55 and Centurions in the 1970s as a loader. Most everything, in his professional opinion of T55 ,was good or acceptable, but even with practice, it was a very slow reload simply because you had no room to move the shell around in fluid motions. It was move, stop, adjust, move more, stop, adjust, and eventually shell was in breech. He could reload a Centurion in as little as 4 seconds for a shot or two, but for T55, it was more like 12-15 seconds for every shot no matter where it was.
the most honest and down to earth marketing plan explained to the public, but has no negative effects for the channel because of the delivery. nice.
Awesome. I was a tanker in the Army on M60A3 and M1 family and love seeing this T-62.
For those of us who have a hard time "thinking in metric" 1700 meters per second is 5577 feet per second. For comparison a 5.56x45 round from a 20" barrel does about 3200 fps.
yuo see Ivan, when barrels is very lonk and many powder is burn for much longer than rifle, is of boolit go much more speed than the rifles. *science, Ivan. we of science tank now.*
55 grain projectile vs big bore one make a diffrence
And that's with a NINE POUND (4.36kg) projectile.
@@alun7006 63000 grain boolit
Or very simply 5 times the speed of sound
That intro....
"I'm still not Ian..." 🤣🤣
No shit, Chieftain....🤣
12:49 "Этот автомобиль меня оскорбляет! Убери это!" (That vehicle offends me remove it)
G'day Ian & Nick, Great to see you two 'gun experts' together again, having as much fun one can have with earplugs in, so to speak. You got to hand it to Nick, put him next to a tank and he'll start talking till he dehydrates; the sun goes down or until someone shouts, "Shoot!" Seriously, though, anyone who has sat through his lectures on tanks, tank warfare through the years or any of the talks he gives on military history will tell you he's a captivating speaker. Some years ago I started watching his channel and he got me hooked on all things tank. Pretty amazing because I'm an ex-RAAF type and back then we simply called tanks, "targets". Nick has taught me so much about tanks as you, Ian has taught me volumes on firearms that I've never seen or heard of before. Thank you, gentlemen. Great shooting, Ian and your 'mystery' Russian helper. Pardon me, I've got to go play WoT, see if I can buy myself a T-62... Da, da, da Cheers, BH
Ian looks like he's wearing the uniform of a Bond villain's henchman from the 1960s.
Think it's Russian, should be in one of his videos
I think it's the ballcap instead of a proper afghanka and the lack of belt that's doing that
Ha, Chieftain made that cryptic Facebook post purposefully not identifying the model Soviet tank you guys were riding and I guessed it was a 62.
Great video. I LOVE the T-62. I also love smoothbore cannons and the T-62 was the first tank in the world that was equipped with a smoothbore gun. I am from Germany and i collect large deactivated ammunition and i have 2 115mm cartridges (OF-11 and OF-18). I think you fired a OF-18 in the video. They are actually extremely rare to find in Germany so i am really thankful to have these.
Keep up the good work.
Seeing collaborations between you all is awesome. Really adds a neat dynamic to the information being displayed. Appreciate the videos ^-^
The irish bloke's pronunciation of russian is wonkier than hollywood's. Great video.
I was not prepared to have a drill in my ear today
World of tanks is super gay though
It's also because his accent is a mix of Belgian and Irish
Its ironic that ian pronounced moran just as bad.
@@JimothyLahey He speaks some French, so that's likely where the vague Belgian sound is coming from
I love how the proportions of the 115mm shell case (I'm guessing coincidentally, but still) make it look very much like a giant 7.62×54R round. Even the taper looks similar.
(Also, the cloud of dust that erupts from every surface on the outside of the tank when the 115 goes off.)
I really like these collaboration videos between you two. The things and niche's to learn are doubled and the history also is just completely amazing. Thank you for another amazing video on the Guns of the T-62 with it's history too.
If there is a running and firing 105mm M1 somewhere in the US, that definitely needs a showcase like this.
The sound of the tracks of that Soviet tank…
Imagine if you're a NATO platoon you here this and you have no AT weapons on you.. Doom
"Hello and welcome to forgotten armor. I am Ian McCollum, and I am The Chieftain Nicholas Morane, and today we'll be talking about..."
My god, that round actually dwarfs the 90mm on the M48A3 tank I served on in the USMC. The only saving grace was the M48 had a much higher rate of fire. If the main gun was properly sighted in, we had a 90% chance of a first round hit at 1800 yds, IIRC. The 50 cal in the TCs cupola had a bad habit of jamming expended links and brass thru the inadequate ejection port, which is why you see them mounted on top of the M48s in Nam... A 5200 fps 115mm round is mind numbingly awesome. Our fastest round, the DU 90mm round as I remember, had a MV of 4000 fps. I did notice that the 115mm round did not have rifling engraved on the projectile to give it the spin necessary to stabilize it. How did that work in a smooth-bore cannon? I wish you had mentioned that. Also, this gun has a bore evacuator to clear fumes from the bore. Our 90mm did not. All we had was a manual fan to pull the smoke out of the crew compartment, and hell yes it got thick in there. These tanks thankfully never faced each other in Viet Nam later in the war when the ARVN took over our tanks after we went home. They lost almost 200 M48's against the NVA because of the better Russian armor they eventually got to replace the pathetic PT 76 light amphibious tank and the deadly saggar wire-guided anti-tank rockets from Russia. The RPG 7 or antitank mines were the M48's main threat back in '68. I think every Viet Nam era American tanker thanked their lucky stars they missed seeing this one thru their gun sight ....
That DshKM on top of the turret looks absolutely terrifying.
And I looked, and behold, a steel horse. And he that sat on him was Gun Jesus. And hell followed with him
The amount of dust kicked up when the main gun fired was impressive.
Everything in the area shed a coat of dirt, not just the tank.
The rounds for this thing is just crazy. Amazing content, thank you, the crew and Nicholas very much.
Really liked the good side view when the main gun was fired, the dust jumping off from everywhere on the tank... even out of the suspension wheels to the side was impressive.
15:22 - Oddly enough, I have one of those reflecting sights that I took off of an Iraqi Type 69 in '91. The glass was pretty well cracked by a piece of shrapnel, but I also have a nearly identical one from an S-60 AA gun.
Thanks for capturing the main gun firing at so many different angles. it gives me a much better feel for how much power this sort of weapon has.
It's very clever and grim how the AK magazine storage is *behind* the shells. Because, of course, you're not going to need them until you're out of shells...
Ian, that was FANTASTIC!!!
I love how Ian improve his camera. It looks cinematic wow.
Yeah, he definitely can make some short film
The 6 views of the 115 showing was awesome. Watching the dirt just vaporize off the tank. Super cool.
"cinematic" is a swearword
Thank you Mr Presidente sir :/
Yeah, at this stage Ian is both a firearms expert and a very skilled 1-person film crew, a real renaissance man!
Ian looks like a anxious boy talking with his grandfather the chieftain. So cute
Both legends in their respective fields, both awkward in their own way. I think they're both more comfortable doing solo work, but the cool factor overcomes the (endearing) awkwardness.
Way, way back when, I played lots of hours on a Commodore 64 tank sim called 'Steel Thunder'. The silhouette of the actual T-62 is still hauntingly familiar.
Look at gunner, heat, pc. Cool tank sim that came out pretty recently
I've been considering playing WoT for quite a while... The perspective of getting more content like this has finally made me cave and download it!
Personally I think it's a pretty bad game. World of warships is great fun though.
I have heard Ian say "Выстрел" so many times in the 115mm cannon section it has burned into my mind
I've never been this early. My two favorite UA-camrs as well.
same
Well played.
All it would need to be perfect for me is lindybeige and techmoan but techmoan kind of doesn't fit in.
Amazing video. Definitely a highlight of the channel.
A great job all round Ian and Co.
Great 115mm shot capture by the cameras.
The intros to these. With the gag of finding a gun and driving it up. Is so golden xD
"Why carry your weapon when your weapon can carry you?"
lol. Poor old Ian was dying of the heat in that turret. Hefting those monster rounds couldn't have helped. hah. Cheers for the upload.
Best Two Guy's in All History!
thanks for all the camera angles on the main gun firing. Wow, nice concussion.
I loved the M4 one of these (I watched it again only a couple of days ago) and this one is equally fab!
Was surprised the Chieftain didn't mention the implications of the 115mm's "fume extraction" system on the NBC system.
I mean, it is not that hard to figure out. The system is disabled in case of NBC protection being activated.
I assumed this was pre NBC.
It seems a bad design if you protect your crew from outside gasses only to gas them inside the tank.
@@marc0523 NBC protection came about on T-55. It is not like crew cant use gun at all without the casing ejection system, also in case of NBC attack crew supposed to wear personal gas masks as well, also there is standard ventilation system, it is just not fully capable of getting rid of the gases quickly enough. Tank also has natural limit of how much it can fire without the ejection system since there is not a lot of space to put empty shell cases in the tank. Basically it is not that much of a problem considering that supposedly nukes would be going off.
@@megalamanooblol Thanks for the answer.
My only knowledge of NBC comes from computer games etc, I don't know anything about the actual mechanics of how it worked, so this was very helpful.
@@marc0523 they are usually 'positive pressure' sytems where air is drawn in through a compressor/fan system and filtered, then injected into the crew compartment and allowed to exit through orifices naturally. As long as the pressure is high enough for long enough, opening the breech to insert a shell, or the very brief opening of the spent case hatch, should not really upset the system, as the filtered air should flow OUT and naughty contamination should not flow IN. This would also help with any fumes from fired weapons by using fresh filtered air to push stale or polluted air out. I think.
28:46 That firering sound got me Goosebumps all over :D
I would be very interested to hear how they source the ammo for the main gun.
12:50
-Этот автомобиль меня оскорбляет, убери это!
-Да!
Translation is
-This vehicle offends me, remove it!
-Yes!
Other words I've picked up were воздух (air), огонь (fire) and выстрел (shot)
Спасибо. Я кроме "автомобиль" и "да" не понял ничего.
You Two have way too much fun that's plain to see, The Chieftain is such a font of knowledge on the tanks and Ian on the Machineguns
How could that 115 firing not put a smile on your face! :)
Oh how I love that we have such wide open spaces in AZ that Ian can do such a vid with credit going to Chieftain as well. Great content guys!
It strikes me that Ian n nick are a very comfortable duo .
As co hosts with a back and forth relaxed story tellers .
Which considering this is technical story telling about manufacturing of military products
With minor technical details and use details .
Yet they keep it entertaining and such a relaxed back and forth .
👍👍👍👍
If you haven't seen it yet, go to The Cheiftain's youtube- he has an hour long Q&A with Ian and it's a fantastic watch!
Collaboration of the century right here
What a treat! Cool video Ian!
Gotta run some errands but definitely watching this w/ some coffee for this rainy California weather! Sick collab!