Just ordered the Gen 3 they make, can't wait to use it. They changed the cutter head and added a brass catcher on the bottom as an accessory to grab the shavings too. Thanks for doing the review, it helped me make my decision.
@John Beige From Henderson Precision directly. They go on sale every several weeks. Add yourself to their email contact lists for what day they go on sale. Be fast on checkout, they sell out fast.
@@some_guy. it works phenomenally. Saves me a ton of time and is very consistent with results. Switching between calibers doesn't take very much time either.
My thanks to you Sam for this entire series of videos on precision reloading, excellent series. Thanks for the time and energy you devoted to this effort.
I've had my Henderson precision powered trimmer for about a year now and its awesome....... I would recommend this machine to anyone looking for a product like this... it was expensive but after using mine and seeing the results and how its built its worth it in my book.... great video man thanks for sharing the information. Also I think its worth mentioning that dealing with Henderson precision customer service was awesome you dont find that very often wouldn't bullshit ya just saying
I agree...I’m in the researching phase now and the the cost I didn’t even bat an eye at it..everyone’s different in that aspect. I just look for quality and if it makes life easier I’m in. I’m going to get this or the giraud like I said just researching a bit for now.
Looks like a great machine. At this point in my reloading I would rather buy another gun for that money but I can definitely see how someone that reloads the volume you do or more it would almost be a must have. Thanks for sharing.
That's the best piece of gear I've seen for trimming brass. It just needs a micrometer type adjustment stop and some type of guard retaining system besides a screw.
That sure looks like a really sweet machine! A real time saver for sure. And good advice, buy the expensive tools when you're young and you can get a lifetime of use from them. And quality tools will make you look good! Nice review too!
James Owens ~ just saw your comment. I still have it and love it. I am so use to getting burnt but it is nice to spend money on something that makes you feel good about it. I can recommend it with no problem! Caliber change are easy and not having to adjust the blades is best part of all.../
I miss Sam & Jake! Hope all is good with the family. I also realize your video’s are not easy and are very time consuming to produce, but you are good at it my friend. Your very educational, and who doesn’t like watching Jake being on target. Send it!!!
Thanks for that detailled review, it answered a lot of newbie questions ;-) Bought it a couple of weeks ago after watching your review the first time... This great piece of fine machinery saves a ton of time really cuts surprisingly accurate. Thumbs up for you and Todd Hendersons cutter
Picked one up at an estate sale. Nothing but good to say about it! I loved my classic manual trimmer but this thing takes the cake. Fantastic review New sub!
I like the horizontal setup to keep the chips out of the collet. I use the Forster Power Case Trimmer in a drill press with he Forster three way cutter head. You do need a drill press with a relatable depth stop.
People crying about the price. It’s a one-time purchase. Case trimming, deburring is done and they are consistent, and quick. Game over on trimming. How much did you sink into rifles, scopes, cases, targets, on and on and on. I’ll be considering one soon (after I sell my truck to get it - hah)
Great video. Very informative. This sold me. I'm on their waiting list. I told Todd this video is why I am placing an order. Thanks for sharing. Your videos are always nicely detailed.
For the price the machine should have a micrometer for setting the trim-to length and some type of tray for catching shavings. Overall it looks like a good machine but I can buy almost ten Giraud caliber conversion for the price difference between the two machines.
Recently bought the le wilson trimmer and love it. Super accurate cuts everytime. If i shot the volume that i assume you do this would most likely be in my tool box.
Nice man. I just bought the Lyman case trim express. The new one. I haven’t received it yet. I might do my first UA-cam video and do a review on it. It was only $135. I already have a brass boss to de burr and chamf. I always clean the primer pocket and brush the necks so having a trimmer that does all 3 isn’t a big deal in my case but That’s a cool machine. I’m sure I’ll change my mind after doing it for 20 years.. Great video.
Cedars Gear ya I saw it. I think he was using sized cases and non sized cases because he was getting a huge variation in length after trimming. So I think I’m going to size them and make sure they are the same length using a head space gauge then trim to see how accurate the trimmer is.
Sam, I have been loading for 50+ years and have tried pretty much everything in reloading. I also have one of the Forester trim dies but mine was purchased from Herter"s and marked as such. What I remember most about that system was that any deviation in the case rim would keep the case from bottoming out completely in the collet so I got wild deviations in OAL in my trimmed cases due to extractor/ejector or just rough handling from concrete floors.
missing your great vids and info, you really need to wake up and make more of your great stuff, if you are so inclined, if not thanks for all the info and good work, very much appreciated. Hoping to see something in the near future :) Great job m8.
Easy adjustment: Measure the case, run it up against the cutter & however many thou you need to take off is simply calculated as fractions of a turn of the screw. At 20tpi pitch, one full turn in removes 0.050" & a quarter turn is 0.0125". It's pretty easy to get within 0.005 first shot this way. Oh & back in November, I ran 3,000 7.62x51 through a Frankford Arsenal case trim & prep centre. Whilst it did the job accurately enough, holding the case was a chore & each case took three moves to three stations on the machine (trim, chamfer, deburr). This would make the task much easier but I'm too flippin' old to get my money's worth from what looks like a great tool.
I remember when I was shopping for quality cutter I saw Henderson 1st gen and I think it was round $250 at the time and I was drooling but it was too much for me but $739 that's definitely out of my price range but the trimmer looks like work of art and I am sure its worth it to someone. I would pick up a dozen of these screws from hardware store for each cartridge and lock the length setting with the 2nd nut that way when you change the bolt there is no chance it would shift. I have been using RCBS 3 way trimmer head but it scratches the neck inside, I'll need to try this Forester head, I like the fact that it has carbide blades.
Love the machine. For adjusting seems the quickest way to get what you want would be to measure the case say it's 2.005 and you want 2.000, make the case touch the cutter blades then put a feeler gauge with .005 and put it between the stop screw and the handle and back the stop screw out till it touches the feeler gauge. Then when the feeler gauge is removed it in theory would be perfect and cut the case to desired length.
I have had really good luck with my frankford arsenal trimmer. I'm sure this is a little better but I got mine for 175 a few years back when they come out.
Nothing to do with this video but when is the "see you next time" going to be? Hope all is good with you and your family, just miss your great explanations of various things. If you are not coming back I would like to thank you for all your efforts and great explanations to us out there. Greetings from Iceland and again thank you for sharing. Peace :)
Idk as much as most reloaded on this subject, but wouldn't some sort of micrometer be alot more efficient than the bolt with the nut? With small amount of reloading I have done, I have found that all the trial and error can cost me sooooooooo much time. Like I said before, I am far from an expert, but for 800 dollars I think that particular thing could be improved. Other than that, the tool looks awesome.
Very nice machine. Looks like a great time saver for volume reloaders. Not something I'd get due to price and small amounts of reloading that I do. Definitely seems worth it when time is a consideration though.
Sam, I appreciate your time and effort on your video series. I have learned so much. It's been 3 years since you reviewed the Henderson Precision Gen II Powered Case Trimmer. In 2022 Is it a worthwhile investment? I am looking to save time while achieving consistent results.Thank you.
I was reading the comments below... And for me personally I don't think it's a bad price for that product at all. I can't afford this... But if I could I would definitely pick one up. I have the very base set of equipment to do reloading and most of its by hand and yes it's a big pain in the butt.... But I still enjoy it. There is something very satisfying out of making your own bullets. One thing I can say about us guys that reload.... It's a labor of love otherwise we wouldn't do it. 98% of the guys that I talk to at the range wish they knew how to do it. I always tell them to buy a manual spend $1,000 on the very basic equipment that you would need... And give it a shot. It's a lot of trial and error and sometimes it's right out frustrating in the beginning....but once you get the hang of it and get a groove in what you're doing it gets easier. But it's definitely not for everyone. It's for guys that really pay attention to detail. The other question I get asked a lot is...Is it dangerous? Yes there's a certain amount of danger in reloading. You have to be focused on what you're doing. You are dealing with gunpowder. It does help to have a Hands-On teacher when you first get started.
The one thing that stopped me on buying one of these was the availability of various calibre cutting heads at the time, Henderson has remedied that issue, but, they're not cheap either, when you need 7 or 8 of them. They are adjustable and the pilot can be changed out, but it is a very fussy and painstaking project. Wilson was the same issue, with availability of case holders for some oddball cartridges I have, also that issue exists for me, with Giraud. If I am spending this kind of money on a trimmer, I want to able to use it with every cartridge I own, or did own, or might own. Great idea, nicely made, but for me, no go.
@@PanhandlePrecision I needed .22, 6.5, 7mm, 30cal, 338 and .410, at the time I looked at it, the 3 way cutters weren't available from Forster for all of them, and Henderson didn't offer them all, at the time, as a custom build. And by the time I bought all the cutters, that put it at about 1300 Cdn + frt + tax. I bought a Hornady trim/prep ctr instead, ended up at 750.00 or so, and it was an all in one unit. Even with the Henderson I'd still be doing primer pockets separately. I had to buy one shellholder for the Hornady. It's slower, but, it does what's needed in a convenient enough fashion. Had the same sort of issue with a Wilson and Giraud in extra pcs needing to be purchased, which weren't available or custom build because of the cartridges, not calibres. Hazards of owning some oddball stuff.
@@toddb930 Giraud is $200 less and works similar. For $740 it should have a micrometer length adjustment, not a cap screw from Lowe's with coarse threads.
Sam, off topic question but I was wondering what you do with your actions in your McMillan Stocks. Do you typically bed the action or do you just bump it up to the lung and cinch it down tight? Thanks.
So, after prepping 200 cases, and I have about 400 more to do.... I said screw it and bought this and all the cutters for it... expensive for sure, but it will save time and I don’t have a lot of that.
So when you screw in the handle to tighten the collet, do you have to make sure you turn it to the exact same amount of rotation? If the case head is slightly smaller and you have to turn the handle slightly more to tighten the collet does it not push the case further toward the cutting head and therefore shorten the case?
How does it chamfer/debur properly if the cases for the different calibers are different thicknesses at the neck? Wouldn't you have to adjust the cutter to account for that?
Hey Sam, this is totally of topic but I was wondering what kind of throat erosion rate do you get with you 260/6.5s. I measured my 6.5CM yesterday (750ish rounds) and got 30 thou. Does that seem normal or excessive? The gun shoots great, I was just wondering. Thanks for all you do. Yours is one of the last good shooting/reloading channels left.
That seems like a lot for 750 rounds. Jake's 260 barrel hasn't even moved in 1100 rounds. My 260 last year burned .040" in 2200 rounds. 260 Terminator the same in 1400 rounds. My 300WM moved .010" in 1038 rounds.
@@PanhandlePrecision ok thanks for the fast reply, ill remeasure tonight just to double check. I may have not got the shoulder of the chamber clean enough.
Great video. I started trimming 300winmag once fired & trimmed to 2.610" and they all came nice & square. Then I Full length sized some new brass & thought I'd try trimming them to 2.614" & now they trim at an angle. One side measures 2.610" & the other is 2.614"-2.615" I tried shortening it back to 2.610", but it still trims at an angle, 2.609" on one side & 2.613" on the other. The stop bolt is at an angle to the handle, so not sure if it's that & putting the brass square into the collet, the brass is always at an angle to the feed nut & doesn't goes straight on like yours does. Any tips?
@@PanhandlePrecision Thanks, I did look at that, its clean. 223 brass has a very very slight angle of 0.00025 which is great. I did turn the speed all the way up & lightly tighten the brass to the collet, then when I'm over the pilot, I fully tighten like todd suggested. I'm going to try a few more different calibers to see if it's more noticeable on larger cases. Todd Henderson said he'll take care of me.
Great video and very informative. Thanks. Even though it probably won't happen I would love to see a comparison between this and the Giraud Trimmer. Also would you be able to get the same quality with a Forster trimmer and power adapter using a drill?
Hi Sam. Are u trimming the 300 brass shorter so u don't have to worry about it for a while? And does gunwerks make there own brass? Be interesting to see how that brass does if it's easy to get.
I trimmed it so I could demo a caliber change. Gunwerks does not make their own brass, but they own designed the specs and own the tooling for it. The 300WM brass is excellent: panhandleprecision.com/gunwerks-300-winchester-magnum-brass-review/
Great video! I really like your idea for the brass inserts on your work bench. Do you have a link or more information on them/where I can buy these inserts? Thanks, Jim
Does the motor have a lifetime warranty or anything on it? So say if it craps out after only 3-5 years of use they will fix it/replace it at no cost to you?
I'm using the Frankfort Arsenal universal case trimmer which includes a primer pocket uniforming tool but this system looks much better. Im just wondering how do you uniform your primer pockets?
I heard of the 338 edge but never heard at 338 edge plus P, If I heard that Correctly.. And what press do you use on your 338 , And what kind of set up is it, action, barrel length and contour
Panhandle Precision I am very grateful for your excellent videos, especially because you focus on long range precision. Given YT’s bent and shenanigans, I hope there will be a place where we can continue to access your content if something ever does happen. There are other options. I don’t create content, so I don’t pretend to know all the pros and cons of various platforms or publishing to more than one. I was just curious because a lot of other related content was taken down. Cheers
For that kind of money you should be able to at least get a tray to catch shavings as well as a way to mount the unit. Very good idea looks quality built just a couple of little things need to be added to make it perfect.
Niklas Markussen Yes. Size, then trim. If you can’t fit a sized neck over the pilot, you’re sizing the necks too far. The pilots are ground to be used with sized cases.
Niklas Markussen If you’re running a .30 cal with .002” neck tension, you should have plenty of clearance on the .308 pilot. Did you measure the pilot diameter?
The thing that many over look is the pilot has a lot of runout. In the end it may mean nothing but in the benchrest world many would not buy it for that reason. I have graceys and they have minor problems. I like their plan but they need to come up with a better holder than a collet and make their own heads so they run true. For the average shooter this thing would be awesome. The stop screw should be fine thrad.
Hey Sam, I have a Henderson trimmer and I have a question about the trimmer. I’m currently trimming 6mm Dasher brass with it. How can I privately contact you?
Just shot a match today and guys were talking about both, and started a heated debate. Haha Thanks for the reply, learned a lot from your videos. Cheers
Different designs: The Giraud will trim to a consistent shoulder to neck mouth length, regardless of variations in Case Base to Shoulder length. The Henderson trim to a consistent OAL (Base to Neck Mouth), which means the Shoulder to Neck length may vary. My two cents: - For precision shooting, I would say that the Giraud is superior by design (neck tension will be affected by the length of the neck being sized). However, it is not perfect and requires some manual inputs/feels for consistency. This only matters if you also try to control for everything else that will impact precision (a long list...) - Lyman also offers a cheap version of a neck to mouth powered trimmer - but I would not recommend it for precision shooting. The Lyman is not machined for precision. - Little Crow Gunworks provides very nicely built trimmer to fit to a powered drill -- you can also adapt the trimmers to the Lyman motor with an adapter. (I did before going to Giraud.) A good option to consider for volume trimming and a focus on shoulder to neck mouth trimming. - For ease of use and volume trimming, if you are not so concerned about squeezing out everything that affects accuracy , it looks like the Henderson is a very nice machine for a relatively effortless use. For the price however, I think the Little Crow used with a power drill might be a better compromise between accuracy, ease of use, and price. Disclaimer: I own/use the Giraud and do not have a Henderson. I do own the Lyman and the Little Crow, which I no longer use. I based this comment from my experience with Giraud/Lyman/Little Crow and from this video on the Henderson.
Great product, but their price is absolutely crazy. Just $340 for the motor alone. I’d pay 400 for both of these together, but $740 total is pure craziness. Plus you have to get the carbide cutters that cost $70 each!
Panhandle Precision Per year, around a few thousand and for 5 different calibers. Currently with the Hornady case trimmer. I’d buy this in a heartbeat if it were being reasonably priced.
If you want to motorized your case trimmer, find an old sewing machine with the pedal. Just use that. Those motors are designed for high torque at low rpm. I found a great Sears sewing machine in superb condition for $50.00 and with a little imagination I am in. Cheap, powerful, with Sears parts still available. DONE. Remember, the best place to be is IN. you don’t even need to remember her name. 🤠
It looks worse than it is. Yes, the shavings drop into the bin with the brass, but when I pour the brass back into the trays I use, the shavings stay in the bottom of the bin. I just trimmed 152 pieces of 260 Rem brass, then poured them into a tray. When I primed them, I only found two small pieces of shavings in the tray.
Just ordered the Gen 3 they make, can't wait to use it. They changed the cutter head and added a brass catcher on the bottom as an accessory to grab the shavings too.
Thanks for doing the review, it helped me make my decision.
@John Beige From Henderson Precision directly. They go on sale every several weeks. Add yourself to their email contact lists for what day they go on sale. Be fast on checkout, they sell out fast.
How'd it go?
@@some_guy. it works phenomenally. Saves me a ton of time and is very consistent with results. Switching between calibers doesn't take very much time either.
My wife is going to make me stop watching your channel. Now I have to have one of these. Thanks a lot Sam. (-:
I was on the fence with which one to purchase. Your review helped me decide and I let them know that when I ordered it. Thanks.
My thanks to you Sam for this entire series of videos on precision reloading, excellent series. Thanks for the time and energy you devoted to this effort.
I've had my Henderson precision powered trimmer for about a year now and its awesome....... I would recommend this machine to anyone looking for a product like this... it was expensive but after using mine and seeing the results and how its built its worth it in my book.... great video man thanks for sharing the information. Also I think its worth mentioning that dealing with Henderson precision customer service was awesome you dont find that very often wouldn't bullshit ya just saying
I agree...I’m in the researching phase now and the the cost I didn’t even bat an eye at it..everyone’s different in that aspect. I just look for quality and if it makes life easier I’m in. I’m going to get this or the giraud like I said just researching a bit for now.
@@coupesix It's been a year since your post. Just curious, did you make the investment? If so, are you happy with it?
Looks like a great machine. At this point in my reloading I would rather buy another gun for that money but I can definitely see how someone that reloads the volume you do or more it would almost be a must have. Thanks for sharing.
That's the best piece of gear I've seen for trimming brass. It just needs a micrometer type adjustment stop and some type of guard retaining system besides a screw.
Thanks for all the great information and videos well done. Excited to receive my trimmer from Henderson.
Hope you start uploading again! I have a 260 Remington that I’m having a hard time with but also just enjoy your precise information!
That sure looks like a really sweet machine! A real time saver for sure. And good advice, buy the expensive tools when you're young and you can get a lifetime of use from them. And quality tools will make you look good!
Nice review too!
I set mine up and used it for the first time tonight and any regrets I have over cost we’re gone immediately! My Giraud and Gracey are up for sale!
Hey you still love the Henderson?
James Owens ~ just saw your comment. I still have it and love it. I am so use to getting burnt but it is nice to spend money on something that makes you feel good about it. I can recommend it with no problem! Caliber change are easy and not having to adjust the blades is best part of all.../
Great to hear, just ordered one! Definately the best I could find out there
I miss Sam & Jake! Hope all is good with the family. I also realize your video’s are not easy and are very time consuming to produce, but you are good at it my friend. Your very educational, and who doesn’t like watching Jake being on target. Send it!!!
Thanks for that detailled review, it answered a lot of newbie questions ;-) Bought it a couple of weeks ago after watching your review the first time...
This great piece of fine machinery saves a ton of time really cuts surprisingly accurate. Thumbs up for you and Todd Hendersons cutter
Picked one up at an estate sale. Nothing but good to say about it!
I loved my classic manual trimmer but this thing takes the cake.
Fantastic review
New sub!
Hi Sam. I have not seen any videos from you in a long time. I hope all is well. Looking forward to your next video.
awesome video, thanks for making these, they are sooo helpful and well shot.
I like the horizontal setup to keep the chips out of the collet. I use the Forster Power Case Trimmer in a drill press with he Forster three way cutter head. You do need a drill press with a relatable depth stop.
Another great review and quality product. A little rich for my blood but you can't hold that against Sam.
People crying about the price. It’s a one-time purchase. Case trimming, deburring is done and they are consistent, and quick. Game over on trimming. How much did you sink into rifles, scopes, cases, targets, on and on and on. I’ll be considering one soon (after I sell my truck to get it - hah)
Great video. Very informative. This sold me. I'm on their waiting list. I told Todd this video is why I am placing an order. Thanks for sharing. Your videos are always nicely detailed.
Best damn channel period!
Very thorough Sam - great job .
Sure is a fine machine .
For the price the machine should have a micrometer for setting the trim-to length and some type of tray for catching shavings. Overall it looks like a good machine but I can buy almost ten Giraud caliber conversion for the price difference between the two machines.
Agreed. Looks like a great machine, but entirely too expensive.
I was ready to buy it......I choked on the price. WoW!
Yes exactly my thoughts too.
Thanks for all the detail in this review! This actually makes a good instructional video on how to use this machine/tool.
Recently bought the le wilson trimmer and love it. Super accurate cuts everytime. If i shot the volume that i assume you do this would most likely be in my tool box.
The Wilson trimmer is an excellent tool.
Nice man. I just bought the Lyman case trim express. The new one. I haven’t received it yet. I might do my first UA-cam video and do a review on it. It was only $135. I already have a brass boss to de burr and chamf. I always clean the primer pocket and brush the necks so having a trimmer that does all 3 isn’t a big deal in my case but That’s a cool machine. I’m sure I’ll change my mind after doing it for 20 years.. Great video.
Have you seen Gavin tube (ultimate reloader) review on it?
Cedars Gear ya I saw it. I think he was using sized cases and non sized cases because he was getting a huge variation in length after trimming. So I think I’m going to size them and make sure they are the same length using a head space gauge then trim to see how accurate the trimmer is.
That looks like a very high quality piece of equipment
Sam, I have been loading for 50+ years and have tried pretty much everything in reloading. I also have one of the Forester trim dies but mine was purchased from Herter"s and marked as such. What I remember most about that system was that any deviation in the case rim would keep the case from bottoming out completely in the collet so I got wild deviations in OAL in my trimmed cases due to extractor/ejector or just rough handling from concrete floors.
Great video. I am considering buying one.
I just got a Lyman trimmer and it is Awesome.
Worth every penny and then some!
Little pricey but, I have to say WOW. Looks like a lifetime tool. Thanks for sharing.
Nice video thanks, I would get a thumb screw for that shield...
Looks like a nicely engineered product.
missing your great vids and info, you really need to wake up and make more of your great stuff, if you are so inclined, if not thanks for all the info and good work, very much appreciated. Hoping to see something in the near future :) Great job m8.
Easy adjustment: Measure the case, run it up against the cutter & however many thou you need to take off is simply calculated as fractions of a turn of the screw. At 20tpi pitch, one full turn in removes 0.050" & a quarter turn is 0.0125". It's pretty easy to get within 0.005 first shot this way.
Oh & back in November, I ran 3,000 7.62x51 through a Frankford Arsenal case trim & prep centre. Whilst it did the job accurately enough, holding the case was a chore & each case took three moves to three stations on the machine (trim, chamfer, deburr). This would make the task much easier but I'm too flippin' old to get my money's worth from what looks like a great tool.
I remember when I was shopping for quality cutter I saw Henderson 1st gen and I think it was round $250 at the time and I was drooling but it was too much for me but $739 that's definitely out of my price range but the trimmer looks like work of art and I am sure its worth it to someone. I would pick up a dozen of these screws from hardware store for each cartridge and lock the length setting with the 2nd nut that way when you change the bolt there is no chance it would shift. I have been using RCBS 3 way trimmer head but it scratches the neck inside, I'll need to try this Forester head, I like the fact that it has carbide blades.
Love the machine. For adjusting seems the quickest way to get what you want would be to measure the case say it's 2.005 and you want 2.000, make the case touch the cutter blades then put a feeler gauge with .005 and put it between the stop screw and the handle and back the stop screw out till it touches the feeler gauge. Then when the feeler gauge is removed it in theory would be perfect and cut the case to desired length.
I like the info you put out it is very helpful, & Informative
I have had really good luck with my frankford arsenal trimmer. I'm sure this is a little better but I got mine for 175 a few years back when they come out.
Great post. Thanks for doing this.
Wished I could find one in stock!
Nothing to do with this video but when is the "see you next time" going to be? Hope all is good with you and your family, just miss your great explanations of various things. If you are not coming back I would like to thank you for all your efforts and great explanations to us out there. Greetings from Iceland and again thank you for sharing. Peace :)
Soon.
@@PanhandlePrecision Great to hear and so very glad to know all is well :)
Idk as much as most reloaded on this subject, but wouldn't some sort of micrometer be alot more efficient than the bolt with the nut? With small amount of reloading I have done, I have found that all the trial and error can cost me sooooooooo much time.
Like I said before, I am far from an expert, but for 800 dollars I think that particular thing could be improved. Other than that, the tool looks awesome.
Very nice machine. Looks like a great time saver for volume reloaders. Not something I'd get due to price and small amounts of reloading that I do. Definitely seems worth it when time is a consideration though.
Sam, I appreciate your time and effort on your video series. I have learned so much. It's been 3 years since you reviewed the Henderson Precision Gen II Powered Case Trimmer. In 2022 Is it a worthwhile investment? I am looking to save time while achieving consistent results.Thank you.
I was reading the comments below... And for me personally I don't think it's a bad price for that product at all. I can't afford this... But if I could I would definitely pick one up. I have the very base set of equipment to do reloading and most of its by hand and yes it's a big pain in the butt.... But I still enjoy it. There is something very satisfying out of making your own bullets.
One thing I can say about us guys that reload.... It's a labor of love otherwise we wouldn't do it. 98% of the guys that I talk to at the range wish they knew how to do it. I always tell them to buy a manual spend $1,000 on the very basic equipment that you would need... And give it a shot. It's a lot of trial and error and sometimes it's right out frustrating in the beginning....but once you get the hang of it and get a groove in what you're doing it gets easier. But it's definitely not for everyone. It's for guys that really pay attention to detail.
The other question I get asked a lot is...Is it dangerous?
Yes there's a certain amount of danger in reloading. You have to be focused on what you're doing. You are dealing with gunpowder.
It does help to have a Hands-On teacher when you first get started.
john harvey Great comment. Thanks!
Very nice product and video. Wish I had known the prize before I Teased myself for 41 minutes.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
The one thing that stopped me on buying one of these was the availability of various calibre cutting heads at the time, Henderson has remedied that issue, but, they're not cheap either, when you need 7 or 8 of them. They are adjustable and the pilot can be changed out, but it is a very fussy and painstaking project. Wilson was the same issue, with availability of case holders for some oddball cartridges I have, also that issue exists for me, with Giraud. If I am spending this kind of money on a trimmer, I want to able to use it with every cartridge I own, or did own, or might own. Great idea, nicely made, but for me, no go.
Dave Collins What cartridge wouldn’t work with this trimmer? I can change caliber, cartridge head, and length in less than two minutes.
@@PanhandlePrecision I needed .22, 6.5, 7mm, 30cal, 338 and .410, at the time I looked at it, the 3 way cutters weren't available from Forster for all of them, and Henderson didn't offer them all, at the time, as a custom build. And by the time I bought all the cutters, that put it at about 1300 Cdn + frt + tax. I bought a Hornady trim/prep ctr instead, ended up at 750.00 or so, and it was an all in one unit. Even with the Henderson I'd still be doing primer pockets separately. I had to buy one shellholder for the Hornady. It's slower, but, it does what's needed in a convenient enough fashion. Had the same sort of issue with a Wilson and Giraud in extra pcs needing to be purchased, which weren't available or custom build because of the cartridges, not calibres. Hazards of owning some oddball stuff.
Just ordered the unit without the motor for $399. I can’t to finally not hate brass prep haha
Not for 739.00 bucks.... another great piece of equipment that had a substantial price tag that most will not pay.
If you're a high volume rifle shooter this can be a BIG time saver. Then it's a matter of deciding how much your time is worth.
$739.00? There’s no way that should cost more than $300.00. Over 300 bucks for a motor? Give me a break. I’ll stick with my 1200 and my Little Crow.
@@rossvanderpoel3907 Build one just like it for $300 and I'll buy it from you.
@@toddb930 Giraud is $200 less and works similar. For $740 it should have a micrometer length adjustment, not a cap screw from Lowe's with coarse threads.
Check out the gracey trimmer.... it’s the original of all these copycats, been around for years too
Please get more videos up!
you could put a tray below the cutter to catch the falling debris from the cutter
The small Berger Bullet plastic box fits exactly under the cutter! Awesome cutter!
Sam, off topic question but I was wondering what you do with your actions in your McMillan Stocks. Do you typically bed the action or do you just bump it up to the lung and cinch it down tight? Thanks.
So, after prepping 200 cases, and I have about 400 more to do.... I said screw it and bought this and all the cutters for it... expensive for sure, but it will save time and I don’t have a lot of that.
Must not be priced too bad, they're sold out. Now I need one of these, a AMP annealing machine and a A&D scale.
Only pretty close to $500 for Gen 3. I'll be using my Wilson trimmer for a while, or at least until I can buy powder, primers, and bullets again.
So when you screw in the handle to tighten the collet, do you have to make sure you turn it to the exact same amount of rotation? If the case head is slightly smaller and you have to turn the handle slightly more to tighten the collet does it not push the case further toward the cutting head and therefore shorten the case?
No. The case head is backstopped by the collet.
How does it chamfer/debur properly if the cases for the different calibers are different thicknesses at the neck? Wouldn't you have to adjust the cutter to account for that?
looks like a great tool but i think it is too expensive, thanks for the review
I did not hear the mention of a collet that would grip 5.7x28 brass.
.....im looking at the lyman unit $164. midway , but id still deburr and chamfer on my drill press. My Gracy is getting a little old.
Hey Sam, this is totally of topic but I was wondering what kind of throat erosion rate do you get with you 260/6.5s. I measured my 6.5CM yesterday (750ish rounds) and got 30 thou. Does that seem normal or excessive? The gun shoots great, I was just wondering. Thanks for all you do. Yours is one of the last good shooting/reloading channels left.
That seems like a lot for 750 rounds. Jake's 260 barrel hasn't even moved in 1100 rounds. My 260 last year burned .040" in 2200 rounds. 260 Terminator the same in 1400 rounds. My 300WM moved .010" in 1038 rounds.
@@PanhandlePrecision ok thanks for the fast reply, ill remeasure tonight just to double check. I may have not got the shoulder of the chamber clean enough.
Have you tried the giraud power trimmer?
No, I haven't.
i have a giruad power case trimmer but if i was looking for another one i would be looking at the henderson.
Great video. I started trimming 300winmag once fired & trimmed to 2.610" and they all came nice & square.
Then I Full length sized some new brass & thought I'd try trimming them to 2.614" & now they trim at an angle. One side measures 2.610" & the other is 2.614"-2.615"
I tried shortening it back to 2.610", but it still trims at an angle, 2.609" on one side & 2.613" on the other.
The stop bolt is at an angle to the handle, so not sure if it's that & putting the brass square into the collet, the brass is always at an angle to the feed nut & doesn't goes straight on like yours does.
Any tips?
I’d take a hard look at the face of the collet. Maybe a chunk of brass or media keeping the case head from sitting square?
@@PanhandlePrecision Thanks, I did look at that, its clean. 223 brass has a very very slight angle of 0.00025 which is great. I did turn the speed all the way up & lightly tighten the brass to the collet, then when I'm over the pilot, I fully tighten like todd suggested.
I'm going to try a few more different calibers to see if it's more noticeable on larger cases.
Todd Henderson said he'll take care of me.
Great video and very informative. Thanks. Even though it probably won't happen I would love to see a comparison between this and the Giraud Trimmer. Also would you be able to get the same quality with a Forster trimmer and power adapter using a drill?
Hi Sam. Are u trimming the 300 brass shorter so u don't have to worry about it for a while? And does gunwerks make there own brass? Be interesting to see how that brass does if it's easy to get.
I trimmed it so I could demo a caliber change. Gunwerks does not make their own brass, but they own designed the specs and own the tooling for it. The 300WM brass is excellent: panhandleprecision.com/gunwerks-300-winchester-magnum-brass-review/
Great video! I really like your idea for the brass inserts on your work bench. Do you have a link or more information on them/where I can buy these inserts?
Thanks, Jim
Look and see if you have a Woodcraft store in your area-or look them up on line--they carry them-and so does Amazon just search for brass wood inserts
Don Davis Will do and again, great idea! Thank you sir!
I've been using the RCBS trim pro with the 3-way cutter head for a long time and it is way less expensive. I'll grant you it's a bit slower.
Sold out for now, but getting one when available.
Rob Webster they are in, mine just came. Helps if you go ahead and pony up and get in line. Took about two weeks to get it.
Better if stop adjustment had finer thread?
Does the motor have a lifetime warranty or anything on it? So say if it craps out after only 3-5 years of use they will fix it/replace it at no cost to you?
Lucas S Lifetime warranty on the trimmer, 5 years on the motor. The motor has externally accessible brushes.
I'm using the Frankfort Arsenal universal case trimmer which includes a primer pocket uniforming tool but this system looks much better. Im just wondering how do you uniform your primer pockets?
Jon I don’t.
I heard of the 338 edge but never heard at 338 edge plus P, If I heard that Correctly.. And what press do you use on your 338 , And what kind of set up is it, action, barrel length and contour
Interesting machine nice video , What set-up load testing are you doing with the 6.5x47 ?
Have you looked at or considered moving your reloading content to Full30?
BTCAsia Nope.
Panhandle Precision I am very grateful for your excellent videos, especially because you focus on long range precision. Given YT’s bent and shenanigans, I hope there will be a place where we can continue to access your content if something ever does happen. There are other options. I don’t create content, so I don’t pretend to know all the pros and cons of various platforms or publishing to more than one. I was just curious because a lot of other related content was taken down. Cheers
For the high volume folks, this is the ticket.
Hey Sam curious what would this mounting system be that you used or where could I get one like it? I wanna do the same thing
I used 1/4"-20 brass inserts screwed into the bench. Google them, or look for them in cabinetry/furniture building supply places.
@@PanhandlePrecision thanks ya I ordered some I think I went with m8x18 cause they had a red knurled know head that I liked
For that kind of money you should be able to at least get a tray to catch shavings as well as a way to mount the unit. Very good idea looks quality built just a couple of little things need to be added to make it perfect.
This is a YUGE step up from the original.
Question. If you could buy another 338 edge would it be the same one?
Hi sam
Do you size before you trim?
I cant trim after sizing because the inside of the necks becomes to tight on the pilot on the henderson trimmer.
Niklas Markussen Yes. Size, then trim. If you can’t fit a sized neck over the pilot, you’re sizing the necks too far. The pilots are ground to be used with sized cases.
Niklas Markussen If you’re running a .30 cal with .002” neck tension, you should have plenty of clearance on the .308 pilot. Did you measure the pilot diameter?
Yeah youre right i had 005" neck tention😅 i just hope my sd and es would not change when i use 002" neck tension, i had a sd of 3.0
Do you trim before or after sizing the brass?
After.
So would you size before trimming on the henderson?
Yes
The thing that many over look is the pilot has a lot of runout. In the end it may mean nothing but in the benchrest world many would not buy it for that reason. I have graceys and they have minor problems. I like their plan but they need to come up with a better holder than a collet and make their own heads so they run true. For the average shooter this thing would be awesome. The stop screw should be fine thrad.
Hey Sam, I have a Henderson trimmer and I have a question about the trimmer. I’m currently trimming 6mm Dasher brass with it. How can I privately contact you?
Where you been?
The absolute best trimmer that I have ever seen is the "Get a Jake" trimmer! Easiest trimmer I have ever seen used!! HaHa LOL ....
but you do have to adjust it everytime you change length of cartridge.
This or giraud? Thoughts
This is what I have and I'm happy with it, so this.
Just shot a match today and guys were talking about both, and started a heated debate. Haha
Thanks for the reply, learned a lot from your videos. Cheers
Different designs:
The Giraud will trim to a consistent shoulder to neck mouth length, regardless of variations in Case Base to Shoulder length. The Henderson trim to a consistent OAL (Base to Neck Mouth), which means the Shoulder to Neck length may vary.
My two cents:
- For precision shooting, I would say that the Giraud is superior by design (neck tension will be affected by the length of the neck being sized). However, it is not perfect and requires some manual inputs/feels for consistency. This only matters if you also try to control for everything else that will impact precision (a long list...)
- Lyman also offers a cheap version of a neck to mouth powered trimmer - but I would not recommend it for precision shooting. The Lyman is not machined for precision.
- Little Crow Gunworks provides very nicely built trimmer to fit to a powered drill -- you can also adapt the trimmers to the Lyman motor with an adapter. (I did before going to Giraud.) A good option to consider for volume trimming and a focus on shoulder to neck mouth trimming.
- For ease of use and volume trimming, if you are not so concerned about squeezing out everything that affects accuracy , it looks like the Henderson is a very nice machine for a relatively effortless use.
For the price however, I think the Little Crow used with a power drill might be a better compromise between accuracy, ease of use, and price.
Disclaimer: I own/use the Giraud and do not have a Henderson. I do own the Lyman and the Little Crow, which I no longer use. I based this comment from my experience with Giraud/Lyman/Little Crow and from this video on the Henderson.
@@Eric-qu3ht thanks man, I appreciate it. I have been in line for a giraud for about 6 months
That's pretty slick, I agree, But I can buy alota brass for $700+ bucks🙄
Great product, but their price is absolutely crazy. Just $340 for the motor alone. I’d pay 400 for both of these together, but $740 total is pure craziness. Plus you have to get the carbide cutters that cost $70 each!
Jonathan thornton What trimmer are you using now, and how many cases do you trim in a year?
Panhandle Precision Per year, around a few thousand and for 5 different calibers. Currently with the Hornady case trimmer. I’d buy this in a heartbeat if it were being reasonably priced.
If you want to motorized your case trimmer, find an old sewing machine with the pedal. Just use that. Those motors are designed for high torque at low rpm. I found a great Sears sewing machine in superb condition for $50.00 and with a little imagination I am in. Cheap, powerful, with Sears parts still available. DONE. Remember, the best place to be is IN. you don’t even need to remember her name. 🤠
That damn stop screw needs a micrometer! looks cool but quite pricey as well!
aww man. i work so hard and im still too poor to afford nice things like this. back to cranking by hand for me.
Check out the original mass production trimmer, the GRACEY trimmer. Half the price and just as fast
Great machine! Now if they can only manage a micrometer adjuster for the legnth !!!
Bet you could swap that safety guard screw to a thumb screw.
looks like it drops the trimmings all over your brass
It looks worse than it is. Yes, the shavings drop into the bin with the brass, but when I pour the brass back into the trays I use, the shavings stay in the bottom of the bin. I just trimmed 152 pieces of 260 Rem brass, then poured them into a tray. When I primed them, I only found two small pieces of shavings in the tray.