I love Epirus. It's one of the only Hellenic factions that has elephants. Their pikes and shock cav aren't a joke either. Definitely one of the more difficult factions to start with though, I've had to restart my campaign more than 10 times before I got the ball rolling. Through some luck, maneuvering, and diplomacy, I was able to stop the war with Syracuse and Athens and make them my defensive allies, destroy Sparta and Rhodes, then let Syracuse be destroyed by Rome before making Rome my client bitch. Currently I'm trading with about 75% of every other faction and 50% are allies. Again, very hard starting position but it is doable. The world will bend knee to Pyrrhus.
Freddie Mercury same marched to athens destroyd their army in the field, right as i was going to siege the city, two spartan armys decimted my depleted army, Phyrrus fell that day:(
Illyrian Levies do have precursor javelins - get them in the rear of engaged infantry and they can do work. Agrianian Axemen need to be a melee unit first and a skirmish unit second - 120 men per unit, dense formation like Karian Axemen. That would raise Epiruses capabilities significantly. Totally agree on Shield Wall for Samnites. They are underwhelming.
i use Levies as a screening force mostly myself, let a Barb Sword Line Hit em (protect them with Slingers to keep them alive from slingers/archers) and then move your foot troops in as soon as they get charged so you deny them a charge on your guys.
Matt Foster I have done terrible things no man should do and seen things no man should see in the darkest, dankest, Doritoest corners of the Rome 2 database.
Hey Heir!! You should do formation focus, different formations with variations of different armies (sword spams, skirmisher heavy armies, and cavalry heavy armies). Love the vids!
I'm starting to notice a bit of an interesting pattern here that barbarian swords are so OP in the "end game" patches of Rome 2. In the beginning it was the cultured factions such as Rome and the Hellenic factions including Egypt and Baktria, but now that Atilla AKA the Barbarian Invasion of Rome 2 is coming out... I mean do you see where I'm getting at here...
war dogs, i use them to 1. deal with Meatshield men, and 2. they just get right in the way if a Unit tries to charge (since they can inflict some damage and trying to walk through/run through them hurts the unit)
I like Epirus, its one of my favorite factions in Rome 2 although they sucked originally when they came out before the roster boost. Regardless their got good all round units in my opinion and before elephants got nerfed it was always a pleasure bringing them in a battle to an unexpected person who had no idea that any greek state could use them :D
Epirote seem to be a fan favourite amongst players with a interest in ancient history without a focus on Rome, I know I like them a lot. I was surprised when I played Europa Barbarorum and this new hellenistic kingdom popped up on the map fitting perfectly in between Rome and Makedonia. They have this nice mix of hellenistic, illyrian and italian troops. Seems like the Thorakitai is missing from their Rome 2 roster unfortunately, they were awesome in EB & EB 2. Hellenistic Legionaries with spears. They don't have any Hypastistai either? No Shield Bearers? I notice a lack of quality heavy infantry. :/
+angelowl89 Have to say that I strongly prefer factions with a rich diversity of units that allow different playstyles. Although sometimes an overspecialized faction can be interesting as well, the Sweboz/Suebi seem really fun in Rome 2 since they got all the extra units.
UA-cam isn't a zero sum game, or at least the way that Heir and the TW UA-cam community seems to operate. It's great to see all the differing opinions and ideas.
Is it just me or do Socii Extraordinarii have the exact same stats as Mercenary Samnite Warrior? I've noticed that it's true for Merc Italian cav/Socii Equites and Merc Italian swords/Socii Hastati so it wouldn't surprise me that much I suppose.
I find it weird that Royal Peltasts and Hellenic Royal Guard cost more or almost as much as Hellenic Royal Cavalry. Weren't cavalry units always more expensive than infantry historically?
In the most cases, training cavalry troops was much more expensive than raising footmen. In this particular case, i assume the Royal Guards and Royal Peltasts were armed by the Royal Armory instead of using their own equipment, which leads to a massive cost increase. Furthermore i think of them as a standing army, while hoplites were taken under arms only in war times. There is also a huge difference in the amount of men serving in each troop, which explains maintenance differences, for example in wages.
I had a game where I was playing against a guy using one of the all cavalry factions and had an army of just lancers. I had one unit of levy pikes and just kinda set them out in front of the rest of my army and put them in phalanx and they ended up getting over 100 kills just out there by themselves with no support from other units haha, my opponent kinda just charged his calvary straight at me and didn't micro much it seemed but they can be useful then haha
i think if i see many more of these video's where my favourite faction (Rome) is slaughtered then my heart might actually break (a bit melodramatic but oh well). They also have me questioning if Rome's even a power faction any more.
I thought the Seleucids or Massilia cause they have decent melee infantry compared to Bactria.If Pontus was considered hellenic faction as it should be i would go with Pontus.My personal favourite is Epirus tho.
Sparta has a great army though it can be predictable. It's very underrated by most (but overrated by newbies). Athens is also very underrated too, and Egypt is good. But my personal favourite is Sparta (not because of the 300 movie its bullshit)
HeirofCarthage btw pikes are not useless. u just need to know when to active the pike formation or not.some let the pikes active since the start of the game! thats bad
I did my own comparison with creten archers and cimerian heavy archers and the cretens won it 8 out of the 10 times, i played both factions 10 times each to make it fair.
they need to have more expensive pikes handle their pikes better, like put their spears down faster, and the phalanx should increase the chance to deflect missiles
Priximus225 Heir is probably going to do them last or later than all the other factions. To quote his exact words on the previous Epirus FF, "Yeah, I mean, I may have a *Slight* bias towards them."
The Roman player was such a noob. Painful to watch. What a waste of cav, plus charging spears with Triarii? And to top it all off his legionaries didnt get off a volley....they just walked into the charge.
5:42 "[...] if you are playing on a map that offers a choke-point; *_such as maybe a siege-battle or something like that_* [...]" - something like that? - what else is there! - and don't bother mentioning the handful of rivers that often offer multiple crossings at once... Most of Rome 2 maps are totally blant. They don't offer any bit of interesting terrain in which to utilize some holding-out power of units like pikes. On the other end of the spectrum, horse-heavy factions get the shaft, too (btw.: the Macedons (which includes Epirus) were famous for their cavalry; I don't get it why poor horse-civilizations like Rome get anywhere near that; it's ridiculous!); a people like parthia badly suffers from a "go for a casualty-rich draw" sort of option for battles; attack, kill as much as makes sense military-wise and retreat to keep all your forces for the next round - then rince + repeat. That's how Parthia for instance hampered Roman troops hard. But when you have a chain on your leg saying "you have to fight this out till the bitter end", having lower numbers + being restricted to horses only (which can be countered with a variety of units) you are basically screwed (unless they add, as they do, a lot of unusual foot-units to mildly atone for that sort of thing) Imagine a TW-Rome2 where different peoples would have different options of how to engage + end a battle. Suddenly balance wouldn't depend solely on complete rosters. You wouldn't need to give barbarians access to siege-weapons or any nonsense like that (ridiculous!) because they could hit you hard with guerilla-tactics (+ big unit sizes in horde-formations)! (note: it should also depend on the region; germans for instance should be able to retreat faster into woods, whilst step-factions would have that benefit in open terrain (because: horses)) - it could make the game so much more interesting and diversified... and finally give us some terrain with which to work with. having up and down slopes here and there, and a rock at some rare occasion just doesn't cut it when it comes to interesting, diversified battle-sites...un-do the whole, annoying dumbing-down of what should be a very demanding, tactically focused game! Speaking of which: can anyone see on first glance, what region a certain map is in? - they all look the same... no matter if you are fighting in some notoriously rocky region or not. It's all one blend of boringness...
you missed the perfect chance to get a Pyrrhic victory.
I have been watching you for two years and seen hundreds of your videos and now I've finally learned your name. Thanks for the awesome videos Mark
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I love Epirus. It's one of the only Hellenic factions that has elephants. Their pikes and shock cav aren't a joke either.
Definitely one of the more difficult factions to start with though, I've had to restart my campaign more than 10 times before I got the ball rolling. Through some luck, maneuvering, and diplomacy, I was able to stop the war with Syracuse and Athens and make them my defensive allies, destroy Sparta and Rhodes, then let Syracuse be destroyed by Rome before making Rome my client bitch.
Currently I'm trading with about 75% of every other faction and 50% are allies.
Again, very hard starting position but it is doable. The world will bend knee to Pyrrhus.
Freddie Mercury same marched to athens destroyd their army in the field, right as i was going to siege the city, two spartan armys decimted my depleted army, Phyrrus fell that day:(
Illyrian Levies do have precursor javelins - get them in the rear of engaged infantry and they can do work. Agrianian Axemen need to be a melee unit first and a skirmish unit second - 120 men per unit, dense formation like Karian Axemen. That would raise Epiruses capabilities significantly. Totally agree on Shield Wall for Samnites. They are underwhelming.
How you have so much knowledge?!
Matt Foster Take a look at his channel and you'll see the answer immediately.
i use Levies as a screening force mostly myself, let a Barb Sword Line Hit em (protect them with Slingers to keep them alive from slingers/archers) and then move your foot troops in as soon as they get charged so you deny them a charge on your guys.
Matt Foster I have done terrible things no man should do and seen things no man should see in the darkest, dankest, Doritoest corners of the Rome 2 database.
Maximus Decimus Meridius
No, you can't of, you didin't, SELL YOU SOLE TO CA??
:P
After over a year I finally know your name!!!!!MARK THE HEIR OF CARTHAGE! My life is complete cx
It's awesome that you're doing these for every faction, now that Emperor's edition has changed some stuff around, looking forward to the rest of em!
Heir you are such a nice person and your content is great! Total war is a very friendly community in gereral.
Hey Heir!! You should do formation focus, different formations with variations of different armies (sword spams, skirmisher heavy armies, and cavalry heavy armies). Love the vids!
Phyrus said when sailing away from Sicily what a wrestling ground I leave for Rome and Carthage
I'm starting to notice a bit of an interesting pattern here that barbarian swords are so OP in the "end game" patches of Rome 2. In the beginning it was the cultured factions such as Rome and the Hellenic factions including Egypt and Baktria, but now that Atilla AKA the Barbarian Invasion of Rome 2 is coming out... I mean do you see where I'm getting at here...
war dogs, i use them to 1. deal with Meatshield men, and 2. they just get right in the way if a Unit tries to charge (since they can inflict some damage and trying to walk through/run through them hurts the unit)
Patchy trembles when he hears the name "Pyrrhus of Mlg".
I like Epirus, its one of my favorite factions in Rome 2 although they sucked originally when they came out before the roster boost. Regardless their got good all round units in my opinion and before elephants got nerfed it was always a pleasure bringing them in a battle to an unexpected person who had no idea that any greek state could use them :D
in my Rome II campaigns, the Epirus is nothing like pyrrhic faction, they either rule the Balkans or are extrerminated after 30 turns
Epirote seem to be a fan favourite amongst players with a interest in ancient history without a focus on Rome, I know I like them a lot. I was surprised when I played Europa Barbarorum and this new hellenistic kingdom popped up on the map fitting perfectly in between Rome and Makedonia. They have this nice mix of hellenistic, illyrian and italian troops.
Seems like the Thorakitai is missing from their Rome 2 roster unfortunately, they were awesome in EB & EB 2. Hellenistic Legionaries with spears. They don't have any Hypastistai either? No Shield Bearers? I notice a lack of quality heavy infantry. :/
+angelowl89 Have to say that I strongly prefer factions with a rich diversity of units that allow different playstyles. Although sometimes an overspecialized faction can be interesting as well, the Sweboz/Suebi seem really fun in Rome 2 since they got all the extra units.
Greetings from Arta , Epirus , Greece.
UA-cam isn't a zero sum game, or at least the way that Heir and the TW UA-cam community seems to operate. It's great to see all the differing opinions and ideas.
Is it just me or do Socii Extraordinarii have the exact same stats as Mercenary Samnite Warrior? I've noticed that it's true for Merc Italian cav/Socii Equites and Merc Italian swords/Socii Hastati so it wouldn't surprise me that much I suppose.
I find it weird that Royal Peltasts and Hellenic Royal Guard cost more or almost as much as Hellenic Royal Cavalry. Weren't cavalry units always more expensive than infantry historically?
In the most cases, training cavalry troops was much more expensive than raising footmen. In this particular case, i assume the Royal Guards and Royal Peltasts were armed by the Royal Armory instead of using their own equipment, which leads to a massive cost increase. Furthermore i think of them as a standing army, while hoplites were taken under arms only in war times. There is also a huge difference in the amount of men serving in each troop, which explains maintenance differences, for example in wages.
What is the lower price of good gaming PC do I need to play wh3 Attila Rome 2?
Dogs are good against barbarian charges and light infantry.
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i really love Epirus
I had a game where I was playing against a guy using one of the all cavalry factions and had an army of just lancers. I had one unit of levy pikes and just kinda set them out in front of the rest of my army and put them in phalanx and they ended up getting over 100 kills just out there by themselves with no support from other units haha, my opponent kinda just charged his calvary straight at me and didn't micro much it seemed but they can be useful then haha
Sneaky sneaky elephants
"I don't consider any of the other channels to be my competition..." That's because you have the fourth largest Total War channel on UA-cam...
Agrianian axemen are actually epyrus's main medium infantry in campaign, they wreck karian axemen even thug they have less numbers
Love the comment about Total war youtubers being a community!
Except for Darrentotalwar lol
I from Epirus(Greece)
Epirus AKA 'The mercenary pool'.
Why don't you show us a rep
Tree-ar-ree-eye
I think they should buff sword melee cavalry by simply giving them a bonus vs infantry or something.
what is ur GC?
Remember that time Rome got ambushed by elephants?
I actually like the Roman build. Bringing this to a tournament's gonna cause some confusion. xD
But for some reason I get the feeling his build is used to counter cav...
AzureDragon100 You think?
i seem to get 200+ with companion cav all the time it seems
i think if i see many more of these video's where my favourite faction (Rome) is slaughtered then my heart might actually break (a bit melodramatic but oh well).
They also have me questioning if Rome's even a power faction any more.
It sure is! Not as strong as tylis or boii tough
Yeah, it's a heart breaker seeing Rome lose :(.
Historically they had access to gallic troops they should of given them something
Togal War Rome 2: Heir Edition
Why do I not have all the units that he has?
Beast of war DLC
Is CA going to patch Rome II anymore, or this is final version ?
If we're lucky we may get one last patch, but this is probably the final rendition.
hmm that is sad I feel like this game still needs a lot more work.
video starts at 4:30
He sounds like prince of Macedon
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Epirus is good as a support faction in a siege battle ..if they had thorax swords definitely would be one of better factions .
So whats the best Hellenic faction in the game Makedon Epirus or Seleucids?
+Pit Rontos Bactria probably...not sure though. Macedon is the worst for sure.
I thought the Seleucids or Massilia cause they have decent melee infantry compared to Bactria.If Pontus was considered hellenic faction as it should be i would go with Pontus.My personal favourite is Epirus tho.
Sparta has a great army though it can be predictable. It's very underrated by most (but overrated by newbies). Athens is also very underrated too, and Egypt is good. But my personal favourite is Sparta (not because of the 300 movie its bullshit)
SoupofCan my favorite is epirus. cimmeria is pretty good vs baktria tho
HeirofCarthage btw pikes are not useless. u just need to know when to active the pike formation or not.some let the pikes active since the start of the game! thats bad
Good review. I'll still be playing rome2 over Attila.
Woo! DarrenTotalWar!
Nnnnooooo lol
Epirus is underrated
Don't wanna be a kill joy heir, but I believe it's pronounced Tree-ar-red-eye. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I may have missed something but why are you re-running these or making new ones? I've been abscent for a while.
Patches, so many patches.
The game was like goat simulator in the beginning. Now it runs good, game is more balanced, rosters are better.
Speederzzz like youre comparaison
+ze german scourge So do I. Units dancing in a circle instead of fighting.
I did my own comparison with creten archers and cimerian heavy archers and the cretens won it 8 out of the 10 times, i played both factions 10 times each to make it fair.
Rachel weird. cimmerian heavy Archer haver more hp and armor, the same range and a little more damage
take care and rest well. maybe you need some days off.
Not to be mean, but your voice sounds slightly better than when you weren't sick. Sorry, I know you can't help it, but I'm just putting it out there.
they need to have more expensive pikes handle their pikes better, like put their spears down faster, and the phalanx should increase the chance to deflect missiles
Never thought about that scenario. It should be considered.
Alex Sitaras phalanx was not used to protect from missiles in real life...
Marcus Mgodioso actually arrows and other missiles used to get caught up in the spears in the back of the phalanx
My favorite multi player faction, not because they are a great faction but because they are not.
Why don't you show us a replay of all cavalry
What is the faction that people don't play so often?
yay you said smorgasbord! Sweden FTW!!
im going guess it's a swedish word?
Yep. A classic swedish type of buffet. Mostly consists of different types of herring and alot of liqour.
Smorgas literally means "sandwich", of which there is also alot.
They only get samnites if u have dlc :-(
I know it barely matters, but I really hate the Epirote color scheme. I found a mod that switches the brown for the green from their rebel faction
Aren't you an engineer heir?
Joey Litsey a logistics engineer
when the hell are you gonna do a Carthage faction focus? xD
Alphabetical order bro...
C comes before E in the alphabet Europe use, or is it diffrently in the USA??
Priximus225 You're not serious...
Other than the C before E part yes glad you noticed!
Priximus225 Heir is probably going to do them last or later than all the other factions.
To quote his exact words on the previous Epirus FF, "Yeah, I mean, I may have a *Slight* bias towards them."
The Roman player was such a noob. Painful to watch. What a waste of cav, plus charging spears with Triarii? And to top it all off his legionaries didnt get off a volley....they just walked into the charge.
Heir, epirus is not that difficult in the campaign (on vry hard), just get some pikes and slingers and conquer greece.
im durst!
I think beehive onagers lower morale, so useless.
I fuckin hate these online battles!!!!!
:(
Why is that, friend?
He is an is militant that always loses.
Online matches are 50% of Total War games.
There boring
How are they Boring, MP battles are far more strategic and tactics based than SP can ever hope to be.
I don't see how you lose with Rome. That guy is worst at the game than me and ive never played it b4
5:42 "[...] if you are playing on a map that offers a choke-point; *_such as maybe a siege-battle or something like that_* [...]" - something like that? - what else is there! - and don't bother mentioning the handful of rivers that often offer multiple crossings at once...
Most of Rome 2 maps are totally blant. They don't offer any bit of interesting terrain in which to utilize some holding-out power of units like pikes.
On the other end of the spectrum, horse-heavy factions get the shaft, too (btw.: the Macedons (which includes Epirus) were famous for their cavalry; I don't get it why poor horse-civilizations like Rome get anywhere near that; it's ridiculous!); a people like parthia badly suffers from a "go for a casualty-rich draw" sort of option for battles; attack, kill as much as makes sense military-wise and retreat to keep all your forces for the next round - then rince + repeat. That's how Parthia for instance hampered Roman troops hard. But when you have a chain on your leg saying "you have to fight this out till the bitter end", having lower numbers + being restricted to horses only (which can be countered with a variety of units) you are basically screwed (unless they add, as they do, a lot of unusual foot-units to mildly atone for that sort of thing)
Imagine a TW-Rome2 where different peoples would have different options of how to engage + end a battle. Suddenly balance wouldn't depend solely on complete rosters. You wouldn't need to give barbarians access to siege-weapons or any nonsense like that (ridiculous!) because they could hit you hard with guerilla-tactics (+ big unit sizes in horde-formations)! (note: it should also depend on the region; germans for instance should be able to retreat faster into woods, whilst step-factions would have that benefit in open terrain (because: horses)) - it could make the game so much more interesting and diversified... and finally give us some terrain with which to work with. having up and down slopes here and there, and a rock at some rare occasion just doesn't cut it when it comes to interesting, diversified battle-sites...un-do the whole, annoying dumbing-down of what should be a very demanding, tactically focused game!
Speaking of which: can anyone see on first glance, what region a certain map is in? - they all look the same... no matter if you are fighting in some notoriously rocky region or not. It's all one blend of boringness...