@@derekc2042 no it wouldn’t it would make him go get some smack to fix that w/d is what that would do … naltrexone doesn’t really do much if your doing good enough stuff anyways
Your tripping now your on that for god knows how long and when you decide to stop you will withdrawal from suboxon don’t let them fool you by saying it’s just like blood thinners 😅😅
I'm literally weaning down off Subs right now (at 2mg) after 7 years and doing good. Its helped me change my life fir the better. I know it can be somewhat controversial between addicts, but I feel it does far FAAARRR more good than bad, and it has its negatives of course, but as far as pros, it allows addicts to establish a positive, and regular life routine, to separate from and cut off negative influences/dealers subsequently removing your access to other drugs, it deals with cravings without getting you high(for the most part, it IS an opioid), it prevents addicts from being able to be effected by any other opiate for (up to*) 72 hours after 1 regular dose, it's very safe compared to other opiates and it's subjectively easier to wean and stop than other opiates. It's so much better for an addict to be on Suboxone, it's chemically almost perfectly designed for treating opiate addiction in every way. It's biggest con, ironically, is simply that its an opioid itself and is addictive.
down to .5mg per day but still when my script runs out i'm just as miserable as when (if not more miserable) than when i was on heroin for only 8 months of my life. been on suboxone on and off for 14 yrs. it's not gotten easier at all to obtain or try to quit.
@@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286 ill give u some advice. go see a sub doctor for like a year or two. get the biggest dose from him as possible and take like 1/8 or 1/16 of the dose prescribed and save the rest, after stock piling them for a year or two you will be set for years to come
@@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286 omg dude I went through this today it took until 8pm for me to get my subs I am down to only 2MGs after three years of taking 8mg. I usually take it before work around 5-6am and didn’t have it till 8pm and started kicking at work around 11pm I felt terrible I didn’t know only 2mg can make u feel this bad if u don’t have it. I’m quitting this for sure I was very close to getting some hop today in San Francisco lol. I’m happy I didn’t tho
@@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286 but then I’m nervous if I get off will I use again? I’m from Afghanistan to keep it real and we’re users it’s normal out there I mean it’s frowned upon of course after the USA came and afghans got knowledge of what it actually does to u but before that we literally used it for pain or when we’d go to war for injuries like huge black bags full of heroin I couldn’t believe my eyes I moved from there to USA at least here they help you in my country u would get hung and they just kill u and call u useless if you use. I’m jus nervous if I get off will I use again. It’s scary to thing of. I’m naturally a hectic full of anxiety person
Me too. Edit- I’ve been on this medication for 8 years. My life has done a total 180. Suboxone saved my life. It’s saved my freedom. I was able to complete parol, pay off my child support arrears, significantly improve my credit score, etc.
I've been on Suboxone since Spring 2015 after over five years of addiction including fentanyl addiction. If it weren't for Suboxone I would likely be dead. It takes away all cravings, let's me feel normal- not like an addict. I have been sober from everything except my RX's since 6/26/15, that includes no alcohol.
Hey brotha.. that’s good & encouraging to read. I’ve been an addict since 2011 & just started boxin’ a couple days ago. It honest to god truth took my withdrawals away. I haven’t felt like using since hours before I started my prescription. No lie I want to get off it as soon as possible though, it gives me weird side effects.
The prejudice against mat is terrible. This medication has saved tons of lives. But ignorance and guilt trips is what causes people to not understand WHY this treatment method works. Clean for four years. And where I live, I have read comments from about 100 other people who have gotten off of street drugs, and stayed off. For years, and many people, indefinitely. The only problem now, is insurance companies refusing to cover it, so when people start working, they cannot afford it. That is a problem. But for her to be ashamed is not right.
@@active.7universal wth, bro I been on subs now for 3 years and the other day out of nowhere my tooth chipped and it was my upper back tooth so those teeth are super strong but bam jus broke n fell. Is it cause subs? I started off taking 8MG the most for 3 years and now I am on 2mg. Cutting it lower and lower and the kick feels like hop
@@AfG_313 probably from sub//I've been on 3 years and couple my teeth are feeling the effects /part of 1 tooth actually fell apart at the gum line while brushing /literally have a hole in the tooth
can confirm, have been clean off street opiates since 2012 after a decade of running around and wasting time. I still run into bumps in the road and I am clearly an ex addict but I am in no way staying on opiates 24/7. also if your teeth are chipping you need to consume more food and more water and vitamins. most likely caused by sugar
My only fear, is the subutex suddenly disappearing from the market. As long as I take two each morning, I live a pretty darn normal and awesome life when I have time with my kids. I'm working on new hobbies to fill time when I'm not with them, but even when I'm alone and depressed, the last thing I'm thinking about is getting high.
Man, 20 year addict here. Tried Suboxone for a long time and everything else. While Suboxone is an absolutely life saving medication, I'm just gonna say it. I wasn't free from addiction until the day I became free from the threat of withdrawal, which Suboxone withdrawal is exponentially worse than illict opioids. I am now 7 years clean off ALL mind altering substances and my life has fundamentally changed. I went from nothing to a career in commercial real-estate development, I operate a recovery house, and am on the Board of Directors of the largest non-profit in the my state certifying recovery residences. I am a free man today. Truly free ❤
The only people that can say anything negative or the people that who have you ever had to deal with this disease! It is only something you can understand if you have been through it! I am 10 years total 7 years without Sub! God bless you and I wish you the best and you can do it! I am living proof!!! Remember it's not easy stay strong get it done!
I have been on pain med's a long time and being in recovery (alcohol) over thirty years I have felt guilt. I went on bupe in a clinical trial and it was not like other opioid meds but after a year I weaned off just to prove it to myself but the pain was still there and after trying to tough it out I went back on bupe (not suboxone just subutex) and I am okay with it as is my sponsor . I know what escaping is and this is not escape. It is a tool and I am happy it is there.
Suboxone saved my life. I used to eat 400mg+ OxyContin a day. Probably would’ve ended up on dope, and probably would have ODed over time. People who say Suboxone is the same as heroin or a crutch are idiots and completely out of touch with reality. Do you know somebody who has died as a result of fetanyl laced dope? Well, if they were taking Suboxone, they’d still be with us. I have a BA, a Master’s Degree, taught Special Ed for 7 years and am an RF engineer and living a completely normal life. I still take Suboxone to this day, and will continue to do so. It’s not the fear of getting off it and withdrawing, it’s the fear that I will relapse and die. Suboxone doesn’t make you high, doesn’t make you nod off, all it does is satisfies all cravings for opiates - and alcohol. Since starting Suboxone over 10 years ago, I haven’t had the urge to drink once. I am stone cold sober, to the point where some days I even forget to take it. Yeah, it sucks to have to commute to a doctor every 4 weeks, but at the end of the day, it is entirely worth it. If you are on pills or dope and you want to live, Suboxone will save your life.
You might want to rethink that suboxa get you hi just tricks you to think you not kills your dopamine and kills everything else inside of you takes balls to drop suboxine it numbs you kills your truth manifestation power !! Try stopping it will nock your sucks of the ground not so much the physical but the mental part
@@catman4242 you clearly don’t understand. Once again, had all those who’ve overdosed and died on heroin or fetanyl been taking Suboxone, they’d still be alive today. Suboxone’s half life is far, far longer than OxyContin. They aren’t even the same drug. I’ve been on Suboxone for well over 10 years and, seeing as you clearly didn’t read my original comment, I live a perfectly normal and productive life.
I was taking subutex for two years. And was on methadone for 35 yrs. Don’t know what happened. One day I got tired of taking subutex and cut from 16 mg to 8 mg in one day. I’ve been on 4 mgs for a week without any symptoms Don’t know why. Can’t anyone explain. I believe addiction receptors are in the gut and brain. If you deal with your gastric issues you have half the battle won. Love all
That's due to the nature of suboxone. You may not feel much of anything till you get to 2MG and below. Best of luck to you. The receptors are in the brain.
Robert knows what he’s talking about … we have a main nerve running from the brain around the organs to the stomach. When your on opiates that nerve is suppressed which is why our breathing slows & sleep changes & appetite ect. That’s why when you w/d it all goes to crap. Robert I have hopped on & off multiple times from all types of opiates & for some reason sometimes you do get lucky & w/d is not nearly as bad.. Maybe just the sweats & feeling blah but other times it’s like hell within hours & your sicker than a dog . Not sure why we get lucky sometimes but I always am grateful for it
That's cause you reach a ceiling with subs. Your body is saturated with it and doesn't know the difference between 4/8/16 because it's absorbed as much as it can after a certain amount. The one guys right about 2mg. When you start to go below that it gets rough. You'll be looking onward to your doses more. I remember get down to .5mgs and I could never just stop it. So I switched to kratom and been on that shit for the past 6 years. Was on subs for 7 years before that. I daydream about what it was like to feel life in the past because I'm just numb all the time. I started heavy drinking when I was 19 and since then I've never truly been sober in about 16 years.
I’ve been in subs since 2012, 12 years! Way harder to come off of then my doc, pain pills, this drug has changed me for the worst and it’s damn near impossible to get off of.
I’ve been on Subs for almost a year but it makes me not able to breathe normally. It’s like never being able to get a full breath . It’s absolutely terrible.
You’re either on way too much or developing an allergy to it. Find a different suboxone provider if they won’t listen to your concerns. That’s a serious reaction.
100 what the guy above me said!!! my cousin has the same issue and she had to get switched to buprenorphine without the naloxone but I do not suggest that unless you are far enough or strong enough to make that decision and the decisions that come afterwards! God bless best wishes
being on suboxone is like a vacation compared to being on opiates. i personaly think they should make buprenorphine more accessible to people at this moment buprenorphine is only given to people in the ER, pain patients and the methadone clinic
And it's also ridiculous people say it's like doing a bag of dope I tell them it's not even close and this comes mostly from people who never been addicted to heroin I look at them dead in the eyes and say not even close believe that
it is a substitute medication that causes its own withdrawal and everything and the withdrawal can be extended and compounded a bit but it definitely works for long term heroin addiction but be careful cuz it will make you complacent and ruin your teeth from not brushing and flossing. I learned a lot about the damn medicine after 10 years of being on it, glad I am finally off of it because I can't live that way anymore but when I took it I found out I couldn't swallow it because it just caused all these negative side effects like terrible constipation, nausea and bad metabolism problems. Best way to take it is just holding it in your mouth then spitting it out. But real talk if you've never been on heroin for more than a week or so its literally not necessary and something like kratom can be used instead. Being stuck on sub forever fucking sucks it actually messes with your coordination as well.@@jasondonellan776
I did opiates for 7yrs, I've now been on Subs for 7yrs, & I have a regular life now, except I can definitely feel the long-term side effects playing out in my body & mind. I sure do appreciate it, I feel like I would've died had I not gotten it, especially since it helped me quit opiates just before the importation of phentanyl from China to Mexico & then into the U.S. I wish I could get off the subs, but it would absolutely destroy the routine that I've been able to build with it. It's mostly the methods by which it is available. Meaning, I go to doctor, once a month, & they prescribe it, & then I pick it up, all for free (because I'm native American & living in the right area). I don't have to chase the pills/H, I don't have to spend tons of $$$ on both the drug & that gas to find it. Don't have to waste the hours looking for it, don't have to be around those people. Don't have to do anything illegal, so never in jail. Don't ever miss work. So there's alotta benefits & alotta specific things that had to fall into place perfectly for me to even be able to get it. When I first switched over I didn't have any routine, & no job, so I wouldn't have been able to pay for the script, & this hospital didn't even have a Suboxone program, I was being treated for hepatitis, which was another free thing the Indians paid for, almost $100k worth of pills, don't ask me why they should cost so much, I guess to pay off the research it took to make it...? Anyway, I was actually the first person in a program that made ght have started because I casually mentioned to my doctor that I bought subs off the street to try to quit, she took it to the board & they approved it, & she became the lead person in charge of the program, called me back in & I started it regularly (every day, same amount), & that's what finally made me feel confident enough to not need the harder real opiates ever again, although, I was thinking if everything was the exact same, but they replaced the subs with H or pills, I think I would be doing just as well, actually I'd be doing better, because H & pills gave me MASSIVE amounts of energy, to do lots of manual labor, & since I'm a contractor that equals more money, because after taking subs for 7yrs I have basically NO energy, NO motivation, NO ambition, I never go out of the house, other than to work, occasionally. Yeah, I kinda just wish they'd prescribe the actual drugs, I've already destroyed my mind & body. By all definitions I should actually be dead, so just let me take the real sh*t. I'll still g t on with my life, & I'll make more $ for my family before I really do kick the bucket. Who's it gonna hurt? Just apply all the normal rules we apply to alcohol, don't get f'd up & drive....that's about it really.
BINGO. If she hates it so much and it's just one drug for another, why doesn't she just get back on Heroin. She was doing as good on that, judging by the fact she was in the back of a ambulance.. Maybe she is tired of family judging her though..
You have to physically go to a Suboxone doctor to have Suboxone pushed on you. If you tell them you want other medication that isn't narcotic they will more than willingly give it to you. You sound like the type of person that blames others for your actions.
Only people who hate on this are the ones who have not had to deal with this addiction or had to deal with the addiction from the other end cuz when I was doing the stupid s***you wouldn't even have a phone left in your house to even do what you're doing with your comments!!! I'm glad you have never had to deal with it I don't wish it upon my worst enemy but I'm telling you right now if you had someone that you love let alone yourself go through it you would absolutely appreciate this or you would understand what I am saying about trying to find your personal belongings! This is not me being crude or radical this is me explaining what people have been through and keep going through from one side or the other! No matter what God bless live life to the fullest... Also I will say it again I would not be where I am without it! I am just over 10 years total 7 years without Suboxone! You really have to work at it no matter what but without that three-year period that I had with this medication it would've never happened! This is for everyone out there who sees comments like the one that I am replying to just understand it's possible and get it done! As long as you need to until you can walk on your own two by yourself with no BS
I hope she is still strong and doing well. I wouldn't wish opiate addiction on my worst enemy. It's torture. I myself take Suboxone, and in my opinion the good side far outweighs the bad side of Suboxone. But she is dead right, I sure am sick of taking it.
There is always hope !! If you truly want to get off , you can ,it’s possible I did my self I was on them for 4 years and I been clean for 3 months now first 8 days were hell but then it got better every day :)
@@MemyselfI-tt9uc To be totally honest, I have gone through opiate withdrawals and stayed clean for long periods of time without using Suboxone, or methadone many times, but I always end up crawling back. I will likely be on Suboxone for many years to come. If I taper off Suboxone, I know It won't be long before I'm back to self-medicating on opiates. At least I can have somewhat of a normal life taking Suboxone. The easy part is getting clean, the hardest part is staying clean. Congrats on your 3 months being clean, stay strong.
! I Totally know what you mean because it took me couple tries to get fully clean off opiates my self I was using even when I was taking subs so no judgment I know how it is ! But I pray that you overcome them one day because it’s so worth it I took me 4 years to man up and go thru the withdrawals and I know one day you will wake up ready to get of just stay clean and strong 💪!!!
I can totally relate. However, it’s far far better and a far better life for that matter to use Suboxone rather than to be stuck using heavy opiates with all the consequences and complications involved. I wonder if the only way off Suboxone is through blood transfusion and monitor detox?
I also wondered what other way to get off subs besides the slow taper. I have read alot about the taper and my conclusion is the longer your on subs the longer it takes to jump off them. I been on subs for 1 month and I’m getting ready to start a taper but oh Dr wants me to be stable and comfortable on the dose and then we’ll start a taper I just don’t want to be on subs for years no way! But I have heard some great stories on people that been on them for years and even decades that got off them with a slow taper one day at a time!
@svtkilr yeah but people stay on them for way too long. It's no way to live, trust me I know better than anyone. As long as someone is on on subs or methadone then they're still using is my point. It's not being clean
@@rudyferrell Sorry bro it is being clean if it keeps people off of what is the root reason why they got on them then yes they are clean but everyone is entitled to their own opinion I’ll take being on subs for a short period of time than having to do any other drugs How long were you on subs for or still are ?
I've been on Suboxone for almost 10 years & please take my word for it; this med eventually puts everyone in a fog. You become a shell of yourself & lose the urge to do _anything_ that once gave you pleasure. I'm not talking about drugs I'm talking about showering like your supposed to, wanting to hang with friends or even go outside on general etc This med changes your personality over time. This med is not meant to be used long term that's for sure..
I’ve been on subs for around 5 years now and I agree with you. I don’t ever go out or do anything. I don’t want to leave my house. I want off this shit so bad and it’s not easy.
Wow this explains a lot. This is exactly what I deal with and I could never figure out why. They keep telling me it’s my depression etc. I want off of it so bad. It’s a double edge sword because I wouldn’t have stopped using without it and be as far as I am but I’ve also been on suboxone for way too long imo.
No joke I 100% know what you're saying. I've been on Subutex for pushing 12 years now or more. When I first started it within the first four or five years I was fine. But these last couple years for some reason I feel like I'm floating through life with no direction. I can't even describe it. I used to love going to the doctor and knowing that I had my medication to be there as my crutch and now every time it's time for me to go back I am disgusted and angry. I don't even remember what it feels like to feel normal. I know this isn't it. I can't really feel much of anything while on this medication. I guess it's different for everyone. But I'm hoping I can make the push to get off in the next year.
This medication is meant for _hardcore_ drug users. Ones who used heroin or fentanyl etc. Not for Norco's like myself & the doctor I went to who first prescribed it should of told me that! He should of told me to put my big girl panties on & go home & lay on the couch for the next 2 weeks & you'll be fine. Instead, I get put on a med that is 25x stronger then fentanyl ever could be but controlled enough so you won't overdose. I've tapered off this med once before & it's _no fucking joke!_ I lasted 2.5 months & gave in. Even after 75 days I still had no urge to move from the couch! I was prescribed 24mg for 7 years & switched to an addiction Dr for the last 3 & he will only give 16mg daily. The only benefit is since he's an addiction specialist, my Suboxone is free & my state insurance pays the visit. But I'm going to be 100% honest here, I'm addicted to this medication. Some days I take more then the 16mg for "energy" but it's all in my damn head & it leaves me short the last few days before I go back in. I haven't had any meds now for 4 days & I feel like pure shit. I haven't left my bed in 3 days. It's 11:11p now & my appts @ 9:30a thankfully.
@@frasercheyne8332That's awesome if it wasn't hard for you, you must be really strong(not sarcastic) but being totally fair, it's different for everybody, but it is difficult. It's subjectively easier to quit and wean than almost every other opiate, but it's no cakewalk by any stretch unless you wear "PERFECTLY". I'm doing it now, down to 2mg and tip-toeing down by little bits every couple days. It seemingly gets a little easier the lower I get though.
@@dukenukem7043 ive taken kratom a bunch in my time of taking subs,, it would probably work a lot better at a lower tolerance, but kratom sucks if you have a decent tolerance whatsoever, especially to something as strong as buprenorphine.
@@frasercheyne8332 yeah I got to agree with the others. What's easy for you may not be easy for others. Not only that but other people could be dealing with secondary mental problems or stresses/anxiety. I do agree that tapering down is definitely the way to go but thank you have to be in the right mindset and truly want to quit.
Don't you think it's interesting that they make it so very hard to get suboxon? It needs to be free to all that want it. In the meantime thousands are dying everyday.
Suboxone?Heroin? 🤔Suboxone definitely isn’t for everyone but it has saved my life and if you had 2 choices. Which would u choose to see your loved one taking?? She was sitting in her living not laying in the back of an ambulance. So something is working.
Good luck getting off the subs then the withdrawal is worse than any other drug and I know I've been on them for 7 years and they don't help you get off them my test haven't came back normal in months no other test was done to see y and I was waking up sick feeling like I'm dieing so I'm getting off them myself
It’s only a partial opioid, some people will still get wd for a few days. It won’t work for everyone some people need methadone a full opioid. Especially if they are in pain.
Yeah and I had huge issues with nausea and headaches with it, you never feel 'normal ' obviously if it works for a lot of people I am not knocking their experiences. All I am saying is that it definitely doesn't agree with everyone and I have reached normality with methadone, haven't used street drugs in 20 years and have no drug associated 'friends' anymore. I have been on for such a long time, since the mid seventies with gaps when I had my kids, but had a partner who used throughout so always went back after pregnancies and breast feeding. I don't have the partner any more and don't even think about street drugs.
@@rudyferrellit saves you from death by overdose, not just the streets. Subs were never meant for the root cause, that's what therapy is for. Suboxone allows a person to function and feel normal so they can go about their life without chasing another drug so they don't feel sick.
@@tanyaperales6681 easier said than done I have tried number of times I done five days one time and when I was in the store shopping All at once I got sick and started puking in the store I couldn't help it I felt like I was going to die and I was sweating I felt bad and It doesn't help my pain anyway I started taking it when I couldn't get no more pills but it done me more harm than good I gained about fifty pounds and I'm constipated I can't concentrate ur right though just stop I'm fine the first few days and after OMG 😱 it's bad I have no energy or anything
I was on methadone 145mg drank a day. Switched to Suboxone extremely hard the first few days but I'm way better now. I started having all sorts of strange health issues on methadone.
I was a heroin & cocaine addict IV shooting for 10 years off and on mostly on I’ve died 3 times went to 10 30 day rehabs at least 40 sober homes and Jesus and Suboxone saved my life
Additionally the sad part about addiction is even after a period of clean time of sobriety if a person happens to pick up they don't pick up where they left off they pick up where they would have been if they had never stopped in the first place because addiction is a continuing and Progressive illness which ends are always the same jails institutions and death
Suboxone is a bully I was on it for one month and fought my way off for a year The hellish long lasting withdrawals absolutely horrendous had I known I would’ve never done it
agreed. my ex idiot boyfriend went to jail and detoxed from heroin in 1 week & looked happy as a lark in jail when i visited him. meanwhile, 6 yrs later, I've been stuck on suboxone. paying $250 a month cash to obtain. no wonder ppl stay on street drugs. I could just go out to the city and get anything but have to make an appointment, spend $250, wait for Rx to be filled (some pharmacies give you shit and don't fill it) and then pay cash for the suboxone. wish i'd gone to jail too.
Hey I was on it for a year . How long do you think I will be withdrawaling for ? I’ve been clean from subs 7 months and still don’t feel right but I almost feel 100%
@@komrad51st it's such a complicated question, so many things to take into account,, your drug use history, your soecific brain chemistry, personality, length of time using. But you'll probably slowly feel better and better over a 1.5-2 year period(that's a guess), but your well on your way. If there's one thing I KNOW helps 100% forsure is stimulating your natural endorphin system through exercise, amongst other things, like take a multi-vitamin, eat somewhat healthy, avoid stress(the best you can,lol).
@@ryohio4706 you think it would take that long even if I only used for a year ? I mean I do feel almost 100% at 7 1/2 months . I’m scared to feel like shit for that long
Suboxone sublingual films cause dental problems/caries! Please consider using anything else except the sublingual films as the high acidity of the product is horrible! Many people are now sent to addiction protocols which keep patients addicted in another way! They only switched the meds, not the resulting ongoing problem which affects the patient for life! Titration by doctors is too quick and too severe, it should be half the time you spent on meds to properly titrate off them. User for 10 years... slowly titrate off for 5 or 3. Below 3 is asking for trouble.😢😮
Yea but suboxone has really nasty side effects. I’ve been on for about 9 months in in the process of weaning down. I hate the side effects subs give me
Young people are dying on the streets of the USA like a plague has hit them. It’s insane ! If you don’t want someone you love to die, get them on suboxone. Fast !!!
Its pride and peoples opinions telling people not to take it. An addict need only ask, is it saving my life? Then you can ask, has my life improved? Mine has improved in my relationships, job, financial situation, and mental health as well as saving my life. No shame in it.
I have been on the sub 19 years. I am 48 years old. I got an education and a good Job. A lovely wife and 3 Kids all born after my sub treatment started. I have many friends who went of the subs. Many of them are dead of o.d, many struggle with their relapses and some have mange to get of the sub. I have many time dreamt of getti getting of the sub. BUT I do not want to find out the hard way I was not up for the task. Once a H addict, always a H addict.
Even after being treated like i had the plague while i got clean, i fell like they treat me worse now that im weaning of suboxone. Which i had to initiate myself because they refused to believe it was rotting my teeth. Guess who's currently in a multi billion dollar lawsuit? I didn't relapse once and did everything right and was treated worse and worse. No wonder the epidemic only grows worse.
No one is forcing you to take any medication. Doctors can recommend, but the choice is always the patients, and with exceedingly rare exceptions for very infectious diseases or public health risks, you are free to cut down and stop any medication. You can even refuse quick, safe and life saving treatments like a few days of antibiotics for a severe infection. You did not end up on Suboxone because some docs jumped out from behind a tree and made you take it….there was a reason, and you are free to not refill the prescription or wean down. The staff may not be thrilled about weaning, but remember they watch 100 people try to wean, and only see 1 or 2 succeed…so it’s hard for them to be super enthusiastic about another attempt to wean, but any good doc supports that the lowest dose that works is best, even if very tiny. It can be done, gradually, especially at the end and may just gradually space out the time between doses, but many swear they will get off and give in after 3-4 weeks of being nonfunctional.
I'm currently rooming with a woman who spends at LEAST 20 hours in bed all day on SUBOXONE. It's NO cure, it's a junkies excuse for another addiction. I'll be moving out soon. This drug is annoying ASF because the addict thinks they're not using. I didn't know she was going to be comatose the whole time or I would not have agreed to share expenses. Give me a pothead ANY day of the week 😉
Suboxone does not get you high at all. Her body is probably adjusting. Not making excuses for her and I understand your frustrations esp bc rent is hella high. Although I know u don't care and see everyone here as junkies so you say. But she's getting the help she needs. Move out if u feel u need to. She making the first step to better her life.
Yes, I'm an opiate addict.. I'm a Suboxone addict. It has its advantages, but I'm no better or worse than any other junkie. Subs, taken orally, as prescribed, get me higher than any other opiate I had taken prior.
Then you shouldn't be on them...I've never once felt "high" from suboxone and only people with little to no opiate tolerance get high from it. It's meant to stabilize you, not get you loaded. Methadone does cause a high even for people with an opiate tolerance, but for people (like me) who actually need suboxone we simply feel stabilized on it, not high. I slammed REAL heroin for almost 6 years (before fentanyl was in anything), and when I couldn't get dope I'd make poppy seed tea or get morphine IR pills and diladiud from a friend's grandma, if you've ever experienced any of those opiates I think you'd take back your statement about "suboxone getting you higher than any other opiate you've tried" I've taken subs after a long break and the "high" you're referring to isn't even that good, it's just super long lasting but the Euphoria is nothing compared to real opiates, it just feels like you took too much kratom for 24 hours when you have no sub tolerance and take a lot, I'd love to feel this crazy high you talk about.
@@jennifermaida585 between 5-8/day for almost 2yrs.. Get extremely high. and yes, I used to take morphine IR and dilaudid IR all time. This is way stronger.
@@Bonesph Why won't you just take my word for it? Maybe we're just built differently. I am taking my prescribed 8mg/daily now since my tolerance slowly increased, but I nod every day. I have no reason to lie to you. Suboxone gets me extremely high after almost 2yrs of taking it.
@@robertmugler5436 I can only talk from personal experience when you go through the acute withdrawal period from heroin after about a week of purgatory you start fee
So would u rather someone be high with a needle in their arm or take 2 tablets a day and be productive to society ? Addicts take anti depression meds is that not clean either ?
I was able to quit once. I'll try to look back so many times to figure out how I was able to do it. I feel like the only answer I have is to put yourself in a position to where you have to get off. And what I mean by that is if you're able to quit taking it and go stay out of town with someone long enough to get through the bad part of the withdrawals. I was able to quit after I lost my job and got a dwi. I knew I was screwed at that point and I could not spend money on going back to the doctor and I had lost my medication in the car when they took it for my DWI. So for about 3 weeks I had a few small pieces broke up all at the house and I'll wean myself off. I was pretty much in the home stretch and then wait for was coming up and the fear of truly quitting set in and I went back to my appointment like an idiot. Keep in mind at this point I was almost done pretty much. I was taking literal crumbs of pieces every other day or every two days and sometimes I would skip four or five days between. Hope this helps I know it's kind of vague but all I can tell you is to put yourself in a position to where you have to force yourself to quit due to a life circumstance. My buddy was so keen on quitting that he was going to taper himself off and join the the army. Do you want to join the army but even more he wanted to get off the Subutex. And he knew that if he went to basic training and got on that bus there would be no turning back and there would be no access to anything like that. That's why I was telling you if you can put yourself in a position to get out of town just for even two and a half to three weeks long enough to really get out of your system it's uphill from that point. And I don't mean it's a smooth ride. I just mean the worst part is over. You'll have to deal with some cravings and breakthrough withdrawal but it's not bad. Hope the best for you.
You have perhaps switched one addiction for another but buying dope or fentanyl off the streets is much more expensive, much less safe, much less reliable and overall a worse option I think, aside from getting you high if it's not methadone.
Whether you're addicted to a substance such as alcohol and drugs or an addictive behavior such as gambling our rageaholic or Shopaholic oh you're addicted to perfectionism addiction is never about the substitute other Behavior addicted to it is about the obsessive compulsive thoughts that drive the adicts belief system that convinces them but they need to consume marijuana or drink or be a perfectionist whatever their Obsession happens to be to try to feel the emptiness addiction causes
Suboxone has kept me clean for over a decade. Never going off it! I am happy and stable! Tell your sponsor and NA to go to school and get a degree in Psychology
good luck. suboxone half life is like 2 days. you'll never quit. it's a drug that should be easier to get than anything else. because you'll be on it forever. good luck to those who try to quit this expensive drug that's a money grab for pharma companies and pharmacies.
@@sassysucculent6291 I agree it takes a solid mindset of truly wanting to quit. There can be no half measures. If you can put that in your mind and fight through the withdrawals for a couple weeks you can quit. I was able to quit once in my 12 plus years of being on it. I made it about 22 days but my appointment was coming up and I was scared to finally cut the strings because I knew if I did not show up to my appointment that would be truly it and it would be done with and if I couldn't make it, then I wouldn't be able to get back in my doctor. So I got scared and went back and got right back on them.
that's evil as hell. bruh. especially if you got on Vicodin originally for broken back and then was put on oxy then taken off and did heroin for 6 months before getting help with suboxone and living a clean life and paying more taxes than you prob do.
Was on prescribed Oxycontin for 18 months. Wanted to get clean. Was prescribed Suboxone. Really helped with withdrawal from opioids. But I asked my self, "Why be addicted to an opioid that does not give a high?" So I started tapering off after a couple months. Let me tell you, you can taper off Suboxone down to the smallest amounts but it won't really lessen the ultimate withdrawal symptoms. 3 weeks of feeling like s**t. 4-6 months of fatigue and depression.
Her opinion on suboxone is wrong U r not switching one drug for another Suboxone is a partial opiate U dont get high It has a half life much longer than other opiates U dont constantly need to take more and more of it, as it has a ceiling effect at 24 mg of bup. Addiction is a chronic disease, lasting for ever U were already addicted, the suboxone turns u human again Your doctor prescribes u 30 day supply Unlike methadone where u got to be at a clinic daily Suboxone was the best thing to ever happen to me I was dumpster diving and sleeping with dudes for drugs Suboxone is the reason why i am alive and doing well
I get what she is saying it’s def switching from 1 drug to the next. I been on Suboxone for almost 10years. And i hate it with a passion ! Yes it saved my life but now im addicted to it i need it every single day of my life. It caused me to be depressed all the time, lazy, tired & in the summer time i sweat like im 300 pounds and i only weigh 150. I hate that my body depends on it & i tried to cut down but it was painful. I just wish i would of never took it for this long or got addicted to them…….😢💔
@@Bonesph i take 1 strip a day im saying i dnt wanna take it at ALL & i did try to taper & i have i used to take like 2-3 pieces a day. But it started to mess with me mentally like i felt like i was going krazy so i taper dwn now i only take 1 a day. Half in the morning & the other half at night.
Avoid using QUICK MD they do not work with the doctors you are ONLY a 99$ fee to their corporate goal of greed and taking advantage of your addiction. They do not train nor do they care about you as an actual patient which is so critical when it comes to your sobriety. I know from experience. So please if you are going to use an online service just use a different service as they are the absolute worse.
All the soap in the world can’t get her clean. Christa came to me one time looking for that fix, I told her I wasn’t accepting cash…. I made her boyfriend watch. That child is mine btw.
If it’s wasn’t for suboxone I was of definitely died thanks for making subs truly saved my life
Naltrexone could have done the same thing with no addiction for the medicine
@@derekc2042 no it wouldn’t it would make him go get some smack to fix that w/d is what that would do … naltrexone doesn’t really do much if your doing good enough stuff anyways
Your tripping now your on that for god knows how long and when you decide to stop you will withdrawal from suboxon don’t let them fool you by saying it’s just like blood thinners 😅😅
@@derekc2042 it’s too bad he didn’t die, he’s still an addict.
Naltrexone is good when your close to getting off suboxone, for like cravings and withdrawal from subs
I'm literally weaning down off Subs right now (at 2mg) after 7 years and doing good. Its helped me change my life fir the better. I know it can be somewhat controversial between addicts, but I feel it does far FAAARRR more good than bad, and it has its negatives of course, but as far as pros, it allows addicts to establish a positive, and regular life routine, to separate from and cut off negative influences/dealers subsequently removing your access to other drugs, it deals with cravings without getting you high(for the most part, it IS an opioid), it prevents addicts from being able to be effected by any other opiate for (up to*) 72 hours after 1 regular dose, it's very safe compared to other opiates and it's subjectively easier to wean and stop than other opiates. It's so much better for an addict to be on Suboxone, it's chemically almost perfectly designed for treating opiate addiction in every way. It's biggest con, ironically, is simply that its an opioid itself and is addictive.
down to .5mg per day but still when my script runs out i'm just as miserable as when (if not more miserable) than when i was on heroin for only 8 months of my life. been on suboxone on and off for 14 yrs. it's not gotten easier at all to obtain or try to quit.
@@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286 ill give u some advice. go see a sub doctor for like a year or two. get the biggest dose from him as possible and take like 1/8 or 1/16 of the dose prescribed and save the rest, after stock piling them for a year or two you will be set for years to come
@@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286 omg dude I went through this today it took until 8pm for me to get my subs I am down to only 2MGs after three years of taking 8mg. I usually take it before work around 5-6am and didn’t have it till 8pm and started kicking at work around 11pm I felt terrible I didn’t know only 2mg can make u feel this bad if u don’t have it. I’m quitting this for sure I was very close to getting some hop today in San Francisco lol. I’m happy I didn’t tho
@@dukenukem7043 exactly what I used to do until
They started testing me how much of suboxone I got in my system
@@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286 but then I’m nervous if I get off will I use again? I’m from Afghanistan to keep it real and we’re users it’s normal out there I mean it’s frowned upon of course after the USA came and afghans got knowledge of what it actually does to u but before that we literally used it for pain or when we’d go to war for injuries like huge black bags full of heroin I couldn’t believe my eyes I moved from there to USA at least here they help you in my country u would get hung and they just kill u and call u useless if you use. I’m jus nervous if I get off will I use again. It’s scary to thing of. I’m naturally a hectic full of anxiety person
I have one under my toungue right now.
Same lol
Me too.
Edit- I’ve been on this medication for 8 years. My life has done a total 180. Suboxone saved my life. It’s saved my freedom. I was able to complete parol, pay off my child support arrears, significantly improve my credit score, etc.
@@kgg293how many mgs are you on? I’m now down to 1/4 of a strip. It’s really small dose
Life is soooooo manageable on subs its crazy weather it's good or bad it changes your life
I've been on Suboxone since Spring 2015 after over five years of addiction including fentanyl addiction. If it weren't for Suboxone I would likely be dead. It takes away all cravings, let's me feel normal- not like an addict. I have been sober from everything except my RX's since 6/26/15, that includes no alcohol.
Good job man, am on subs myself and they saved my life. Keep up the good work
Suboxone is a drug
Suboxone has 88%of drugs
Ritalin has 45% of drugs
I'm working on weaning down now, it's tough, but I'm trying really hard to do it right
Hey brotha.. that’s good & encouraging to read. I’ve been an addict since 2011 & just started boxin’ a couple days ago. It honest to god truth took my withdrawals away. I haven’t felt like using since hours before I started my prescription. No lie I want to get off it as soon as possible though, it gives me weird side effects.
The prejudice against mat is terrible. This medication has saved tons of lives. But ignorance and guilt trips is what causes people to not understand WHY this treatment method works. Clean for four years. And where I live, I have read comments from about 100 other people who have gotten off of street drugs, and stayed off. For years, and many people, indefinitely. The only problem now, is insurance companies refusing to cover it, so when people start working, they cannot afford it. That is a problem. But for her to be ashamed is not right.
wait till your teeth start falling apart
@@active.7universal wth, bro I been on subs now for 3 years and the other day out of nowhere my tooth chipped and it was my upper back tooth so those teeth are super strong but bam jus broke n fell. Is it cause subs? I started off taking 8MG the most for 3 years and now I am on 2mg. Cutting it lower and lower and the kick feels like hop
@@AfG_313 probably from sub//I've been on 3 years and couple my teeth are feeling the effects /part of 1 tooth actually fell apart at the gum line while brushing /literally have a hole in the tooth
@@AfG_313 I’ve been taking subs for ten years and I haven’t had any problems with my teeth whatsoever.
can confirm, have been clean off street opiates since 2012 after a decade of running around and wasting time. I still run into bumps in the road and I am clearly an ex addict but I am in no way staying on opiates 24/7. also if your teeth are chipping you need to consume more food and more water and vitamins. most likely caused by sugar
My only fear, is the subutex suddenly disappearing from the market. As long as I take two each morning, I live a pretty darn normal and awesome life when I have time with my kids. I'm working on new hobbies to fill time when I'm not with them, but even when I'm alone and depressed, the last thing I'm thinking about is getting high.
I'd be dead without suboxone. If the drugs didn't kill me, the depression would have.
Man, 20 year addict here. Tried Suboxone for a long time and everything else. While Suboxone is an absolutely life saving medication, I'm just gonna say it. I wasn't free from addiction until the day I became free from the threat of withdrawal, which Suboxone withdrawal is exponentially worse than illict opioids. I am now 7 years clean off ALL mind altering substances and my life has fundamentally changed. I went from nothing to a career in commercial real-estate development, I operate a recovery house, and am on the Board of Directors of the largest non-profit in the my state certifying recovery residences.
I am a free man today. Truly free ❤
God bless and glad u are doing good Josh 👍👍
@MichaelOBrien71 God is good my man. I appreciate you 🙏
So spot on. The withdrawals from Suboxone are horrendous. Docs never mentioned that.
The only people that can say anything negative or the people that who have you ever had to deal with this disease! It is only something you can understand if you have been through it! I am 10 years total 7 years without Sub! God bless you and I wish you the best and you can do it! I am living proof!!! Remember it's not easy stay strong get it done!
Saved my life.
am ~10days on it after a very, very bad fentanyl and heroin addiction. i feel its saving my life too.
I have been on pain med's a long time and being in recovery (alcohol) over thirty years I have felt guilt. I went on bupe in a clinical trial and it was not like other opioid meds but after a year I weaned off just to prove it to myself but the pain was still there and after trying to tough it out I went back on bupe (not suboxone just subutex) and I am okay with it as is my sponsor . I know what escaping is and this is not escape. It is a tool and I am happy it is there.
Lawsuit on that drug, will destroy your teeth, and cancer
I love her little mouse ears
Suboxone saved my life. I used to eat 400mg+ OxyContin a day. Probably would’ve ended up on dope, and probably would have ODed over time. People who say Suboxone is the same as heroin or a crutch are idiots and completely out of touch with reality.
Do you know somebody who has died as a result of fetanyl laced dope? Well, if they were taking Suboxone, they’d still be with us.
I have a BA, a Master’s Degree, taught Special Ed for 7 years and am an RF engineer and living a completely normal life. I still take Suboxone to this day, and will continue to do so. It’s not the fear of getting off it and withdrawing, it’s the fear that I will relapse and die. Suboxone doesn’t make you high, doesn’t make you nod off, all it does is satisfies all cravings for opiates - and alcohol. Since starting Suboxone over 10 years ago, I haven’t had the urge to drink once. I am stone cold sober, to the point where some days I even forget to take it. Yeah, it sucks to have to commute to a doctor every 4 weeks, but at the end of the day, it is entirely worth it.
If you are on pills or dope and you want to live, Suboxone will save your life.
You might want to rethink that suboxa get you hi just tricks you to think you not kills your dopamine and kills everything else inside of you takes balls to drop suboxine it numbs you kills your truth manifestation power !! Try stopping it will nock your sucks of the ground not so much the physical but the mental part
The same people who in 1996 came out with the "New non-addictive" pain killer Oxycontin. Are now getting paid twice.
@@catman4242 you clearly don’t understand. Once again, had all those who’ve overdosed and died on heroin or fetanyl been taking Suboxone, they’d still be alive today. Suboxone’s half life is far, far longer than OxyContin. They aren’t even the same drug. I’ve been on Suboxone for well over 10 years and, seeing as you clearly didn’t read my original comment, I live a perfectly normal and productive life.
I was taking subutex for two years. And was on methadone for 35 yrs. Don’t know what happened. One day I got tired of taking subutex and cut from 16 mg to 8 mg in one day. I’ve been on 4 mgs for a week without any symptoms
Don’t know why. Can’t anyone explain. I believe addiction receptors are in the gut and brain. If you deal with your gastric issues you have half the battle won.
Love all
That's due to the nature of suboxone. You may not feel much of anything till you get to 2MG and below.
Best of luck to you.
The receptors are in the brain.
Robert knows what he’s talking about … we have a main nerve running from the brain around the organs to the stomach. When your on opiates that nerve is suppressed which is why our breathing slows & sleep changes & appetite ect. That’s why when you w/d it all goes to crap. Robert I have hopped on & off multiple times from all types of opiates & for some reason sometimes you do get lucky & w/d is not nearly as bad.. Maybe just the sweats & feeling blah but other times it’s like hell within hours & your sicker than a dog . Not sure why we get lucky sometimes but I always am grateful for it
congrats hope it is still going well!! That's awesome.
That's cause you reach a ceiling with subs. Your body is saturated with it and doesn't know the difference between 4/8/16 because it's absorbed as much as it can after a certain amount. The one guys right about 2mg. When you start to go below that it gets rough. You'll be looking onward to your doses more. I remember get down to .5mgs and I could never just stop it. So I switched to kratom and been on that shit for the past 6 years. Was on subs for 7 years before that. I daydream about what it was like to feel life in the past because I'm just numb all the time. I started heavy drinking when I was 19 and since then I've never truly been sober in about 16 years.
Wait till you get to zero , then it’s hell on earth 🌍
I’ve been in subs since 2012, 12 years! Way harder to come off of then my doc, pain pills, this drug has changed me for the worst and it’s damn near impossible to get off of.
I’ve been on Subs for almost a year but it makes me not able to breathe normally. It’s like never being able to get a full breath . It’s absolutely terrible.
You’re either on way too much or developing an allergy to it. Find a different suboxone provider if they won’t listen to your concerns. That’s a serious reaction.
100 what the guy above me said!!! my cousin has the same issue and she had to get switched to buprenorphine without the naloxone but I do not suggest that unless you are far enough or strong enough to make that decision and the decisions that come afterwards! God bless best wishes
Thanks for the tips . I tried taking Benadryl with it and it actually seems to help for a little while.
God Bless this woman 🙏 may she continue to be the best she can be!!
being on suboxone is like a vacation compared to being on opiates. i personaly think they should make buprenorphine more accessible to people at this moment buprenorphine is only given to people in the ER, pain patients and the methadone clinic
And it's also ridiculous people say it's like doing a bag of dope I tell them it's not even close and this comes mostly from people who never been addicted to heroin I look at them dead in the eyes and say not even close believe that
it is a substitute medication that causes its own withdrawal and everything and the withdrawal can be extended and compounded a bit but it definitely works for long term heroin addiction but be careful cuz it will make you complacent and ruin your teeth from not brushing and flossing. I learned a lot about the damn medicine after 10 years of being on it, glad I am finally off of it because I can't live that way anymore but when I took it I found out I couldn't swallow it because it just caused all these negative side effects like terrible constipation, nausea and bad metabolism problems. Best way to take it is just holding it in your mouth then spitting it out. But real talk if you've never been on heroin for more than a week or so its literally not necessary and something like kratom can be used instead. Being stuck on sub forever fucking sucks it actually messes with your coordination as well.@@jasondonellan776
@@jasondonellan776Truth
Let her stay on it. It keeps her life normal trust me.
yes. i have been on it over a week now and it actually helps.
@@petersennejohnson2615I just started. I'm getting the shot next week. How are you doing ?
I did opiates for 7yrs, I've now been on Subs for 7yrs, & I have a regular life now, except I can definitely feel the long-term side effects playing out in my body & mind. I sure do appreciate it, I feel like I would've died had I not gotten it, especially since it helped me quit opiates just before the importation of phentanyl from China to Mexico & then into the U.S. I wish I could get off the subs, but it would absolutely destroy the routine that I've been able to build with it. It's mostly the methods by which it is available. Meaning, I go to doctor, once a month, & they prescribe it, & then I pick it up, all for free (because I'm native American & living in the right area). I don't have to chase the pills/H, I don't have to spend tons of $$$ on both the drug & that gas to find it. Don't have to waste the hours looking for it, don't have to be around those people. Don't have to do anything illegal, so never in jail. Don't ever miss work. So there's alotta benefits & alotta specific things that had to fall into place perfectly for me to even be able to get it. When I first switched over I didn't have any routine, & no job, so I wouldn't have been able to pay for the script, & this hospital didn't even have a Suboxone program, I was being treated for hepatitis, which was another free thing the Indians paid for, almost $100k worth of pills, don't ask me why they should cost so much, I guess to pay off the research it took to make it...? Anyway, I was actually the first person in a program that made ght have started because I casually mentioned to my doctor that I bought subs off the street to try to quit, she took it to the board & they approved it, & she became the lead person in charge of the program, called me back in & I started it regularly (every day, same amount), & that's what finally made me feel confident enough to not need the harder real opiates ever again, although, I was thinking if everything was the exact same, but they replaced the subs with H or pills, I think I would be doing just as well, actually I'd be doing better, because H & pills gave me MASSIVE amounts of energy, to do lots of manual labor, & since I'm a contractor that equals more money, because after taking subs for 7yrs I have basically NO energy, NO motivation, NO ambition, I never go out of the house, other than to work, occasionally. Yeah, I kinda just wish they'd prescribe the actual drugs, I've already destroyed my mind & body. By all definitions I should actually be dead, so just let me take the real sh*t. I'll still g t on with my life, & I'll make more $ for my family before I really do kick the bucket. Who's it gonna hurt? Just apply all the normal rules we apply to alcohol, don't get f'd up & drive....that's about it really.
I think she’s annoyed because she expected suboxone to get her off
BINGO. If she hates it so much and it's just one drug for another, why doesn't she just get back on Heroin. She was doing as good on that, judging by the fact she was in the back of a ambulance.. Maybe she is tired of family judging her though..
Nicely done reporting
Subs saved my life.
key is small dose for short period of time PERIOD
There’s no confusion. Doctors push Suboxone like a drug pusher pushes heroin.
You have to physically go to a Suboxone doctor to have Suboxone pushed on you. If you tell them you want other medication that isn't narcotic they will more than willingly give it to you. You sound like the type of person that blames others for your actions.
It's the EXACT same thing as the overprescribing of the "New non addictive pain alternative...Oxycontin." that they used to push.
Only people who hate on this are the ones who have not had to deal with this addiction or had to deal with the addiction from the other end cuz when I was doing the stupid s***you wouldn't even have a phone left in your house to even do what you're doing with your comments!!! I'm glad you have never had to deal with it I don't wish it upon my worst enemy but I'm telling you right now if you had someone that you love let alone yourself go through it you would absolutely appreciate this or you would understand what I am saying about trying to find your personal belongings! This is not me being crude or radical this is me explaining what people have been through and keep going through from one side or the other! No matter what God bless live life to the fullest... Also I will say it again I would not be where I am without it! I am just over 10 years total 7 years without Suboxone! You really have to work at it no matter what but without that three-year period that I had with this medication it would've never happened! This is for everyone out there who sees comments like the one that I am replying to just understand it's possible and get it done! As long as you need to until you can walk on your own two by yourself with no BS
I mean use it to get off opiates etc but i def wouldn't take subs long term then u gotta WD from it
I know this girl !! She lives in Canton??
I hope she is still strong and doing well. I wouldn't wish opiate addiction on my worst enemy. It's torture. I myself take Suboxone, and in my opinion the good side far outweighs the bad side of Suboxone. But she is dead right, I sure am sick of taking it.
There is always hope !! If you truly want to get off , you can ,it’s possible I did my self I was on them for 4 years and I been clean for 3 months now first 8 days were hell but then it got better every day :)
@@MemyselfI-tt9uc To be totally honest, I have gone through opiate withdrawals and stayed clean for long periods of time without using Suboxone, or methadone many times, but I always end up crawling back. I will likely be on Suboxone for many years to come. If I taper off Suboxone, I know It won't be long before I'm back to self-medicating on opiates. At least I can have somewhat of a normal life taking Suboxone. The easy part is getting clean, the hardest part is staying clean. Congrats on your 3 months being clean, stay strong.
! I Totally know what you mean because it took me couple tries to get fully clean off opiates my self I was using even when I was taking subs so no judgment I know how it is ! But I pray that you overcome them one day because it’s so worth it I took me 4 years to man up and go thru the withdrawals and I know one day you will wake up ready to get of just stay clean and strong 💪!!!
I can totally relate. However, it’s far far better and a far better life for that matter to use Suboxone rather than to be stuck using heavy opiates with all the consequences and complications involved. I wonder if the only way off Suboxone is through blood transfusion and monitor detox?
I also wondered what other way to get off subs besides the slow taper. I have read alot about the taper and my conclusion is the longer your on subs the longer it takes to jump off them. I been on subs for 1 month and I’m getting ready to start a taper but oh Dr wants me to be stable and comfortable on the dose and then we’ll start a taper I just don’t want to be on subs for years no way! But I have heard some great stories on people that been on them for years and even decades that got off them with a slow taper one day at a time!
The only Way off of all of this garbage is to change your life. Go to a meeting
@@rudyferrell what do you think people are subs are doing? They are definitely going in the right direction. Meetings no meetings
@svtkilr yeah but people stay on them for way too long. It's no way to live, trust me I know better than anyone. As long as someone is on on subs or methadone then they're still using is my point. It's not being clean
@@rudyferrell Sorry bro it is being clean if it keeps people off of what is the root reason why they got on them then yes they are clean but everyone is entitled to their own opinion I’ll take being on subs for a short period of time than having to do any other drugs How long were you on subs for or still are ?
I've been on Suboxone for almost 10 years & please take my word for it; this med eventually puts everyone in a fog. You become a shell of yourself & lose the urge to do _anything_ that once gave you pleasure. I'm not talking about drugs I'm talking about showering like your supposed to, wanting to hang with friends or even go outside on general etc This med changes your personality over time. This med is not meant to be used long term that's for sure..
I’ve been on subs for around 5 years now and I agree with you. I don’t ever go out or do anything. I don’t want to leave my house. I want off this shit so bad and it’s not easy.
Wow this explains a lot. This is exactly what I deal with and I could never figure out why. They keep telling me it’s my depression etc. I want off of it so bad. It’s a double edge sword because I wouldn’t have stopped using without it and be as far as I am but I’ve also been on suboxone for way too long imo.
@@cherylb_88 me too, Cheryl. I wish there support groups for people that want off suboxone.
No joke I 100% know what you're saying. I've been on Subutex for pushing 12 years now or more. When I first started it within the first four or five years I was fine. But these last couple years for some reason I feel like I'm floating through life with no direction. I can't even describe it. I used to love going to the doctor and knowing that I had my medication to be there as my crutch and now every time it's time for me to go back I am disgusted and angry. I don't even remember what it feels like to feel normal. I know this isn't it. I can't really feel much of anything while on this medication. I guess it's different for everyone. But I'm hoping I can make the push to get off in the next year.
This medication is meant for _hardcore_ drug users. Ones who used heroin or fentanyl etc. Not for Norco's like myself & the doctor I went to who first prescribed it should of told me that! He should of told me to put my big girl panties on & go home & lay on the couch for the next 2 weeks & you'll be fine. Instead, I get put on a med that is 25x stronger then fentanyl ever could be but controlled enough so you won't overdose.
I've tapered off this med once before & it's _no fucking joke!_ I lasted 2.5 months & gave in. Even after 75 days I still had no urge to move from the couch! I was prescribed 24mg for 7 years & switched to an addiction Dr for the last 3 & he will only give 16mg daily. The only benefit is since he's an addiction specialist, my Suboxone is free & my state insurance pays the visit. But I'm going to be 100% honest here, I'm addicted to this medication. Some days I take more then the 16mg for "energy" but it's all in my damn head & it leaves me short the last few days before I go back in. I haven't had any meds now for 4 days & I feel like pure shit. I haven't left my bed in 3 days. It's 11:11p now & my appts @ 9:30a thankfully.
It doesn’t matter if it only gets 1 person off opioids that’s 1 more person than just doing nothing has done
It’s okay but not the best solution it’s not easy to get off subs as well
It is, all you do is taper down by 2mg a week fuck sake
@@frasercheyne8332That's awesome if it wasn't hard for you, you must be really strong(not sarcastic) but being totally fair, it's different for everybody, but it is difficult. It's subjectively easier to quit and wean than almost every other opiate, but it's no cakewalk by any stretch unless you wear "PERFECTLY". I'm doing it now, down to 2mg and tip-toeing down by little bits every couple days. It seemingly gets a little easier the lower I get though.
@@ryohio4706 get on kratom when u cold turkey
@@dukenukem7043 ive taken kratom a bunch in my time of taking subs,, it would probably work a lot better at a lower tolerance, but kratom sucks if you have a decent tolerance whatsoever, especially to something as strong as buprenorphine.
@@frasercheyne8332 yeah I got to agree with the others. What's easy for you may not be easy for others. Not only that but other people could be dealing with secondary mental problems or stresses/anxiety. I do agree that tapering down is definitely the way to go but thank you have to be in the right mindset and truly want to quit.
Don't you think it's interesting that they make it so very hard to get suboxon? It needs to be free to all that want it. In the meantime thousands are dying everyday.
Suboxone?Heroin? 🤔Suboxone definitely isn’t for everyone but it has saved my life and if you had 2 choices. Which would u choose to see your loved one taking?? She was sitting in her living not laying in the back of an ambulance. So something is working.
Suboxone saved my life
Good luck getting off the subs then the withdrawal is worse than any other drug and I know I've been on them for 7 years and they don't help you get off them my test haven't came back normal in months no other test was done to see y and I was waking up sick feeling like I'm dieing so I'm getting off them myself
im down to 4mg daily . from 24 its a long road. now heroin and meth free. i hope more ppl get clean. its a great feeling.
It helps for alcoholism too.
It’s only a partial opioid, some people will still get wd for a few days. It won’t work for everyone some people need methadone a full opioid. Especially if they are in pain.
Yeah and I had huge issues with nausea and headaches with it, you never feel 'normal ' obviously if it works for a lot of people I am not knocking their experiences. All I am saying is that it definitely doesn't agree with everyone and I have reached normality with methadone, haven't used street drugs in 20 years and have no drug associated 'friends' anymore. I have been on for such a long time, since the mid seventies with gaps when I had my kids, but had a partner who used throughout so always went back after pregnancies and breast feeding. I don't have the partner any more and don't even think about street drugs.
I been clean for 11 yrs on Suboxone but as much as I am proud of myself I feel the same way. Trapped!
A close family member of mine has been taking this for years and it’s saved his life frankly
True it saves you from the streets, But you're still dependent on a substance. You're not getting down to the root of the problem.
@@rudyferrellit saves you from death by overdose, not just the streets. Subs were never meant for the root cause, that's what therapy is for. Suboxone allows a person to function and feel normal so they can go about their life without chasing another drug so they don't feel sick.
I'm wanted off sobozone and I no it helps but it doesn't help with pain and gain Alot of weight and I want off the sobozone so tell me what to do
Just get off
@@tanyaperales6681 easier said than done I have tried number of times I done five days one time and when I was in the store shopping All at once I got sick and started puking in the store I couldn't help it I felt like I was going to die and I was sweating I felt bad and It doesn't help my pain anyway I started taking it when I couldn't get no more pills but it done me more harm than good I gained about fifty pounds and I'm constipated I can't concentrate ur right though just stop I'm fine the first few days and after OMG 😱 it's bad I have no energy or anything
Some people stay on it forever saved my life but you gotta workout and keep busy I didn’t gain weight or anything
@@tanyaperales6681shut up you dork get a life
Cut back to where your taking almost nothing
I always find it funny when people are on suboxone or methadone and consider themselves "clean".
I've tried pregabalin and it's really helpful, it's a long term medication.
I was on methadone 145mg drank a day. Switched to Suboxone extremely hard the first few days but I'm way better now. I started having all sorts of strange health issues on methadone.
It works if you take it as prescribed. Unfortunately I ran out early and don't know what to do.
I was a heroin & cocaine addict IV shooting for 10 years off and on mostly on I’ve died 3 times went to 10 30 day rehabs at least 40 sober homes and Jesus and Suboxone saved my life
A hosti on your tongue and a Suboxone below it.
Additionally the sad part about addiction is even after a period of clean time of sobriety if a person happens to pick up they don't pick up where they left off they pick up where they would have been if they had never stopped in the first place because addiction is a continuing and Progressive illness which ends are always the same jails institutions and death
No, a person picks up as if they never stopped
Has she tried to take lower dosages to wing down?
wean.. not wing
Suboxone is a bully I was on it for one month and fought my way off for a year The hellish long lasting withdrawals absolutely horrendous had I known I would’ve never done it
What amount did you stop taking it at? 4-8mg?
agreed. my ex idiot boyfriend went to jail and detoxed from heroin in 1 week & looked happy as a lark in jail when i visited him. meanwhile, 6 yrs later, I've been stuck on suboxone. paying $250 a month cash to obtain. no wonder ppl stay on street drugs. I could just go out to the city and get anything but have to make an appointment, spend $250, wait for Rx to be filled (some pharmacies give you shit and don't fill it) and then pay cash for the suboxone. wish i'd gone to jail too.
Hey I was on it for a year . How long do you think I will be withdrawaling for ? I’ve been clean from subs 7 months and still don’t feel right but I almost feel 100%
@@komrad51st it's such a complicated question, so many things to take into account,, your drug use history, your soecific brain chemistry, personality, length of time using. But you'll probably slowly feel better and better over a 1.5-2 year period(that's a guess), but your well on your way. If there's one thing I KNOW helps 100% forsure is stimulating your natural endorphin system through exercise, amongst other things, like take a multi-vitamin, eat somewhat healthy, avoid stress(the best you can,lol).
@@ryohio4706 you think it would take that long even if I only used for a year ? I mean I do feel almost 100% at 7 1/2 months . I’m scared to feel like shit for that long
Call out to Jesus ask for baptism of His Holy spirit read your Bible it got me sober
What is this doctors name. ?? I want his patients name too. Its a modern day Lobotomy.
Suboxone sublingual films cause dental problems/caries! Please consider using anything else except the sublingual films as the high acidity of the product is horrible! Many people are now sent to addiction protocols which keep patients addicted in another way! They only switched the meds, not the resulting ongoing problem which affects the patient for life!
Titration by doctors is too quick and too severe, it should be half the time you spent on meds to properly titrate off them.
User for 10 years... slowly titrate off for 5 or 3. Below 3 is asking for trouble.😢😮
Is dumb to think I can take suboxone for a week to help with the withdrawal from Percocet and then get off the suboxone?
Yes. Unless you like acute withdrawal. Get on a suboxone program. It saved my life, I paid my house off.
25!? She looks 45!
Suboxone is torture to withdrawing
Yea but suboxone has really nasty side effects. I’ve been on for about 9 months in in the process of weaning down. I hate the side effects subs give me
I think I know her from somewhere!
Young people are dying on the streets of the USA like a plague has hit them. It’s insane ! If you don’t want someone you love to die, get them on suboxone. Fast !!!
Its pride and peoples opinions telling people not to take it. An addict need only ask, is it saving my life? Then you can ask, has my life improved? Mine has improved in my relationships, job, financial situation, and mental health as well as saving my life. No shame in it.
I have been on the sub 19 years. I am 48 years old. I got an education and a good Job. A lovely wife and 3 Kids all born after my sub treatment started. I have many friends who went of the subs. Many of them are dead of o.d, many struggle with their relapses and some have mange to get of the sub. I have many time dreamt of getti getting of the sub. BUT I do not want to find out the hard way I was not up for the task. Once a H addict, always a H addict.
Yep you're hooked on one or the other until you break one or the other. Coming off Buprenorphine is incredibly difficult but so are opiates.
Im stuck on the Fetynal.. suboxone made me SUPER sick... SUPER SUPER SUPER sick
If you really think it's just switching one drug for another, go get back on heroin..
Even after being treated like i had the plague while i got clean, i fell like they treat me worse now that im weaning of suboxone. Which i had to initiate myself because they refused to believe it was rotting my teeth. Guess who's currently in a multi billion dollar lawsuit?
I didn't relapse once and did everything right and was treated worse and worse. No wonder the epidemic only grows worse.
No one is forcing you to take any medication. Doctors can recommend, but the choice is always the patients, and with exceedingly rare exceptions for very infectious diseases or public health risks, you are free to cut down and stop any medication. You can even refuse quick, safe and life saving treatments like a few days of antibiotics for a severe infection.
You did not end up on Suboxone because some docs jumped out from behind a tree and made you take it….there was a reason, and you are free to not refill the prescription or wean down. The staff may not be thrilled about weaning, but remember they watch 100 people try to wean, and only see 1 or 2 succeed…so it’s hard for them to be super enthusiastic about another attempt to wean, but any good doc supports that the lowest dose that works is best, even if very tiny.
It can be done, gradually, especially at the end and may just gradually space out the time between doses, but many swear they will get off and give in after 3-4 weeks of being nonfunctional.
She'll never be satisfied, so don't hold your breath.
Everyone struggles past 2 mg it's a nightmare
So don’t take more than 2 to start w/
I'm currently rooming with a woman who spends at LEAST 20 hours in bed all day on SUBOXONE. It's NO cure, it's a junkies excuse for another addiction. I'll be moving out soon. This drug is annoying ASF because the addict thinks they're not using. I didn't know she was going to be comatose the whole time or I would not have agreed to share expenses. Give me a pothead ANY day of the week 😉
Wow smh
Suboxone does not get you high at all. Her body is probably adjusting. Not making excuses for her and I understand your frustrations esp bc rent is hella high. Although I know u don't care and see everyone here as junkies so you say. But she's getting the help she needs. Move out if u feel u need to. She making the first step to better her life.
Yes, I'm an opiate addict.. I'm a Suboxone addict. It has its advantages, but I'm no better or worse than any other junkie.
Subs, taken orally, as prescribed, get me higher than any other opiate I had taken prior.
Then you shouldn't be on them...I've never once felt "high" from suboxone and only people with little to no opiate tolerance get high from it. It's meant to stabilize you, not get you loaded. Methadone does cause a high even for people with an opiate tolerance, but for people (like me) who actually need suboxone we simply feel stabilized on it, not high.
I slammed REAL heroin for almost 6 years (before fentanyl was in anything), and when I couldn't get dope I'd make poppy seed tea or get morphine IR pills and diladiud from a friend's grandma, if you've ever experienced any of those opiates I think you'd take back your statement about "suboxone getting you higher than any other opiate you've tried"
I've taken subs after a long break and the "high" you're referring to isn't even that good, it's just super long lasting but the Euphoria is nothing compared to real opiates, it just feels like you took too much kratom for 24 hours when you have no sub tolerance and take a lot, I'd love to feel this crazy high you talk about.
How many milligrams do you take?! I never felt high on Suboxone.
@@jennifermaida585 between 5-8/day for almost 2yrs.. Get extremely high.
and yes, I used to take morphine IR and dilaudid IR all time. This is way stronger.
@@Syne111 It's one of the strongest opioids next to Fentanyl products, but I can't imagine you are getting high off them after the long of a period.
@@Bonesph Why won't you just take my word for it? Maybe we're just built differently.
I am taking my prescribed 8mg/daily now since my tolerance slowly increased, but I nod every day. I have no reason to lie to you.
Suboxone gets me extremely high after almost 2yrs of taking it.
It is not easier to wean of than other opiates much harder sticks to the receptors like superglue
but once it's out of the receptors is there a difference?
@@robertmugler5436 I can only talk from personal experience when you go through the acute withdrawal period from heroin after about a week of purgatory you start fee
@@robertmugler5436 better suboxone withdrawal is a different kettle of fish it can take months of lethargy and depression i do not recommend it
@@andrewcampbell6883 oh no. I have been on it since 2015 and am starting to want to taper. I am looking into kratom.
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The sublocade shot is an easy way to get off Suboxone
I’ve heard this
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You can give the money to big pharma courtesy of tax payers in half the cases or you can give it to the cartel. Up to you Jack
She looks like 16 years old! Not 29.
If anybody is on suboxone is not clean,clean is with no medication zero then you clean.
So would u rather someone be high with a needle in their arm or take 2 tablets a day and be productive to society ? Addicts take anti depression meds is that not clean either ?
I hate this medicine I’ve been stuck for 15 years on it trying over and over to taper off !
I was able to quit once. I'll try to look back so many times to figure out how I was able to do it. I feel like the only answer I have is to put yourself in a position to where you have to get off. And what I mean by that is if you're able to quit taking it and go stay out of town with someone long enough to get through the bad part of the withdrawals. I was able to quit after I lost my job and got a dwi. I knew I was screwed at that point and I could not spend money on going back to the doctor and I had lost my medication in the car when they took it for my DWI. So for about 3 weeks I had a few small pieces broke up all at the house and I'll wean myself off. I was pretty much in the home stretch and then wait for was coming up and the fear of truly quitting set in and I went back to my appointment like an idiot. Keep in mind at this point I was almost done pretty much. I was taking literal crumbs of pieces every other day or every two days and sometimes I would skip four or five days between. Hope this helps I know it's kind of vague but all I can tell you is to put yourself in a position to where you have to force yourself to quit due to a life circumstance. My buddy was so keen on quitting that he was going to taper himself off and join the the army. Do you want to join the army but even more he wanted to get off the Subutex. And he knew that if he went to basic training and got on that bus there would be no turning back and there would be no access to anything like that. That's why I was telling you if you can put yourself in a position to get out of town just for even two and a half to three weeks long enough to really get out of your system it's uphill from that point. And I don't mean it's a smooth ride. I just mean the worst part is over. You'll have to deal with some cravings and breakthrough withdrawal but it's not bad. Hope the best for you.
15yrs of subs & no fun.. at least you’ve saved money & jailtime ! & maybe death
You have perhaps switched one addiction for another but buying dope or fentanyl off the streets is much more expensive, much less safe, much less reliable and overall a worse option I think, aside from getting you high if it's not methadone.
Why's that dude have a mask on?
Suboxone withdrawal is hell on earth 🌍
Try Kratom
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saved my life
@@tinaferr where do you get it from ?
@@ave8863 any head shop or online
Whether you're addicted to a substance such as alcohol and drugs or an addictive behavior such as gambling our rageaholic or Shopaholic oh you're addicted to perfectionism addiction is never about the substitute other Behavior addicted to it is about the obsessive compulsive thoughts that drive the adicts belief system that convinces them but they need to consume marijuana or drink or be a perfectionist whatever their Obsession happens to be to try to feel the emptiness addiction causes
Suboxone has kept me clean for over a decade. Never going off it! I am happy and stable! Tell your sponsor and NA to go to school and get a degree in Psychology
Wait for the withdrawal from the suboxone that will get rid of the hiccups
they almost got it right...but the nalxone does...NOTHING .no matter how u take it...
good luck. suboxone half life is like 2 days. you'll never quit. it's a drug that should be easier to get than anything else. because you'll be on it forever. good luck to those who try to quit this expensive drug that's a money grab for pharma companies and pharmacies.
It’s doable. It takes a whole lot of will power. Quit after being on it for years. A year off it.
@@sassysucculent6291 I agree it takes a solid mindset of truly wanting to quit. There can be no half measures. If you can put that in your mind and fight through the withdrawals for a couple weeks you can quit. I was able to quit once in my 12 plus years of being on it. I made it about 22 days but my appointment was coming up and I was scared to finally cut the strings because I knew if I did not show up to my appointment that would be truly it and it would be done with and if I couldn't make it, then I wouldn't be able to get back in my doctor. So I got scared and went back and got right back on them.
@@prepordietryin9119 damn that’s sucks relapse is a part of recovery keep trying you’ll be fine
Fentanyl seems to be cleaning up the streets just fine. #Darwinism
i hope your mom gets prescribed oxy and then see how u think
what a disgusting thing to say. i bet you claim to be a christian as well.
Good, squash all those cockroaches
that's evil as hell. bruh. especially if you got on Vicodin originally for broken back and then was put on oxy then taken off and did heroin for 6 months before getting help with suboxone and living a clean life and paying more taxes than you prob do.
@@randomoverpopulatedworldid3286 no one told them to do heroin or abuse a prescription
Being on Suboxone is actually not being Clean, thanks
Yea it pretty much is
She sounds like she's on dope tbh
Getting off subs is brutal, but heroin will kill you.
Was on prescribed Oxycontin for 18 months. Wanted to get clean. Was prescribed Suboxone. Really helped with withdrawal from opioids. But I asked my self, "Why be addicted to an opioid that does not give a high?"
So I started tapering off after a couple months. Let me tell you, you can taper off Suboxone down to the smallest amounts but it won't really lessen the ultimate withdrawal symptoms. 3 weeks of feeling like s**t. 4-6 months of fatigue and depression.
I went on suboxone for 8 months. I became suicidal and checked into a detox. With some Xanax I was off in 1 week
I see people talking about "mat" what is that?
medication assisted treatment
Her opinion on suboxone is wrong
U r not switching one drug for another
Suboxone is a partial opiate
U dont get high
It has a half life much longer than other opiates
U dont constantly need to take more and more of it, as it has a ceiling effect at 24 mg of bup.
Addiction is a chronic disease, lasting for ever
U were already addicted, the suboxone turns u human again
Your doctor prescribes u 30 day supply
Unlike methadone where u got to be at a clinic daily
Suboxone was the best thing to ever happen to me
I was dumpster diving and sleeping with dudes for drugs
Suboxone is the reason why i am alive and doing well
I get what she is saying it’s def switching from 1 drug to the next. I been on Suboxone for almost 10years. And i hate it with a passion ! Yes it saved my life but now im addicted to it i need it every single day of my life. It caused me to be depressed all the time, lazy, tired & in the summer time i sweat like im 300 pounds and i only weigh 150. I hate that my body depends on it & i tried to cut down but it was painful. I just wish i would of never took it for this long or got addicted to them…….😢💔
Have to stop the addiction behaviors!!! Itll never work if u abuse it too.. or think of it that way
Why don't you taper off then? If you are complaining and not down to half a milligram you haven't tried.
@@Bonesph i take 1 strip a day im saying i dnt wanna take it at ALL & i did try to taper & i have i used to take like 2-3 pieces a day. But it started to mess with me mentally like i felt like i was going krazy so i taper dwn now i only take 1 a day. Half in the morning & the other half at night.
Suboxone is a life saver totally changed my life very grateful 🙏
Avoid using QUICK MD they do not work with the doctors you are ONLY a 99$ fee to their corporate goal of greed and taking advantage of your addiction.
They do not train nor do they care about you as an actual patient which is so critical when it comes to your sobriety. I know from experience. So please if you are going to use an online service just use a different service as they are the absolute worse.
All the soap in the world can’t get her clean. Christa came to me one time looking for that fix, I told her I wasn’t accepting cash…. I made her boyfriend watch. That child is mine btw.