@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks he's an adult. He knows he's been given a free pass on Oscar. It doesn't matter why, he knows he has no right to that place after getting an undercut on his teammate. Him being petulant is completely uncalled for. He's not Verstappen or Schumi.
@@Argosh undercuts are not that uncommon for a strategy the only difference here is that, its his teammate and don't get me wrong oscar deserved that win but you can't help but to think that, there's some emotional didecision here so oscar could win his first
And then they send the person in the team in charge of the mistake onto the podium....which was an interesting decision. Obviously a vote of confidence by Andrea Stella, but still......weirrrrrrd.
@@Brossano22 you don't double stack if you have a big lead. You dont want to risk anything because double stack have a way higher error chance than pitting 1 by 1
As a big and long time McLaren fan, today was just... there's no excuse for it honestly. You can't blame Oscar or Lando for this one, this was 100% on the team for mismanaging the race. IMO, the only way this should've played out today was McLaren bringing in Oscar first on the second round of stops, pitting Lando the lap after and letting them race to the end, that way they both get a fair shot for the win and if Lando is able to catch Oscar then fair play he takes the win. Got to be the saddest and most bittersweet 1 - 2 finish in recent years, feel for both drivers as the team put them in an impossible situation today.
100% agree. But even after Lando’s 2nd pitstop, they could’ve somewhat salvaged this mess by ordering Lando to let Oscar through right away / as soon as they were safe from the cars behind and let them race.
@@squibbies7015 I am becoming tired of McLaren again. It's just more shades of the past. It took years to repair that distrust and disappointment of how they handled themselves in the past but they're doing it again. They're making it hard to like them as a team and organisation. Not just in F1 but in Indy too.
You can blame Lando because he switched around his car when obviously him finishing first gets him closer to Max. If the team makes an obvious mistake and he can correct it, but doesn't, the mistake is also on him.
Those radio messages from Will Joseph to Lando were extremely uncomfortable to listen to. They felt so manipulative, and condescending towards both Lando and Oscar. I think both those drivers deserved the win today - but not like this. McLaren really messed up.
Absolutely disgusting I know Mclaren are currently the fastest and so on but man If I was on Lando place I will start looking for another team and try to change the contract that if title is lost by 5 points or less the contract is no longer valid
I hate this so much, they’ve completely ruined Oscar’s first win and damaged the relationship between their drivers. If they had just pitted Oscar first all of this would have been avoided.
Same, in 20 years I don't remember emotional blackmail of the lead driver fighting for a title. Like we have seen Bottas and Barichello letting the lead driver pass, but not the other way around with emotional blackmail. I think Schumacher let Barichello have the win once, but it was when the title race was over already.
To be fair. Oscar celebrated his first race win pretty much how I expected him too. If you go back and listen to his Sprint Victory at Qatar last year, he was in the exact same emotional state.
For someone who just got their first race win, you’d expect Oscar to be screaming and cheering when he crossed the line, i guess it felt like he couldn’t savour the victory in that moment
When Oscar said, “I’m sorry” I felt so sad and disappointed for him. A first win should be one of the best moments of his life, instead all we are going to talk about is how McLaren really fumbled what could have been a feel-good moment of the year. Shame was brought onto the Papaya today
@@hyprz5 Yeah. I was so excited for the potential for Oscar to win his first race, by the end I was just malding at McLaren. I couldn't even celebrate Oscar. What is this team doing.. The summer break is coming, a 360 is needed.
If you go watch Qatar 2023 Sprint when he won, he pretty much had the same emotion. Same if you go watch him in F2 when he won the title. The guy literally doesn't get that heavy in emotion. So he was just being his usual self. His first race win in F2 was him going 'If you don't love F2, you do now. Holy F***" in the most monotone of voices.
Absolutely disgusting of Mclaren to put Norris in that position then treat him like that on public radio after the loyalty he's shown to that team through their terrible cars and strategy calls.
You mean put Piastri in that position. Norris was the one that decided to argue for 20 laps instead of just swapping right away and then having 20 laps to overtake Piastri on track.
They should have pitted Piastri first, but Norris lost a lot of respect today. Whining about it for 20 laps instead of just giving it back and having time to pass him back.
@@cidiracing7481 Why did Lando have to carry on like a child and complain about switching positions, i am pretty sure that Oscar has moved over before for Lando when asked.
As a McLaren fan I’m so confused. Love our drivers and team but this situation was so unnecessary and unsatisfying. Can’t believe this was a 1-2 finish for us because the vibe is off this week. Oscar and Lando are both excellent drivers capable of winning races on merit while having respectful competitive driving between them. Lets trust them and stop overthinking.
@@arkangelarkangel1302 wtf r u talkin about budddy, why does he deserve hate? For wanting to win the race, which they handed him and dann took away by blackmailing him? People are just crazy..
All of that could of been avoided if they put Oscar first since he was originally in the league. Norris has been catching the leader by seconds in the 2nd half of the last few races. I’m sure he would of been find fighting off Lewis had they put Oscar first
McLaren literally has no idea how to manage the team on track. This whole thing is their fault. Should not have pitted Lando first. They kinda tainted Oscar’s win which sucks. Feel bad for both drivers.
End of the year and Lando needs Oscar to give up the race lead or needs Oscar to battle Max hard to keep him behind or to overtake. You know exactly what Oscar is going to do now instead of what he'd do if Lando took the race win and celebrated like he was the best driver on track after Race strategy fucked Oscars first race win for a second time. infact in the next race I expect Oscar if he is running second to defend as hard as Max attacks just to ensure Max doesn't get through easy. That is what the team meant by telling Lando that he can't do it on his own. Oscar finishing second repeatedly has a bigger effect on the WDC than this one 7 point drop.
@@crazyhorse9298 Oscar should already be doing that. If he can't do that, he doesn't deserve to be in F1. It is a team sport with 1000+ people. If you are going to ruin the win for 999 of the people so you can have your personal little victory, you should find a different sport.
100% teams fault. Understand landos frustration. The team put him in that situation.. if they pitted the lead car like they are meant to do they could've avoided the drama. Typical McLaren.
@@Labben91 you don't have to be ruthless to win, Button and Hill proved that, a driver needs the team around him, and his team mate to help if and when necessary, alienating them is not a smart move
@@martinarscott3524They are the exemption rather than the rule. Hill along with Jacques Villeneuve probably the worst world champion this sport has seen.
Glad you agree that the claim to cover Hamilton was BS. Lewis was nowhere near the McLarens. He was not a danger to McLaren’s 1-2. Btw, I couldn’t ask for your live reaction to the Verstappen-Hamilton collision, could I please?
McLaren needs a new strategist. Why the hell did they pit Lando first? Piastri does not want his first win this way. Both Lando and Piastri should want someone’s head to roll despite the 1-2.
No matter the outcome Lando was never going to be at fault. It was always going to be McLaren's fault. They caused it and they are to be blamed for this. They put Lando in lose/lose situation and destroyed their own reputation. Well done McLaren, you managed to finish 1-2 and fuck it up at the same time. Let's celebrate 1-2 by making the atmosphere toxic. Absolutely disgraceful
Definitely brough up memories of multi-21 except the situation was completely created by Mclaren's poor strategy and communication rather than Seb's ruthless pursuit of being 1st. Even before things got interesting I kept thinking to myself why are they so concerned with what Lewis is doing? Right now this is definitely a team than is trying to not lose rather than one that is trying to win.
Go watch his Sprint win from last season in Qatar. When he sealed the F2 championship or when he won his first race in the F2. The guy rarely ever celebrates hard over comms. This was pretty much the norm for him. He is someone who smiles and celebrates once the adrenaline goes away.
Take nothing away from Lando or Oscar, they both drove brilliantly and this would have been a 1-2 win that would have felt deserved regardless if it was Lando-Piastri or Piastri-Lando. This buffoonery is all on McLaren who should have known better!😖
I thought Lando would leave today, I was waiting for him to say, "So I have a RedBull contract at home I can sign if you guys don't want me to win? Let me know?"
@@Crosby69 lol, schooled... norris pulled a 6 sec gap with ease in the final stint and then was forced to give it up because the team made a stupid strategy call...
Can we just acknowledge that the 2024 season is something to be cherished - 7 different winners, Red Bull is emphatically not the fastest car at this stage, when not in Max's hands, they're 3rd best depending on the circuit. There are 3.5 competitive teams at the front (the .5 being split between Ferrari and Mercedes) - it may not be the title fight from 2021, but it is certainly something interesting to see/borderline similar to the 2009 season, where an early advantage won the season, but made 2010 a completely different story
What frustrated me is that as far as i can tell, swapping the cars literally only hurts Mclaren! Lando is in the running for the championship if Max faulters, with Oscar stuck in 5th place. And as far as the constructors championship is concerned, which car finishing ahead of the other is irrelevant... So from what i can gather, they did nothing of note besides costing Lando 6 points he might need by the end of the season for no other reason than making Oscar feel better. Just imagine Red Bull tanking in the final races, and Mclaren take the constructors championship with ease, but Lando loses the title to Max by 3 points or something like that...
Lando isn’t catching Max, the gap is so big, even with an ordinary back half of the season, Max will get enough points to hold off the pack. Shame McLaren didn’t just box OP first🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@nicfreedman9873 with how cooked the redbull seems compared to the mclaren and how verstappen is on a meltdown affecting his race yeah lando can probably win the WDC
@@nicfreedman9873 the chance of norris catching up enough to win the WDC isnt too big but it´s not impossible. This only shows that mclaren have already given up on the drivers Title which is kinda weak considering the season is only halfway through.
@@WayStedYouNorris has already thrown points away to Verstappen. How do you know for certain to say he will not throw away points again. H e already threw away points at Monaco, Sliverstone, Spain and Montreal. One bad race from verstappen and red bull putting him on a bad strategy and you think the same will happen again multiple times 🤣.
Only way Lando catches Max is if Oscar sits inbetween Lando and Max and Oscar does his best to ensure Max does not get past him so easily or he fights Max to try and get past. That would be by far a bigger difference maker in the WDC than this one race.
I'm convinced that Lando would have let Oscar pass sooner if he'd caught up to him or at least got somewhat near. But as the gap only got wider, I understand he'd be like "come on and earn it at least!" In the end, being in doubt about the right way to do for so long may have cost Lando the win, as it's possible he could have made a move if he'd slowed down after pitting. But who's going to slow down with Hamilton right behind you? Absolutely dreadful from McLaren and I feel like that should have been Lando's. And maybe also Oscar's, but because he should've pitted first not because he got handed the place.
The difference is Lando was driving for himself in that last stint, pushing his lap times and tires when told not to do so. Oscar was following team orders (like Lando should have been) and was sitting on a great race pace. Lando should have conceded his position earlier which would have allowed him to fight Oscar in the last 15-20 laps, but the guy is too emotional, egotistical, and childish to think about these things. What a joke of a driver. Lost so much respect from me today.
You just race the optimal race strategy. And then in the final lap you swap so the car that is further ahead in the championship get the most points. Easy. And then you should have Oscar asking over the radio "Should I let Lando pass because he is close to Max and we need to keep trying to win the title?"
This is why I just hate the concept of team orders. It never feels good to see the flow of the sport interrupted by a human need to have things their way. Also funny how this just does not happen in football or cricket simply because we recognize that it's not realistic. Driver's championship or not, a certain driver is ahead because that's how it worked out. Take it in stride and work on yourself as a team instead of making any one person in the team feel like they need to give up their moment for someone else. I feel bad for both Oscar and Lando.
I can't imagine being in the main grandstand, rooting for Lando's 2nd win, oblivious to the team radio drama, only to see him slow down heavily and give the win up with 2 laps to go.
At least Verstappen has the balls to reject such an order in Brazil 2022 on Perez and earlier in Singapore 2015 (NOOO!!!). We all what happens to nice guys and Norris is just to nice. Leclerc is also missing that killer instinct. Do you really think that if Mercedes would have made this mistaken Hamilton would have moved over for Russel?
Yes he did, he was given priority pit stop to cover Lewis. Then refused to give up his position once the undercut was made. He could have immediately given the position back and challenged Oscar, instead opting to be a little cry baby and hurting Oscars first true win. So much respect lost for Lando today.
No he didn't he went off the track TWICE!!! Then he could get nowhere near Lando towards the end of the race, even if Oscar had pitted first Lando would have caught him and won!
@@mikecrawshaw9973 lol, hitting the dirt twice doesn't lose you 6 seconds champ. Doing push laps (against team orders) straight after an undercut with fresh tires and clean air when your teammate is on pace gets you a 6 sec lead. Maybe watch the race next time instead of the 10 minute highlights...
@@karlmibus5724 His first off the track he lost 2.5 seconds, Lando pulled out a 6 second lead and he would have had fresher tyres if he'd stopped second as well. Lando was the fastest guy on track and deserved to win.
@@mikecrawshaw9973 speculation is a fun game to play champ, lots of fun situations and "could haves". End of the day, Oscar drove better when it mattered, and Lando didn't give back the position after the undercut. Let's just be happy it was a 1-2 for the team right? Have a good day champ
I'd argue it was joint fault between McLaren & Lando - its bewildering why they felt the need to pit Lando first since even if Lewis undercut him, Lando would be on quicker tyres with a faster car and would have easily retook the place, but McLaren told Lando earlier on that they were free to race until the mid 40's (i.e. the 2nd round of pitstops), so the plan must have always been to hold station, and from immediately after the first ask Lando agreed he would let Oscar past once he closed the gap, almost as though it was pre-agreed that but then Lando was making it more difficult than it needed to be ... I'm quite glad we didn't have a repeat of 'Multi 2-1' because that could have collapsed their title charge
Thank you, I was reading the comments under the F1 posts and people hating on Lando like wtf Mclaren (emotional black mail), I had exact same reaction as you guys. Sad about Oscar he is very good and will definitely win more races but he clearly was not able to enjoy his first F1 win.
I feel gutted for all of them. This should have been the dream scenario going into the summer break and instead of carrying that good feeling, it just feels bittersweet. I really hope the momentum keeps up and the car is good enough for them to learn from and avoid this in the rest of the season.
Imagine the hate both drivers get for doing no fault at all, about their championship, about 1st win..... I don't understand how the driver ahead didn't get priority for pit stop, using "cover Hamilton" as an excuse
Lando should have told their team over the radio "No, we need the 25 points to stay closer to Max" and Oscar should have told the team "No, we need the 25 points to stay closer to Max." Niether of them did. Lando slowed down and Oscar passed. Both mistakes. They are behind the wheel. Mistake is on them as well. They make the final call. Not the team.
@Prometheus4096 lol you expect racing driver to deliberately lose? 🤣 If the team wants the driver to make the call they'll say it. "You want to cover Hamilton or Max?" Now that's up to Lando
@@RH-hz9ly No. I want them to deliberately win. You want them to deliberately lose. That's the difference. You just have an odd definition of 'winning'. McLaren didn't 'win'. They lost 6 points.
@Prometheus4096 Lando lose 6pts... seems you don't know that McLaren isn't Lando yet you say all those stuff lol I just proved my point right? People will blame the drivers because of this, and unless you're not one of them 🤷♂️
The thing I don't understand on lando's part, now don't get me wrong, this entire situation could've been avoided by mclaren, but why would you let him through so late in the race. Either let him through when the gap is only 3 seconds with many laps to go for an overtake and still win the race, or don't let him through and let the team handle it. He could've won this race one way or the other, but he chose the one where he'd definitly come second...
Because McLaren and their horrible strategy calls messed it up for Oscar so either way they were trying to save face and would have told lando to hold the order even if Lando was faster.
If he let Oscar past earlier they wouldn't have let him take him over again no matter how much faster Lando would have been (and frankly was) -- same way he was faster than Daniel in Monza but was told to hold position. He waited until basically the last moment to let McLaren know how idiotic this whole order ended up being, his engineer pretty much said so. This way he still complied with the order but instead of making himself look the clown he made sure to have McLaren look silly.
I don't think he had thought of giving it back earlier because 1.) he felt like the team messed up the order and so why should he have to give the place back 2.) he was getting bombarded by his race engineer so he was pissed and wasn't able to think clearly 3.) he really wasn't sure what he should do, be a championship lvl driver or be a team player. I think his race engineer should have suggested giving up the place early and then fighting Piastri for it on the track. Instead they kept feeding him bullshit about tires. Granted they probably didn't want them to fight. But with so many laps left, you can't expect Lando to just sit back and let Piastri win if that had been the case. Smh
@@thunderbandit5172Lando had been told not to fight with Oscar after lap 45, he wasn’t allowed to pass him after giving back the place so he was just making sure everyone knows he should have won.
I hate people calling this "bittersweet" or anything like that. As a McLaren fan, its not sweet. It's just flat out out poor and sour from McLaren. They've ruined Lando's drive (clearly could've won that race on pace in the final stint, but bcs of mclarens strat, people will only see it as "he was ahead bcs of the stops" despite his significantly better pace in that final stint). He got given a chance to pass Oscar without losing time behind and absolutely smashed that opportunity out of the park. Once he got that lead he stepped into a grear Oscar couldnt. With bickering on the radio, emotional blackmail, vague threats and constant distracting on the radio, Lando still pulled over 4 seconds in 10 laps on Oscar despite having slightly older tyres. And that, has now gone completely unregistered and forgotten bcs of the contreversy. And arguably (if not: definetively) even more importantly, Oscar's first win was ruined. Now there's a slight air of "well Oscar was gifted that win by a Lando who was flying into the distance" and all of a sudden there's no excitement to it. He won, but was he ACTUALLY going to win if McLaren didnt fuck around? Did McLaren intervening with Lando actually prevent a more likely result? Obviously they should've pitted Oscar first, but if they had, Lando would've been on the slightly advantageous tyre at the end, and pushing the car to its best without bickering and distractions on the radio (which would only have improved his pace) and quite possibly ended up winning it? Not to mention the gap Lando pulled in 10 laps after the pit stops was twice as large as the gap they entered the pits with. Everything just feels dulled now. Lando quite possibly should've won that race now, bcs he got a slither of a chance to win and absolutely nailed it, and Oscar couldn't do anything to stop him. But Oscar's first 2 stints were probably some of his best tyre management stints he's ever put in, in F1. Its such a shame. Could've been simply: Lando and Oscar did great as a collective (regardless of who won). But McLaren's strat has made it: Lando and Oscar did great, but now Lando deserves the win just as much as Oscar but Oscar doesnt deserve such a shitty first win. It's ruined it honestly. I can't even describe it. As a McLaren fan, I'm ahamed. As a Lando fan I'm disappointed bcs my boy had the pace and the consistency. As a Oscar fan I'm devastated bcs the moment I've been waiting for, for 2 years, finally occurred and it just feels awkward and just unfulfilling. Awful feeling to have. No matter which angle you look at it, you can't find any reason to be thrilled with that result.
Agreed, lando definitely had pace in the final stint but wether he'd have been able to pass Oscar or not is a different story as Hungary is quite a hard track to overtake on but that would have been a thrilling race either way as you would have had Oscar just cling on and hold on to the win which would make it feel earned or you would have lando take it with a few laps left where it would be seen as a good drive from both and lando would get the credit for his increase in pace. In both situations it is a good result for McLaren. Only good thing is that Oscar owes lando a favour so in future, lando can in theory regain those extra 7 points
@@magi0500 At Austria yes but not at Indy later that season. And in both instances neither winning driver deserved the win which is why those races are controversial to this day.
Glad to see everyone else is in the same mind as me. It is ridiculous that McLaren put either driver in this position. Oscar should be pitted the lap after to clearly show it is just covering or the same lap. The team care so much about a 1-2 but then get annoyed they did it wrong and ask Lando to fix it for them. Lewis wasn't even that much of a threat, they had bucket loads of time. Really disappointing to see this from a team that genuinely seemed to be on the right path. Hopefully they do not cause the next Hamilton-Rosberg pair with their terrible decision making.
All this talk of teamwork. Surely proper teamwork would be maximising both championships and having a 1-2 with the leading driver in the championship taking the 25 pts
They were looking at maximising the result in the race as they saw the potential for Lewis to have a shot at Lando. For those talking about Lando having a title shot - very unlikely. When Max finishes off the podium, that is a bad day for him and he doesn't have too many of them. McLaren for constructor's - that is a realistic goal this year
Mclaren should be lando is ahead in points and close enough in the championship at the mid mark they need to choose a #1 driver then reset the next season until one shows more dominant
@@jasonhenry9440 Unless Zak is in the hospital for a quadruple bypass, there is no excuse for Zak not being at the track. Zak has one job, leading the team, but he failed to live up to his responsibilities. This is not the first screw up by the team. McLaren has the car, they have the drivers, but the pitwall keeps screwing up...
@@2Fast4Mellow zak is the ceo of McLaren racing which involves the f1 team, indycar teM, formula e team and extreme e team, he was at the indycar event this weekend
McLaren royally f-ed up. Oscar deserves a regular (first) win, not this tainted one. When he had legitimately gained time on Norris, it would have been kinda okay. But this was farcical. What if Lando is less than 7 points short in Abu Dhabi? They would’ve wasted a WDC.
Love how Mclaren literally threatened Lando's career over live radio when they wouldnt be in the position they are without his efforts over the past 5 years
Completely undeserved win by Oscar. And a bad team decision, because Lando is 2nd in the overall score. This was like a quadruple fail. They should have given Oscar the ideal pit strategy, and then gave Oscar the team order to let Lando pass for the championship. This was a disgrace!
Champions don't give the spot back. Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton or Verstapen wouldn't. Shame on the team to out them both in this position. They didn't have to pit Lando first.
No, the right thing to do was for Lando to give the place back immediately given that Oscar let him have first stop (LW undercut bs), and then fight out the last laps with Oscar
As others have said Lewis did with Bottas but that was also very clearly discussed well before hand as it should have been. Mclaren lucky to have a great car and two great drivers as their operations and strategy are a disaster.
McLaren deserves all the hate for the embarrassment they put their drivers through. They should have just stood by their first screw up and let Lando take the W and apologized dearly to Oscar. Instead, they made an even bigger fool of themselves pleading and trying to put it on Lando conscience to give up the place!?! That is the most unsatisfying 1-2 victory in F1 i've ever seen in all my years watching.
Yeah, I was a bit more partial before, but after thinking about it a bit more, I do have to put it solely on the team for messing up the strategy for this one
"You can't win the championship on your own. You're gonna need oscar and you're gonna need the team" The team just told Lando to throw away 7 easy points. How is that needing the team to win the championship? Lando was faster on track, he got pole position, so it's not like he didn't earn this win as much as Oscar, if not more. If this was near the end of the season and the championship was as good as gone, yeah, then I understand gifting Oscar this win, but now with half a season left still, Lando needs every point he can get to close the gap on Max.
@@ronmastrio2798 Doesn't matter. Lando is the better driver with the way better car. What is Max gonna do? He also has no team mate. The odds that Lando wins are way above 50%. But they did literally throw 6 points in the trash bin this weekend. if they do this one more time, it is going to cost them the title.
Someone at The Race made a really good point that someone senior should have ordered Lando on the radio and preserved that driver/race enigineer relationship, and suddenly 'Valtteri it's James' made so much more sense, Lando and Will's relationship I'm sure will survive this but not without some damaged trust.
THey mess up Oscar's pit stop and somehow it's Lando's fault and he has to step aside. Well, he now knows which way the wind is blowing as he considers his future.
Funny stat if Norris wins every race going forward for the season he will end up op 464 points and if max comes 2nd every race he will be on 463.. So lando wins hy one point which means it will be very difficult even if lando wins every race. And if Lando finishes 2nd every race it will be 387 and if max finishes 5th every race it will be 375 so gona be a tight one to win for Lando unless the redbull falls away. Just to note there is obviously still some sprint and fastest lap points that weren't included here
Question for everyone in the comments, If max had dnf from that collision with Lewis, do u think McLaren would have orderd lando to give back the position?
Max didn't even do it for Checo for a 6th place in Brazil. Vettel didn't do it for Webber. Hamilton might've done it for Bottas a few times but Bottas had to do it way more for Hamilton. I mean imagine telling that to Michael Schumacher.
Lando should have put a couple of slow laps in, charging battery, cooling tyres/brakes/engine, allowed Oscar through where it would be advantageous to him, then challenged for and taken the victory. Instead he made himself and McLaren look extremely silly. I wondered if Lando had intelligence, my beliefs are being verified.
Literally any other team: lead car gets dibs on pit stops first.
McLaren: we prefer the unnecessary drama.
They should pit the leading car first
Well, there is Ferrari.
@lpollock7893 Ferrari used to forget Kimi existed when Vettel fought Hamilton. They usually only think about their first driver.
@@lpollock7893 Even Ferrari would pit the lead car. Okay they'd doublestack for used inter but they'd at least get the order right.
Netflix’s DTS: *chef kiss*
Oscar is not at fault for this. Lando is not at fault for this. Mclaren caused this, and somehow made the most bittersweet 1-2 finish in f1 history
Of course Lando is at fault for this. I'd expect even a 12 year old to get this kind of thing.
@@Argosh Lando told them to pit him first and screw Oscars strategy?
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks he's an adult. He knows he's been given a free pass on Oscar. It doesn't matter why, he knows he has no right to that place after getting an undercut on his teammate.
Him being petulant is completely uncalled for. He's not Verstappen or Schumi.
@@Argosh undercuts are not that uncommon for a strategy the only difference here is that, its his teammate and don't get me wrong oscar deserved that win but you can't help but to think that, there's some emotional didecision here so oscar could win his first
I guess you are a new fan because Schumacher Barrichello will be the most bittersweet 1-2 forever.
finishing 1-2 but still fumbling the race strategy is a real piece of art
It is just incredibly weird on how their strategy team's brain processes things.
just like the trophy
And then they send the person in the team in charge of the mistake onto the podium....which was an interesting decision. Obviously a vote of confidence by Andrea Stella, but still......weirrrrrrd.
I swear to god P1 should have made them biggest winner and biggest loser for this race
@@MostViewedTop40 Lack of self awareness by McLaren, lack of ability to take responsibility.
They should have pitted Oscar first and then allowed them to race on track, if Lando could overtake on track then so be it rather than team orders.
Or they've should have double-stack them
@@Brossano22That would require having some stones. They're barely growing out of their midfield team mentality.
@@Brossano22 you don't double stack if you have a big lead. You dont want to risk anything because double stack have a way higher error chance than pitting 1 by 1
@@Brossano22That's too risky and really unnecessary
@@Black4Cookyeah of coz, but out of the three pitting choices, double stack is better than pitting Lando first
McLaren are seriously a contender to become more Ferrari than Ferrari themselves
at least mclaren usually gets at least one drive on the podium when they bottle it (at least in recent times)... Ferrari however...
@@Gollas4k yeah, they're not quite Ferrari yet
Andrea Stella keeping up traditions!
...plan...F
Nah Ferrari would of found a way to have both cars finish 10th and 15th
Netflix rubbing their hand rn
Oh thats gonna be a good episode
Just the one?
@@Zennec_Fox Well, their will be lots of good episodes, but this one will be extra juicy
And we like a bit of this too let's face it
Part 1 part 2. Two episode extravaganza
It's 100% another bad McLaren strategy call. They are just lucky the car is so good and Max was having a rough race.
Yeah. The worst race he’s ever driven. If you count his conduct. Which I do.
@@xtheamazingax Can you stop fuming at the mouth ? Max had a bad day. He did not commit murder
@@xtheamazingax you must be new to f1
@@xtheamazingaxrelax gang it was still better than SA 21
@@xtheamazingax and yet hes going to be a four time world champion. Method to the madness?
As a big and long time McLaren fan, today was just... there's no excuse for it honestly. You can't blame Oscar or Lando for this one, this was 100% on the team for mismanaging the race.
IMO, the only way this should've played out today was McLaren bringing in Oscar first on the second round of stops, pitting Lando the lap after and letting them race to the end, that way they both get a fair shot for the win and if Lando is able to catch Oscar then fair play he takes the win.
Got to be the saddest and most bittersweet 1 - 2 finish in recent years, feel for both drivers as the team put them in an impossible situation today.
I second this!
100% agree. But even after Lando’s 2nd pitstop, they could’ve somewhat salvaged this mess by ordering Lando to let Oscar through right away / as soon as they were safe from the cars behind and let them race.
@@squibbies7015 I am becoming tired of McLaren again. It's just more shades of the past. It took years to repair that distrust and disappointment of how they handled themselves in the past but they're doing it again. They're making it hard to like them as a team and organisation. Not just in F1 but in Indy too.
If they don’t fire Stella after this season 100% all respect lost and will no longer be a McLaren fan
You can blame Lando because he switched around his car when obviously him finishing first gets him closer to Max. If the team makes an obvious mistake and he can correct it, but doesn't, the mistake is also on him.
Those radio messages from Will Joseph to Lando were extremely uncomfortable to listen to. They felt so manipulative, and condescending towards both Lando and Oscar. I think both those drivers deserved the win today - but not like this. McLaren really messed up.
I'm just trying to protect you.
I know you'll do the right thing.
Really gross.
@@Redskies453Grow up
Absolutely disgusting I know Mclaren are currently the fastest and so on but man If I was on Lando place I will start looking for another team and try to change the contract that if title is lost by 5 points or less the contract is no longer valid
It felt like a toxic relationship where one person was trying to manipulate the other
@@luca3493 Shades of the toxic mess that was the McLaren of old. Damn shame.
This isn’t Oscar. This isn’t Lando. This is on McLaren strategy to step up and perform at the level their drivers and cars are
I hate this so much, they’ve completely ruined Oscar’s first win and damaged the relationship between their drivers. If they had just pitted Oscar first all of this would have been avoided.
@@lamsmiley1944I don't think there's going to be any bad blood between Oscar and Lando tbh, I think they both know the team screwed them today
@@Vislow I hope you’re right.
100%. Horrible horrible call by the team to taint this win and piss off their drivers for NO reason
That was the most uncomfortable race I've ever watched.
I agree. If they wanted to make Oscar win, they should have pit him first.
Yeah although at least 50% of the reason for that was Max's race-long tantrum.
Same, in 20 years I don't remember emotional blackmail of the lead driver fighting for a title. Like we have seen Bottas and Barichello letting the lead driver pass, but not the other way around with emotional blackmail. I think Schumacher let Barichello have the win once, but it was when the title race was over already.
Oscar wasnt even happy when he came out of the car. How can they fk up this bad. They ruined his win.
To be fair. Oscar celebrated his first race win pretty much how I expected him too.
If you go back and listen to his Sprint Victory at Qatar last year, he was in the exact same emotional state.
Of course he wasn't happy. He didn't really win and the team didn't get full points to try to chase Max.
This is not racing!! It is manipulation,, How can Oscar enjoy his first win? The race was not at all enjoyable.
Nope, mclaren ballsed it up.
For someone who just got their first race win, you’d expect Oscar to be screaming and cheering when he crossed the line, i guess it felt like he couldn’t savour the victory in that moment
Dude's a sentient Xanax.
When Oscar said, “I’m sorry” I felt so sad and disappointed for him. A first win should be one of the best moments of his life, instead all we are going to talk about is how McLaren really fumbled what could have been a feel-good moment of the year. Shame was brought onto the Papaya today
@@sagittated he was happier talking to the reporters than he was with the win, I think after speaking to lando after the race helped
@@hyprz5 Yeah. I was so excited for the potential for Oscar to win his first race, by the end I was just malding at McLaren. I couldn't even celebrate Oscar. What is this team doing.. The summer break is coming, a 360 is needed.
If you go watch Qatar 2023 Sprint when he won, he pretty much had the same emotion. Same if you go watch him in F2 when he won the title. The guy literally doesn't get that heavy in emotion. So he was just being his usual self.
His first race win in F2 was him going 'If you don't love F2, you do now. Holy F***" in the most monotone of voices.
Lando’s engineer with the top level blackmail. Respect.
Absolutely disgusting of Mclaren to put Norris in that position then treat him like that on public radio after the loyalty he's shown to that team through their terrible cars and strategy calls.
You mean put Piastri in that position. Norris was the one that decided to argue for 20 laps instead of just swapping right away and then having 20 laps to overtake Piastri on track.
They should have pitted Piastri first, but Norris lost a lot of respect today. Whining about it for 20 laps instead of just giving it back and having time to pass him back.
@@cidiracing7481 Why did Lando have to carry on like a child and complain about switching positions, i am pretty sure that Oscar has moved over before for Lando when asked.
@@coffeehouse44Moving over for a 5/6 position with different stategy Is One thing, giving away a victory Is another
@@stefanocavallin6221 Lando would have been 4th after the 1st lap if Max hadn't run Hamilton wide at turn 2.
I would hate for my first win to have been handed to me like that. It's not fair on either Lando or Oscar. They both deserve better
The dude in the glasses owes Lando an apology. 'He's not gonna give it back because Landos the Golllden boooyyyy'.
As a McLaren fan I’m so confused. Love our drivers and team but this situation was so unnecessary and unsatisfying. Can’t believe this was a 1-2 finish for us because the vibe is off this week. Oscar and Lando are both excellent drivers capable of winning races on merit while having respectful competitive driving between them. Lets trust them and stop overthinking.
I thought this the entire time. Why pit lando first? There was never ANY risk of a Hamilton undercut.
"So Lando, think abour Oscar's sad face." I said the same thing too 😅
EDIT: I'm glad you said it lad, Lando doesn’t deserve the hate he got from this.
Yes he does, it was Oscar's race pure and simple.
@@arkangelarkangel1302 Was he guilty because Mclaren gave him undercut at the end? instead of pitting Oscar first
@@arkangelarkangel1302Nope, it’s on the team
@@arkangelarkangel1302 wtf r u talkin about budddy, why does he deserve hate? For wanting to win the race, which they handed him and dann took away by blackmailing him? People are just crazy..
@@arkangelarkangel1302No one deserves a win, the race decides who wins. Lando deserved to win because he put himself in the position to win.
All of that could of been avoided if they put Oscar first since he was originally in the league. Norris has been catching the leader by seconds in the 2nd half of the last few races. I’m sure he would of been find fighting off Lewis had they put Oscar first
could have been..would have been
McLaren literally has no idea how to manage the team on track. This whole thing is their fault. Should not have pitted Lando first. They kinda tainted Oscar’s win which sucks. Feel bad for both drivers.
End of year. Norris loses by 5 points. McClaren shows why they still arent ready for the bright lights
End of the year and Lando needs Oscar to give up the race lead or needs Oscar to battle Max hard to keep him behind or to overtake. You know exactly what Oscar is going to do now instead of what he'd do if Lando took the race win and celebrated like he was the best driver on track after Race strategy fucked Oscars first race win for a second time.
infact in the next race I expect Oscar if he is running second to defend as hard as Max attacks just to ensure Max doesn't get through easy. That is what the team meant by telling Lando that he can't do it on his own. Oscar finishing second repeatedly has a bigger effect on the WDC than this one 7 point drop.
@@crazyhorse9298 Oscar should already be doing that. If he can't do that, he doesn't deserve to be in F1. It is a team sport with 1000+ people. If you are going to ruin the win for 999 of the people so you can have your personal little victory, you should find a different sport.
100% teams fault. Understand landos frustration. The team put him in that situation.. if they pitted the lead car like they are meant to do they could've avoided the drama. Typical McLaren.
Both Lando and Oscar are champions material.Mclaren just keep ruining Oscars talent with tactics and stupid decisions.
Lando might be a good enough driver to become a WC, but I don't think he is ruthless enough to do so now.
@@Labben91 you don't have to be ruthless to win, Button and Hill proved that, a driver needs the team around him, and his team mate to help if and when necessary, alienating them is not a smart move
@@martinarscott3524They are the exemption rather than the rule. Hill along with Jacques Villeneuve probably the worst world champion this sport has seen.
@@darrenjohn8524 What it boils down to is some have moral values and others don't, I know which side I prefer to support
Glad you agree that the claim to cover Hamilton was BS. Lewis was nowhere near the McLarens. He was not a danger to McLaren’s 1-2.
Btw, I couldn’t ask for your live reaction to the Verstappen-Hamilton collision, could I please?
That radio is flying straight up to the top 3 of every future "Most embarrassing radio in F1" video ever.
How have McLaren scored a comfortable 1-2 on merit and still looked like they've no idea what they're doing
Finished first and second and being the joke of the weekend, that’s a hard thing to do….
I AM SO ANGRY.
McLaren needs a new strategist. Why the hell did they pit Lando first? Piastri does not want his first win this way. Both Lando and Piastri should want someone’s head to roll despite the 1-2.
How to stink up a 1-2 with the most unnecessary team drama and fail at math. McLaren is wearing the Ferrari rainbow clown wigs now.
No matter the outcome Lando was never going to be at fault. It was always going to be McLaren's fault. They caused it and they are to be blamed for this. They put Lando in lose/lose situation and destroyed their own reputation. Well done McLaren, you managed to finish 1-2 and fuck it up at the same time. Let's celebrate 1-2 by making the atmosphere toxic. Absolutely disgraceful
McLaren was an amazing joke today.
Definitely brough up memories of multi-21 except the situation was completely created by Mclaren's poor strategy and communication rather than Seb's ruthless pursuit of being 1st.
Even before things got interesting I kept thinking to myself why are they so concerned with what Lewis is doing? Right now this is definitely a team than is trying to not lose rather than one that is trying to win.
Oscar seem to take NO joy in his first win because of the situation!
Go watch his Sprint win from last season in Qatar. When he sealed the F2 championship or when he won his first race in the F2. The guy rarely ever celebrates hard over comms. This was pretty much the norm for him.
He is someone who smiles and celebrates once the adrenaline goes away.
Massive respect for Lando in this situation tho.
Oscar deserved this. Interesting fact: last McLaren 1-2 also had an Aussie winner...
Oscar didn't deserve this. No F1 driver deserves this. Not even Pastor Maldonado.
Take nothing away from Lando or Oscar, they both drove brilliantly and this would have been a 1-2 win that would have felt deserved regardless if it was Lando-Piastri or Piastri-Lando. This buffoonery is all on McLaren who should have known better!😖
I absolutely agree.
Lando will leave one day and remember this day
If he's smart he should start conversations with Toto and Horner tonight. It's clear Mclaren doesn't respect him
@@birddogz545if Toto isn't sending flirtatious texts to Lando tonight, he's not doing his job.
@@birddogz545and the get schooled by Oscar? Next year Lando will be nr2 driver. Oscar just gets better and better.
I thought Lando would leave today, I was waiting for him to say, "So I have a RedBull contract at home I can sign if you guys don't want me to win? Let me know?"
@@Crosby69 lol, schooled... norris pulled a 6 sec gap with ease in the final stint and then was forced to give it up because the team made a stupid strategy call...
If Lando loses the title by 7 points he'll be fuming.
But it might win it for him too, Piastri might start driving for Norris?
Oscar being first on track gets first call on pits
Yuki said it first: “That’s weird”
Can we just acknowledge that the 2024 season is something to be cherished - 7 different winners, Red Bull is emphatically not the fastest car at this stage, when not in Max's hands, they're 3rd best depending on the circuit. There are 3.5 competitive teams at the front (the .5 being split between Ferrari and Mercedes) - it may not be the title fight from 2021, but it is certainly something interesting to see/borderline similar to the 2009 season, where an early advantage won the season, but made 2010 a completely different story
What frustrated me is that as far as i can tell, swapping the cars literally only hurts Mclaren! Lando is in the running for the championship if Max faulters, with Oscar stuck in 5th place. And as far as the constructors championship is concerned, which car finishing ahead of the other is irrelevant... So from what i can gather, they did nothing of note besides costing Lando 6 points he might need by the end of the season for no other reason than making Oscar feel better.
Just imagine Red Bull tanking in the final races, and Mclaren take the constructors championship with ease, but Lando loses the title to Max by 3 points or something like that...
Lando isn’t catching Max, the gap is so big, even with an ordinary back half of the season, Max will get enough points to hold off the pack. Shame McLaren didn’t just box OP first🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@nicfreedman9873 with how cooked the redbull seems compared to the mclaren and how verstappen is on a meltdown affecting his race yeah lando can probably win the WDC
@@nicfreedman9873 the chance of norris catching up enough to win the WDC isnt too big but it´s not impossible. This only shows that mclaren have already given up on the drivers Title which is kinda weak considering the season is only halfway through.
@@WayStedYouNorris has already thrown points away to Verstappen. How do you know for certain to say he will not throw away points again. H e already threw away points at Monaco, Sliverstone, Spain and Montreal. One bad race from verstappen and red bull putting him on a bad strategy and you think the same will happen again multiple times 🤣.
Only way Lando catches Max is if Oscar sits inbetween Lando and Max and Oscar does his best to ensure Max does not get past him so easily or he fights Max to try and get past. That would be by far a bigger difference maker in the WDC than this one race.
mclaren must expect that norris will now be reviewing at those offers for the future.
I'm convinced that Lando would have let Oscar pass sooner if he'd caught up to him or at least got somewhat near. But as the gap only got wider, I understand he'd be like "come on and earn it at least!" In the end, being in doubt about the right way to do for so long may have cost Lando the win, as it's possible he could have made a move if he'd slowed down after pitting. But who's going to slow down with Hamilton right behind you? Absolutely dreadful from McLaren and I feel like that should have been Lando's. And maybe also Oscar's, but because he should've pitted first not because he got handed the place.
The difference is Lando was driving for himself in that last stint, pushing his lap times and tires when told not to do so. Oscar was following team orders (like Lando should have been) and was sitting on a great race pace. Lando should have conceded his position earlier which would have allowed him to fight Oscar in the last 15-20 laps, but the guy is too emotional, egotistical, and childish to think about these things. What a joke of a driver. Lost so much respect from me today.
You just race the optimal race strategy. And then in the final lap you swap so the car that is further ahead in the championship get the most points. Easy. And then you should have Oscar asking over the radio "Should I let Lando pass because he is close to Max and we need to keep trying to win the title?"
I really can’t believe maclaren messed up the strategy this much
messing up the strategy and still coming out 1-2 is a bit of a power move though...
Love Tommy putting his hands on his hips when he's hoppin mad 🤣
This is on the team. Leading car should always get preferential strategy.
This is why I just hate the concept of team orders. It never feels good to see the flow of the sport interrupted by a human need to have things their way. Also funny how this just does not happen in football or cricket simply because we recognize that it's not realistic. Driver's championship or not, a certain driver is ahead because that's how it worked out. Take it in stride and work on yourself as a team instead of making any one person in the team feel like they need to give up their moment for someone else. I feel bad for both Oscar and Lando.
I can't imagine being in the main grandstand, rooting for Lando's 2nd win, oblivious to the team radio drama, only to see him slow down heavily and give the win up with 2 laps to go.
This probably gave a lot of you flashbacks to Austria 2001 and 2002 when Ferrari told Barrichello to let Schumacher past for a win
i immediately thought of vettel and webber
@@brenxbux yeah that as well Malaysia 2013
At least Verstappen has the balls to reject such an order in Brazil 2022 on Perez and earlier in Singapore 2015 (NOOO!!!). We all what happens to nice guys and Norris is just to nice. Leclerc is also missing that killer instinct. Do you really think that if Mercedes would have made this mistaken Hamilton would have moved over for Russel?
Oscar deserves the win... But Lando didn't deserve to have to do that.
Yes he did, he was given priority pit stop to cover Lewis. Then refused to give up his position once the undercut was made. He could have immediately given the position back and challenged Oscar, instead opting to be a little cry baby and hurting Oscars first true win. So much respect lost for Lando today.
No he didn't he went off the track TWICE!!! Then he could get nowhere near Lando towards the end of the race, even if Oscar had pitted first Lando would have caught him and won!
@@mikecrawshaw9973 lol, hitting the dirt twice doesn't lose you 6 seconds champ. Doing push laps (against team orders) straight after an undercut with fresh tires and clean air when your teammate is on pace gets you a 6 sec lead. Maybe watch the race next time instead of the 10 minute highlights...
@@karlmibus5724 His first off the track he lost 2.5 seconds, Lando pulled out a 6 second lead and he would have had fresher tyres if he'd stopped second as well. Lando was the fastest guy on track and deserved to win.
@@mikecrawshaw9973 speculation is a fun game to play champ, lots of fun situations and "could haves". End of the day, Oscar drove better when it mattered, and Lando didn't give back the position after the undercut. Let's just be happy it was a 1-2 for the team right? Have a good day champ
I was so confused. When they pit Lando I said exactly what Tommy said here. What an absolute mess this so-called strategic call was.
The level of discomfort I experienced while watching this was in the multi-21 territory
They’ve screwed up so many wins for Lando and then gave him false hope at another win. McLaren is rotten for this. Both drivers deserve better.
I'd argue it was joint fault between McLaren & Lando - its bewildering why they felt the need to pit Lando first since even if Lewis undercut him, Lando would be on quicker tyres with a faster car and would have easily retook the place, but McLaren told Lando earlier on that they were free to race until the mid 40's (i.e. the 2nd round of pitstops), so the plan must have always been to hold station, and from immediately after the first ask Lando agreed he would let Oscar past once he closed the gap, almost as though it was pre-agreed that but then Lando was making it more difficult than it needed to be ... I'm quite glad we didn't have a repeat of 'Multi 2-1' because that could have collapsed their title charge
they realised fucking one of the most liked drivers on the grid would be bad for business
They did fuck him by letting the boring one win
I've never liked lando
Lando is a dickhead! Can't stand him.
@@markward573 im talking about oscar
@@TheYorkshireGeordie spoken like a true britwit......
Thank you, I was reading the comments under the F1 posts and people hating on Lando like wtf Mclaren (emotional black mail), I had exact same reaction as you guys. Sad about Oscar he is very good and will definitely win more races but he clearly was not able to enjoy his first F1 win.
It was McLaren's fault and Lando was the sacrificial lamb without his fault. Also, not Oscar's fault.
I feel gutted for all of them. This should have been the dream scenario going into the summer break and instead of carrying that good feeling, it just feels bittersweet.
I really hope the momentum keeps up and the car is good enough for them to learn from and avoid this in the rest of the season.
Imagine the hate both drivers get for doing no fault at all, about their championship, about 1st win.....
I don't understand how the driver ahead didn't get priority for pit stop, using "cover Hamilton" as an excuse
Lando should have told their team over the radio "No, we need the 25 points to stay closer to Max" and Oscar should have told the team "No, we need the 25 points to stay closer to Max." Niether of them did. Lando slowed down and Oscar passed. Both mistakes. They are behind the wheel. Mistake is on them as well. They make the final call. Not the team.
@Prometheus4096 lol you expect racing driver to deliberately lose? 🤣
If the team wants the driver to make the call they'll say it. "You want to cover Hamilton or Max?" Now that's up to Lando
@@RH-hz9ly No. I want them to deliberately win. You want them to deliberately lose. That's the difference. You just have an odd definition of 'winning'. McLaren didn't 'win'. They lost 6 points.
@Prometheus4096 Lando lose 6pts... seems you don't know that McLaren isn't Lando yet you say all those stuff lol
I just proved my point right? People will blame the drivers because of this, and unless you're not one of them 🤷♂️
@@RH-hz9ly Lando didn't lose 6 points. McLaren lost 6 points.
The thing I don't understand on lando's part, now don't get me wrong, this entire situation could've been avoided by mclaren, but why would you let him through so late in the race. Either let him through when the gap is only 3 seconds with many laps to go for an overtake and still win the race, or don't let him through and let the team handle it. He could've won this race one way or the other, but he chose the one where he'd definitly come second...
Because McLaren and their horrible strategy calls messed it up for Oscar so either way they were trying to save face and would have told lando to hold the order even if Lando was faster.
I think he didn’t want to let him through until that point…
If he let Oscar past earlier they wouldn't have let him take him over again no matter how much faster Lando would have been (and frankly was) -- same way he was faster than Daniel in Monza but was told to hold position. He waited until basically the last moment to let McLaren know how idiotic this whole order ended up being, his engineer pretty much said so. This way he still complied with the order but instead of making himself look the clown he made sure to have McLaren look silly.
I don't think he had thought of giving it back earlier because 1.) he felt like the team messed up the order and so why should he have to give the place back 2.) he was getting bombarded by his race engineer so he was pissed and wasn't able to think clearly 3.) he really wasn't sure what he should do, be a championship lvl driver or be a team player.
I think his race engineer should have suggested giving up the place early and then fighting Piastri for it on the track. Instead they kept feeding him bullshit about tires. Granted they probably didn't want them to fight. But with so many laps left, you can't expect Lando to just sit back and let Piastri win if that had been the case. Smh
@@thunderbandit5172Lando had been told not to fight with Oscar after lap 45, he wasn’t allowed to pass him after giving back the place so he was just making sure everyone knows he should have won.
As an Aussie and an Oscar fan, this felt so flat at 1am on a Monday morning
I hate people calling this "bittersweet" or anything like that.
As a McLaren fan, its not sweet. It's just flat out out poor and sour from McLaren.
They've ruined Lando's drive (clearly could've won that race on pace in the final stint, but bcs of mclarens strat, people will only see it as "he was ahead bcs of the stops" despite his significantly better pace in that final stint). He got given a chance to pass Oscar without losing time behind and absolutely smashed that opportunity out of the park. Once he got that lead he stepped into a grear Oscar couldnt. With bickering on the radio, emotional blackmail, vague threats and constant distracting on the radio, Lando still pulled over 4 seconds in 10 laps on Oscar despite having slightly older tyres. And that, has now gone completely unregistered and forgotten bcs of the contreversy.
And arguably (if not: definetively) even more importantly, Oscar's first win was ruined. Now there's a slight air of "well Oscar was gifted that win by a Lando who was flying into the distance" and all of a sudden there's no excitement to it. He won, but was he ACTUALLY going to win if McLaren didnt fuck around? Did McLaren intervening with Lando actually prevent a more likely result?
Obviously they should've pitted Oscar first, but if they had, Lando would've been on the slightly advantageous tyre at the end, and pushing the car to its best without bickering and distractions on the radio (which would only have improved his pace) and quite possibly ended up winning it?
Not to mention the gap Lando pulled in 10 laps after the pit stops was twice as large as the gap they entered the pits with.
Everything just feels dulled now.
Lando quite possibly should've won that race now, bcs he got a slither of a chance to win and absolutely nailed it, and Oscar couldn't do anything to stop him. But Oscar's first 2 stints were probably some of his best tyre management stints he's ever put in, in F1. Its such a shame. Could've been simply: Lando and Oscar did great as a collective (regardless of who won).
But McLaren's strat has made it: Lando and Oscar did great, but now Lando deserves the win just as much as Oscar but Oscar doesnt deserve such a shitty first win.
It's ruined it honestly. I can't even describe it. As a McLaren fan, I'm ahamed. As a Lando fan I'm disappointed bcs my boy had the pace and the consistency. As a Oscar fan I'm devastated bcs the moment I've been waiting for, for 2 years, finally occurred and it just feels awkward and just unfulfilling.
Awful feeling to have. No matter which angle you look at it, you can't find any reason to be thrilled with that result.
Agreed, lando definitely had pace in the final stint but wether he'd have been able to pass Oscar or not is a different story as Hungary is quite a hard track to overtake on but that would have been a thrilling race either way as you would have had Oscar just cling on and hold on to the win which would make it feel earned or you would have lando take it with a few laps left where it would be seen as a good drive from both and lando would get the credit for his increase in pace. In both situations it is a good result for McLaren. Only good thing is that Oscar owes lando a favour so in future, lando can in theory regain those extra 7 points
except he was pushing mad and piastri didn't
"WhO's GoNnA GiVe uP a ViCtOrY?!" While in a Ferrari shirt... As if Michael and Rubens never happened...
Different circumstances with the Michael and Rubens team orders drama
@@PumpkinVase I meant ‘02 Austria that was what I assume @andrewa9700 meant
@@magi0500 At Austria yes but not at Indy later that season. And in both instances neither winning driver deserved the win which is why those races are controversial to this day.
No kidding so many times bottas gave the victory to Hamilton
@@cantrait7311 examples???
Can we have the live reaction for HAM/VER crash please.
As Max fan i was a bit surprised Hamilton called it a racing incident , even i think that was very kind...
What he said.
@@randar1969 ham is class, max is crash 😄
@@weho_brianstop embarrassing yourself
Glad to see everyone else is in the same mind as me. It is ridiculous that McLaren put either driver in this position. Oscar should be pitted the lap after to clearly show it is just covering or the same lap. The team care so much about a 1-2 but then get annoyed they did it wrong and ask Lando to fix it for them. Lewis wasn't even that much of a threat, they had bucket loads of time. Really disappointing to see this from a team that genuinely seemed to be on the right path. Hopefully they do not cause the next Hamilton-Rosberg pair with their terrible decision making.
All this talk of teamwork. Surely proper teamwork would be maximising both championships and having a 1-2 with the leading driver in the championship taking the 25 pts
They were looking at maximising the result in the race as they saw the potential for Lewis to have a shot at Lando.
For those talking about Lando having a title shot - very unlikely. When Max finishes off the podium, that is a bad day for him and he doesn't have too many of them.
McLaren for constructor's - that is a realistic goal this year
Why does McLaren keep screwing over Oscar "I like to keep my options open" Piastri and where was Hannah Schmitz on Lap 16, on a coffee break?! 🤨
Zak wasn't there this weekend
@@jasonhenry9440 as if...
Mclaren should be lando is ahead in points and close enough in the championship at the mid mark they need to choose a #1 driver then reset the next season until one shows more dominant
@@jasonhenry9440 Unless Zak is in the hospital for a quadruple bypass, there is no excuse for Zak not being at the track. Zak has one job, leading the team, but he failed to live up to his responsibilities. This is not the first screw up by the team. McLaren has the car, they have the drivers, but the pitwall keeps screwing up...
@@2Fast4Mellow zak is the ceo of McLaren racing which involves the f1 team, indycar teM, formula e team and extreme e team, he was at the indycar event this weekend
Lando didnt spray his teammate on the podium. He went after Hamilton with the champaign
Wonder if McLaren have hired strategy people from Ferrari haha
Andrea Stella used to work with Schumacher so just look at that and that tells you everything
mclaren pulled the gaslight strategy. i wouldnt have liked to be in Landos position and i would make sure my voice was the loudest in the debrief.
If Lando loses to max at the end of the year by six or less points. He is going to kick Zak Brown and the whole rest of the team in the nuts.
Hope he loses by 1 🤣
I would actually buy the pay per view of Norris kicking Brown.
zak wasn't even at this race😭. he'd be better off kicking stella.
Max also lost points thanks yo his team this year
He'll lose by much more let's not forget that Max has 7 wins this season while Lando has 1.
I love how the boys' narratives changed after the round of pit stops lol
McLaren royally f-ed up. Oscar deserves a regular (first) win, not this tainted one. When he had legitimately gained time on Norris, it would have been kinda okay. But this was farcical.
What if Lando is less than 7 points short in Abu Dhabi? They would’ve wasted a WDC.
Lando saying he is proud to get this 1,2 on merit while smiling through the pain was genius.
Destroyed Oscars first win.
First time I see something like this in 20 years, this reminds me of Multi 21 drama except Lando should have gone for the win like Seb did.
Love how Mclaren literally threatened Lando's career over live radio when they wouldnt be in the position they are without his efforts over the past 5 years
With all of his race wins?😂😊
@urbanpermie6307 developing the car from the bottom of the grid to a race winning package with them
Completely undeserved win by Oscar. And a bad team decision, because Lando is 2nd in the overall score. This was like a quadruple fail. They should have given Oscar the ideal pit strategy, and then gave Oscar the team order to let Lando pass for the championship. This was a disgrace!
I hate team orders. They make F1 look like a laughing stock for fans everywhere.
lead car has pit priority, McLaren forgot they are title contenders and still deploying midfield strategies
Champions don't give the spot back. Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton or Verstapen wouldn't. Shame on the team to out them both in this position. They didn't have to pit Lando first.
Hamilton has done it before but the other no.
No, the right thing to do was for Lando to give the place back immediately given that Oscar let him have first stop (LW undercut bs), and then fight out the last laps with Oscar
Max and Lewis would never have given back position.
Max wouldn’t, Lewis would, like he did for bottas on the same track few years ago
Lewis has already done this before with Vallteri, swapped on the last lap
@@KeangoDLuke tbh it wasn’t for the win so Im not too sure anymore
As others have said Lewis did with Bottas but that was also very clearly discussed well before hand as it should have been. Mclaren lucky to have a great car and two great drivers as their operations and strategy are a disaster.
@@jaxteller8735 wasn’t for the lead of the race which is a major factor
McLaren deserves all the hate for the embarrassment they put their drivers through. They should have just stood by their first screw up and let Lando take the W and apologized dearly to Oscar. Instead, they made an even bigger fool of themselves pleading and trying to put it on Lando conscience to give up the place!?! That is the most unsatisfying 1-2 victory in F1 i've ever seen in all my years watching.
Yeah, I was a bit more partial before, but after thinking about it a bit more, I do have to put it solely on the team for messing up the strategy for this one
"You can't win the championship on your own. You're gonna need oscar and you're gonna need the team"
The team just told Lando to throw away 7 easy points. How is that needing the team to win the championship?
Lando was faster on track, he got pole position, so it's not like he didn't earn this win as much as Oscar, if not more.
If this was near the end of the season and the championship was as good as gone, yeah, then I understand gifting Oscar this win, but now with half a season left still, Lando needs every point he can get to close the gap on Max.
I mean he was behind at the time the team made the clear call...
@@owenrodgers8020so clear, they gaslit and threatened lando for the next 15laps, acting like he did something wrong
he got pole by 0.022 and sat behind oscar the entire race not mention they undercut oscar twice. he didn't do anything to earn that win
Lando is over 3 wins behind and only has 1 in his whole career.
@@ronmastrio2798 Doesn't matter. Lando is the better driver with the way better car. What is Max gonna do? He also has no team mate. The odds that Lando wins are way above 50%. But they did literally throw 6 points in the trash bin this weekend. if they do this one more time, it is going to cost them the title.
Race finishing order:
1. Second place
2. First place
3. Third place place
McLaren: has the best car.
McLaren: qualifies P1 & P2.
McLaren: discussing anything in advance? Why?
Imagine someone guilt tripping you while you’re driving 200 mph
Ok, so how many ex ferrari staff does McLearn have?
All of them.
Someone at The Race made a really good point that someone senior should have ordered Lando on the radio and preserved that driver/race enigineer relationship, and suddenly 'Valtteri it's James' made so much more sense, Lando and Will's relationship I'm sure will survive this but not without some damaged trust.
THey mess up Oscar's pit stop and somehow it's Lando's fault and he has to step aside. Well, he now knows which way the wind is blowing as he considers his future.
Funny stat if Norris wins every race going forward for the season he will end up op 464 points and if max comes 2nd every race he will be on 463.. So lando wins hy one point which means it will be very difficult even if lando wins every race. And if Lando finishes 2nd every race it will be 387 and if max finishes 5th every race it will be 375 so gona be a tight one to win for Lando unless the redbull falls away. Just to note there is obviously still some sprint and fastest lap points that weren't included here
Question for everyone in the comments, If max had dnf from that collision with Lewis, do u think McLaren would have orderd lando to give back the position?
Absolutely. It would be the most Ferrari thing to do
They probably would have done it even if it was the last race and Lando needed those 6 points to pass Max.
That's the difference between Lando and the greats they would of just ignored team orders
Max didn't even do it for Checo for a 6th place in Brazil. Vettel didn't do it for Webber. Hamilton might've done it for Bottas a few times but Bottas had to do it way more for Hamilton. I mean imagine telling that to Michael Schumacher.
@@brenxbux And all of those drivers are hated for that meanwhile Lando would get glazed for being a a brat.
Lando should have put a couple of slow laps in, charging battery, cooling tyres/brakes/engine, allowed Oscar through where it would be advantageous to him, then challenged for and taken the victory. Instead he made himself and McLaren look extremely silly.
I wondered if Lando had intelligence, my beliefs are being verified.