Marvin Harrison Jr. vs. Malik Nabers: Who is the No.1 WR? | First Draft
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Field Yates and Mel Kiper Jr. take a deep dive into the loaded debate around the No.1 Wide Receiver in this years 2024 NFL Draft Class. Plus the duo shine a spotlight on some of their favorite players rising through the later rounds of the Draft.
00:00 Intro
1:40 - Malik Nabers vs Marvin Harrison Jr.
8:40 - Spotlight Players - Offense
17:30 - Late Round Gems
23:00 - Spotlight Players - Defense
41:00 - Mel goes Off Script
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Perfect example of prospect fatigue. Marvins been so clear for over a year now that they turn it into a debate that doesnt exist. Nabers is nasty, but mhj is a generational talent
@@broq9194 idiot take. He's the BEST route runner, has the BEST hands & can make explosive plays. He did it all the way into the Georgia game. He was TORCHING them before he got hurt. MHJ is a 6'4 matchup nightmare & has Larry Fitzgerald written all over him at worst. Idk if he's the best but as far as tape & eye test none of these WRs do anything better than him. They all play in diff offenses so route trees are diff but telling yourself that any of these WRs can catch, run routes better than MHJ is just bias. Also Nabers had Daniels & Odunze had MPJ..
@@MikkiChavez MHJ is Larry Fitzgerald/AJ Green and Nabers is JaMarr/OBJ. Everyone agrees MHJ is gonna be a perennial Pro Bowler, it's just about Nabers being able to peak as the actual best receiver in the league.
@@edenfesi6517 the best WR ever is Jerry Rice. Who plays more like him?
@@MikkiChavez Jerry Rice played football from the 80s through the early 2000s, the game is completely different now. Football when Jerry Rice played was about 2 receiver sets and having outside receivers line up on the boundary winning 1-on-1.
Nowadays you have motion, the best receivers get used in the slot a bunch, coaches are good at scheming people open, etc.
Being a possession guy is great, but most good OCs can get guys open if they're reasonably skilled, so what they actually want is receivers that can go get yards after that. CeeDee, JaMarr, Tyreek, Cooper Kupp, AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Jefferson, etc. To be at the actual top of the top now, you have to be a YAC demon, that's where Nabers wins.
Naber is Also a Generational Talent. You probably focus on his Name his Father Created. Nabers is the #1 Graded WR in all of College in 2023.
Kyle Pitts out here catching strays
Facts 💯 because of bad QB play
Can’t run routes, just watch him, he looks like a robot coming out of breaks
These dudes are both 1.A. Good coaches build their plans around the players, but with two options like this they will pick who fits their personal ideology more. It’s not as simple as who’s better. They both have to go to the right team.
Facts 💯 can't go wrong with either
It’s Marvin as WR1. He’s the correct mixture of refinement, athleticism, technicality and knowledge of the game is a rare combination. Malik is very good himself, although he needs to refine his route running and get stronger at LOS.
marvin is the no.1 for the cards. nabers is the no.1 for the chargers. which team will stay put, thats the question.... next question what position that FIelds played in school....
There is an argument to be made about nabers work at the line of scrimmage. LSU coaches their wrs to go around contact rather than through so you can keep that in mind
@@kelvincabrera558 that’s true. I was speaking to the fact he started the season on the LOS, and he wasn’t as effective. Then maybe week 3 he moved to a slot position and he was feasting. Uber talented in his on right
@@danielreynolds3694 good point. I guess either one will be fine for the chargers. We could also really use him in the slot as well if qj can play on the outside but I guess that’s a big if
I think MHJ is the clear best, not just in this draft, but pretty much any. He’s a sure product.
With Harrison Jr., it's more about the hype. With Nabers, just look at the tape. Nabers is more explosive than Harrison Jr. and racks up more yards after the catch than Harrison Jr.
@@jodizzle6321 so what lol MHJ is a matchup nightmare & prototypical WR. He can make explosive plays as well. Don't matter if he's not Tyreek lol
@@jodizzle6321Marvin sheds press/contact better than any wr coming out in a while along with everything else. Him being able to shed contact and create separation almost instantly makes him the best prospect because most reasons why wrs bust is because they can’t shed press so easy even when they have all the other tools, jerry jeudy for example.
@@jodizzle6321 you’re probably watching just casual highlights on UA-cam. If you watch tape on Harrison from beginning to the end of the play you’d see how good he is, don’t watch the typical broadcast angle because you can’t see him for 3-5 seconds when the play starts and most of the time can’t even see him run the route. Watch better tape
Finally someone that actually took the time to watch tape instead of the controversy hungry regurgitation I’ve been seeing in the comment section. Going off the film, you’ll see how the likes of Alabama and FSU gave Nabers issues when pressed. MHJ also played predominantly on the perimeter (leaving less room to work for rac opportunities) as opposed to Nabers who played mostly out of the slot with soft coverage thus providing him greater room to work. The route trees they were tasked with as well weren’t comparable. Also the whole knock of MHJ being an incapable rac threat is laughable to say the least (averaged 6.4/rec). Players with those numbers are the likes of ceedee lamb and Justin Jefferson. Hopefully everyone actually does some homework for a change.
Nabers has always been my WR1. The media is just starting to catch on.
baby, cardinals no.1 wr is marvin, chargers no.1 wr is nabers...... soooooo. it cardinals move back, nabers is no.1. if not marvin is no.1.... its not the media, marvin was the media darling, just scout experts just got started to go deep dive. got revealed. like drake maye.... id go nabers for me in this nfl. but some more old school prototype scouting team, like the gm of the cardinals come from patriots would go marvin....
Oh wow everyone is so impressed
He is so dang good. Nobody truly knows unless they watch LSU and all their games. What he does for them and how much pressure he draws away from the other receiver. I freaking love Nabers.
@@broq9194Marvin is DEFINITELY the most skilled. But I agree in terms of explosiveness, athleticism, and raw talent
@@d_rod3the only thing mhj has nabers beat is contested catches, catching in traffic and probably better route running acumen, but once nabers develops his route running a bit in the nfl he’s more likely to outproduce mhj
😂 when he called out Mad Mel from Mcafee 😂
Never and i mean never pass on a LSU 1St Round Wr..
I’m a Bama fan and even I agree with you on this. Y’all constantly produce good to top tier WRs.
Never pass on a osu wr either
Right Jefferson and Chase should be obvious
Ive been mocking up nabors 1 to bears and brian thomas jr 2nd to redskins forever they all laughed
because both gms wouldn't even make it through the draft before being fired @@MichaelHawkins-yd6ge
If marv wasn’t named Marvin Harrison jr there is no way he would go before Nabers.
I hate when they say he Malik had jd5 well compare Mhj stat last with Malik stats this yeah last everyone forgot MHJ had C.J
It’s all about landing spots for wrs. We’re yelling at clouds at this point. 😂
Marvin Harrison Jr is absolutely the best receiver in this draft!!!..... anyone who says anything different doesn't watch college football!!! They just go with what name they hear. With that said anyone of these kids would make your team that much better....we may be looking at the best receiver class ever!
I’ve watched for over twenty years. MHj easily one of the most overhyped prospects ive ever seen. He’s jerry jeudy but even more overhyped.
@@allgold3rrthang😂😂😂😂
If you swapped Malik and Marvin's name around (Malik to Marvin, Marvin to Malik) then there wouldn't even be a debate who the WR1 is.
I think the opposite, anyone saying MHJ is the number 1 is just listening to the media lol I’ve been saying Nabers is the best WR in this class but it all comes down to style preference. Nabers is more aggressive in style and I appreciate that more in a WR
@@som3839 nabers is clear. MHj is just a media darling.
Rome Odunze is #1..stop CAPPIN
It's not surprising that the one who's putting himself out there more, who has elite talent in his own right and better in some areas, is receiving more last-minute hype. MHJr may very well be better but marketing yourself is a big part of the draft process. Nabers comes off confident and has that dog in him, meanwhile you see more of MHSr more than Jr.
mhj is my 13th wr. trey benson is my 17th rb. i am glad i am not an american!!!!
@@dodu8281 you serious?
@@argarg6203 i dont watch college football. i just use nfl draf buzz then i watched the top 30 all positions and their highlights. example, blake watson tape is top 5 for me. he is not listed on my dynasty team to choose in the draft. marvin harrison looks like the darling here, i havent seen break one tackle on my tape. he actually go down nobody around after the catch not even trying to keep going and kill people. i dont know not my kind of guy. nabers is on my top 5.
Do you even watch college football at all? He ran last year at c. J's pro day in every single. N f l team was there. His father explained. He's gonna be training to be the best wide receiver. He can be day one starting in the. Nfl, instead of wasting his time doing draft drills.
Field sound quality could be improved. Minnesota provides a lot of good DBs Chop Robinson will go at the end of the 1st round or early 2nd round
from someone that doesn’t watch any college ball and only hears names, I think the reason it’s questioned is because of the fact that he’s MHJ and that the class is so good, there’s just too many names to go around. it would be interesting if nabers or odunze get taken before..
How does this guy Mel kooker still have a job ? He get everything wrong and has no insights on football and it’s clear
Because he popularized the idea of mock drafts and made the idea of TV draft coverage what it is today. He’s the godfather of the modern draft.
ESPN, get Field a real microphone! The treble coming off these airpod-casts is torture of the ears!
Yes.
Nabors is WR1. He can do things the others will never be able to do. Marv may be the safest, but Nabors is the best. Nabors is faster than Marv, his was 1st in on the field speed Marv was 8th. Nabors vastly out produced Marv on essentially the same amount of targets per game, primarily because of YAC. The only thing Marv can do that nabors can't do is have a famous dad.
Marvs route running is better. But other than that u could be right.
Harrison jr is bigger and will most likely translate way better in the nfl. He’s also from Philly he’s gotta have some heart.
@@sirfish9824nabers is big asf he is built like dk
@@sirfish9824When you look at the top WR's in the NFL they are around the size of Nabors not Harrison. The new prototype is smaller and more explosive not big like the old days.
The number 1 wide receiver in this years draft is Rome odunze. I don’t care what anyone says.
Who has better hands and who runs the best routes? That's the pick. I've seen tons of really fast guys that just can't catch consistently.
Marvin Harrisson is talented and polished - but in a way, that's part of his problem... raised by such a prolific H0F WR, MHJ has been coached up to within an inch of his life, meaning that he is a finished product right now. He's as good as he is going to get. Malik Nabors is very raw right now, with lot's of room to improve his game... and he's STILL good enough to be in debate as to which is the better WR right now. That tells me all I need to know with regards to what the future may hold.
Also, Nabors just posted a 42" vertical and 4.35 40 at LSU's pro day.
While MHJ is certainly a 'safe' prospect, I think his ceiling is lower than many realize. Don't forget, he has a tendency to disappear in games:
2023
vs. Minnesota: 3 catches for 30 yards
vs. Rutgers: 4 catches for 25 yards
vs. Notre Dame: 3 catches for 32 yards
vs. Indiana: 2 catches for 18 yards
I think it’s preference. Do you want a Julio Jones type of WR or do you want a Tyreek Hill type of WR . At the end of the day you can’t go wrong.
Hill is significantly smaller and faster than Nabers… that’s a pretty dumb comp.
@@NateBeeit's actually a pretty good comp based on play style. They don't have to be the exact same size and 40 to be similar haha
@@NateBeeyou couldn't take 2 secs & think? Lol
Nabers has been my number 1. I’m not gonna get into it though because I know a lot of people love to hate😌
How is evaluating hating
When two terrific guys come out in the same year why does one have to be loved and one hated? Both these guys are dudes. Period. NFL studs guaranteed. Odunze will be nice too just not the yards after the catch speed of these two.
Nabers was always WR1
Marvin Harrison Jr literally can remove the "Jr" for the type of player he is. He looks exactly like his dad. He has every route and the highest floor. Nabers is the high upside player and Odunze would be the #1 wr in any other draft. He is a stronger version of Marvin Harrison Jr. In terms of fantasy, the landing spot will determine who I draft. I own pick #3. I may even trade down and take which ever of the 3 receivers is left.
I love how everyone is an NFL scout for the draft all of a sudden when it comes to WR 😂😂😂😂 stfu
Kinglsey, Alt, and Latham are going to be 10 year starters. Idk what the disconnect is with Kingsley, he has all the tools and attitude you want.
Take your pick. You can't lose!
We have two HOF sons coming into the league next year! To bad Rice didn’t get the good genes like Harrison Jr did 😢
Just need some to debate about
What Mel is saying is it doesn't matter who I put first or second I'm not getting fired if I'm wrong 😂
I love both Nabers and Harrison but if I have choice between them I take Nabers . I know you guys didn’t call Evan Neil being a bust JS
I think a lot of the Nabers as #1 WR comes from Marvin Harrison Jr. not doing any combine or measurement stuff and teams and people want to dock him for that so that future players dont do the same
Not that I think what he is doing is wrong or should drop his stock but we all know the NFL and the top brass want players to fall in line and do what they are asked
Hoping the chargers go for Malik Nabers at #5
Neither one, save this, it’s gonna be penix
Hayden sounded much more knowledgeable on the prospect. The other guy clearly ddint watch btj.
He always was, but y’all just slept on him.
Spencer Rattler is the next Jeff Garcia
They keep deleting my stuff because they don’t like the facts
Nabers had a timed 40… poor release time for this video
Malik Nabers is like Tyreek Hill & Deebo Samuel infusion
MHJ is Megatron, Larry Fitzgerald, and Jerry Rice infusion.
@@AZsportshut🤯
@@AZsportshuthe's not even remotely similar to Calvin lmao
Nabers over Harrison and they snubbed him for that award!
Such a dynamic duo
Stop if any team/GM that doesn't need a QB and passes on MHJ you would be fired!
These dudes acting like Nabors didn't have over 1000 yards and over70 rec in 2022 as well.
Mel Pat wants you on there not Yates? That isn't even close but I'm sure ty could be yates as well
Who on earth would want Field Yates on their show lmao
Nabors is the next Odell without the nonsense
Nobody is talking about Malik getting caught with a gun without a permit in New Orleans during his Junior year....
Good, maybe you shouldn't either
Harrison Jr is the safer pick but my instincts tell me Nabers
I think both will be really good. I also like Thomas jr McConkey Roman Wilson ricky pearsall. Rome odunze has busy written all over him. The guy I hear works hard at getting better but his film stinks
Odunze W1A
Harrison Jr. W1B
Nabers W1C
Ultimately who goes first doesn't mean anything. Receiver in modern NFL is a flavor position. You can win in so many ways, and ultimately the QB they end up with will say more about their career than anything. For me Harrison Jr can't run routes anywhere close to Odunze, his hips are just linear to me, still explosive but not super fluid. Nabers has way better YAC than Harrison Jr. But MHJ has the best size/explosion combo.
Odunze is not the best lol
If you put Odunze higher than 3rd, you better go do some research Lil homie
@som3839 You said he isn't and I said he is. Cool
@@KingofeverythingChicagoBearsLoL I can guarantee I've done more than you.
@@BoomorBust stop it!! 🤦🤡
Yeah keep pushing mhj down the board 🐻⬇️
I’d stay away from odunze. He is the jump ball guy cuz he struggles to get separation. He offers zero run after the catch and from what I saw fumbles way too much for a wr.
Lol what even is this argument? MHJr would’ve been the #1 receiver taken last year too.
I have Rome Onduze and Malik Nabors ahead of Marvin Harrison Jr who is smoke screening these 2 players who out played him on film 🎥 in big games 🎯 ROME ONDUZE WAS A HAIR FROM MANY PASSES THAT WOULD HAVE FLIPPED THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 🏆 VS MICHIGAN Washington QB didn't have his best game ☘️
Omg they need to stop having so many sports talk shows .. their literally like this guy tied his shoe different is he now the best ever
Just rename OSU and LSU to Wide Receiver Universities 1 and 2
Harrison #1, Colman #2, best 2 WR all season until the draft feelosophy came about. Saw Colman and Nabers game 1
0:00 No
Nabers is so much better than MH who will be good but nabers will be a superstar
All roads lead to Rome
Rome is not good. Go back on UA-cam someone created a video of all of his targets from this past season. You see a guy who struggles to separate. Offers zero run after the catch and oddly fumbles a lot
@@blankname6629 the guy who “struggled to separate” lead the nation in receiving yards, was 2nd in receptions among power 5 schools only behind Malik Washington who played at UVA which was particularly weak this year. So clearly he’s doing something right… oh yah he lead the nation in contested catch rate… over your boy MHJ who’s supposed to specialize in that. BTW, Malik Nabers has more career FUMLs than Odunze. If your primary critique is that he has 1 FUML in his entire career you’re only helping my argument.
Rome Odunze is the true #1. You’ll see
Daniel is the man
MN is the clear #1 WR IMO. That's not a knock on MH JR- it's simply a statement to how good MN is.
Cardinal fans want MHJ.
Field isn't Mel, but he tries to act like him. ... Abbott isn't Costello. The straight man shouldn't go wonky. Fasten those dentures and can the opinion. Stay in your lane. Don't gutter the ball.
1. Nabers
2. MHJ
3. Franklin
4. Odunze
5. Mitchell
mhj is my 13th wr. trey benson is my 17th rb. i am glad i am not an american!!!!
Tried to sneak in Franklin😭
Nabers is not the New WR1. He was always the WR1
Runningbacks are becomming Wide receivers.
If Nabers last name was rice or Owens he’d be the wr1 easily
Marvin the Martian
i don't think that this is a real question
🤔
If Nabers lands at the giants then his stock will plummet.
I know this is a getting laughed out of the room level unpopular opinion for some reason but I think Rome Adunze is the guy who is gonna have the best NFL career. His game is so polished.
@@broq9194 I think he uses and understands leverage as good or better than any college reciever I have seen and hes a hands catcher which helps.
Xavier Legette will be the best WR in this draft. Just remember where you were when you heard this so you can come back and take your medicine and apologize for all the negative comments you are about to send my way
Odunze is not in the same conversation with Nabers and MHJ
Yeah, he's much better, stats don't lie.
Jefferson outshined the last big three so will Adonai mitchell
🌶️🔥 🌶️ I like the take, we shall see.
MHJ is faster AJ green.
Rome Odunze is bigger faster Dehop
Malik is OBJ with worse hands
Take your pick
Brian Thomas is more AJ green, MHJ is a more explosive Devante Adams with his nuanced route tree. Malik is a faster AJ Brown imo, a little less physical but more explosive.
Rome is a smaller D-Hop then. Rome is taller but D-Hop's wingspan is 6'8 and Odunze's is 6'4. You don't catch the ball with the top of your head.
@@phl2150 oduze has a 3 inch higher vertical jump. Also being taller raises the circle of your catch radius, so while dehops might have a larger circumference, oduzes is 5 inches higher in the air.
They’re similar because of their route running ability, their contested catch stats, the explosive first step, and their strong hands through contact. Oduze is bigger and faster and has a higher catch radius. My points still stand
WRs are only as good as their qb.
Nabers ran a 4.35
I do wonder if he wasn’t literally named Marvin Harrison if he would be considered the the #1 WR or not
Of course he would.
No, Daniel was horrible. He mumbled and trailed off on some questions and started yelling for no reason. Theatre major guy trying to be a sports talk show host, nah.
JJ ran 4.43
Rattler rd 3-4 could be a steal. He has legit arm talent. At his best, he looks like a mix of Baker and (prime) Russ. Potential high upside pick
Mel Kiper is HIM whatever he say I believe when it comes to football
MHJ is Jeff Okudah 2.0. Overrated due to name and school and hype. I thought I would be impressed watching him, unfortunately not.
Okudah is a DB Harrison Jr is the best not even close listen to Mel Kiper or even Cynthia Frelund
@@KevinLopez-np8qmThose dudes know their stuff. Good advice.
He look like he trip acid and try to convince people
No he is not. Silly season and clickity click bait
LSU is WRU
THIS VIDEO IS BS 🤡🤡 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE AGAINST MARVIN HARRISON JR BUT YOU DON'T ALLOW IN ANY CRITIQUE OR CRITICISM FROM SOMEONE AT ESPN THAT DOESN'T HAVE HIM #1 THIS IS A SHAME JOB 🚨
I wish the Giants would hire Mel Kiper 😮
Nabers is WR1
Both are amazing but Harrison won the biletnikoff with Kyle McCord at Qb and Neighbors had a heisman winner throwing him the ball
But Nabers had the better season....it wasn't even close
No
Neither. It’s Rome Odunze. Mark my words
MHJ>Nabers in everything except RAC
One played with a heisman winning QB and one played with someone who’s gonna be sticking shelves at Walmart overnights soon, case in point don’t @ me.
These ppl just trying desperately to be different whether it’s ego or prospect fatigues whatever. Anyone who thinks Nabers is over MHJ is an absolute moron. Also probably doesn’t watch actual film just highlight tapes lmao.
Besides the RAC numbers MHJ has Nabers beat in all aspects.
The fact Harrison refused to do anything from testing to pro day, to Combine. I think Nabers jumps him and maybe Odunze does as well. Nobody likes a WR who is full of himself. Reason why Dez Bryant was never given another chance when left the cowboys.
Watch ash interview with Marvin. He’s not selfish at all. Not working out is part of the strategy when you’re a top 10 guy.
@@ThePurpleParty420 yah when it’s a stacked WR class you don’t get this privilege or you will be passed up for guys who proved they are in the same boat that Harrison is. Nabers in my opinion already jumped Harrison. Odunze and Harrison are in the same level.
@@WAFFLEBOYPHD and that’s why you’re not an NFL scout. I’m not either, but if it barks like a dog and looks like a dog, it’s probably a dog.
@@ThePurpleParty420 I might not be a scout I’m tired people using this excuse to discredit other peoples opinions and what they think. I’ve been studying and doing my own research on all of theses talents since beginning of last year for my dynasty team and I know more then just the casual observer. I’m not saying Harrison will be bad in the league. I’m saying Harrison due to how he has acted over this time. Will turn teams away. I don’t care if you like or don’t it’s the truth. I wouldn’t wanna spend my 4th pick in the draft on a guy who refused to do anything.