A Better 3 Bucket Strategy

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  • Today we look at how the 2 bucket strategy and 3 bucket strategy are fundamentally different. Then I cover what I think is a better 3 bucket strategy.
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  • @a-borgia4993
    @a-borgia4993 10 місяців тому +65

    Retirement is not about optimizing returns.... it is about living comfortably with minimum worries.

    • @freedomlife3623
      @freedomlife3623 10 місяців тому +7

      Totally agree with you. Anyone planning their retirement based on optimisée return will be stressed to chase the return.

  • @ActaNonVerba1961
    @ActaNonVerba1961 10 місяців тому +21

    Almost nobody is talking about the elephant, or should I say Bear, in the room… the proposition that the 60/40 equities/debt allocation was disastrous in recent history. How do you re-balance when both your stocks and your bonds are down? I believe THAT is the reason why we see recommendations for larger cash allocations… certainly more than 1 or 2 years worth of cash

    • @markaustin5269
      @markaustin5269 10 місяців тому +3

      I would certainly want more than 1 year in cash.

    • @MDE123
      @MDE123 10 місяців тому +6

      Yes having 2 to 3 years in cash gives you a good chance of riding out times like the past 19 months without having to touch the stock/bond portion but there is no free lunch. In "normal" times 3 years cash will put a drag on the portfolio. A willingness to spend less by, at the very least, postponing major purchases during duel stock/bond downturns would help also.

  • @markaustin5269
    @markaustin5269 10 місяців тому +20

    I plan on a 2 bucket approach. A cash bucket and a balanced fund(stocks and bonds in same bucket). When the fund is doing well take from the fund. When the fund isn't doing well take from cash. No need to jump back and forth between stocks and bonds in order to maintain a desired allocation. The balanced fund will do that for me.

    • @augustwest9339
      @augustwest9339 10 місяців тому +5

      That is what I do. Why mess with all this multiple bucket crap. One balance fund and a cash account is all you need for simplicity.

    • @markaustin5269
      @markaustin5269 10 місяців тому +3

      @@augustwest9339 Agreed. Why make it more complicated than it needs to be.

    • @ivanvarykino8202
      @ivanvarykino8202 5 місяців тому

      Thanks for your comments. I have been suffering information overload on how to manage consolidation of assets after losing my wife. Totally agree that simplicity and managability is huge. Will look into Vanguard balanced funds since I currently have split in separate bond and stock funds.

    • @Jary3166
      @Jary3166 Місяць тому

      Isn't it a form of market timing, vs. rebalancing from stocks/bonds?

  • @janethunt4037
    @janethunt4037 10 місяців тому +9

    Thank you, thank you!!!! I'm sorry I missed the live presentation, but this really helped me clarify what I want to do. I've long felt that the bucket strategy was a fancy term for rebalancing, and your example proved that. I'm with you on having one year in cash. Love the idea of rebalancing and refilling the bucket quarterly. My husband is retiring next year, and I think we are closing in on a plan of spending because we've watched so many of your videos.

  • @Mark-oq9fl
    @Mark-oq9fl 10 місяців тому +7

    What is the point of holding 2 years' worth of expenses in cash (or even one) if you are topping off quarterly regardless of market conditions? Are you really reducing your risk exposure?

  • @Bob-yh7ir
    @Bob-yh7ir 10 місяців тому +5

    We are doing the same with multiple buckets and streams of income. 25% of income will come from dividend funds, almost 10% from high yield interest accounts. Then the rest from IRAs and after tax account. We are going into early retirement in a year. We have been building a 4 year cash bucket with most of it in high interest money market or savings accounts so it is relatively liquid should we need or want to invest some of it. That way we can ride out the longest historical downturn before things started coming back up. We plan to not pull regularly off the accounts ( like quarterly ) but instead on a yearly model. If there are gains at the beginning of any year, we take some cash to back fill as needed, or perhaps it's end of year things are up and if down, we stay away and just take the dividends and interest on savings along with cash to slow the burn and that would last 4 to 6 years before we had to sell and pull down replacement income. Stress testing this plan over the past 75+ years has shown we would never have had a problem during any of the volatile market crashes and recoveries. Brings peace of mind for sure.

  • @davidroberts7996
    @davidroberts7996 10 місяців тому +7

    All of these points were very beneficial. Thank you.
    As we start to refine our strategy, I think a large concern is how will that strategy impact a spouse if they become the "administrator" of the strategy. No matter the situation, in most cases (I believe) one partner has more involvement with the day-to-day tasks associated with whatever strategy is decided upon.
    I guess this sounds somewhat negative but we hear many family members and friends that find themselves (or their love ones) in turmoil when something happens and they have to "take over" - often with months of a "state of shock" taking precedent over everything else, in the case of loss...
    Thanks again! David

  • @rickdunn3883
    @rickdunn3883 10 місяців тому +4

    Rob, your 3 Bucket Better Strategy is what I've been doing for years. Right now I use 1.5 yrs in cash because the rates are high. But may drop that to 1 year as the rates go down. ITs easy... but will get more complex with tax efficiency aspects and different types of taxable, tax free, tax deferred accounts are involved.

  • @RobWilliams007
    @RobWilliams007 10 місяців тому +27

    The three bucket strategy to me was always to do with tax buckets : tax-deferred, tax free and taxable (put into a brokerage and get taxed as long-term equities).

    • @jmc8076
      @jmc8076 9 місяців тому

      Sounds like diff way to say accounts.

    • @dea136
      @dea136 3 місяці тому

      Same, I agree with the concepts of this video but calling both things the 3 bucket strategy is very confusing. 3 bucket to me was always about tax optimizing account withdraws with tax deferred>capital gains>tax advantaged. This video is about allocation and rebalancing. Rob should combine and do a video on both together!

  • @bubbaburke
    @bubbaburke 10 місяців тому +5

    Why not combine stock bond into a balanced fund based on your risk profile. Say Lifestrategy 60/40 and 1 year cash. Have the fun do the rebalancing for you to keep your risk low. If the fund has a significantly down year, use cash for that year. Otherwise use 4% from the fund every year.

    • @markaustin5269
      @markaustin5269 10 місяців тому

      That's what I plan on doing. Let the single fund take care of the allocation for me.

  • @Kimmer
    @Kimmer 10 місяців тому +6

    Rob, according to a good video you did previously referencing the Kitces study, is that a better approach than the typical bucket approach is to just use an allocation of stocks and bonds and it will outperform trying to guess how much to keep in the buckets. In addition, it's much simpler and all one needs to do is rebalance. By keeping lots of money in a cash bucket simply prevents earning potential and you are better off using an allocation approach even if there might be years where the funds are down. Cash might make people sleep better, but it's based on a false premise and not on historical data. After watching this video, essentially you are recommending the same thing. Thanks for the video!

  • @markmorris2517
    @markmorris2517 9 місяців тому +5

    @RobBerger You said you have about 1yr in cash. Does that include your emergency fund or is that outside of your emergency fund? Thanks.

  • @Frank-nh9fe
    @Frank-nh9fe 10 місяців тому +5

    While in retirement it is more about preservation than growth. I prefer the traditional 3 bucket approach. Yes you can buy when stocks are down, but they can stay down or flat for a long time. Limited time horizon in retirement.

    • @royprovins7037
      @royprovins7037 10 місяців тому +3

      Agree. Retirement is for fun. Keep it simple.

  • @TheMatadore
    @TheMatadore Місяць тому +1

    I think of the bucket strategy as Deferred, Roth and Brokerage/After tax. I am structuring our investments as such.

  • @marshallbutler1137
    @marshallbutler1137 10 місяців тому +2

    Rob, thank you for this video! The best breakdown I have seen!

  • @user-vg1by7wz7b
    @user-vg1by7wz7b 10 місяців тому +4

    Your “better 3 bucket strategy” resembles very much the 2 bucket strategy. The big difference seems to be that in the former stocks and bonds are separated in to 2 buckets, interconnected to exchange funds for rebalancing; while the latter achieves the same thing within 1 bucket.

  • @AlanB.-zh2fj
    @AlanB.-zh2fj 9 місяців тому +1

    Hey Rob, Here are some more details on Harold Evensky's bucket strategy from 2 of his books: 1. "The New Wealth Management" (2022), beginning on page 50, and 2. "Retirement Income Redesigned: Master Plans for Redistribution" (2006), beginning on page 185. Thanks for this video and the one with Harold a while back.

  • @M22Research
    @M22Research 10 місяців тому +2

    Emergency funds vs Bucket 1… perhaps I’m more conservative, but I consider Emergency funds and Living expenses to be two entirely different things. Even though they might be in Cash/Money Markets accounts.
    We know living expenses will happen. They are predictable like the sun rises.
    However, emergencies by definition are unpredictable.
    Another type of near term spending is predictable but not routine expenses. This might be replacing vehicles, buying a boat, or updating a kitchen.
    We treat Bucket 1, Emergency, and near term Non-Routine expenses the same way. They are in effect sub-buckets or folders within Bucket 1.

  • @BLR653
    @BLR653 10 місяців тому +2

    Ultimately everyone has total portfolio that has some asset allocation. I agree rebalancing makes a LOT more sense then using buckets for mental accounting purposes. Asset allocation and rebalancing takes the guess work out of it.

  • @gcburkett
    @gcburkett 10 місяців тому +3

    So the question is a static allocation in retirement better than a dynamic allocations system. The static allocation is the easiet to implement but does that make sense for everyone. Say you want to retire at 62 but not start social security until age 70. Maybe you create a bucket of money to cover this timeframe that is low volatility and leave rest in a 70/30 stock allocation. This would be somewhat of a dynamic allocation model but is it wrong. I know this is not the traditional 3 bucket method but it is more the time segmentation approach I am looking at right now. I am 57 now so have a few years to figure out how to handle this period.

  • @ewetuber186000
    @ewetuber186000 10 місяців тому +1

    Always worth listening!

  • @martyi398
    @martyi398 10 місяців тому +7

    Great discussion, I just keep a large cash pile or bucket (whatever you want to call it) well funded in multiple cash products, and the remainder $$ in a handful of stock funds and a small amount in bonds, I don’t rebalance just allow portfolio to grow and do it’s thing!

    • @MicahCovey
      @MicahCovey 23 дні тому

      I think that’s a good common sense plan my friend.

  • @cathya222
    @cathya222 10 місяців тому +2

    Robb - great video! Thoughts on how to set allocation % in retirement? 60/40, 65/35, 70/30…I like to rebalance once a year.

  • @kevinbarrett3706
    @kevinbarrett3706 10 місяців тому

    I love the 3 bucket strategy, and will be USING once I retire in January

  • @mw-pu6xt
    @mw-pu6xt 2 дні тому

    I wonder if you look at the comments on these older ones Rob. I cannot be the only one that actually holds actual, physical rental real estate in my investments. I would love to hear your thoughts on how that fits in here. And I do know - absolutely - the more real estate you hold, the more cash you need as a back up for emergencies. It could be a separate cash bucket just for the real estate holdings honestly. I would love to see something on this.

  • @davidbiran4572
    @davidbiran4572 10 місяців тому +1

    Rob, you asked what "Bob's your uncle" means. it means that everything will be all right, or that the job is done.
    It goes back to the late 19th century, when Arthur Balfour was appointed to the post of Chief Secretary for Ireland (a very important job in the UK government).
    He was appointed by the Prime Minister, the Marquess of Salisbury, who's name was Robert Cecil.
    So Londoners quickly started saying that Balfour did OK because Bob was his uncle!

  • @sergiosantana4658
    @sergiosantana4658 10 місяців тому +2

    With today's rates on safe money you can easily set up a 3 bucket strategy.
    Example
    Using a 5% withdrawal rate with a 2% cola on a million dollar portfolio.
    Bucket #1 will consist of 350k in
    Laddered cds for years 1 through 8
    Bucket #2 300k on an 8 year myga @5%
    This will compound to 445k(for the 8 year period while you live off bucket #1) and will support 60k of income for years 9 through 15
    Bucket #3 350k equitys
    This can be left untouched for 15 years (while you spend down buckets 1 and two) and averaging 7% this will grow to over 950k and at 8% it will grow to over 1.1 mill.
    And to Rob's concern ,if we do have a market crash you can do some opportunistic buying with some of the cash in bucket 1 and take up to 10% off the myga .

  • @leesmith9299
    @leesmith9299 10 місяців тому

    my way (not what i do but might suggest it to parent) - portfolio: 60% stock, 30% bonds, 10% money market funds. take out the determined amount and rebalance yearly. levels of cash outside portfolio fluctuates with spending. if it gets way way too high maybe occasionally lump sum some back into the portfolio or give away to family or charity. added the money markets to account for recent times of bonds and stock going down.

  • @MILGEO
    @MILGEO 10 місяців тому +1

    I guess I missed the live stream but still interesting video. It strikes me that the main difference between bucket strategies is how much cash someone wants to hold. Or the time that cash is supposed to cover.

  • @1jet55
    @1jet55 10 місяців тому +4

    Why not just put your money in Wellington and take out what you. need? They allocate for you and with a near 100 year track record they seem to do pretty good.

    • @markaustin5269
      @markaustin5269 10 місяців тому +1

      That's my approach. Put stocks and bonds in the same bucket and let the fund do the allocation for you.

  • @FionstDream
    @FionstDream 10 місяців тому

    Great video. Interesting take

  • @louiswelrod
    @louiswelrod 10 місяців тому +2

    Great video. I use a "Purpose" strategy, which in some ways may be similar to a bucket strategy. I have 4 "purposes": Income (45%), Growth (45%), Speculation (4%) and Spending (6%, Cash). Everything I hold must fit within one of these purposes. I also manage allocation (70-30, Stocks-Bonds), so some stocks are held primarily for income. As Growth gets bigger, Income also increases as I rebalance purpose. If Speculation (which satisfies my need to trade a bit) pays off, both growth and income get increase. Withdrawals are primarily (and hopefully at some point wholly) from distributions from income investments. I realize you don't worry about using distributions vs growth for income, but using your example of pretending I own the whole business: I would use distributions (salary or dividends) for income, not sell off small pieces of my company for income.

  • @rralphymiller3115
    @rralphymiller3115 8 місяців тому +1

    You’re a smart guy Rob.
    Thank you…

  • @briankelly7632
    @briankelly7632 Місяць тому

    Great video Rob. The bucket strategy IMO can get unnecessarily complex. Your approach makes tons of sense.

  • @gstlb
    @gstlb 10 місяців тому +1

    Nice Doors reference!😊

  • @nickfifield1
    @nickfifield1 10 місяців тому +6

    Hi, i notice people always talk about stock/bond allocations... implying they have a reverse correlation... but as we have seen recently both stocks and bonds have fallen. I personally think Bonds are overrated as they have burnt me in the past. Isn't there a better alternative to Bonds? Perhaps dividend stocks, gold?.... have you spoken about this subject?

    • @johnbrown1851
      @johnbrown1851 2 місяці тому

      Bond funds did poorly due to interest rate risk. A bond ladder where the bonds mature when you want to use the money is a better strategy. Check out Bullet shares ETFs

  • @CatherineWilson8
    @CatherineWilson8 6 місяців тому +55

    Like a forest fire that wipes out the old trees to make room for new growth, bearish periods ultimately establish a new crop of stocks to buy and watch while setting the stage for a robust new uptrend.I have been reading articles of people that grossed profits up to $250k during this crash, what are the best stocks to buy now or put on a watchlist?

    • @ScottArmstrong12
      @ScottArmstrong12 6 місяців тому +3

      It’s precisely at times like these that investors need to be on guard against the next certainty. You don’t have to act on every forecast, hence i will suggest you get yourself a financial-advisor that can provide you with entry and exit points on the shares/ETF you focus on.

    • @suzannehenderson5
      @suzannehenderson5 6 місяців тому +2

      I agree, having a brokerage advisor for investing is genius! Not long ago amidst the pandemic crash in March 2020, I was really having investing nightmare prior touching base with an advisor. In a nutshell, i've accrued over $550k with the help of my advisor from an initial $120k investment thus far.

    • @MarkGrimm8
      @MarkGrimm8 6 місяців тому

      impressive gains! how can I get your advisor please, if you dont mind me asking? I could really use a help as of now

    • @suzannehenderson5
      @suzannehenderson5 6 місяців тому

      My advisor is Christine Jane Mclean. You can easily look her up, she has years of financial market experience.

    • @MarkGrimm8
      @MarkGrimm8 6 місяців тому

      Thank you for this Pointer. It was easy to find your handler, She seems very proficient and flexible. I booked a call session with her.

  • @lisapippinbt738
    @lisapippinbt738 10 місяців тому

    Ron I retired Feb. 2022 at the age of 51. Can you maybe do a future show on us early retired people to help us decide if we have to go back to work at a later time? Some of us have made some bad money investments, and are scared we might have retired to soon. Thank you Ron, and I enjoy your presentations.

  • @jamesflick9850
    @jamesflick9850 10 місяців тому +1

    Plus in “your” three bucket strategy, using 1 Million and 40% in BND, that get you about $1,100 a month in dividends also.

  • @chinhuawang8141
    @chinhuawang8141 5 місяців тому +1

    Very good insights! Never a fan of bucket strategy. I believe the cash flow, asset allocation and diversification. In retirement, we should manage the money like an endowment for cash flow, wealth preservation and long term growth.

  • @abreug2
    @abreug2 6 місяців тому +1

    Hey Rob you are providing some very valuable knowledge!! Hope your subscription count exceeds 500k soon 👍👍.

  • @robertcliffort2354
    @robertcliffort2354 7 місяців тому

    Rob We ( VIda, Sherwin and I) love all your podcasts.

  • @bwayne4656
    @bwayne4656 10 місяців тому +1

    What bonds are people placing in their portfolios? I started investing six years ago using etfs and individual stocks. Bond etfs have only lost money.

  • @Gr8thxAlot
    @Gr8thxAlot 9 місяців тому +3

    Never underestimate the ability of people to over-complicate their finances. Find an AA that works for you and stay the course. My head is spinning after seeing the buckets.

    • @ivanvarykino8202
      @ivanvarykino8202 5 місяців тому +1

      Totally agree. Saving sure was a lot easier than preserving and withdrawing appears to be 😄

  • @kckuc310
    @kckuc310 10 місяців тому +2

    Love the 3 bucket strategy , who is buying stocks in retirement? Those days are gone, if there is extra then you can buy low but otherwise it’s just living off what you saved for 40 plus years.

    • @sergiosantana4658
      @sergiosantana4658 10 місяців тому

      The historical bull run of the last 15 years coupled with the super low interest rates of the last 12 years has allowed many to retire with very low debit and inflated portfolios.
      Many are finding themselves not having to withdraw so much from the portfolio that they can afford to discount the safety of a well designed bucket strategy.and fall victims of fomo because they can afford to less conservative with there with strategy.
      This is the group that will retire and continue the game of investing.

  • @jeannewright3027
    @jeannewright3027 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you

  • @bigkahuna3085
    @bigkahuna3085 10 місяців тому +1

    What if you are retiring 65 collecting SS at 70. You need 5 years of big withdraws how do you protect the big withdraws till SS kicks in ladder t bonds, cds, MYGAs?

  • @donandrosieweinrauch1189
    @donandrosieweinrauch1189 10 місяців тому

    What about at 32percent tax bracket. Should more bonds be in etf municipalities short term and intermediate?

  • @La_sagne
    @La_sagne 14 днів тому

    my own made up system was having about 2 years in cash (incl. high yield savings), 4 years in bonds and 25-30 years in stocks when i retire.. and then take about 20% of my monthly expenses from cash every month, 30% from bonds and 50% from stocks.. that way the cash and bonds get used up over the first 10-15 years and the stocks still keep growing in that time..
    but im still a good couple years away from retirement so im still investing in almost 100% stocks (except for a big emergency fund) and i havent thought too much about this yet

  • @billgrabbe9992
    @billgrabbe9992 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm considering what you would probably call the, "Better Two Bucket Strategy". I would have everything allocated as equity or fixed income/cash. The fixed income portion would be tweaked to make sure that maturities and income happen when liquidity is needed. The first year would be covered by cash/money market. The next few years would be funded with individual securities or target maturity ETF's that pay out when liquidity is needed. I would not touch the fixed income assets covering upcoming cash needs when rebalancing. At rebalancing time, if stocks are up, I'd sell stocks and cover another year or two of liquidity. If stocks are down, I'd move money from bond funds into something to cover liquidity for another year or two. Viewing cash/near cash as separate from the portfolio seems to increase cash drag, ignore the stabilizing effect of cash on portfolio volatility and decrease total equity holdings unnecessarily.

  • @profitsrup
    @profitsrup 5 місяців тому

    When it comes to bonds, are you buying actual bonds or bond funds... taxes and reliability count.. any help would be appreciated

  • @Jary3166
    @Jary3166 Місяць тому

    Thank you for the great video! What is the purpose of two years of expenses (2 bucket strategy) vs. 3 months of expenses? If rebalancing happens quarterly in both cases, the cash reserve is larger in the 2 bucket strategy, but we do the same rebalancing anyway?

  • @tomn5413
    @tomn5413 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for the video. I just retired @ 68 with 3-existed accounts as Brokerage, Traditional IRA and Roth IRA account. Just wondering which one will be in each bucket and percentage ? and second question as if I withdraw money out then which one will be first in the sequence of brokerage or Trad IRA or Roth IRA ? Thanks again !

  • @d.p1304
    @d.p1304 10 місяців тому +1

    The TSP is good for investing your money for retirement. It is less flexible to manage your investment in retirement.

  • @NotThatKraken
    @NotThatKraken 6 місяців тому

    I might have three buckets - cash is the first bucket, 60% high quality stocks and 40% short-duration bonds in the second bucket, and 80% growth stocks and 20% bonds in the third bucket. Rebalance within buckets 2 and 3 quarterly, and between buckets yearly. The goal being to keep some investments in high growth/high volatility without being too worried in bear markets.

  • @marshallbutler1137
    @marshallbutler1137 5 місяців тому

    Rob, what are your thoughts on a 2 fund portfolio consisting of Equity and Cash in retirement?

  • @Austin-fc5gs
    @Austin-fc5gs 10 місяців тому

    I like that the live show generates more content with the Q&A haha

  • @DavidDLee
    @DavidDLee 7 місяців тому +2

    The better 3 bucket looks the same as the original 2 bucket

  • @johnm2178
    @johnm2178 10 місяців тому

    Very good presentation. Too bad for some that buckets have become an emotional topic.

  • @raylopez99
    @raylopez99 10 місяців тому

    On my bucket list is to get rich, or at least preserve my wealth, using a better 3 bucket strategy. This video was very timely.

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 10 місяців тому +2

      I would argue that if you have to live for ten years, rather than 2 years, on cash, it's probably more or less the end of the world as we know it. Guns and canned beans time. It's not rational IMO. I believe even during the Great Depression the absolute worse part of the Great Depression was from 1931-1933 or so, about two years. And that was the worse of the worst. That said, I do have a safe place outside the USA if things go south that much (and that would be due to nuclear war IMO) but am not planning to use it ever.

  • @ljrockstar69
    @ljrockstar69 10 місяців тому

    Do you do this upon retiring?

  • @rodjones6129
    @rodjones6129 8 місяців тому

    Rob, thanks for all the very helpful information. We have just under 1 million for retirement. But have pension, dual social security, and rental income. We don't need to draw down on our retirement accounts. We want the account to grow for legacy purposes. My questions is with such uncertainty today, why wouldn't we just put our funds into an annuity and forget all the worrying whether the market is up or down, buckets, rebalancing, etc?

    • @meibing4912
      @meibing4912 Місяць тому

      Annuities fell out of favor due to low returns partly due to high fees. I have solid annuities (very low fee). My strategy is thus 100% stock allocation because I can take market downs. Buy 3-4 broad based ETF's [S&P500, World, Nasdaq100, whatever...] and forget about market swings. Will add up to a lot more money over time. Good luck.

  • @toddmaniatoddmania9844
    @toddmaniatoddmania9844 15 днів тому

    “Riders on the Storm” is NOT a bad reference! 😆

  • @bdflavors1347
    @bdflavors1347 10 місяців тому

    I like 25% real estate, 25% cash, 25% stocks and 25% muni bonds. I'm 52 and this has worked very well for me. I can spend down the cash, bonds then stocks in retirement and sell my two houses as a last resort if I run out of money. Looking at retiring in the next couple of years...

  • @bobby350z
    @bobby350z 4 місяці тому

    Isnt the last 2 yrs stocks and bobds went down together? Bucket wise i see ver small differences between them. Why huy stocks if they diwn one yr? What if they keep going down the next yr or tge yr after? I know not easy answers

  • @jeanjasinczuk7543
    @jeanjasinczuk7543 10 місяців тому +1

    Really like your idea to view bonds as a way cover your mid term expense. I never beleived in the buckets strategy as i never understood when one refill the bucket, especially on a down market.

  • @msgmak1379
    @msgmak1379 6 місяців тому

    One year cash makes sense since you can re-evaluate the market and which bucket to draw from for the upcoming year.

  • @bkindt
    @bkindt 10 місяців тому

    You’re a ROM the Space Knight fan? Awesome.

  • @wendyk.6987
    @wendyk.6987 3 місяці тому +1

    What would happen when both stocks and bonds are down, such as 2022?

  • @vrobinson7897
    @vrobinson7897 10 місяців тому +1

    Who would you recommend for fee based advice?

    • @gg80108
      @gg80108 10 місяців тому +1

      Just buy the index's. Nobody hardly ever beats the index's.

  • @markaustin5269
    @markaustin5269 10 місяців тому +1

    Would an HSA count as a bucket that would be separate from everything else? Basically a healthcare bucket designated for specific expenses.

    • @MDE123
      @MDE123 10 місяців тому

      part of your cash bucket

  • @filipemarques6722
    @filipemarques6722 9 місяців тому

    Question: I wanna dive deep into this kind of investment. Is there any good book about this subject? Thanks

  • @davidw1732
    @davidw1732 10 місяців тому

    Why do you like New Retirement more than Personal Capital (Empower)? I must ask, no disrespect intended but is New Retirement a sponsor of yours or do you derive any financial gain from them in anyway? Again, no disrespect, just doing due diligence before I check them out. Thanks Rob.

  • @noreenn6976
    @noreenn6976 10 місяців тому +2

    I missed all of the fun.

  • @nickseccombe1357
    @nickseccombe1357 9 місяців тому

    Equities and bonds both still going down together, so this comfort strategy won't work for years?

  • @max1492a
    @max1492a Місяць тому

    If you go with the non-bucket approach, under what situation do you NOT rebalance? You mention that you’ll effectively have several years worth of income in bonds at any one time, “unless the wheels fall off.” If there’s a 60-80% crash in stocks, would you still rebalance and hope for the best, or would you hold off on rebalancing and plan to live off the bonds?

  • @thonatim5321
    @thonatim5321 10 місяців тому +1

    You have to use IV as the guide of when to buy. Any iv over 25 is a buy.

    • @timedwards752
      @timedwards752 6 місяців тому

      What is IV?

    • @thonatim5321
      @thonatim5321 6 місяців тому

      @@timedwards752 Implied Volatility Look it up and understand what it means. Your portfolio will thank you.

  • @wackojacko1997
    @wackojacko1997 2 місяці тому +1

    I have a highly tuned 47 bucket strategy that works flawlessly.

  • @malvanlondon8683
    @malvanlondon8683 10 місяців тому

    I don't really understand the need to re-balance. Why does one need to "re-balance back into stocks when stocks are down" - if one already has all the savings needed to retire? In other words, once you've retired with all the amount of retirement pot you need, isn't buying more stocks (though lucrative) somewhat redundant? Don't you (in retirement) just sell stocks when you need to. Why buy at all if you're retirement pot - and the returns it generates - is adequate or ample to meet your needs?

  • @unorthodocs1
    @unorthodocs1 10 місяців тому

    My three bucket strategy is 50% VOO, 25% JEPI, 25% JEPQ.

  • @Jen-qb9cl
    @Jen-qb9cl 10 місяців тому

    Do you have any companies or person you can recommend for by fee one time finance advisor in northern va.

  • @RachelOesterle
    @RachelOesterle 24 дні тому

    What percentage is too much cash?

  • @siglandoe3913
    @siglandoe3913 10 місяців тому

    If you have real estate, pension and social security, you can afford to have more money in less risky buckets, say laddered annuities that are replaced when they mature.

  • @wdeemarwdeemar8739
    @wdeemarwdeemar8739 9 місяців тому +1

    I want a plastic bucket AND a metal bucket a scooper would be nice.

  • @nickfifield1
    @nickfifield1 10 місяців тому +1

    Second, your modified 3 bucket system looks the same as the two bucket :)

  • @user-qc4ze4hb6l
    @user-qc4ze4hb6l 10 місяців тому +1

    I thought the buckets are about risk relate to time horizon, short, medium and long; NOT expenses!

  • @a-borgia4993
    @a-borgia4993 10 місяців тому +1

    The recommended book "bucket strategy" by Ray Lucia is from 2004.... the examples are outdated, returns out of date.

    • @sergiosantana4658
      @sergiosantana4658 10 місяців тому

      Ray Lucia is the man . I love how he redeemed himself by taking the SEC All the way up to the supreme court where they voted in his favor .

  • @colterrible
    @colterrible 10 місяців тому +1

    Rob what brand of shirts do you wear? They always look sharp!

  • @MsTubbytube
    @MsTubbytube 10 місяців тому +5

    How do you rebalance in years when bonds and stocks are down?

    • @michaelfrew5652
      @michaelfrew5652 10 місяців тому +1

      It’s a percentage so you just balance to that, if one is down more than the other then the percentage changes so you rebalance to meet the percentage you have chosen.

  • @DiabloValleyPeds
    @DiabloValleyPeds 10 місяців тому

    Where “Bob’s your uncle” comes from:
    The origins are uncertain, but a common theory is that the expression arose after Conservative Prime Minister Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury ("Bob") appointed his nephew Arthur Balfour as Chief Secretary for Ireland in 1887, an act of nepotism, which was apparently both surprising and unpopular. Whatever other qualifications Balfour might have had, "Bob's your uncle" was seen as the conclusive one.[1][2]
    The main weakness in this theory is that the first documented usage of "Bob’s Your Uncle" is in the title of a new song in an advertisement for Herman Darewski Music Publishing Co., published in The Stage (London) on 11 January 1923.[3] If Salisbury's notorious nepotism toward Balfour in the 1880s had been so widely spoken of to inspire a popular phrase, it is unlikely that it would have taken nearly forty years for it to appear in print for the first time.[4]

  • @leesmith9299
    @leesmith9299 10 місяців тому

    the "better 3 bucket" seems exactly the same as the "2 bucket". 3 months cash and 60-40 portfolio that gets rebalanced. i feel like the cash thing is a bit oversimplified. this same thing applies for other things in life but as an example my car - i don't do finance or leases so i buy my 2nd had car maybe every 5-8 years. in year 5-8 of owning my car i need more cash to replace the car than in year 1 of car ownership. so my cash levels should have more to do with my spending timetable rather than a set 3 months worth at all times. otherwise an outsized withdrawal from the portfolio might be needed at possibly a wrong time.

    • @rob_berger
      @rob_berger  10 місяців тому

      Yes! It really is, but it's underscoring how long you can live on bonds alone, which may address the fear of stock market declines. All of this is about behavioral finance.

  • @constantnothing
    @constantnothing 10 місяців тому +1

    WAIT? did i miss something? Rob, you say that the problem with the 3 BUCKET STRAT is that you DON'T BUY more stocks when the are down. but isn't it just as valid to say YES BUT you also do NOT SELL stocks when they are up. so doesn't that kinda balance off the approach? that's how i like to use the BUCKETS. and THANK YOU for this video!!! it is great to see the thought process behind it all regardless.

  • @richardgoedecke2453
    @richardgoedecke2453 13 днів тому

    A bucket of cash/treasury cd ,having a pension to provide extra income so you take your social security 68-70

  • @ltmsimply
    @ltmsimply 10 місяців тому +3

    Great video sir as always . 😮 I prefer for myself as I’m living in the investments to go with the dollar rather than % . It gives me more clarity and easier to track how many years I have in a stable assets. That’s way If I need 50k per year to live on I rather have 150k In money market and the rest in different sectors with a dollar amount to track it..

  • @kinggeek1960
    @kinggeek1960 10 місяців тому

    One can argue over whether it might be marginally better or worse than some other method, but there is nothing special about it. It appears to be just one way of implementing a so-called "bonds first" strategy, which has been studied by researchers (Weigand, Robert, and Robert Irons, 2008, "When Does a bonds-first Withdrawal Sequence Extend Portfolio Longevity?" Journal of Financial Planning November 2008: 66-77).

  • @leesmith9299
    @leesmith9299 10 місяців тому

    feels like a the whole adding short term t-bills to the bond "bucket" is kind of just making another bucket that is cash like. seems just like you've made another bucket but just not labelled it as such. i think a lot of this stuff is just down to semantics. people who label their strategy differently to each other could well be doing the exact same thing or very close.

    • @rob_berger
      @rob_berger  10 місяців тому

      Well, the issue isn't whether we call an asset class a "bucket," as much as it is whether we use percentages or years of expenses to fill that bucket, IMO.

  • @AUstinnesc
    @AUstinnesc 9 місяців тому +51

    I find myself at a crossroads, uncertain whether to liquidate my $150,000 stock portfolio. I'm seeking advice on the best strategy to capitalize on this current market.

    • @AUstinnesc
      @AUstinnesc 9 місяців тому +2

      How Do I Find This Lady?

    • @AUstinnesc
      @AUstinnesc 9 місяців тому

      I just googled her name and I'm really impressed with her credentials; I reached out to her since I need all the assistance I can get. I just scheduled a call.

  • @leesmith9299
    @leesmith9299 10 місяців тому

    the counting of the "buckets" seems rather confusing. 2 bucket has stocks, bonds, cash = 3. 3 bucket has stocks, bonds, cash = 3.

  • @cgarza1260
    @cgarza1260 9 місяців тому

    Can this 3 bucket 🪣 system apply to a 40 year old ?

  • @lowspeed2000
    @lowspeed2000 3 місяці тому

    There's really 5 buckets: Taxable , IRA or any other tax advantaged account, Roth, bonds, cash