ATC SCM 19 Review vs KEF LS50, Tekton Impact Monitor, ATC SCM 11
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- The ATC SCM 11 is one of the Audiofool's favorite speakers but found it lacking in the bass region. The SCM 19s, with 8 liters more volume should make the Audiofool's wish come true of an SCM 11 with more bass. Will having more bass affect its sound? Find out in the video review.
Compared to the KEF LS50, Tekton Impact Monitors, and ATC SCM 11 in the video.
Links to Sound Demos:
ATC SCM 19 • Sound Demo v2 032 ATC ...
KEF LS50 • Sound Demo v2 031 KEF ...
Tekton Impact Monitor • Sound Demo v2 033 Tekt...
ATC SCM 11 (Yggy GS) • Sound Demo v2 025 ATC ... - Наука та технологія
I really like your format. Much better in terms of presenting the specifics of one speaker as compared to another than I find in most other videos. Even though this is a review of the SCM 19 it can obviously be a real value for someone considering the Impact Monitor or either of the other two models (the KEF and the SCM 11).
Also I appreciate that you mention musical Textures and Fullness. These are a very important characteristics that can really elevate speaker quality when it's achieved accurately and with detail.
Great review. I love your systematic approach.
excellent review, very informative !
I’ve just subscribed because of the review on the ATC SCM19. Thank you!!!
Are these the version 2???
Thanks for watching. Yes these are the version 2 with the metal grills.
Great, unpretentious and witty review! I have had ATC SCM 11 v2's for 6 years now and this year I got a Rel T7i to go along with it. I use a Hegel H190 to power it. To my ears this system sounds beyond great in my medium-sized room and I absolutely adore the sonic signature (as well as the classic design) of ATC speakers.
I sometimes wonder whether I'd preferred the SCM 19's in this room but I think there is also a point in modesty and taking time to make incremental progress in refining my hifi system, step by step. :-)
I adore the SCM11s as well and do regret selling it. I also had the 19s, and while they do go a little bit deeper, the sound is mostly the same (which is great) but I just feel the extra cost to get a few lower notes isn't well spent. I do love ATCs and hopefully, I'd have the opportunity to end up with the SCM50s one day.
@@TheAudiofool that’s really my long time ambition as well (the SCM 50) but I’d probably have to move to a home with a bigger listening room first.
Here’s hoping you reach that goal one day. I’ll guess I’ll find out by following your channel. :-)
Does anyone know the difference between the SCM11 vs SCM12 Pro, SCM19 vs SCM20 Pro? I read that the Pro counterpart uses pretty much the same drivers, but there are slight enclosure differences and the Pros can be put on their sides. The warranties are both 6 years, but the Pro seems cheaper. Just wondering what other differences, if anyone knows.
Didn't find anyone comparing these two, so did it myself:
ATC SCM 19 Vs 11's: Both speakers are highly regarded and for good reason, but which should you buy? I compare them and give some practical advice on these killer speakers for those wondering if the 19's are worth the extra $...
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Hi ! Is it possible to compare SCM19 and B&W 705S2 or 702S2 ? Thanks
I plan to get the SCM 19's with a couple REL T7i I think that will be a good combo. The towers I'm sure have more bass but much more $$ Thank you for this review!
I have one of the best Rel subwoofers. To tell you the truth, you are better off with no subwoofer. All subwoofers have flabby bass, not much difference in subwoofers. Two subwoofers barely make a difference. Just put your speakers in a smaller room. If you want good bass, put your speakers 4 inches away from a heavily stucchoed block wall that acts as a diffusor to split the soundwaves to not cause echoes that distorts the room. Or a room with a brick wall. Other diffusors & sound absorption materials are worthless. Enjoy the mids as a piano. Piano players rarely use to low notes, so you dont lose much. Subwoofers are only good for big speakers that dont have any sound volume.
Bookshelf speakers sound better than big speakers.
@@myronhelton4441 Thanks for these tips. I'll take a listen first before purchasing a REL.
@@BrianGarside Rel is great, but I can do without. Rel has a better deeper tone. My Rel was better in lower bass. Some would prefer a sub with more mids., like a NHT sub. My Rel matched up with bigger speakers better. Its in storage. It was a $2000 sub 20 years ago. I got it for $1800 in a deal. I wont spend that much again on a sub. I heard the small cheap Rel's are really good. Clink link below for great cheap interconnects. www.morrowaudio.com/ Click link below for best cheap speakers. The top selling bookshelf in the world. www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PBALB1 Colick next 2 links to listen. Listen to these speakers on youtube. Or get $650 Magnepan speakers with a great amp for worlds best speaker. US people are ignorant, Europe, China, & Japan everyone loves hi-end stereo without subs. Only early 70's US liked music.
I am curious to know how the scm19 compares to the Dynaudio Heritage Special.
I have the sonus Faber sonnetto 2 and I'm curious. Which one is better harbeth p3esr or atc scm11 please? I like beautiful wide and deep soundstage. Instruments separation and the song with the real timbers for voices or instruments. Later it would be interesting to compare the better with the sonus Faber sonnetto 2.
Hello thank you for your videos
How different is the atc 11 to the ls 3/5a mids highs bass, tonaly ? Thank you
Would you consider the SCM11s with a pair of Aegirs?. Perhaps with a Rel sub? Any suggestions
on a preamp? Love your reviews by the way❤️
Thanks! Yes I would, I was actually planning on them along with a pair of BK double gems, being my main system while riding out covid, but I was able to get the 19s. As for the pre-amp, it really depends on your preference, in my case I wanted the Aegirs to be as uncolored as possible so I got the passive Freya+.
@@TheAudiofool Thanks. That makes a lot of sense (preserving the near class A type sound of the Aegirs). I am so
curious as to what the Aegirs sound like that I almost have to buy them. Anyways, your audio vids are top-rank in my
opinion. Stay well my friend.
Hi, but is it true that they don't go very low and that a subwoofer is even needed? Thank you
what is the difference between ATC 11 v1 and version v2..they also look different ???
You need to try the LS50 Meta, great review BTW
My local dealer is still getting rid of his old stock; but I will get one once he has it.
come on. ok, the 'metamaterial' may give the LS50 some improvement (TBC); neither can the LS50's overcome the differences in the size of the cabinet nor have KEF substantially revised/changed the drivers to a point where they can compete with the ATC's - the SCM19's are more expensive for a reason.
@@deadpeoplestuff5686 exactly, if the LS50 Metas give you 95% of the SCM19s for half the price....
@@jules153 If - look, I love my LS50 wireless rig; but I've heard them bettered by other active speakers - 'If' I want to spend that much more....there's also a reason that ATC's, PMC's (to name but a few) are used as studio monitors: If you want that extra '5%' (ha!)
I’d love to hear the ls50 meta comparison. I think they are significantly better than the original
Irreverent and balanced review. You tell it like it is, brother, and you let the audiophile decide. Unfortunately, even at this price point, the scm19 still requires extra investment in subs.
Hi! New sub. What did you use to power your ATC 19? Thx
Thanks for watching. Comparing to LS50 - Single Aegir; Comparing to Tektons - Aegirs in Monoblock; Comparing to SCM11 - Rega Elicit R.
I had the ATC SCM7 in my system for the last couple of days. I returned them. I can say without exaggeration that they were the biggest letdown I ever had at my home. No bass whatsoever, just some knocking aroung 80-90Hz, midrange was 'meh' and the highs were nothing like everyone claims it to be. Sure, it was clear but it was average at best. I wanted something new instead of my KEF LS50 Meta, but tbh the Metas were leagues ahead in every single regard. More bass, more punch, more midrange beef, better soundtage, you name it.
(The room is only 9sqm mind you)
Duh. Did you read the specs? You need a woofer with those for sure.
hello after how many hours of listening do a pair of new Scm11 start to express themselves at their best?
I think about 10-12 hours should represent 99.9% of the final sound. If you dont like it in 2-3 hours though, you should probably return it.
excellent review! are you keeping the ATC 11 or the 19?
Right now leaning towards the 19s since I already have them, and don't want to use subs. But it really just depends on which one I can dispose of first.
@@TheAudiofool those atc 19 do seem wonderful.... guess you liked them more than the dynaudio special 40? again, thanks for the review!
@@themastroiannis THanks for watching. Yes I like the 19s more than the special 40s... The rich midrange is just feels exactly right for me.
@@TheAudiofool what a joy! congratulations on your beautiful new toys!
I wish you could compare the scm19 a with the Dynaudio Heritage Special. Could one save $2000 and still go to audio-heaven-is what I want to know.
I disagree about the comparison between 11 vs 19. I had the 11's for two years then moved on to 19's. By comparison 19's have much more bass than the 11's not just "little bit" as you describe. Again the mid range is little more refined on the 19's by comparison but both are in the excellent range. If you are not getting much more bass with 19's then your amplifier is the culprit.
Thanks for watching then. Agree to disagree then. I had them both at the same time and running with multiple amps, and I stand by my view that there's a bit more bass in the 19s, but still a long ways away from sp40, Tekton, R3, and pretty much most of it's price class competitors. Also, the 11s are actually slightly cleaner in the midrange though slightly less rich so I won't categorize that as more refined, and I even miss it sometimes whenever I try out the scm19s with amps with higher distortion.
So mine modest opinion:
SMC 19, SMC11, Tekton Impact and than LS50.
Both models of SMCs benefit of additional subwoofer.
Mine choice should be SMC 11 plus SVS 1000 SB
I wonder how would you compare SCM 19’ to Rubicons.
Thanks for watching. The Rubicons have deeper, louder bass. Mids are quite leaner, and treble is slighlty more extended/brighter.
@@TheAudiofoolMeaning for vocals, the ATCs (SCM11 & 19) sound more enjoyable than the Rubicons? (assuming Rubicon 2)
What do you think about the Focal Electra 1008 BE stand mount speakers?
I haven't heard the Electras in a long time and not in my listening room so I can't comment accurately, but I wasn't interested because I remember it was too nasal for me. I would skip this and go for the Kanta N1.
I love the Kanta N1 but would have blown my budget. I bought a pair of Electra 1008’s a year ago. Focal was selling them brand new for $2999 so I couldn’t pass them up. I have them sitting on Sound Anchor stands, connected to a Hegel H90 Integrated amp using Cardas Parsec cables. It is an astonishing pairing. The Hegel warms up what could be characterized as the Focal “brightness”. The Beryllium tweeter is the real deal, but what has me baffled is the bass response. I am pushing 60 watts with the Hegel but it is a magician in the way that 60 watts controls the bass. Absolutely no sub needed, in large part due to the Sound Anchor stands.
@@philipgardiner2003 At the time, I think I heard it driven by a Devialet 120; I'm glad you found the system that matches you.
Hello. Your videos are very professional. I recommend song called "Altamira" by Mark Knopfler. Very nice acousic guitar.
Very interesting ! wonder against Dynaudio, or Totem what would be the results too
I prefer these over the Special 40s but really depends on your preference; you can watch my special 40 review against the scm11 and it would apply for the 19s. As for Totems, I've not heard the embers yet so I can't comment on that.
@@TheAudiofool But you had the Totem Rainmakers. How would you compare those to the ATC 11 (given a big price difference)?
@@TheBBradlee The Totems will go deeper and lower and louder bass. Mids are significantly richer and more detaled in the 11s, Treble rolls off earlier in the 11s, but sounds smoother.
Totem Rainmaker ($950 pair) are even in the same hemisphere let alone league with the ATC SM 19 or 11. The Element Metal V2 ($7,000 pair) is and dominates in every way. The Signature One ($2650 pair) does not hold up as well.
Try some actives like Hedd Type 20! It might just cure your passive GAS and audiofoolery. :P
I don't want to get cured LOL.
Why not do the comparison and review with ATC SCM 40. It is not that expensive, but performs a lot better.
Thanks for watching. It's hard to find 2nd hand ATCs at a good price, but maybe someday.
Not that expensive? It's considerably more than the 19s. The 19s + a good sub sound amazing and thousands saved should one not have the $ for the 40s.
@@willbrink From bookshelf speakers become floor speakers, this price is reasonable. Adding a good sub is not cheap also. Matching the bookshelf speakers with a sub is also another difficult issue.
@@addywong2564 Didn't say unreasonable, just quite a bit more than the 19s even the 19s with a good sub. You'll still get a greater range with the 19s + sub vs the 40s. Of course integration is always an issue, but I did find the 19s integrated better with my sub than the B&W's I replaced. I'd be very happy to own the 40s.
@@willbrink I added a pair of Rel T9x and its great match since Oct 2021, but I did spend another $3k. Still cheaper I suspect than 40's or better, but yeah more work to get the seamless integration, but well worth it.
How about the 40?
Thanks for watching. I've already sold the Special 40 during this review, but If you watch my Special 40 review, I compared it to the SCM11 and pretty much the outcome is the same as with the SCM19; that is, neutral and technical, the special 40 comes out on top, but on a personal level, despite the lack of bass, I prefer the SCM19 for it's more intimate soundstage feel and more midcentric focus, and my current favorite.
@@TheAudiofool I think he might have meant SCM 40 from ATC, not Special 40 from Dynaudio.
I disagree the 19s are TWICE as good as the 11s I have owned both. I think there is too much an emphasis on BASS in this review. I think the separation between the vocals on the 19s and the instrumentals can’t be beat for speakers costing 4 times as much.
Thank you for watching. I'm glad you love the SCM19s that much and they do deserve more attention.
While I think that I may have given the SCM11 a slight advantage in the comparison by using the not so clean sounding Rega Elicit, I don't think that the SCM19 is twice as good as the SCM11. I know you are exaggerating though, but I can honestly forego the SCM19 and just live with an SCM11 just for the mids as they are very similar and I actually find the 19s a bit too rich in some amplifiers. I have long sold the SCM11s to further this addiction and kept the 19s as I will probably lose more money selling the 19s, but I do have regrets and still think of getting a new set of 11s.
I dont think I give too much emphasis on bass as the Tektons clearly have the advantage there but get trounced in the highs and mids. It is a weakness though as you can get the R3 or Special 40 or Tektons that can do 40hz easily at the same price or less. Of course, these don't have the magic mids the ATCs have though but not all people will value mids as much as we do... Some go for bass.
All I’m saying is they might not be exactly twice as good but for the money and the value they are better than some speakers that cost 3 times as much. I also own the Hegel 390 amp and I will say the same thing for that amp based on price and build quality; For approximately 10K I would put this combo up against just a out anything but say Prima Luna or PS Audio
@@TheAudiofool how would the scm19 compare to the Dynaudio Heritage Special - is what I want to find out.
You can't expect more bass when ATC doesn't use a port like the other speakers do that you are comparing to. It's the quality of bass and not quantity of bass you should be comparing.
If it costs that much and competitors can, you should. While I appreciate the more natural bass decay of the 19s compared to the tighter Dyne Special 40s, it's not a whole lot of difference and I bet a lot of people would prefer the Dynes. That said, I'd still choose the 19s over the S40 but not because of the bass.
@@TheAudiofool Ports cause chuffing, you will never get chuffing with ATC.
I agree, I am frustrated that reviews mostly concentrate of the bass extension frequency range and not the actual details and bass definition. Mind you, in my experience not many speakers produces realistic tones and textures in the bass regions so I guess most people have no idea what we are talking about! Lol
The frequency response measured shows that the ATC could do with a bass boost, though the lower level relative to the mids (slight bump) and treble means that things sound clean. My older SCM 11 sound very nice, but there is a little bit of a boxy/cuppy sound I notice. And they work better in a smaller room imo, however if you like the more intimate performance then they don't sound completely lacking either.
That's why they do 7s 11s 19s and 40s for different room sizes it's no good putting 11s in medium to large rooms also many CDs especially with Analog recordings from old loose a lot of bass from the transfer to digital compared to the original vinyl copy .
Aegir is the culprit. It doesn’t have enough juice to drive scm 19s.
Bas bas bas, Ovi Amerikanci ko da nikada nisu culi bubanj uzivo ili bas gitaru.
ATC really need to get rid of the "prison break" outlook, and extend the bass to way lower for bookshelf speakers models, it seem the treble also very unforgiving...
I like the looks of it. It looks like a serious piece of equipment, not like some over desigend room jewel.
No you should bought ATC 12 pro, that one is really above atc 11 or 19, even through youtube the difference is obvious
I'm skeptical about that since it's pretty much the same specs as with the SCM11s, but I'll try it out if I have the chance.
@@TheAudiofool I see 😢