Throwback: Symbian OS Evolution (S60, Belle, Meego)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- A retro lookback @ Nokia's evolution from Symbian to MeeGo
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Symbian was a mobile operating system (OS) and computing platform designed for smartphones.Symbian was originally developed as a closed-source OS for PDAs in 1998 by Symbian Ltd.
As a pioneer that established the smartphone industry, it was the most popular smartphone OS on a worldwide average until the end of 2010 - at a time when smartphones were in limited use, when it was overtaken by Android, as Google and its partners achieved wide adoption.
Symbian OS was essentially a shell system and required an additional user interface (as middleware) to form a complete operating system. Symbian OS became prominent from the S60 (formerly Series 60) platform built by Nokia, first released in 2002 and powering most Nokia smartphones. Symbian OS eventually became the most widely used smart mobile operating system, though notably not as popular in North America.
Symbian^3 was released in 2010 as the successor to S60 5th Edition, by which time it became fully open source. Symbian^3 received the Anna and Belle updates in 2011. The Nokia 808 PureView in 2012 was officially the last Symbian smartphone from Nokia.
MeeGo is a discontinued Linux distribution hosted by the Linux Foundation, using source code from the operating systems Moblin (produced by Intel) and Maemo (produced by Nokia). Primarily targeted at mobile devices and information appliances in the consumer electronics market, MeeGo was designed to act as an operating system for hardware platforms such as netbooks, entry-level desktops, nettops, tablet computers, mobile computing and communications devices, in-vehicle infotainment devices, SmartTV / ConnectedTV, IPTV-boxes, smart phones, and other embedded systems
Symbian...please come back
Love symbian
Bring back symbian..
It was ahead of it's time.
😭😭
i wish symbian came back,but the symbian scene is quite alive right now!
Nokia should've gone with MeeGo instead of Windows Phone
True af
But still Android OS are the big deal
@@aaadj2744 Not at the time. I won't say they would be the second largest player in the market, but it would be viable nevertheless
@@IllidariHunter they are the biggest player in the market.
@@MK040 I'm talking about the past, not now.
2:35 Actually, you are wrong. Symbian multitasking was lightyears ahead of any other competing SO at the time.
This is true. I know it has to do with the market but the sybian OS would distroy andriod if it was still in existence now...
I played 500+ Java Games on my Nokia 6303 classic but only 10+ Android games... I miss those good old days...
most java games were trash
@@renko8065 shut up ... You can't Judge them by the time they were available ... Even though graphically they may not be that attractive bt they were heavy fun compared to most games in android and ios
@@AndroEmu_Clips when did i say anything about graphics? can't you read? I said most of them were trash but not all, there are some good ones liks bounce and snake
same here :(
@Maqbool Darash Those java games almost had no art, shitty 8bit music and nothing of plot. Today you can download any pixel graphics design tool, watch tutorials and make better graphics. They had no free games and all was paid, like 4.99$. The games like Assasins Creed, Prince of Persia, India Jones, Pirates of Carribean and 100s of other games were all the same shit with differnt skinned enemies and slightly different levels. Worse than Fifa.
Today play store is full of protype looking android games but there is also This is War of Mine, Little Nightmares, Don't Starve and ports like Portal, Half life, GTA. Take off your Nostalgia glasses.
Late to the party here but a good look back. There are a few misrepresentations though. First, the initial phone you show is running Symbian 60 5th Edition which was basically a touch layer grafted on top of the non-touch Symbian 60 Series 3 OS. It was a stop-gap measure to hold people over until the touch-enabled OS was ready. The first phones running the true touch-enabled Symbian^3 OS were the N8 and E7. The actual lineage was Symbian Series 60v3 (non touch) -> Series 60 5th Edition -> Symbian^3 -> Symbian Anna -> Nokia Belle. In fact, Belle was a huge improvement and modernization over Anna which was a small incremental update of Symbian^3.Second, Meego is not related to Symbian in any way shape or form. Symbian's roots came from the Psion EPOC OS (which was more or less DOS-based). Meego is the successor to Maemo 5 (using in the Nokia N900) which is built on the Debian Linux platform. The only reason why the iconography was similar was they were being developed at the same time and Nokia was initially positioning Meego to replace Symbian but that idea was dropped when they moved to Windows Phone.Meego was WAY ahead of its time and would've faired very well if it had quality app support.
thank you.
i don't know why people can review something if they don't know what they're talking about
oh thanks now after 13 years I finally know why the symbian on the first phone he shows - it was just a touch layer! wow, I had it and nothing was working properly except calling and sms. Wifi was disconnecting or not connecting, they had there those email app services which I could never had them worked with any email, keyboard was horrible, touch screen insensitive...
If they could add more apps to the ovi store, and combine the fluency from meego and the elegance and android like experience, they would have done very well....
I remember nokia 500 which i owned with belle OS(upgraded from s60 to Anna then to Belle). It had features which i still miss today. You could play a song in your phone while on call and let the other person listen to it.
can I play s60 games on Belle?
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq belle is s60!!!
@@user-wp6od8dw2f so it can play diamond rush, bounce tales and explode arena?
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq if you could run in a nokia s60 5th edition you could run on symbian ^3, anna and belle!
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq but if i remember, bounce tales is a java application for nokia s40
Used Symbian once E7, love it !!! Never live with MeeGo and want one badly now 😫
Lol I just notice Nokia really a fan of Annabelle doll back then, they name their Symbian Anna & Symbian Belle 😅
Nice video BTW 👍🏻
it was in alphabetical order, the codename of belle FP1 and FP2 from 2012 were Symbian Carla and Symbian Donna
later they did the same with Lumia updates (WP Amber, Black, Cyan, Denim).
kind of like android desserts
Hahahah
Man x7 was one of the best looking phones from the front to ever hit the market
N9 is so special 💗
Symbian still the legendary OS of all time.
Now imagine if Nokia had invested in keeping Symbian or Meego alive till now... Would be an amazing OS, Symbian Belle was years ahead of Android, and practilly didn't had lag in the 700(?) series, which had a very weak hardware, but was better than android 4.4
The Symbian Anna(?) shown in the video, was not the last or latest smartphone released by Nokia before switching for Meego/Windowsphone. The last one didn't had lag practically, but Ellop wanted the marketing focused on Windowsphone, and we saw where things had gone...
Yup Symbian is always ahead of android back then. The only drawback is the lack of developers support, if only Nokia could convincing the devs to make apps for Symbian. Also Meego seems really promising and why ahead of its time, too bad Nokia gave up to early and went to Windows mobile bait.
@@AaronKLok You mean Nokia 808 lagged compared to Android phone out there by that time :-)
"Here we have an oversized clock"
Who are you to judge? :D
Meego os was realy good!!
my 3 all time favorite Nokias… Nokia X7, Nokia N9 , Lumia 925
The Ovi store! I remember there even being commercials for it back in then. Was not the best experience.
Also, I remember the guitar pick stylus that came with.
Also, I notices that you bought the Lumia from Australia, because it's locked to the Optus network.
Amazing video. Keep up the good work 👍
Symbian OS 7.0s s60 V2 and Symbian OS 7.0. S80...good times...still the best mobile OS for me. I liked Belle too. Multitasking was not "primitive" it was very similar to PC even in 2003, much better than android's. Shame system got killed.
Android beat them
can you play s60 games on Belle?
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq I think you can play s60 v5 games but definitely not s60 v3 and earlier.
@@061Hitachi the games I want to play are the games included with nokia x2 00 and explode arena, think those will be playable?
@@ChrisTian-sd5yq Unfortunately the x2 00 is not a smartphone. It is S40 OS not Symbian. Symbian always supported java applets but I can't confirm 100%. You will have to try it yourself. My E7-00 is dead so i can't try on your behalf.
Meego was so ahead of its time, such a missed opportunity by Nokia for abandoned this OS
I used s60v3 the most back then on my E63 and n73. It's a fun os where I installed emulators and hacks.
S60v5 looked promising. But I'm on the fence with touchscreen interface back then. My buddy back in college had nokia n8 and it looked cool.
I heard sony ericson had units that run with symbian too.
The meego on the other hand looked promising and ahead of it's time. It's sleek and attractive.
The best operating systems for mobile ever, such as combining Android and iOS.
But why does Nokia give low specs for their phones??
The goal was low battery consumption
because who cares about specs? (especially since these were nice in 2010) When you can get tough phones with good battery
The Nokia N9 was pretty great. It's unfortunate they threw their lot in with Windows (even though those were great too, and quite underappreciated). I still don't know why Nokia spent the time and resources into meego, released it and immediately announced it was obsolete, unsupported, and wouldn't be continued as they moved to windows.
Nokia X7 looked really cool, also N8 and N9 looked very good 😎 Symbian Belle was good, Nokia needed to continue improving it
I see that too because andoried i see it very poring
Ilove symbian very much
Elevatorhead05 that is cool 😀
While I agree the development of Symbian should have continued, the problem was that the Symbian base code was so old, there were serious problems with integration of new technologies into the OS. Anna and Belle is basically as advanced as it can go. That is why Nokia started developing Meego as a successor to Symbian, but ultimately went with Windows Phone, and we all know how that ended.
I wish we would not have the strict duopaly of Android/iOS we have today, but the app-centric needs of modern mobile phone usage dictates that this duopoly is what we gonna have.
@@elimalinsky7069 I wish we would move over from app centric phones. (seriously so much problems are initially due to the app industry, it changed phones in a bad way)
@@wordart_guian Most of all, it made people become even more stupid than they already were.
The downfall of nokia starts with windows phone if nokia continue developing with meego. We were seeing a competition between nokia vs Android vs ios.
Symbian os... My very first os...
Symbian was the best i ever used ! 3MB game looked sooo sooo good
Stephen Elop, the then Nokia CEO singlehandedly destroyed Nokia. He was a former Microsoft employee, he ditched Symbian and Meego. Then opted for Windows phone OS. Then, the only option remained, that is, Microsoft bought Nokia for a cheap price.
Nokia C5-03 was my first ever phone with lots of memories images and videos
💗💗💗
What if SymbianOS was developed again? Can it be more than iOS? I hope SymbianOS is developed once more(sorry my english languange so bad)
I'm 4 years too late, but Symbian is not related to Linux. It's a closed-source microkernel that came from EPOC and Psion in the 90's.
Also yeah Nokia really should have gone with MeeGo instead of selling to Microsoft, I think in future students will case study this whole saga as the biggest mistake in consumer electronics ever.
Nokia should stay on meego instead of Windows os
You fought a good fight. RIP S60V3
Thank you so much for this video 👍🏻👌🏻✌🏻
Woo mego open app location is great
Don't you even realize that n9 don't run symbian?it's meego....and most of gestures are gone to iPhone X,you can also call iPhone X as the copy of n9...
Hasim Qureshi yes bro
Thanks bro...
watch the video he explained why he includes n9
N9 looks better
Debería volver Symbian, con el Nokia N8 en 2010 era muy genial tenerlo
Thank u so much for this video ❤️
I love symbian os and old nokia phones. Love from India
Why does Nokia Mobile not use meagoo operating system to replace Windows phone?
i have nokia asha 501 and its a very nice phone..then nokia lumia 730...and now I have nokia G50 5G...all are very nice phones
At least on Symbian, you could set the alarm and turn off your phone, it will still wake you up. Android still doesn't implement this feature
I still usw my Nokia 701- cool thing is you can still download apps from the APP store (Name Applist)
I miss MeeGo OS which makes it unique compared to Android OS.
S60 Symbian phones: Great OS, not so great on touchscreen phones
Anna and Belle Symbian phones: Also great, but not so easy to use
MeeGo: Gesture based, better than old Symbian
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Samsung one ui looks like nokia symbian meego
i believe samsung is heavily inspired by symbian. I use their galaxy s phones for years now and Its a pretty similar experience to the "old" Nokia days for me
yes
Oh god, look how sexy the Nokia x7 is, I remember owning Nokia x7, C7 and N8 back in 2013.
I still use my Nokia N97 with a custom firmware.
I'm using a Nokia E7 right now :P I'm surprised I still have cell service since it doesn't do 4G and I thought T-Mobile was shutting down the 3G networks... might not have long with this, but I intend to continue using it for a while... it's only been 4 days so far as my main phone.
Lol how the hack this is 5 year's ago i still remember watching it when I was eating
i love Symbian
Imagine, Nokia's Os was far ahead then android, all the features we use today few were already there. They should have not choose windows
i do not know why they decided to remove the standby mode in meego...
I wonder what could have happened if nokia just continued with meego instead of windows phone
I love symbian and windows phone 😢
I wanted to tryout all different os
Okay - this video is clueless. Symbian is it’s own OS. It is NOT based on Linux. Symbian is actually way older and came from the OS that Psion had on their PDAs in the 90s.
Secondly - Meego has absolutely NOTHING to do with Symbian. In fact, Symbian was in DIRECT competition with Meego within Nokia. Meego IS based on Linux and comes from the OS used on the Nokia Internet Tablets like the N800, N810 and N900 phone. It was rebranded as Meego when Nokia started a partnership with a few other organisations, but was originally called Maemo.
Within Nokia, there was a massive political movement. The Symbian OS was old and harder to make usable on modern hardware, but the Symbian division held on the power till the N900 and blocked Maemo devices from having cellular capabilities. It was only when Nokia had no other choice that they gave Meego a chance. This was probably related to iPhone sales, Android appearing and the fact that Symbian was just never going to be capable of producing anything like the iPhone.
They gave up on Meego because Microsoft got in a shill on the board who took power and dropped Meego in favour of Windows Phone, because ridding the market of another competitor and getting a massive brand people knew was going to make Windows Phone 7 look like a good prospect.
Correction - iOS is based on Darwin which is Unix not Linux
n9
Pretty good
Meego best user experience
Symbian was based on EPOC32, not Linux.
Indonesia never know What meego os is it.
nokia c6 is symbian 5th edition, not symbian^3
symbian ^3 (with anna and belle updates) is the os of the next generations of smartphones (n8, c6-01, c7, e7 ....) and is still s60.
x7 is symbian anna, an update of symbian ^3 (and still s60).
s60 is the UI of symbian smartphones, not the version
reminiscing 808 pv
Nostalgia
Pretty sure Nokia would have been super successful if only they sticked with MeeGo instead of moving to Windows Phone
Meego has zero to do with Symbian. Zero. It is based on Linux. Symbian is based on EPOC. And iOS has nothing to do with Linux, it's XNU and it's based on OSF and FreeBSD. And hell yeah, the app drawer on Android and iOS still look the same like on Symbian. What are you talking about here?
that's not even symbian belle..symbian belle on my 808 looks like android
True, both are symbian anna
Aji Diansyah s60v5th and symbian ^3
@@spacedusty the C6 has S60v5, the X7 has anna
Much prettier than Android, it had a lot of potential.
S^3 devices have the best support from Nokia when it can be upgraded to Anna and Belle
WP8 devices also had decent support (4 upgrades even on my 520)
Powerful os
I had an unbelievable indestructible Xpress music 5800 cp before it was late 20's when I had it, it got drop around 15ft it got dead pixel then it had been dropped in the water for like good 5 seconds, dropped from my pocket while in a running vehicle still functional then for the last time it got dropped again in water for the same amount of time, bro! The deadpixel got fixed! Like it vanished after that however the speaker got bad but 100% functional and for some reason I misplaced it...that old relic got lost
6:28 that's not an always on display my ignorant friend it's called Nokia Sleeping Screen.
*glance
I always had a thought that the moving of Nokia from using Symbian to Android was a WRONG MOVE, it's a practically late to come down to the market of android phone because SAMSUNG has become the "Nokia" at that market. Nokia trying to compete with their legendary name as a weapon while giving standart hardware spec are pityfull when there are other brand that trying to compete SAMSUNG with high hardware spec with a low price product seems to work that out. So in my Opinion if Nokia can't do the same move at the market they should invest to develop Symbian to make it comparable with Android or iOS, because Symbian doesn't need a high hardware to run so it could maybe cost less to build the phone. the latest Nokia Symbian are Nokia X7 which run with 680 Mhz cpu and 256 mb ram. that's even lower than iOS hardware spec.
I feel sad whenever i see what height Nokia had achieved earlier
Nokia just need more Dev's and to expand the symbian environment in the world ... cause' at that time symbian was more snappy, optimised than android.
I just wished if they didn't gave up this early.....
Nokia should've prioritized improving their SymbianOS, it had REAL Potential and it was Ahead of it's Time.
fact: iOS is based on UNIX kernel
Choosing windows is the beginning of nokia downfall
primitive multitasking? S60 / SYMBIAN (aside from what blackberry used) was & STILL is the only OS that actually has REAL multitasking ! Android (except from dual-windows, which was available from Android N (7.0) upwards) & iOS employ App switching* !S60 could even multitask app processes, something these current "smart" 🙄 phone OSes Android & iOS for the most part, CANT do.... unfortunately.
8:50 they weren't even that dumb they can install java programs a fact I feel like most people ignored.
Bro, this OS has the potential of Competing against IOS and Android, It's just nokia CEO is being cocky for some reason
id buy that 3rd phone in todays world looks hot af
Nokia C6 is it running upgraded version of S60 9.4
Honestly, I loved Symbian's multi-tasking compared to Android's. Symbian's gives more control to users
Sadly he didn't take a Belle phone
iOS is not based on Linux. It’s based on MacOS which is based on Unix
Guys Can Anyone Explain To Me Why Symbian Devices Have A Better Ram Management Than Android And Ios. Like, It Is The Best Os That Ever Multitask Apps . Android And Ios Don'T Even Stand A Chance Against It. Imagine If Symbian Was Further Developed And It Has Snapdragon 865 With Only 1Gb Of Ram .It Will Be A Beast. The Best Part Is When The Ram Is Full,It Tells You But In Android Even When With A Lot Of Free Ram It Still Refresh Almost All Apps And Its Annoying.Symbian Can Keep 20 Apps Running In The Background For Days Without Refresh .Sometimes You Forget That You Have Some Apps For One Week Running In The Background Without Knowing,You Will Only Know When You Click It Then It Resume From The Extact The Same Spot You Left It Open a Week Ago. It Is The True Multitasking King Mobile Os Which Ever Existed.
Symbian s60 multitasking was far from primitive.. it was real multitasking
I always thought IOS was based on BSD not Linux?
Great
Nokia>>>>>Apple
Try compare the smartphone and the OS feature
Yeah thats right
Wish you'd talk more about apps. I was crazy back then for symbian phones had a 3650, 6600, N70 and the N80 and the stuff you could do with it cause of the symbian os was amazing.
You could install mp3 players (the phones back then didn''t support mp3's), movie players (Smart Movie player), the IR Remote control for tv's,vcr's,.. The symbian games were also amazing - there was one car game similar to micro machines that had multiplayer support via bluetooth, you could also install all sorts of emulator. I had the nes one.
There was a large community on the ipmart forum dedicated to symbian apps, games and all sorts of phone stuff - lots of stuff was cracked
web.archive.org/web/20061023082557/www.ipmart-forum.com/
I want nokia n9 box pack.. From where can I buy???
Capacitive screen are just not as durable as resistive screen
OMG, SYMBIAN ON MY NOKIA C6-01 WAS SOOO DIFFERENT! 0_0
Wait... It isn't Symbian Belle on the Nokia X7 -.-
@@smart_bar it's Anna, he says so in the video lol
@@TheJunky228 just turned on the captions. I didn't even know that this version was called Anna. I thought Anna is on Nokia C6-00 on the left. But I seem to remember both of these versions on my old Nokia
Hah! Take that iPhone X!
One think I really didn't like with Nokia is how they reskinned their feature phones to look like symbian phones (cough *asha line*cough) and they were secretly running the Serious 40 OS instead. I know this because I bought one but I knew what they were doing and I didn't care but others were really confused and didn't really understand why it couldn't run modern apps and that included whatsapp for some users.
The last one reminds me of blackberry 10
My Nokia 3230 could run Doom, Call of Duty, Need For Speed, Elders Scroll,.....etc..... All in 3D, no kidding....
Nokia should have used more powerful hardware like android did. Symbian was really well optimized but simple things like browsing was just to much because the cpu/gpu on almost all the Symbian devices where to weak.
Nokia phones always had the best hardware, far better than any competitors be it cameras, GC/PUs, or simply raw functionality.
It was the dated Symbian User Interface and user experience that gave the impression of being slow. While the OS was an engineering marvel as far as efficiency (battery and system resource usage) it was let down because the Engineers didn't let the artists and designers into the room unlike Apple for instance, where artists, designers, and marketers take center stage.
When they eventually created Maemo/Meego - A whole new beautiful and elegantly efficient Linux-based platform with the N9, it was too late. Their mobile phone division was bleeding cash from the jugular cannibalizing the profits of other money-making divisions like Nokia Networks, Nokia Research (Nokia-Bell labs), Here Maps, Nokia Ventures (NGP Capital), etc.