How Gaming Affects Learning Circuitry | Episode 005 Video Game Addiction
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Gaming affects learning circuitry, which is how gamers get stuck.
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Video game addiction can cause us to stop learning which suppresses negative emotions. Video game addiction can thus stop us from learning since pain teaches us to learn. We learn better through punishment is easy.
In this video, Dr. Kanojia breaks down how gaming affects the learning circuitry which leaves gamers feeling powerless to change.
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After watching these videos I am realizing that I am more of a youtube addict than a video game addict. Take my video games away for 3 months, meh I will be fine. Take away youtube for 3 months, Oh my god what am I going to do. Thats my brain right now.
I feel the same way dude. But I can see how consuming smart and digested content can make you feel similar to playing games.
Yeah I am there with you for sure (although I knew that for quite a bit now as I have lost access to games a long time ago). The good thing about it is that I'm pretty sure you can apply the same ideas to YT addiction as to Games addiction as the processes/rewards etc. seems very similar.
Yeah, I am the same way, I am watching like 6 hours of youtube a day for like, 12 months straight now
OMG I just wrote the exact same thing on episode 4 video. Lets quit together man!!:) You in?
Yep, when I was a tween it was videogames but now it's youtube + reddit. Infinite content.
"if your having a bad day, you play a game and it makes you start to feel better" unless that game is LoL.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
TRUE
i literally just closed LOL cause it was pissing me off so now im here
It's actually the exact opposite lmao
Thats why i dont play lol anymore. Playing rift makes me feel incompetent and TFT makes me regret things ive done.
These lectures will become more and more relevant as the years go on as zoomers are born with smartphones in their hands and with video games to play
That’s not wholly true. I know a lot of people in my high school who plan to do really old jobs(farming, construction, CEO, etc.) I only know a handful of people at my school addicted to any modern technology, and it’s divided among various parts, such as two girls who bullied me whom I believe are addicted to their phones and social media, and then some people who are legitimately addicted to gaming, and do nothing else.
@@flyingturret208thecannon5 but if your in the city it’s whole different deal. plus the few people is a percent which can add up as you look at other schools
Myself and most of the gamers that i know started playing games because of some kind of stress, stress on which you don't have any control over
Imortant: Pain does only make you lern NOT to do something. If you want to learn something like a new lenguage, a music instrument or a specific set of skills and you want to learn using it in a creative way, then you will need a positive and joyful environment to learn it.
Pain when learning is ok, not physical pain but discomfort for learning/doing a new thing. Studies have shown that sitting in that discomfort (aka pain) for a while before giving up yields much better results when you go back to the same task the next day
This is an eye opener!
So I was badly addicted to playing Counter Strike Global Offensive for at least 3 years since 2015. From 2018 into 2019 I forced myself to take an extensive break, felt really bad about getting worse at the game, and faced a lot of urgent issues (=pains) I had in my life. Then in early to mid 2019 I started playing again and I just couldn't get the fun and enjoyment I had just a little over a year ago.
Nowadays I often just play for an hour, after 30 mins I feel guilty already and stop playing - even on days when I have nothing else to do. Sometimes, when all my friends are playing I still do 2-3 hours a day, but that's kinda rare nowadays. Remind you, this is coming from a guy who was playing minimum 4 to maximum 12 hours every day just a year ago (I know that's rookie numbers for some guys :D).
Anyhow I think I understand now, why I feel this way nowadays.
Why
...in other words, Bloodborne is good for learning, especially when you have to fight Amygdala itself! Awesome!
I feel like this mechanism can be beneficial too. There is such a thing as a "beaten dog syndrome", when one bad experience with a thing "teaches" you to not repeat it again, despite the fact that should you persist in doing it, the long-term benefits may be substantial. Like art, for example, or singing, or what not. One performance in front of a living audience that didn't go as planned, and now you are demotivated to continue, but play a vidya a couple of hours, and hey, squad morale restored! I remember TotalBiscuit at some point explaining how it works for content creators. There were entire series that he abandoned making, or was heavily pressured to do so, just because of few negative comments, despite the fact that the feedback overall was positive. For better or worse, we are more sensitive to the negative, rather than the positive, and gaming can shift the balance in such a way that we are more rational about those negative experiences.
This is some 5Head shit, literally all the stuff he talks about I've experienced to some degree and it's fascinating to learn about. Even tho I don't have problems with gaming anymore, I definitely used to.
Well, I don't know. You say that it's bad that gaming takes away the feeling of a bad day, that you CAN'T learn anything, but what if what you play is something story-based, character-based, with great writing and visuals, something you immerse yourself in the same way you would by seeing a movie or reading a book, I feel like you're still learning something, especially if you view certain games as art. I realize this may also be me justifying my own addiction but still, I don't know, I think it's not that simple
+1
Most people can consume substances of addiction, moderate their consumption without it damaging their lives and have a good time doing it. In any drug or drinking scene most people are (at least seem to be) having a good time with the high, tolerate the hang-over and get on with their lives. So what is different in the small percentage that get an uncontrollable addiction? There is evidence of a genetic component to it, but there is also evidence that the people vulnerable to these uncontrollable addictions are traumatised in some way and the addiction is self-medicating that trauma. The problem with a purely scientific and materialistic view of addiction is that it reduces our humanity and being to a 'brain system' or 'neurochemical process'. If you delve into what works best with addicts, you will find that for most, nothing short of a type of spiritual (hate this word it's so loaded with new age bs but it's necessary in this context, sorry) transformation is required to be free of the pattern of addiction. If we define 'spiritual' as 'knowledge of the self', then we start to really get a handle on what is happening in things like the 12 Step Program. Many gamers are part of a culture that is hyper-secular, materialistic, narcissistic and cynical. Consider what is really going on with your deep desire to immerse yourself in another world. What is this ability to do this immersion for in human beings? Look into the ancient myths, watch Peterson's Biblical Series, or hang out on Jonathon Pageau's youtube channel and find out how to start to use this imaginative process to improve your own life. It worked for me.
It‘s only bad if that‘s the way you‘re inhibiting being preoccupied with these feelings in a long run.
This Guy is basically the Jordan Peterson of Gaming
Haha I literally thought the exact same thing.
Holy damn I was wondering why this is in my recommended and now that makes sense. This guy probably has the same audience demographics as JBP
I would love to listen to a conversation between JBP and Dr. Kanojia.
Good lord I sincerely hope not - that's NOT a favorable comparison to this guy
for real. There is something similar in their demeanor and intelligence. A lot to learn from these helpful minds.
This is like Jordan Peterson but for gamers. Love the content!
Exactly HAHAHAHAHA
And without the shitty conservative politics
@@buterbeans Ah yes, Jordan Peterson the conservative.. lol, you know he is left leaning, right?
@@SDB_Dev Doesn't change the fact he is dumb
@@SDB_Dev Dead wrong. Centrist at best.
almost like word for word from Plato's The Republic dude! I read it recently, and in it Socrates states:
"do you recall what sick people say when they're ill?...That nothing gives more pleasure than being healthy, but that they hadn't realized that it was most pleasant until they fell ill."
"And haven't you also heard those who are in great pain say that nothing is more pleasant than the cessation of their suffering?"
"And when someone ceases to feel pleasure, this calm will be painful to him."
my favorite: "The pleasures of smell are especially good examples...they suddenly become very intense without being proceded by pain, and when they cease they leave no pain behind...let no one persuade us that pure pleasure is relief from pain or that pure pain is relief from pleasure."
"most of the so-called pleasures that reach the soul through the body...are some kind of relief from pain.."
Gaming for 18 years by playing a variety of games has taught me Advanced pattern recognition, incentive design, game theory and easily reading emotions of people. Not only those but also not giving up easily.
people aren't that addicted to video games as they are addicted to youtube.
Yeah I think I am more likely to be addicted to you tube then video games
Fool Tube and UA-cam 😎💯
Yeah I probably waste more time on youtube - reddit - imgur - facebook - similar shit than gaming.
I would generally say an internet addiction, not only yt
Completely agree. That said, in terms of productivity, to me this addiction is far less harmful than gaming was. It will certainly come down to every individuals interests but to me as a painter this works fine for now. If I'm gaming I will need to expend my attention, activity and effort to get anywhere. If I'm just watching/listening to stuff on youtube I can still continue with my paintings (or just about any other productive activities) whilst keeping it on in the background. I believe that the active participation/accomplishment you get from beating a boss/winning a match etc. may have a more serious effect on your dopamine aswell rather than just an intake of information with your actions having no effect on the clip at hand aswell though this is just my personal experience, I'm not an expert by any stretch and could be wrong about that one.
Plot twist: There's no one in that class room
I've been thinking the same thing lol
Epic thumbnail, Mr. Plainview.
I have been in multiple anatomy and psychology courses in college, no professor has made the relationship between the hippocampus and the amygdala in the learning process so clear to me like Dr.K just did in 8 minutes. It might be so clear to me now for he actually made analogies and gave examples of situations I could relate to. He teaches with passion unlike any professor I've had and it grabs my interest.I actually want to learn more. Im so tired of the monotone teach to ace the test professors that are unclear in their communications and make learning more painful than necessary. Thank you Dr.K for being you. And I thank everyone else who read this comment till the end. Thank you for coming to my TED TALK.
god damn that hits home so much. your work is priceless.
Jokes on you doc. I play Dark Souls which means my learning circuitry is enhanced by 200%
Dark Souls or any simulator battle against other players. You will be killed so many times, nothing life can throw at you will seem like an issue.
Problem is I've stopped struggling a long time ago. Ds will make your circuitry drop by -50% cuz other games and things in life can't match it.
What? Dark Souls is literally brain dead. It's just mashing one button.
@@Oh_its_Mike Have you every played Dark Souls? Just blocking takes multiple inputs and proper timing/positioning.
@@blazingfuryoffire1 Blocking? LMFAO. No wonder you people think it's hard.
Couldn't you say this about just about anything that gives you pleasure? Music, food, relationships...
Pleasure is fleeting. We are often taught that pleasure and happiness are the same, making different kinds of people seek different kinds of pleasure(that eventually become addictive) in an attempt to be happy. All those you listed are things people do/consume in excess nowadays, as well as video games.
I have a question and I'm really looking forward to your reply if that is possible Dr.Alok
So in this video you are talking about video games in general, that playing them gives a sense of relief and makes us less stressed out, and this eventually leads to suppressing the hippocampus and diminishing our learning circuitry because there is no form of pain to teach us. However, what if I tell you that many video games out there, are very competitive and challenging, too many games to count (league of legends, csgo, etc...) so basically one of the main reasons people continuously play these competitive video games is to become a better player and perform better than everyone else, you start playing the game in the beginning and you experience the pain of losing, and you hate it, it makes you feel like everyone is better than you and you don't want that. So in return, it gives you the thrive of learning new techniques, mechanics, and strategies in the game that will help you become a better player in the future, so you start to invest in yourself and in your game knowledge in order to improve your performance and start feeling the pleasure of winning. My question is, Is the hippocampus at this point being exercised while playing precisely competitive video games? Or is it still being suppressed?
I also wonder this. When playing your negative feedback circuity still works as expected ( I.E don't peek that corner, or go this path instead of that ) just applied at a game level
@@tomyeoman8791 Yes this probably is the answer. You still feel pain and learn, but it's only limited to gaming. But since real life is something you can never escape, the lack of pain and learning in it will outweigh what you do in gaming every time you're forced to venture out of your gaming cave even for a minute. That's why you'll still feel like shit, eventhough you're "getting better at something". It's also why it's much more likely you'll rather just stay cocooned and remain in your escapism.
The series are very good, I am fan and I am learning a lot. However I think he overstated his conclusions in this video, for instance he states gamers stop learning which is very ambiguous and rushed conclusion. I am pretty sure he wants to deliver the message that gamers stop processing their bad emotions from the real world because while gaming the amigdla is supressed and thus the hipocampos do not process those hard digesting painful emotions you had prior to the gaming session. This is a huge problem because the gamer won't act to change, because he didn't learn from those hard digesting emotions that are seen as high activity on the amigdla. PART 2 answering your question, you still learn from playing video games through positive reinforcement ( when you do a good play) I think it's not related with the amigdla(but doesnt matter tbh) and also through negative reinforcement. I speculate the stuff you feel when you do a bad play is so minor and fast to process that do not require neither show much effort from the amigdla to stimulate the hipocampos. Another speculation is the hipocampos is not 100% dependant from the amigdla for learning, he stated it was dependant on learning from negative emotions it is naive to conclude gamers dont learn from gaming( ingame stuff not associated with emotions or positive emotions). Tbh most time I am gaming I am not feeling negative emotions, I don't need them to learn game stuff AND when I am feeling bad emotions aka tilted as hell I will definitely not learn shit that game. TLDR video makes total sense but gamers don't learn while gaming is an overgeneralizated and ambiguous statement. Disclaimer I have no scientific background on this.
I was thinking the same thing - I think it's a stretch to say that it is 'shut down' or depressed. The games I enjoy playing the most are the ones that make me suffer the most when I make bad decisions in the game. In many ways, the game provides more stress and negative feedback than whatever else I would have been doing at 9pm on a weeknight. I have to respectfully disagree with the idea presented in this video.
@@gamemakergameprogrammingco4786 I agree only for one simple thing. What do you you do when you feel like shit? You play video games to compensate for it. If I take away games from u. U will actually start taking actions on your real life problems its that simple. Im not saying you shouldn't play competitively. I'm saying that u should exercise more ur brain so that u dont compensate every single bad event that happens in ur life on video - games
This video makes wanna stop watching youtube videos all day for a day and start gaming again.
This is really amazing and is gonna help me so much. I will actually try to stop playing for 2 months. Thank you so much !
So many gaming addicts have stopped wanting the good things in life, thinking it's a conscious choice, and this man just dunked that belief and shattered the backboard
The good things like what exactly?
Dr K thinks video games suppress pain and suffering. He's clearly never played smash ultimate online.
come join the melee club
Aight listen that's just wrong, if I never learned anything while playing games I wouldn't have learned to dodge blitz hook
But those are mostly postive reinforcements tho. Most people who play competitive games dont pick up on their mistakes right away. They either blame others, or eventually learn it after failing enough times, or they learn it buy looking up a guide. Its not uncommon for people to make a mistake in game, get punished for it, realize what they did, tell themselves it's not going to happen again, and then bam.. you do it again next round. (you'll learn it eventually, but if it isn't something you "get" instinctually, it takes some repetition to learn). On the other hand, if you do think of a new strategy that ends up actually working.... you "learn" it right away -- you'll never miss or forget to do that thing anytime the opportunity presents itself.
Shoutouts to the fighting game community for keeping me moderate in game use. It's impossible to not feel emotional when you're getting that ass combo'd to death lmao!!
So, going to school is the same as touching a hot stove. No pain, no diploma.
So hot stoves gives diplomas?
@@zebwolf9340 so what, do you have your diploma?
Man this guy is absolutely spot on.
So i am actually drruging my brain by playing 10 h a day....
yes. it's identical to hardcore drugs.
EuroChad ehm, idk if my pc will destroy my system tho😅
@@GravyyTrain It's not identical. The dopamine effect is the same, but it's a "clean release" stimulated by your own brain. On the other hand, drugs contain chemicals, which may cause a myriad of side effects in the entire body and are inherently a lot more dangerous. Addictions like gaming or gambling cause mental health issues, chemical addictions cause both mental and physical health problems.
Bro get a life, never it's too late 🇧🇷🇧🇷
Definitely not. Eventually you burn out and you can barely play for like an hour
This man is a pioneer and a genius
I think the assumption in this video would be correct if we'd play 24 hours a day, or at least all of our waking hours. But we have plenty of time paining outside of gaming to "learn from the pain". We're just not learning that videogames are bad for us, because they're not causing pain and quite the opposite (in short term, but the biochemistry of the brain isn't as good at making long-term predictions).
But in general, I'm really liking this series so far.
The games cause pain when they are taken away. 😜
Playing games which have a partial gambling objective [with guaranteed results, after certain amount of tries ] with all the RnG involved in a lot of game mechanics.
The stress I get sometime, overcomes the stress from the Work/IRL Life itself.
As humans, we choose easier stuff, so, these scenarios make me tackle issues in life, rather than issues in a virtual world that may not exist by tomorrow.
Unless you get a bad Yasuo that does not stop flaming. I guarantee you hypocampus is full on learning mode.
Anyone who play LoL maybe can relate to this but this makes so much sense. It's pretty usual to see people making the same macro-game mistake over and over again (peeking a bush that's probably have a enemy, over-extending, etc). People don't learn even about the mistakes they make in the game itself because of this and that's why they get stuck at silver or gold. Holy shit.
So basically don't enter the game in the first place, stop avoiding the problem in the first place and deal with it. That's what you're saying. I guess the same is true for other avoidance mechanisms. I don't drink but isn't that why people drink, to avoid the pain of their emotional problems? (I know I'm talking about something that I really have no experience of here, about alcoholism.) Same thing for overeating...
So people are thinking that their bad habit - the gaming, the drinking, the overeating, is the issue, but that's not the issue. The issue is that you're avoiding your problems in the first place?
Can you make the same realization about all dopamine inducing and pain releasing things? As in, having a bad day or any day in general, grabbing a sip of wine so you relax, go to bed, the next day doing it all over again. The sip of wine making you never learn or cope, reducing time spent in a negative emotional state etc?
If gaming supresses part of the brain that processes negative emotions and therefore learning, I wonder what happens to the brain during horror gaming. 😕
This is also relevant for internet addiction
In short: Gaming hides your pain from parts of your brain, and since you can learn from pain you inhibit your learning by gaming.
I think there is a much deeper explanation going on here. Hypothesis: Habituating to dopamine kicks from continuously stimulating games could decrease the dopamine you feel from engaging in learning activities. Gaming can in that way make it much harder to concentrate in classes or meetings, not only because you hide from experiences, but because you cannot concentrate as easy at these new experiences.
tfw he's talking about the amygdala and says "having a bad day" .. or growing up in a very abusive household with 0 resources except video games
I wish I had these recommended to me much before. Now I could see some things that I clearly couldn't before, just need to identify WHAT negative emotion I might have fled from to pvercome that.
Apparently I stopped playing games through the amygdala. I kept thinking about all the things I should actually do while gaming, voluntarily causing negative emotion. In the end, I just stopped. I hated myself but I stopped. :')
"Video games suppress the feelings of pain and suffering"
*Dark Souls has entered the chat*
You commented exactly what I was thinking, word for word 😂
All I have is negative emotional states... If I didn't numb myself on gaming I rapidly become so depressed I become suicidal...
This is interesting actually. What this would mean is games can prevent pstd from negative events because they would prevent the amygdala from forming associations in memory that would lead to PTSD
is this then why I feel numb to certain situations when I know I should be feeling bad because the brain learning this has been blocked/disconnected?
Enjoying the series this far. I was wondering if games are turning off the learning circuitry of our brain, does that mean we cannot use games to learn things? Are there actually just certain designs in games which have this effect? Or when we say learn things, do we mean learn more of moral lessons of life, not necessarily acquiring new knowledge or understanding of a system like game mechanics? Hope you see this, thanks for the work you put in.
I'm a hardcore gamer, I have been out of work for long time because of my feet and barley can walk. I studied few hours a day for certification, then I game a lot. I think b having a video addiction is better than addicted to mindless TV. I spend hours reading off my games, having to think on budgeting the game currency, and just constantly thinking while your playing. I learned lot about WW1 from reading and playing war games before. I don't believe your not learning from some video games. I have read video games can help reduce chance of getting Alzheimer's.
guess im gonna drop my computer on top of me so i can get hurt and not play games anymore
Been gaming for the last 18 years. I give credit to it for my enhanced cognition than all of the contemporary that I grew up with.
F-BOMB
That was jarring to hear, now I want more @__@
These lectures makes me want to keep playing games for some reason
I think there's a really important variable that Dr. K doesn't address; that being the style of game being played during the study he references, and therefor bases his theory on. There's a massive variation in what constitutes a video game, from quite passive story based experiences, to purely mathematical/problem solving based games, to games that mostly focus on fine motor skills/coordination/precision/reaction times. Some games require a large amount of communication & social skills, while some don't use that part of the brain at all. Some games drip feed you rewards/dopamine hits every few minutes to keep you interested while others delay gratification to extreme degrees. The gamification of education & learning has also shown to be quite effective, which seems a little contrary to this theory. If video games shut down our ability to learn, how do we ever improve at them? Personally, aim training style games have had a noticable effect on my mouse precision/hand eye coordination. Is muscle memory not part of learning? I have also played both single player & multiplayer games that have caused quite intense amounts of anxiety & fear in me. The over-simplification & generalization that "games shut down your ability to feel pain or learn" doesn't seem very scientific. It's a fun theory otherwise.
wish i found these in my early twenties
been addicted to league of legends for 4 years. Played thousands of games and in my personal experience, the thing that pushes a gamer to game more is the sense of achievement. Gamers are detached from reality if not mostly. There are people who are so afraid in real life that they vent their inability to achieve real achievements in life to a videogame. Real life is like a prison to these gamers and games give them this freedom and somehow feel like they've achieved something. The reality is in my case league of legends, the thing that I tried to reach is a virtual emblem that no one even cares except me. I didn't help anyone by getting masters nor made a difference. I just had that feeling "ooh I achieved something, yey!" and that's it. I ignored the toxicity and frustration in league because in my mind, that border/emblem/rank is worth it. Once a player realize that what he's fighting for isn't really worth anything, tolerance on toxic players and frustration start to get into you. At the end of my addiction, reality snapped and I realized my rank isn't worth the stress this game put on my shoulders. That's how I stopped my league addiction.
Alright, right now I just hope that episode 006 will tell us about how to tolerate negative emotional states, because this thing can change my life.
So, I went through all the course and I'm sad. I learned a lot of things, they are super useful and I will try to use them, but there is nothing about tolerating negative emotional states. Closest we've got to it was in "Reframe From Goals To Actions | Episode 013". Now I have to dig into information from there "50-60y.o. that never played the game".
@@LuckyGnom I'd think that its already implied on how to do it. When you feel a negative emotion do not go ahead and try to distract yourself from that emotion but instead accept the emotion and maybe even think about why you are feeling said emotion, the last part is optional. Simply not doing what you usually do (which would be you distracting yourself from negative emotions) and instead allowing the emotion to be. Surely it will pass as time goes by but it might take longer. Tolerating instead of avoiding the feeling is what he mean's. I think.
This of course is only my opinion and I only wrote this to help you. So please do not feel attacked or anything like that.
@@LuckyGnom meditation is a great place to start to become more aware of what you are feeling. Noticing the uncomfortable feeling that drive you to game, whether that be boredom, loneliness, sadness. To rediscover yourself may take a long time. It may be worthwhile getting a therapist if you are thinking of changing your life.
Bro I've touched so many hot stoves and cry every time
I wonder if this same principle can be linked to children and tablets...? It would explain why their behaviors and moods are so drastic from children before. Would love to hear what you think.
duuude I feel like I gained so many brain cells from this video lol
SO how come we learn so much by playing and having fun?
I play 2-3h a day on school days, and around 7-12h on weekends depending on when i wake up, and if i go do something i have less hours, but i watch yt from when i go to bed to 1-4AM so i get tired and can actually sleep, instead of laying there for 4 hours thinking about all negative thins possible
I used to do the lay in bed like that until the sun came up. I have anxiety problems etc. I started reading books before bed(1hour before actual sleeptime, no more screens) and I got a weighted blanket. I sleep like a baby and actually feel rested when I wake up in the morning. Also for better effect, limit your caffeine intake to before let's say 2a clock in the afternoon which also helps.
Explenation: part of the brain blocks you from stopping
Me: WELL I CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, SO I’LL GAME MY NEGATIVE AND DEPRESSING THOUGHTS AWAY
5ivehead
well done buddy
Omg please have an interview with Jordan Peterson
Never happy to play CSGO, lots of times I get upset, but I continue to play it cuz I wanna get better
Hmmm, i stub my toe and it hurts real bad, and i still do it all the time,maybe im just a bad learner🙂
Wonder what his opinion is on challenging games such as cuphead and dark souls that for a lot of people causes fustration and certantly negative emotions. How do games such as this factor into video game addiction.
This breakdown of the internal process easily applies to other addictions like weed. Great insights.
What about youtube? Or watching shows? Or anything that is even more passive than gaming?
When you've been gaming for too long, you start to fear the consequences that result, lack of sleep, bad grades, your mom yelling at you, etc. That apprehension is uncomfortable, something anyone would want to escape. It turns out that for most gamers, gaming is what they do to escape negative emotion, so as the consequences of continuing to game grow, the more difficult it is to stop gaming and allow those emotions to rush in full force.
Uh, no, gamers have different reasons, just like all people
@@caesar7786 yeah, I think you're right. I mispoke. Many gamers, perhaps, but I dunno about most.
@@SemiMono well, as long as you still keep things balanced & manage time, then it's still completely fine.
Well, no i think, a lot of us play games for fun & entertainment.
@@caesar7786 I don't disagree with playing them for fun and entertainment, but procrastination is usually done with fun, entertaining activities. It's not inherently a good thing.
Now, I don't think that getting a break from stress is a bad thing, but it can get out of hand. If there are things that need doing, but you need a break, make sure the break is planned. Make a conscious choice to take a break, and decide how long the break will be, and hold to it. Not something I find easy to do, but when I manage it, I'm far happier.
@@SemiMono procrastination for fun is a whole different thing than playing for fun & enjoyment.
It could, but only if you're unable to keep things balanced & time managed. If you know how, then not at all, it's normal & good for you.
People don't stop playing video games 'cause their bodies know it is good for them ^.^ People DO learn playing video games.
He is definitely infront of a green screen at home, but i respect the hustle
So basically to stop playing videogames you have to stop playing videogames, lol. I feel like this also applies to internet addiction which I think describes me a little better.
Are smartphones more addictive? Because you carry it everywhere and I feel that I 'MUST' have it near me
It's all regulated by dopamine, its not more addicted by definition. But because you can take it everywhere it is easier to get your hands onto (takes only seconds to pop up and put away again so less investment than 45 minute game while being behind your PC. Thus, yes its very addictive if overused.
Actually watching this while i have to learn XD
Use to play Ultima Online and I got to it being 50-70 hours a week sometimes I'd buy resources like boards and ingots and arrows and it took 5 hours to prime the vendors so I would buy for 24-36 hours straight. That game had went from fun to pure hell and I broke it cold turkey said why am I running imaginary businesses when I can just run a real one which is what I did 17 years ago.
Now today I'm 50 and still play a video game I like world of warships is pvpthe games are a Max of 20 mins and I play 1-3 hours most nights what I'm hunting for is that epic game that game where you do something awesome and some nights I fail and I leave disappointed and others days I have a huge game and I often leave right after as I don't think I can top it like last night I played the Georgia for the first time in months and I never liked that ship. Well 207,000 damage and 4 kills in one game put a smile on my face and I was finished for the night after just 45 mins.
But a lot of other activities could be used as an unhealthy escapism activity, right? Or is it mainly gaming? This was a great lesson though.
But where is there room for being tired of an old game but liking a new one
this is so weird to listen to as somebody who stopped actively gaming "naturally", and who learned a lot thanks to video games (first and foremost - english).
No coughs, zero ambient noise from students infact, looking at the camera every few seconds, subtle green tint around his edges and underarm. Still, a lecture style adds legitimacy to this criminally under-discussed issue
Hey Dr K, I was wondering on what you meant by learning needs pain as you need to feel pain to learn not to do something, like your example of touching a hot stove? Did you mean operant conditioning (learning through positive reinforcement and punishment) when you were explaining how to need to experience pain to be able to learn and that gaming dulls down the pain needed to learn?
where are the captions of the video? How i still am learning english they do are necessary on my undestood
very interesting !
Wont this heavily depend on the type of game(s) you're playing though? Like genres such as puzzle games would help towards learning maybe? I dunno
@@trr7fd Factorio? Satisfactory? They're probably the two biggest most addicting problem solving/puzzle games.
About the initial example. If crying lights up the amygdala which is associated with fear and/or negative emotions and the amygdala makes a new connection with your hippocampus which is connected to learning and memories. Wouldn't that process stop people from any sort of crying? Since it's all negative but people can cry out of happiness, how come that doesn't go through the same chain as before. Or just crying about things in general. From the example you gave it looks like it would make you avoid anything and everything that leads to crying?
It's obviously so much more complex and not like a program, fear/negative emotions=crying, remember and learn to avoid things that make you cry. I know this isn't the case just through my own human experience but it's just what I thought of when you made the example.
I *think* he's using crying to illustrate the negative emotion, not that crying is the amygdala lighting up
Crying isn't the causal mechanism for amygdala activation: it's a response. It's not the crying that makes the amygdala light up, but the amygdala lighting up can make you cry.
So you are saying that I should only play souls like games?
Which kind of games he is talking about? For sure it is not ranked AoE or Dota games
If we learn from pain thin why did i keep playing Leage Of Legions ?
I have a question. Does long term gaming addiction cause longer term suppression of the amygdala? I've done some research but I cant find anything about long term suppression after gaming. Writing a paper on video game addiction for my English class.
Guess thats why i used to feel so numbed out
"there's an ogre inside of me"
lol shrek moment
No pain, no gain
U game, no pain
So the hot stove is basically league and me not stopping after losing like 3 games in a row is me not learning from the pain?
I understand the concept. However, if gaming affects the learning circuitry, how does somebody become better at games if the learning circuit is blocked?
My guess is the learning circuit is actually only selectively blocked, because your focus tends to tunnel on the addictive behavior when you're doing it and shut out the outside world and thoughts, so it suppresses thoughts that lead to 'I should stop playing' but not thoughts about 'This boss is so hard to beat'. So you get better at the game, but not at life.
I always thought I am not addicted, because I can stop gaming for days or weeks on end. Guess I was wrong.
I used to be an alchohol addict and i could go for months without drinking and it was not a problem at all. But then i'd have a beer at some get togheter or whatever, and then i'd have 2 at the next social event. Eventually i was right back at the place i was at before quitting to begin with - An alchoholic that drinks large amounts of alchohol 5-7 days a week. I would also claim (to myself) that i did not have a problem, because i would regularly test myself and see if i'd have issues quitting for a short week or whatever, which i didn't.
What i am trying to say here is that even though you might not struggle going for days or weeks without gaming, you might still have a problem. And in my experience having a gaming addiction is much harder to get rid of than an alchohol addiction. Gaming is free, it's at home, it's relaxing and it can also be social. Now i think it depends on the type of game that you play, if it's a MOBA or anything with ranks and competition in it then i think that it is very likely to be highly addictive.
@@TheTwitchybird Well its a bit more complicated. I only play competetive multiplayer games since 12 years and I pretty much neglected everything else. I am literally a manchild and I see no going back or forward. I feel miserable most these days, with all the guilt, fear, loneliness dragging me down, but gaming and escaping all day is now more than ever the only way I can function. One of the worst parts is, I used to game with passion and it used to fullfill me to a degree. This has almost completely disappeared. So now I am 30yo loner virgin with no more friends neither real no virtual and little to no job experience or good education and I simply do not know what to do. I look around and see others with 18 and 20 start creating lifes for themsleves and it makes me sick because I know I could have done the same.
@@TheTwitchybird gaming is free???
@@ChrisSmooth24 Are you poor? Get a job :)
@@TheTwitchybird made no sense but ok
No one can be addicted to COD SBMM for sure xD.
As a "hardcore" gamer myself I couldn't disagree with this more. Gaming is very much about learning lessons from your actions. Especially when playing at higher levels or playing numerous different games. Games punish you with "death" or damage for making mistakes and developers are good at learning/teach players the desired behavior of their world. The graphic design industry, in which I work, almost everybody games (alot) and they seem to be the demographic that learns new skills the fastest. Most of them are autodidacts and pick-up new (technical) skills really fast compared to colleagues in other fields. The test results from this study may still be solid, but I am not sure if this is the right lesson to learn from those results.
Don't believe the bullshit in this video. What he is saying clearly contradicts the established positive effects of gaming on the human brain.
question, is he burping because he is drinking before the lecture, have heard him on a livestream saying "im sorry, im drunk" not sure if he wants to listen to people, or is he able to listen becasue he is drinking?
Correct me if i'm wrong.I play games for strategy creativity and challenge.Mainly league of legends and Legends of runeterra.The league of legends community was toxic and it made me toxic.IT activated my amygdala to respond emotionally and irrationally.Lucky for me Gbay99's video on the art of league helped me understand how and why i became toxic and emotional.Today i still play league while muting everyone.I let my actions do the talking for me and the ping system.While maintaining emotional control with a few slips but i'm able to gain consciousness of me slipping and i manage to breathe and mental switch from being emotional for 10 secs to all out focus.Happens in my 3rd or 4th ranked game playing about 5 rank matches a day.
Once i'm done ranking for the day.I take a break and do something else like working out, watching a movie or playing a story driven narrative game.I'm also a big supporter of skill capped challenger LoL guides providing in depth understanding of the game and how to strategically do things to improve and get better.I'm learning, building muscle memory whilst maintaining emotional control of my amygdala.I further improve myself by working out everyday and having a day job which forces me to game less.
Am i doing things right? am i doing things good or bad? i want more information on this because i understand the severity and serious mental impact gaming has on people who don't take care of their mental state and overall well being when gaming.
you just wrote 2 paragraphs bragging about how much of a good boy you are and expect anyone to say anything to you
I feel lots of negative emotions while playing video games lol.