What I heard is that either 20 watt Valve Amp or 50 watt Solid State would perfectly fill the bill. I used to play a Marshall MG30CFX 30 watts 1x10" and it was enough for band practice. I upgraded to a Orange Crush Pro 60 watts, this one has the advantage of external speaker connections. I may upgrade to a Valve Amp, I was unsure if going for a 20 watt tube amp, but this video shows it's quite good power. Once I had to play a small/medium size gig with this 30 watts Marshall amp, and unfortunately, the rest of the band could not hear me, I could barely hear myself, I believe it was because it was quite a big room and sound esparce too much. I think the best solution would be Micing through PA for better sound distribution with not too much loudness on stage, and maybe more speakers on stage for better monitoring.
I think a lot of the amps sounded weak is because the Peavey Windsor is a 16ohm cab. Amps like the Joyo Zombie need an 8ohm cab to be at 20 watts. If you played it with a 16 ohm cab, you'll only hear half its power (10 watts).
Please play the 5 watt amp thru the 412 cab. I bet it will be a lot louder. In fact, you should have played everything thru the same cab for a true test. Playing a 5 watt amp thru a tiny speaker next to a 20 watt amp thru a 412 is a flawed test.
I find it very hard to believe that the Marshall MG50 with the 12" can sound so anemic. Actually ALL amps sounded anemic in this video, it's as though no amp can really stand its ground. I'm perplexed.
Yeah that microphone was compressing everything so the loudest amp sounded relatively quiet. Really need a DB meter and just redo without the drummer and then find out how loud the drummer is on the meter as well and compare 🤷🏽♂️
I have an Ibanez TBX 150R Tone Blaster X (2x12” combo solid state amp) it’s barely loud enough for blast beat metal over the acoustic drums in a basement setting. I have it as loud as it will go till the speakers break up. I pushed it through a 4x12 cab (possible) and only about 10% volume gain there. (Not to mention stressing the amp a bit) I’d always recommend a 4x12 cab and 100w tube or* solid state equivalent (so long and it’s intended to power a 4x12) and your golden. Can’t go wrong. 🤘🏻
@@carbongenetics3991 I play blast beat metal too so my man is in shop I got a 30 watt head with 4 by 12 cab is it good? It kept up with just the drummer in a 1 12 cab I'm assuming a big 4 would be plenty
from our Band experience we found that 20 Watts Valve Amps mooooore than enough for Practice rooms. got a 20 watt Marshall DSL20 with 212 Cab and it blows everyones Ears off.
@@GiselleDK I also got head and cabinet. I have custom speakers in it! It's versatile to have it as a stack, so you can decide if you like other cabinets better
great video! I have an all tube 7w combo with a 12'' speaker, I guess the speaker is 50w or 60w, what do you think that would do? 1 tube12ax7 and 1tube 6l6. It's a brand called Borne, from Brazil where I'm from, you can look it up: borne clássico t7
I had an *Ibanez TBX 150R Tone Blaster X (2x12” SOLID STATE COMBO AMP) and it’s barely loud enough for BLAST BEAT METAL band practice over the acoustic drums in a BASEMENT SETTING. I've had it as loud as it will go till the speakers break up. I tried it through a 4x12 cab and there was only about 10% volume gain there. For BLAST BEAT METAL I’d have to recommend a 4x12 cab paired with 100w tube or solid state equivalent for band practice. 🤘🏻It's also worth mentioning the significant difference between solid state and tube wattage as well as the brand of gear or particular piece of gear you are using.
I would recommend combo amps for the beginner guitarist who ever intends to do band practice. Guitar distortion pedals and effects pedals are usually intended for use with an IR (impulse response) of a guitar amplifier/cab (or plugin) to sound good and would require the use of a guitar amplifier to power the volume anyhow. That's why combo amps are a bang-for-the-buck deal including some power with some quality distortion. Combo amps are also convenient in size, weight, ease of use and reliability and all at somewhat of a reasonable price tag. Always go for as many watts as you find available in what your looking for, you’ll thank me later.
@@carbongenetics3991 I doubt everyone will "thank you later". Getting a 100 watt amp is overkill for most people. Any venue that requires that much power will have an adequate pa system. For most people, 20 watts of valve power is more than you will ever need. If you must, then go for 50, but you'll never need to turn it up over 3. The only reason you'll need 100 watts is if you have to show off.
@@castleanthrax1833 Let me edit this old message for you. Cause a few points may have been missed. 1- Never said "everyone" or "most people" : I stated "blast beat metal" and "solid state combo amp". 2- Never mentioned a "venue" : I stated "basement setting" (+ any adequate PA system has even more wattage than a guitar amp so that doesn't really help answer the main topic question) 3- What I meant by "you'll thank me later": I stated "Always go for as many watts AS YOU FIND AVAILABLE IN WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR" . That could mean any amount of watts. You'll thank me later as in you won't have to upgrade weak gear later on when you realize it sucks, and waste money that could have gone towards something better in the first place.
@@carbongenetics3991 Let me edit my comment for you. I didn't mean "everyone", I meant "anyone". Except maybe the store that gets more money for the 100 watt amp when all you need is 20. Or the chiropractor who fixes your back from hauling round a huge, unnecessarily large amplifier. Very few people require more than 20 watts. You sound like you're peddling 100 watt amps. Sorry to disagree with you, but the age of large amplifiers are gone.
@@castleanthrax1833 I'm not trying to invalidate your recommendation for your particular audience or argue. My message was stated from my experience with my band over the years and the equipment I've used.
Anyone had experience with rehearsal/gigging with a vox ac15?? I play mostly Psych Rock/Garage so preety loud music, im really doubting getting the ac15.. any help would really be apreciated!
What watt amp should I use for a PA system? I brought my 60 watt DeVille to my last gig and sounded way too clean. I want that breakup if I need to play though a pa, need the amp to be at like 7 out of 10
Get an attenuator so you can drive the power amp harder at the same volume or a drive pedal I guess to give you the breakup you are looking for. Like a transparent kind of overdrive is what it sounds like you are looking for.
I like the punchline; I suppose that the bass player has used the strings to hang himself, that's why bass strings are heavy load, they are used by people with suicidal personalities ;)
i play in standard g in cavern death doom band so 50 plexi Mars and revv g4 + maxon808 is bare minimum. depands on your drummer i guess. rock is easy , death doom is unforgiving ... 🪦
What I heard is that either 20 watt Valve Amp or 50 watt Solid State would perfectly fill the bill.
I used to play a Marshall MG30CFX 30 watts 1x10" and it was enough for band practice. I upgraded to a Orange Crush Pro 60 watts, this one has the advantage of external speaker connections.
I may upgrade to a Valve Amp, I was unsure if going for a 20 watt tube amp, but this video shows it's quite good power.
Once I had to play a small/medium size gig with this 30 watts Marshall amp, and unfortunately, the rest of the band could not hear me, I could barely hear myself, I believe it was because it was quite a big room and sound esparce too much. I think the best solution would be Micing through PA for better sound distribution with not too much loudness on stage, and maybe more speakers on stage for better monitoring.
The dialing of the amps is key here. At 50w, you weren’t past noon. The 20w was doing great
I think a lot of the amps sounded weak is because the Peavey Windsor is a 16ohm cab. Amps like the Joyo Zombie need an 8ohm cab to be at 20 watts. If you played it with a 16 ohm cab, you'll only hear half its power (10 watts).
I've played in a band using an XL-30-watt 1x12" VOX Valvetronix! Turned up all the way. Sounded great! Thanks
Please play the 5 watt amp thru the 412 cab. I bet it will be a lot louder. In fact, you should have played everything thru the same cab for a true test. Playing a 5 watt amp thru a tiny speaker next to a 20 watt amp thru a 412 is a flawed test.
You saved me 17mins of my life.
Speaker efficiency and impedance is as important as wattage
Indeed this 4*12 seemed "ridiculously" inefficient...
I find it very hard to believe that the Marshall MG50 with the 12" can sound so anemic. Actually ALL amps sounded anemic in this video, it's as though no amp can really stand its ground. I'm perplexed.
I believe this is because the amps were not miced, instead, it was a room microphone recording?
Yeah that microphone was compressing everything so the loudest amp sounded relatively quiet. Really need a DB meter and just redo without the drummer and then find out how loud the drummer is on the meter as well and compare 🤷🏽♂️
feels like I've been searching years for exactly this type of video. Thanks!
my top pick is the EVH fo sure. Guess I'm buying one lol. I plan on using it with a horizontal 2x12, is that loud enough?
I have an Ibanez TBX 150R Tone Blaster X (2x12” combo solid state amp) it’s barely loud enough for blast beat metal over the acoustic drums in a basement setting. I have it as loud as it will go till the speakers break up. I pushed it through a 4x12 cab (possible) and only about 10% volume gain there. (Not to mention stressing the amp a bit) I’d always recommend a 4x12 cab and 100w tube or* solid state equivalent (so long and it’s intended to power a 4x12) and your golden. Can’t go wrong. 🤘🏻
@@carbongenetics3991 I play blast beat metal too so my man is in shop I got a 30 watt head with 4 by 12 cab is it good? It kept up with just the drummer in a 1 12 cab I'm assuming a big 4 would be plenty
from our Band experience we found that 20 Watts Valve Amps mooooore than enough for Practice rooms. got a 20 watt Marshall DSL20 with 212 Cab and it blows everyones Ears off.
That's exactly what I'm considering getting, the dsl20 plus a 2x12. Why did you decide for the combo instead of head + cabinet?
@@GiselleDK I also got head and cabinet. I have custom speakers in it! It's versatile to have it as a stack, so you can decide if you like other cabinets better
Great and informative vid. Thanks. Ksantyp zawsze na propsie, także EN.
Great idea for a video, so very helpful. That EVH def took home the prize for me.
great video! I have an all tube 7w combo with a 12'' speaker, I guess the speaker is 50w or 60w, what do you think that would do? 1 tube12ax7 and 1tube 6l6. It's a brand called Borne, from Brazil where I'm from, you can look it up: borne clássico t7
Awesome video!!! Thanks.
Brilliant video
I had an *Ibanez TBX 150R Tone Blaster X (2x12” SOLID STATE COMBO AMP) and it’s barely loud enough for BLAST BEAT METAL band practice over the acoustic drums in a BASEMENT SETTING. I've had it as loud as it will go till the speakers break up. I tried it through a 4x12 cab and there was only about 10% volume gain there. For BLAST BEAT METAL I’d have to recommend a 4x12 cab paired with 100w tube or solid state equivalent for band practice. 🤘🏻It's also worth mentioning the significant difference between solid state and tube wattage as well as the brand of gear or particular piece of gear you are using.
I would recommend combo amps for the beginner guitarist who ever intends to do band practice. Guitar distortion pedals and effects pedals are usually intended for use with an IR (impulse response) of a guitar amplifier/cab (or plugin) to sound good and would require the use of a guitar amplifier to power the volume anyhow. That's why combo amps are a bang-for-the-buck deal including some power with some quality distortion. Combo amps are also convenient in size, weight, ease of use and reliability and all at somewhat of a reasonable price tag. Always go for as many watts as you find available in what your looking for, you’ll thank me later.
@@carbongenetics3991 I doubt everyone will "thank you later". Getting a 100 watt amp is overkill for most people. Any venue that requires that much power will have an adequate pa system. For most people, 20 watts of valve power is more than you will ever need. If you must, then go for 50, but you'll never need to turn it up over 3. The only reason you'll need 100 watts is if you have to show off.
@@castleanthrax1833 Let me edit this old message for you. Cause a few points may have been missed. 1- Never said "everyone" or "most people" : I stated "blast beat metal" and "solid state combo amp". 2- Never mentioned a "venue" : I stated "basement setting" (+ any adequate PA system has even more wattage than a guitar amp so that doesn't really help answer the main topic question) 3- What I meant by "you'll thank me later": I stated "Always go for as many watts AS YOU FIND AVAILABLE IN WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR" . That could mean any amount of watts. You'll thank me later as in you won't have to upgrade weak gear later on when you realize it sucks, and waste money that could have gone towards something better in the first place.
@@carbongenetics3991 Let me edit my comment for you. I didn't mean "everyone", I meant "anyone". Except maybe the store that gets more money for the 100 watt amp when all you need is 20. Or the chiropractor who fixes your back from hauling round a huge, unnecessarily large amplifier. Very few people require more than 20 watts. You sound like you're peddling 100 watt amps. Sorry to disagree with you, but the age of large amplifiers are gone.
@@castleanthrax1833 I'm not trying to invalidate your recommendation for your particular audience or argue. My message was stated from my experience with my band over the years and the equipment I've used.
Thanks for the video, it was straight to the point.
So basically I’m good If I go 50 and above but does the venue impact my cutting through the mix if I have a 50-100w amp or will the PA do the rest?
My 20 watt is more than enough honestly
This is fantastic! Really well done.
Please share
Great job guys!!!
20watt dsl marshall gets 113 decibels with a 4x12 cab
Is 15 watt amplifier loud enough to play with the band tho?
Most likely, no
Most likely yes. A 15 Watt valve amp is plenty loud.
4:30 the comparison starts. After that, it's just what the doctor ordered!
impatient u r ;)
@@ksantyp77 well me too hahah
I knew my 30 watts marshall was bad but i didn't know how bad
The jcm 900 sounded louder than the Hiatt 200 what 😳 adjustments
Anyone had experience with rehearsal/gigging with a vox ac15?? I play mostly Psych Rock/Garage so preety loud music, im really doubting getting the ac15.. any help would really be apreciated!
I gigged with one for many years. I only sold it because I wanted a different sound. I regret it a little now.
This is the real world - Colin.
What watt amp should I use for a PA system? I brought my 60 watt DeVille to my last gig and sounded way too clean. I want that breakup if I need to play though a pa, need the amp to be at like 7 out of 10
Get an attenuator so you can drive the power amp harder at the same volume or a drive pedal I guess to give you the breakup you are looking for. Like a transparent kind of overdrive is what it sounds like you are looking for.
Show the master Volume of the amp
I like the punchline; I suppose that the bass player has used the strings to hang himself, that's why bass strings are heavy load, they are used by people with suicidal personalities ;)
Nice one vídeo Bros!!!! thanks!!!!
That 5150 is just right!
When he says valve he means tube right?
yes
Nice jam.
thx
mg50 sounds louder than 200 hiwatt 😂
and I hate transistors..
it will be the eq..plus watching it in phone
I gig with a 15 watt tube amp and get away with it most of the time
was it miked and monitored?
Chord progression?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HIWATT?
Many solid state amps are shamefully rated at 4ohms. Maybe that was the case.
I don't understand it says 10 watts then underneath 200 watts pls help me
???
maybe 200 wats is the energy consumption
First one is the power of an amp, second is the speaker's power
200 watts was the speakers. They were using a speaker cabinet with four 50 watt speakers. 4 x 50 = 200
Nice Video.
thx a lot
@@AnotherGuitarChannel 30 watts are enough for my practice room and small gig with my band?
20 with a 4 12 is enough
Could you post the tabs for this riff?
Its dopeee
@@rubenvargas8993 thx a lot, but i dont really use tabs, dont have any kind of app to make them
I knew it hawkeye is a musician.
l0ud d0nt mean g00d
4:28 so no more talk already
You are doing God’s work........thanks bro!!
You forgot to ad vocals.
i play in standard g in cavern death doom band so 50 plexi Mars and revv g4 + maxon808 is bare minimum. depands on your drummer i guess. rock is easy , death doom is unforgiving ... 🪦