BIGFOOT: Our Closest Encounter Yet!!

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  • @leonardcavaretta905
    @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +10

    Bigfoot also used Infrasound, the same as tigers and other animals, to put fear into you, and disorient you. That's the feeling you got when you went to the river. You said it felt like you got too close to something and had a weird queasy feeling.

  • @craigcmh
    @craigcmh Рік тому +4

    I just noticed the cross that replaced the letter “T” in the logo. Very cool and sneaky lol

  • @rob7509
    @rob7509 Рік тому +8

    It blows my mind how they can move around so quite and these are massive creatures and yes I saw that eye shine ! You guys are so brave man

    • @rob7509
      @rob7509 Рік тому +1

      Guys what if it was a dogman ? 👀😳watching this now on my tv sick day for me and raining out.

    • @rob7509
      @rob7509 Рік тому +1

      Sorry more thoughts true, what if it cloaked itself ? 🤔

    • @gracieg7601
      @gracieg7601 9 місяців тому

      Look up. I’ve heard of people walking almist under it and it’s up high in a tree. If it wants you to see it it will show.

  • @freddog4490
    @freddog4490 Рік тому +10

    Great video again guys, it amazes me how you run TOWARDS IT !!!! I would be high tailing it out as fast as my legs would carry me. Stay safe everyone love from Scotland 👣🥃🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • @squatchwatchers
      @squatchwatchers  Рік тому +5

      Thank you for your support! It was definitely a crazy night!

    • @allanmcgahee9611
      @allanmcgahee9611 Місяць тому

      Thy can run towards it cause they are B rave S ouls. Oh , sorry , I don't know how the b and s got separated there 😂

  • @markchilders6307
    @markchilders6307 Рік тому +3

    Awesome Hunt 👍... Tons of Action!!!
    At 13:34 You can DEFINITELY see Eyeshine straight across. Keep on Squatchin

  • @leonardcavaretta905
    @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +9

    At 13:34 as you are spotlighting across the river, you can see a Bigfoot standing on the opposite bank. You get his eye shine really good, but you move off it very fast to the left as you hear a noise from there. This tells me that their was more than one. The other distracted you when you light up the other one.

    • @leonardcavaretta905
      @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +3

      Also at 13:36, you can see eye shine down near the water when you turn your light to the left.

    • @waltramar
      @waltramar Рік тому +2

      I seen it to. I screen shot it to look closer. I think it's a bigfoot too.

    • @gracieg7601
      @gracieg7601 9 місяців тому

      The BF are never alone.

  • @s.f.csmithcombatvetairborn646
    @s.f.csmithcombatvetairborn646 Рік тому +6

    This video the one with the dog that got attacked,and the tree shake video are in my mind the top three videos as far as evidence is concerned hands down guys.Great work y'all.

  • @anonymous-es5gi
    @anonymous-es5gi Рік тому +3

    Y'all need to listen to this video with head phones on and you'll hear some crazy sounding back ground noises . And when y'all notice the wind , that's the bf. They always bring the wind when they come . Good job fellers! -Susan from Texas

  • @cherylcobern4483
    @cherylcobern4483 Рік тому +3

    This is one of THE BEST you have ever done!!

  • @JVaughn344
    @JVaughn344 Рік тому +8

    Awesome investigation on this video... good catch guys...glad to see the investigations are getting longer 👍👍

  • @kathyparker5899
    @kathyparker5899 Рік тому +2

    This is the most interesting video I have watched. So much stuff happening. It seems to me like they are trying to lure y’all deeper into the woods. Now I am hooked on this channel. YALL be careful in the woods, God protect YALL.

  • @joesoaree3139
    @joesoaree3139 Місяць тому

    This is wonderful, I began listening and watching sasquatch podcasts and listening to Share my story at how to hunt,with Steve. You guys are the reason why I am enthralled with this topic. And I swear I could not find you fellas at all, because I thought you were called Carolina squatching.
    I'm glad to see that you are all still together, this time I have subscribed to get notifications. It seems to me that you guys, know a lot, and are still learning. Cheers and be safe Dave, I've never seen anyone chasing a sasquatch like you brother.

  • @kurtmckelvey9478
    @kurtmckelvey9478 Рік тому +4

    Love the length of this video !!!! Keep it up Guy's !!!! I fill y'all are making a break thru !!!!!! 😊 👍 👣

  • @mariesheppard1782
    @mariesheppard1782 Рік тому +1

    Hi Guys , Marie from South Wales UK 🇬🇧
    OMG.....This was The Edge of Your Seat Stuff. It had Everything it was SO CREEPY, you were Just Waiting for Sasquatch to come Bounding out of the Bushes at You All . Stay Safe Out There . 😲😲😱👀👀👀👀👣👣👣👣👣❤

  • @skippyjones4195
    @skippyjones4195 2 місяці тому

    Ok you guys need a BRIGHT FLASHLIGHT OUT THERE 👍✌️💪🏻

  • @DannyO.Garcia
    @DannyO.Garcia Рік тому +2

    I would give my left pinkie to go out there with you all. Fantastic just awesome. You guys are great have a nice night.

  • @CalmAlligator-by4vl
    @CalmAlligator-by4vl 3 місяці тому

    This is my favorite one Yes y'all I think have gotten closest in this than anyone has ever gotten to the Bigfoots This is so AWESOME 👍

  • @TW-kx6dl
    @TW-kx6dl Місяць тому

    Finally I see you shining in the trees that’s were I would be looking

  • @scottfrost8956
    @scottfrost8956 Рік тому +3

    Pretty simple if you pause at 6:49 and zoom into that dark spot up center you CLEARLY SEE, the eyes, brow ridge along with nose and hair line. If this isn’t a fake show that’s real forest person or squatch watching you head on.

  • @alexboxall5226
    @alexboxall5226 Рік тому +2

    The video was awesome and I herd dogs and Big foot cross the street and running

  • @carilee49
    @carilee49 Місяць тому

    You can't hush that many barking dogs all at once!?! Unbelievable! I've just found you guys to watch and I'm so thrilled that I can help you from my wheel chair over here in Oregon. Yes, I used to watch that other team because Bigfoot has always intrigued me. But that team was always a joke even when it seemed like they had a little evidence. I appreciate that you pray for safety. And even though these are old videos, you're in my prayers too. Safe searches! God bless!

  • @barbaraharper3150
    @barbaraharper3150 Рік тому

    Eager to see and hear more. Thank you for sharing with us

  • @leejayclifton8136
    @leejayclifton8136 Рік тому +2

    Ya need Todd standing there with ya's just a thought lol

    • @cherylcobern4483
      @cherylcobern4483 Рік тому

      You know, when they did that day excursion, Todd was REALLY SMACKING that tree & if you watch - i sent in screenshots - one steps out down the road a ways to see who is doing that.. Probly thought it was one of their own! 😄 I'd love to see/hear him do it during a night excursion!! Can you imagine the reaction THEN?!?.

    • @leejayclifton8136
      @leejayclifton8136 Рік тому

      I take it you watch sylvanic Bigfoot then ? Todd is a bad ass researcher👍🏻.. watch the video when they growl up close and then they take the Apples 🍎

  • @anthonysimone6249
    @anthonysimone6249 Рік тому +7

    THE video with the tree branch come down right next to you, under that tree on the ground was EYE SHINE while you were showing the area branch came down. the eyeshine was on twice as you kept going back. in you excitement you missed it. It was not a racoon, as the eye shine was wide between each eye. GO SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @yindyamarra
    @yindyamarra Рік тому +2

    You need a thermal vision, and I wouldn’t run at anything in the dark

  • @leonardcavaretta905
    @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +2

    You guys have to remember to look up in the trees, as Bigfoot will climb up them to hide and to get a better vantage point.

  • @robertdoyle240
    @robertdoyle240 Рік тому +1

    Man you guys are the best I love your show so much keep it up boys Bob from Massachusetts

  • @chrisbell5763
    @chrisbell5763 Рік тому +1

    This is crazy and wow interesting

  • @cherylcobern4483
    @cherylcobern4483 Рік тому +2

    I STRONGLY BELIEVE that "the veil" is getting thinner.. Where we are on the Biblical prophetic timeline means that "that time" is very, very close.. I believe that "they" will be seen more, and seen closer to populated areas, and more frequently.. I firmly believe that they are here for a specific reason.. What if, for the "friendlier", more helpful, ones, it's to help God's people when "all hell literally does break loose"?

  • @Ramsey489
    @Ramsey489 Рік тому

    Great To See You Guys

  • @barbaraharper3150
    @barbaraharper3150 Рік тому +3

    Im enjoying this and get so excited along with you. Please continue the longer videos.

  • @Hold_my_beer
    @Hold_my_beer Рік тому

    Listen guys… I live 30 min outside Morristown n Kingsport n ready to head that way any time … been a subscriber since day one.. Either way , another great one from u fellers….

  • @toddmclamb9941
    @toddmclamb9941 Рік тому +2

    Awesome hunt and great footage guys. There was so much going on around y'all. I heard a lot of grunts/huffs while y'all were by the river. This was around the time that all those dogs went crazy. Seem to be several eye shines in the footage, however I didn't time time stamp anything. Yes sir, I sure would have loved to been at this hunt. I appreciate and thank you for the shout out guys.

  • @williamevans7978
    @williamevans7978 4 місяці тому +1

    Well, for one thing, nobody who reacts like that and makes all that noise at such critical moments would not be able to do field research with me--

  • @leonardcavaretta905
    @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +1

    At 38:48 if you look just over the bush and on to the opposite bank, you can see eye shine.

  • @brentevans1971
    @brentevans1971 4 місяці тому

    What’s up from Eastern PA? Just followed. Love your footage.

  • @Iveswoods68
    @Iveswoods68 Рік тому

    I just found your channel tonight and im hooked! You have a new subscriber.

  • @leonardcavaretta905
    @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +1

    At 35:45, right after you hear that "wow wow sounds" you can see a shadow figure move from the right to the left in the opening straight ahead.

  • @franky2456
    @franky2456 Рік тому

    Frank the tank here ! Thers a few out there !

  • @cherylcobern4483
    @cherylcobern4483 Рік тому +2

    I heard what Taylor was saying he heard, kinda like a "bark", i thought it was one of you doing that!! Dogman?!? I hope not!!

  • @GettinReal
    @GettinReal Рік тому +1

    Personally, I appreciate this channel's fortitude in gaining evidence for Nephelim. And, I hope they succeed in giving yet more worth to Revelations of the K.J.V. Bible.
    God be with you all.

  • @derrickR.
    @derrickR. Рік тому +1

    Had a Sasquatch that close and you did use the thermal or the heat signature??? Maybe next time?

  • @1972dsrai
    @1972dsrai Рік тому

    Bigfoot always have an exit strategy just in case you get too close.

  • @kurtmckelvey9478
    @kurtmckelvey9478 Рік тому +1

    56:27 is that foot prints on the road ( mud )

  • @gibsonbrigh
    @gibsonbrigh 7 місяців тому

    You guys should have brought some Jack Links with yous 😊. I can hear them Coyotes.

  • @robbiehernandez1666
    @robbiehernandez1666 Місяць тому

    Are you guys locked and loaded. If you're not, we will be hearing about you all on the NEWS! 💥💥💥💥

  • @Cdees57
    @Cdees57 Рік тому +4

    The dogs began barking after the wood knock then you could hear a scream behind the barking just b4 they stopped.

    • @squatchwatchers
      @squatchwatchers  Рік тому +2

      Yes! Then they mysteriously stopped barking which we found odd

  • @anthonysimone6249
    @anthonysimone6249 Рік тому +1

    The gorilla's ARSE and legs are hidden in the bush, but his upper torso, head, and right are, hand on ground. When you videoed him, He froze and would not move his head toward you until you panned away. Then I see eye shine. I am a retired police officer with 10 years in detectives.

  • @sybennett7392
    @sybennett7392 Рік тому

    Just subbed to this awsome channel god bless from UK 🇬🇧 🙏

  • @leonardcavaretta905
    @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +1

    You have to remember that these beings are highly intelligent. How else have they stayed hidden so long. Plus they have been here at least as long as homosapiens have, and have learned and evolved just as we have.

  • @kurtmckelvey9478
    @kurtmckelvey9478 Рік тому +1

    Didn't want to hurt you Guy's ! Or it would !!!! 😕

  • @octhe1uj
    @octhe1uj Рік тому +2

    lets push the limits here guys, if i was there i would have to see it up close to know for sure. im risking my life to prove its real if this is my life im dying for it until then its grown menplayin in the woods

    • @octhe1uj
      @octhe1uj Рік тому +1

      i support yall so dont take it as hate i think were all tired of seeing lies all we want is to get to the truth

    • @octhe1uj
      @octhe1uj Рік тому

      it might be abear too be careful

    • @squatchwatchers
      @squatchwatchers  Рік тому +2

      Understandable

  • @daleholt7165
    @daleholt7165 Рік тому

    exciting

  • @DanielVargas-lr7cr
    @DanielVargas-lr7cr Рік тому

    And no one has a heat signature camera

  • @franceshernandez3781
    @franceshernandez3781 10 місяців тому

    Good morning how are you today from Ricky hernandez your friend from Northridge California

  • @michelleemerson6253
    @michelleemerson6253 9 місяців тому

    At 18 minutes and 24 in low mid screen as Tate is talking about rocks landing in the water.

  • @ELECTRONICAMOM
    @ELECTRONICAMOM 7 місяців тому +2

    WE CAN'T SEE A DAMN THING OF WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE SEEING, WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT. YOU GUYS NEED TO GET YOURSELF ADEQUATE LIGHTING LIKE A FLOOD LIGHT, EVEN IF IT MEANS CARRYING A HUGE PORTABLE BATTERY. WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO HUNT FOR SASQUATCH IN THE DAYLIGHT WHEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT. AND THE STUFF YOU SAY YOU ARE HEARING, US VIEWERS HEAR VERY LITTLE IF ANYTHING.

  • @janetsutter5430
    @janetsutter5430 3 місяці тому

    You all need an infrared camera. You would of been able to see where he was!!

  • @charmainevandiford6622
    @charmainevandiford6622 2 місяці тому

    Don’t think they are only in the mountains of NC. They are in the Eastern NC also. I have never seen one but heard one roar one night or what I think was one. Also a guy seen one standing in a path and thought it was a bear and turned around and next to a mud puddle he had a 17 inch barefoot track in the mud. I think they’re population is growing. I have hunted and fished in Eastern NC for years and never seen one but that doesn’t mean they are not there. They have plenty of places to hide. I think they are mostly nocturnal and stay away from people when ever possible.

  • @BartzabelAlgol
    @BartzabelAlgol 2 місяці тому

    The Sasquatch and Dogman as well as other unknown entities have learned to "cleanly pierce" the veil that they disappear into and they instantly disappear, younger such creatures must be taught to pierce the veil as they almost always run roughshod thru it which is problematic for them and always makes an odd smell so many investigators have smelled as well as it will make a sound the aforementioned also have heard. Most of the time what people interpret as "wood knocks" are actually sounds they make with their mouth whence communicating with one another.

  • @bubblesbubbles2727
    @bubblesbubbles2727 7 місяців тому

    Personally i like the daytime videos, cause i cant see nothing at night

  • @Amanda-cx5bm
    @Amanda-cx5bm 3 місяці тому

  • @wannabeangler
    @wannabeangler Рік тому

    Where are y'all at? I swear to God, I've seen & heard stuff in VA. My buddy has some property in Lunenburg and has had rocks thrown onto his trailer from the thickets! I've seen 2 at 2 different times. Mind you it was years ago, but I have seen 2. I see nests and structures all over. These creatures are everywhere!

  • @cherylcobern4483
    @cherylcobern4483 Рік тому

    Hey, David Martin, where is your go-pro? You said you were gonna have it on you all the time.

  • @BartzabelAlgol
    @BartzabelAlgol 2 місяці тому

    20:50 or sooner, I think you very may well have a sasquatch in the water standing still watching but it looked to me that he knew his eyes would give him away!, as it looked to me that as your light panned toward him that he would turn his head thus breaking his gaze and avoiding the eye shine!, he is just above the waterline in the middle to middle/lower left quadrant of your monitor.

  • @scottwolter7784
    @scottwolter7784 8 місяців тому +1

    Why don’t y’all get a laser pointer

  • @jonhogue3793
    @jonhogue3793 Рік тому

    Around the 17:42 mark you can hear two really low sounding grunt/noise kinda things then the wood knock. Anyone else hear that?

  • @teresahickey3021
    @teresahickey3021 6 місяців тому

    1134 when camera turns left I seen a eye

  • @fredricabrams7081
    @fredricabrams7081 Рік тому

    Hey ya'll. So it's hard to hear anything from on this end. I hooked up my phone to my stereo to try hear better and still not very much. So might want to get better mics. Just tryn to help

  • @MarkO-ry2ud
    @MarkO-ry2ud Рік тому +1

    How tall was the Bigfoot with the eyeshine did you think

    • @tobybolick8171
      @tobybolick8171 Рік тому

      Around 8 to 9 feet considering the drop off at the edge of the bank

    • @MarkO-ry2ud
      @MarkO-ry2ud Рік тому

      Wonder if the x on the ground is left for you or for someone or something else

  • @cherylcobern4483
    @cherylcobern4483 Рік тому

    Is this the same place/area where the tree top was swaying back n forth?

  • @catheylunsford3159
    @catheylunsford3159 9 місяців тому

    Here's too many people gone missing there camp needs these thing s cause I believe squatch kid naps them

  • @leyley1970
    @leyley1970 Рік тому

    17:40 - 18:42 you can hear howling after u said there is a knock..

    • @leyley1970
      @leyley1970 Рік тому

      dogs but i heard a scream 19:40 - 20:07 a bark grunt

    • @leyley1970
      @leyley1970 Рік тому +1

      it was very close to y'all.. i heard it several times.. heard the chatter as well.. like a huff grunt .. sounded like right in the microphone

  • @forrest8976
    @forrest8976 Рік тому

    I just find it hard to believe any Dogman and Squatch would be in the same close proximity. I just cant see Dogman and Squatch being buddies. You have a knock or a rock clack with a vocal following the knock or clack immediately after. You hear this right after he says mushroom Time Stamp: 17:44

  • @kennethklaus2485
    @kennethklaus2485 23 дні тому

    😊

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    @squatchwatchers  Рік тому

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  • @roberttaylor2305
    @roberttaylor2305 Рік тому

    At 50:58 you can see a foot print when y’all are walking down the road

  • @adventureswithmikey1812
    @adventureswithmikey1812 Рік тому

    Hey buddy it looks like at around 20 :11or 20 20 when the dogs were barking it looked like faintly eye shine

  • @Amanda-cx5bm
    @Amanda-cx5bm 3 місяці тому

    oh they are listening to yall talk and they know that they are close to the wood

  • @waltramar
    @waltramar Рік тому +1

    Someone go back to 13:33. I see eye shine right in front of yall

  • @scottfrost8956
    @scottfrost8956 Рік тому

    At 7:02 it’s even easier to see his whole head

  • @bobbycoffey7566
    @bobbycoffey7566 Рік тому

    look at 35:08 EYE SHINE

  • @ricardogallegos6706
    @ricardogallegos6706 Рік тому

    Play the Sierra Sounds nd bring some cats. Apparently they like cats bc they are lean and hate dogs bc they bark and bc they look like dog man. But I'd try to bring different big sized, good handled for a good grip buckets to see if they grab them.

  • @TomAllenDrone
    @TomAllenDrone Рік тому +1

    Try talking to the Bigfoot... let him know you want to communicate.

  • @maggiemix7424
    @maggiemix7424 Рік тому

    At 12:55 in the 8:00 position there is a one eye shine with blinking with you two simultaneously hearing something. Two sec. later you do a rescope with your light and the eye shine is gone. 2nd There was for sure human verbal sounds with the dogs barking. And unless you guys were making 'whooping' and deep animal sounds in between. At 36:36 just at the moment you knew something was going on I was saying to myself that 'your cameras were trying to focus in on something'. But your cameras are not able to zero in on what it is. At 38:35 just above where the black "Mass" is,with my computers magnifying glass I can make out 2 one standing and one either sitting or bent over with something white in his/her hand. The sound that you heard shortly after might have been the object I saw in the hand of the one that was sitting down tossed.

  • @leonardcavaretta905
    @leonardcavaretta905 Рік тому +1

    Here is an idea, one of you should pee on the bucket and in the area where you saw the eye shine to see what their response is. Sort of as a way to mark the territory and get a response from them.

  • @ashleypeters6557
    @ashleypeters6557 2 місяці тому

    You guys need to get rid of the lights they dont like the lights youll have much more contact without the lights.

  • @lilahnewton7940
    @lilahnewton7940 Рік тому

    Hay y'all, I wish you would remember me. But I doubt it. I'd love to sign up to go on some hunts with The Squatch Watcher Boys. It would be an absolute blast!!! Hit me up!!

    • @squatchwatchers
      @squatchwatchers  Рік тому

      Hey - we are trying to figure out logistics to do a community hunt!

  • @jamesmichaelis1483
    @jamesmichaelis1483 6 місяців тому

    Y'all are about as believable as Rick Dwyer🙄

  • @kurtmckelvey9478
    @kurtmckelvey9478 Рік тому

    You Guy's need ( ASAP ) a I R camera !!!!! Like right now !!!! 😕 👣

  • @rickitickidicki
    @rickitickidicki 2 місяці тому

    Center screen @ 3:11...clear as day -a figure- Granted it looks like a man in sweats, but, clearly "something " standing there bold as brass. Sure enough it IS a figure...IT"s David. I am a dork...cryin' wolf...sorry folks😆

  • @teresahickey3021
    @teresahickey3021 6 місяців тому

    CEDER TREE THERE'''''''''''' WHEN HE SAID CEDAR TREE THERE'''''''''''' AND THE CAMERA GOES TO THE LEFT,,, I SEEN EYE SHINE. JUST ONE EYE BUT LOOKED LIKE A EYE

  • @janetsutter5430
    @janetsutter5430 7 місяців тому

    Is that growling sound around 13:36 or something else.

  • @sarahughes6452
    @sarahughes6452 Рік тому

    I really don’t want to say what I heard but listen from 14:00-14:06 and see if you hear something. I know the guys are talking but it’s mixed in with it. I can be wrong, which is why I don’t want to say what I hear to see if it’s corroborated. I can’t wait to see the remaining 40 minutes!!!

    • @cathymarshall8327
      @cathymarshall8327 Рік тому

      Yes, I heard something! Hard to describe it, though. Kinda like a couple grunts or the vocals of some of the chatter they do. I heard only like two syllables.

  • @nestorapr
    @nestorapr Рік тому

    Where are youre thermals cams

  • @lyndawarren7518
    @lyndawarren7518 Місяць тому +1

    Sadly nothing can be heard in the video other than your voices.

  • @dmitriy8732
    @dmitriy8732 4 місяці тому

    One thing that surprises me is that you present yourself as a group of scientists, but you don't have a 3500 lumen flashlight like the police use. Ultraviolet camera and so on. Where's your equipment guys? Why is it so dark in all your videos?

  • @jakeb8415
    @jakeb8415 Рік тому

    At 37:52 in the video you can see a what appears to be something standing up by a tree apologies if I’m mistaken, but it really looks like something.

  • @justincase6588
    @justincase6588 4 місяці тому

    Why ignore the bent trees to the right of the riverbank Standing thing place. Where you said it, 'dissappeared' right as you snapped fingers.
    But it's like you kept the Right side off camera for s reason. Maybe you'll come back to it. It appears as though it doesn't mesh with the narrative so it's chopped out of the footage. I don't know.

  • @aegontargaryen9322
    @aegontargaryen9322 4 місяці тому

    Didn’t see a thing . Eye shine could be anything as could the sounds . For all the times those men saw it there was nothing at all there