UNDISPUTED ON FS1 no question , and now taking character into effect now should be for current players . Retired players can't change what they did now its too late for them cause they're finished
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 So does Shannon not receive this email? But yes of course he needs to be in the Hall of Fame. It does suck from Cris and you can tell he's a little bit salty about people pushing for TO so hard when he had to wait. People did that for him but the thing is the majority of the time TO was on a team, he was the best receiver they had, and holds records on just about every team he played. Cris was great but he did get to benefit from a good QB and a number one wide out in Randy Moss
But was his character that bad?! No drug or alcohol offenses, no domestic violence charges or nothing like that, just a guy with a strong personality. Work ethic second to none. He deserves to be in.
Jason Brown he destroyed 3 different teams. Every team he was on half the people hated him or liked him. that causes division. he's public attacked coaches and things go so bad the eagles just fired him and sent him home. He's attacked other players and coaches on the 49ers and Dallas cowboys. if you watch skips arguement of why you he shouldn't be in it makes total sense. like chris carter said if the NFL is starting to use the locker room and outside things as reasons why a player should or shouldn't be in then Terrell Owens definitely doesn't deserve to be in.
Jason Brown if things get so bad that no matter how great you are that the team you're on literal fires you and thinks your attiude is effecting the team more than you're playing ability that should definitely be a knock on your resume. As a player sure he should be in but when it comes to character and holding yourself to a certain standard he disqualifies himself.
Writers shouldn't be allowed on baseball or football HOF voting. They're dumb. I'm tired of lowering the bar on levels of intelligence for people given a pass. Bayless is one of those people too.
JayTheRealest1 Yeah when you listen to retired players they sometimes have resentment. It is also laced with respect for how good their opposition was.
People that haven't played football decide who goes into hall of fame. People that have never touched a gun decide who we wage war with. Strange world.
Shannon is ....Chris not so much. He's one to talk with his "flawed" past smh I hate when we pick at one another but so quick to forget man because he's one in the same if not worst.
Real football fans know TO should be in the HOF, sure he had issues with organizations but I could have sworn the HOF was based off how a player plays on the field if I'm not mistaken and everyone knows TO was a beast on the field
Man I miss CC. So smart and well spoken. Just loved hearing his takes. I know he had issues behind the scenes with fox but we are missing what should be great takes week after week since he's been gone. This from a 1981 Chicago born and raised sports fan who watched this HOF destroy my team way 2 many times
TO you don't need the HOF to validate your accomplishments. You are a HOF in my book. He should get in before Ray Lewis, he doesn't have any bodies on his resume.
Please read my comments before making a comment. I was implying that the guy doesn't have any off the field baggage. He probably was a discretion for the team but he competed on Sunday. I've already said, the Ray Lewis in a joking manner.
@Master Illusionist's For Dictatorships and he also had 9 catches for 122 yards... with a torn ligament/broken leg and had to have a metal rod placed in his leg just to compete in a game that no one thought TO would play in.... MCNABB THREW 3 INTERCEPTIONS .... that's why they lost.... not on TO... if anyone snubbed him it was his own QB on the biggest stage
Ask yourself this, is the HOF just about numbers? What about "Wow" factor. I saw Chris Carter beat Joe Montana and Steve Young by himself once. He was scary, sneaky good. T.O was the "here he comes" dude. The "you can't stop him, try to contain him" guy. The HOF is a historical society. All the HOF organizations have the same problem: There's a backlog of greats that should be honored and the only reason not, is cause of time. Time erases everything, even memories. You want to see Drew Pearson crying cause he didn't get in? His heyday was 45 years ago. Who stands up for him? So back to the here and now, some guys are gonna have to wait to do right by the history of the game. To prove that the past has some kind of traction.
Select a group of 30-40 Pro Football Hall of Famers vote on who gets voted in the Hall of Fame. The media is subjective and have made people (specifically receivers) wait too long to rightfully get voted into the Hall it's ridiculous
whiteie 3 my point is not how long he had to wait .... but his character was more flawed then to.... so CC is not the person to talk about character keeping to out of the hof ....... his comment should have been. to deserve to be a hof before me
Lawrence Hampton he wasn't knocking to at all bru all he was saying is that they've changed the rules and that if they were going to do so then to put it in the by laws when cc got his hof these rules weren't implemented in know way was he saying you're a flawed candidate and I was a perfect candidate he explained it pretty clearly and even said that eventually to would get in he also stated that the hof has had problem with wr this whole time
whiteie 3 yes he did say TO was a flawed candidate... re watch the video..... also the rules CC and you are talking about is a unwritten rule....Shannon sharp explained that part in the video.... lastly Mel Blount said he should have been inducted.... that coming from Mel Blount.... who should know about hof receivers.... better than you and me.....oh by the way Curt Warner is not a hof before To....
Ok I agree with Shannon Sharp. TO should be in the HOF. And if they are not letting him in the HOF for his character then put it in the bylaws but hear me out on this. When Tom Brady and Bill Belichek retire don't you think they will get 1st ballot? Even though they are caught cheaters. Integrity is part of your character so if we are going off of that for TO the same needs to be applied to TB and BB. If not it's a double standard and we have a serious problem that needs to be addressed
Bernel Hall check the stats cris Carter was the second best receiver by the numbers when he retired. Others may have passed him but when he stopped playing only Jerry Rice had better numbers.
no chris carter was the much better WR over T.O ... T.O was the better athlete there a big difference T.O had brick hands too he dominated because he was freak of nature he wasn't on carters level as a WR
Chris was my favorite growing up,...... Just couldnt cheer so loud since I was suppose to be a 49er/Raider faithful born n raised in the bay.... I wore a J. Rice jersey but, I always kept up w/ C Carter's weekly stats..... Him, M. Irvin, J. Rice, T.O then Moss.... Greatest WR ive ever witnessed.....
lmao. if Dan Fouts is in the HOF, cmon man. put T.O in there. Dan Fouts career numbers - 254 passing tds. 242 ints..... cmon man, put T.O in the HOF, it's a joke
7718julian Stop. T.O. is a HOF but for what Fouts did in that era was amazing. Plus they're right, QBs that are clearly HOF worthy generally get in on first or at worst second ballot. Now, Randy Moss better be that 6th First Ballot receiver!
Different era he played when defense were allowed to hit and many others rules that have softened the game up for the offense have been implemented, also 6 years almost were 14 game seasons and and also the ball has been changed in steps from the 50's onward to better increase the ability to pass thats every decade clearly you don't understand era much less simple logic...none of the bozos now deserve to be in the HOF damns near they are pathetic
Being outspoken is one thing but bashing your organization and bosses is a first class ticket out the door in any orginaztion. Go be outspoken to your bosses and colleagues as disrespectful as this man and see how long before security is escorting you out the gate to the employee parking lot. But this shouldn’t impact him being in the HOF period
Jerry Rice and Steve Largent are the only wide recievers since the Super Bowl era to get in the HOF on the 1st ballot. So its not the biggest injustice in the world that Owens didn't get in.
TO is the third best WR EVER. It's asinine he's not in the HoF. 1. Jerry Rice 2. Randy Moss 3. TO 4. Calvin Johnson 5. Micheal Irvin/Marvin Harrison/Cris Carter
RG3 #SMOKINGTHAT3#10hunnit#DAWGPOUND #AFCnorthbest I like how the no life troll that try's to act like he's another man on the internet has the nerve to call some one else a "kid" lmfaoo
Captain Marvel Kevin Green third in sacks just finally got in after like 6 years. Ken Riley is tied for 5th ALL TIME in interceptions with Charles Woodson at 65 int and only made ONE all pro team (his last season) of a 15 year career
Eye test? Maybe you need your eyes checked T.O was bigger and faster than cross carter. He is way more talented. Numbers don't lie. Calvin Johnson is better than cris carter too
If T.O. Isn't a first ballot, Neither is Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Adrian Peterson, LaDainian Tomlinson, Barry Sanders and many other First Ballots. In fact, ALL First Ballots don't deserve to be First Ballots if T.O. isn't a FBHOFer.
Chris Carter, a former coke user tells TO that he's a flawed candidate. Lmao. TO, no drugs, no jail, no Domestic violence cases. But just an outspoken player. I hate our society today! Lawrence Taylor(flawed), Charles Hayley(flawed), Chris Carter(flawed). I mean there are records of these guys. Smh, sad...
This was a great video to watch. Shannon is my fav to watch these days, i can see where hes coming from every time it seems and he explains everything for anyone to understand. I dont feel like an idiot when he speaks. Good stuff here. :-)
Cris Carter naming other players that had to wait to get into the HOF doesn’t make it right that TO had to wait or others had to wait. In fact, he’s giving HOF voters a pass instead of calling them to the carpet. Additionally, I’m sure his drug use might’ve been the reason he had to wait.
Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls with the Oakland Raiders and is not in the HOF. He is the only multiple SB winning QB (eligible) to not be in the HOF.
teejay Trujillo Plunkett was talented obviously as he went #1 overall but his career was never even close to HOF worthy. Granted until he got to the Raiders he played on some bad teams but even with the Raiders he only had 2 or 3 okay seasons even for that era. Now Plunkett in the playoffs played like HOF QB, his two SB games on per game basis is only clearly behind Montana, Bradshaw and Starr in how great and dominant he was in those games and up there with Kurt Warner, Aikman and Brady or even better than those three. It also helps he has an 8-2 postseason record.
T.O. ended up saying the same thing about Randy Moss I think it's hilarious.. I'm proud of the receivers busting the chops of these younger guys thinking they don't have to wait. It shows the wonderful competitors they all are what would the NFL be without receivers
It takes a special set of balls for Cris Carter to put himself in the conversation with T.O. as equally deserving. I mean let's be honest what can't you see with the eye test stats aside? There's only three people in the discussion truly of GOAT at WR and it's Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Terrell Owens. The Cris Carter's and Marvin Harrison's need not be mentioned in the same breath.
Because,IMO, he was better than Sharpe and Carter and widely considered the 2nd best wide receiver ever and plus many of the players, who were on the ballot and going in before him, are not better than T.O.
So what ? He did not win any rings what makes him first ballot ? Randy Moss is up soon another wr with no rings so TO won't make it next year as well. TO wasn't even in the all decade first team unlike sharpe and cc and randy moss
Of course,Sharpe wasn't on his level,because he was a tight end,his main job was to block,even though he was a good receiving tight end. With that said,I agree with you about TO being better than Cris Carter...
Comparing TO to CC is foolish... CC was a coke head.. TO one of the most straight edge player in the sport, a true example of how someone should work in the NFL (not behave). If TO and CC were in the same era, CC would live and die in TO's shadow
I know T.O wants the Hall....and nothing changes the fact that he is HOF worthy....but .....hear me out..... wouldn't it be smooth if when he got voted in, he turned it down?
sorry but personality and being a cancer is 2 different things .. also being a 6-3 235 pound baby your whole career doesn't count as personality either
R P jus because there not shouting and trying to speak over one another doesn't mean there BORING .. there having a solid conversation and respecting each other's opinion while the speak there's
The writers didn’t support the bylaws, even Shannon Sharp said T.O. is a first rounder. When character flaws are written in the bylaws, then it will take more then stats to get in. Even a NFL poll was taken and T.O. was accepted a 1st ballot. Terrell is on point about the bylaws. Chris Carter is getting paid well, he will follow “their ways”. Then make character flaws “OFFICIAL” in the HOF bylaws. It’s not “OFFICIAL” yet, the NFL needs to follow the rules they engage.
Now come on now there are hall of famers in the hall right now that had off the field issues. If that's the case randy Moss is not suppose to be in there yet. He said he was going to play when he wanted to. But they loved him so much on ESPN all of that got over looked. I'm basketball Tracy mcgrady wasn't suppose to get in yet but he was Loved like randy Moss so they made it happen for him. So don't yal try to make it seem like they so strict on the criteria because like Shannon said if they don't want you to get in there they will definitely make a case against you
Chris carter.... you didn't get in because we know how prejudice they still were. Doesn't make it right for you to use yourself as a comparison. especially because you are not a Terrell Owens. he was way better than you ever were on any day. it's a preformances award. not a sportsmanship awards. TO deserves to be in the hall anyway. This is pretty ridiculous
I think only one local media member that covers each team should get a vote along with one vote per team owner and 32 hall of famers should get a vote as well so its even across the board.
bruh y'all buggin if that's the case we need to look up all 300+ hofs teams and past bs. if not that thought process is dumb TO better than largent Carter and any otha hof wr not named rice.
Cris Carter stop making everything all about you. Your a flawed candidate so you have no right or room to talk about T.O. character. Dude your Character Sucked in PHI and MN. You came out of retirement because you knew T.O was on your tail in catches. The question wasn't about you it was about this man who has earned the right to be in the HOF continues to get looked over. Let's see how quick Donovan McNabb get in and his character is FLAWED as well. So Cris Carter get off your soap box and stop the BS. The process needs to be changed and that sir you never answered that question.
I always say it should be the members of the Hall of Fame who should vote on the upcoming Hall of Fame class or something cause the Media can hold personal grudges towards a player..
I can see why Terrell isn’t a fan of Chris Carter when Carter keeps bringing up character like Owens is a criminal if you’re going to base it on there then why is O.J. Simpson still in the Hall of Fame and it has nothing to do with the situation in the 90s but more about what happened in Vegas
He retired with the most catches, rec. yards and rec TD's in history. And he did with Jim Zorn and Dave Krieg throwing him the ball. There was ZERO argument for keeping Largent out.
Man look T.O was better than Cris Carter . He should of been a first ballot no questions. It's about who get in over you alot of times and the people who got in over T.O shouldn't of. If character so important a bad player with great character should get in if a great player with so called bad character can't.
Chris Carter has a lot of nerve saying T.O. was flawed he was the one that was flawed, it Chris Carter that was on drugs it was the Chris Carter getting high traded by Buddy Ryan so that he can save his career. That's why he has a problem with you he can't believe you wouldn't speak up for him like buddy Ryan's spoke up for you.
I'm a European (I know you gonna destroy me for this xD) and I love american football. I love it so much, that sometimes I think I love it more than the 'Beautiful game' - my football. But I don't get these HoF discussions - is it really that important? I know, it is prestige and all..but if people respected you during and after you finished your career, and also said it many times, and you feel happy with your accomplishments, isn't that enough? David Beckham doesn't need HoF, he knows that during his prime, he was one of the best at his position. Cruyff didn't need one, Maradona didn't ask for one..
PGKING911 And that's what's confusing about the whole wide receiver voting.I told a friend TO wouldn't be a first ballot hall of famer.Art Monk retired as the leagues all time leader in catches but had to wait forever.Cris Carter has arguably the greatest hands in league history and finished his career top 3 all time in catches and touchdowns.Why are people shocked TO wasn't a first ballot hall of famer is beyond my comprehension.
PGKING911 art monk is da man n all but t.o was way better yah trippin I can name wide receivers in art monk time dat was jus like him but t.o was one of his kind
Chris carter got a lot of nerve he was an alcoholic that almost had to end his career bc of it are they really talking about TO pep talking himself and doing dances as “bad character”?
Chris you have the job already. You don't need to try so hard! Bye the way T.O. was better than Chris, Steve larget Lance alworth & Raymond berry. Knock it off really? those the only First ballot and jerry Rice. Really and its not about race? Stevie Wonder could see this. but its not changing you have a lot of a- holes that are in.
Why are we judging people now only God can do that. you're stats on the field is you're stats on the field. numbers don't lie. why do you have to be a perfect angel to get in the hall of fame its ridiculous. Pete rose has the most hits in baseball and he's not in the hall of fame it's absurd. no steroids use he gambled.
T.O. has less flaws as a man than some who have been inducted--antics aside. His abilities as a player demonstrated not only his potential but his playmanship. He got the job done!!! The dude earned his place.
To this day, T.O. still holds the records he held when he was playing! What’s the excuse? The Pro Football HOF is just that, not the Pro Football off the field of fame!
If T.O was a quarterback and tore into a receiver for running the wrong route it would be great leadership but if a wide receiver tear into a quarterback for constantly missing a open receiver he a cancer to the team.
Really Chris Carter?! You are going to talk about HIS character and agree that HE should have to wait after you were wrongly snubbed for 6 years when they judged you on something other than your performance on the field?! You of all people should know better. Unbelievable. It is a joke that T.O. is not in the Hall of Fame. Your character should be a factor if it is close but it's not close, he is a top 3 receiver of all time. Period.
Chris kept it 💯. I agree with them robbing TO but he made a great point in what job do you know where they don’t consider your conduct other than your stats
I've been an official voting member of the NFL Hall of Fame for 13 years. I voted for Mr. Owens and my decision was based on his on the field production not his conduct in the locker room.
For those saying off the field antics shouldn't matter, just remember that its the National Football LEAGUE hall of fame, not National Football GAME hall of fame. The National Football LEAGUE has codes of conduct and rules for off the field. Violations of these National Football LEAGUE codes and rules should absolutely matter to the committee of the National Football LEAGUE hall of fame. End of discussion.
TO is correct , he not does need validation from reporters, he has it from real football fans , his numbers speak for him , he is all time great and deserved to go the very fist time period
TO should be in the HOF, he showed passion, was selfish at times and called others out, but winners do that, he said it how it is. Why judge the man on his character when everybody else is judged on how they played the game.
Should TO be in the HOF?
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UNDISPUTED ON FS1 absolutely... but I think he will eventually get in
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 no question , and now taking character into effect now should be for current players . Retired players can't change what they did now its too late for them cause they're finished
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 So does Shannon not receive this email? But yes of course he needs to be in the Hall of Fame. It does suck from Cris and you can tell he's a little bit salty about people pushing for TO so hard when he had to wait. People did that for him but the thing is the majority of the time TO was on a team, he was the best receiver they had, and holds records on just about every team he played. Cris was great but he did get to benefit from a good QB and a number one wide out in Randy Moss
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But was his character that bad?! No drug or alcohol offenses, no domestic violence charges or nothing like that, just a guy with a strong personality. Work ethic second to none. He deserves to be in.
Jason Brown They talking bout off-field issues like T.O was causing those kind of problems.
Jason Brown he destroyed 3 different teams. Every team he was on half the people hated him or liked him. that causes division. he's public attacked coaches and things go so bad the eagles just fired him and sent him home. He's attacked other players and coaches on the 49ers and Dallas cowboys. if you watch skips arguement of why you he shouldn't be in it makes total sense. like chris carter said if the NFL is starting to use the locker room and outside things as reasons why a player should or shouldn't be in then Terrell Owens definitely doesn't deserve to be in.
Jason Brown if things get so bad that no matter how great you are that the team you're on literal fires you and thinks your attiude is effecting the team more than you're playing ability that should definitely be a knock on your resume. As a player sure he should be in but when it comes to character and holding yourself to a certain standard he disqualifies himself.
brett favre destoryed teams. he got in fine. brett favre had off field issues everywhere he went. they didnt penalize him for that
Jason Brown 100
Sharpe is right. Only HOF players should be able to vote their colleagues in. Writers have no place in this process.
Writers shouldn't be allowed on baseball or football HOF voting. They're dumb. I'm tired of lowering the bar on levels of intelligence for people given a pass. Bayless is one of those people too.
Therealdeal84 so u let your kids dictate what goes on in your house because they live there...lol
Sharpe is a rqacist buffoon TO should be in prison not the HOF
john rockerman you're an idiot
06blah .
Yes, the process is flawed. The media should not decide HOF for any sport.
100% FACTS. The media is full of biased individuals, just look at the articles that some of them write.
JayTheRealest1 Yeah when you listen to retired players they sometimes have resentment. It is also laced with respect for how good their opposition was.
JayTheRealest1 *write*
Former players?? They would just vote in their buddies, come on. Media at least are more objective
Players would keep themselves in check, no one would be able to get someone pass the whole group that doesn't deserve to be in.
People that haven't played football decide who goes into hall of fame. People that have never touched a gun decide who we wage war with. Strange world.
Preach
@Carl The One Noone should have the right to ORDER another person to die for them
Sheesh preach brotha
Yep and they talk with so much passion and envy as if they could understand. That baffles me
Shannon and Chris are real ones for doing this for T.O.
LycanVonWolf if they did that they would have to take people out of the hall of fame.
Shannon is ....Chris not so much. He's one to talk with his "flawed" past smh I hate when we pick at one another but so quick to forget man because he's one in the same if not worst.
TO is statistically better than all those receivers except Jerry! He should have been first ballot!
A lot of appreciation T.O showed for that. Completely disrespected Cris Carter and Irvin who both stood up for him
@@dayninmichael9688 but he waited 6 years so T.O can waited his turn
Real football fans know TO should be in the HOF, sure he had issues with organizations but I could have sworn the HOF was based off how a player plays on the field if I'm not mistaken and everyone knows TO was a beast on the field
Exactly T.O. should have been a first ballot
Darren sharper needs to be in then
The insane can’t run the asylum. 😳
Man I miss CC. So smart and well spoken. Just loved hearing his takes. I know he had issues behind the scenes with fox but we are missing what should be great takes week after week since he's been gone. This from a 1981 Chicago born and raised sports fan who watched this HOF destroy my team way 2 many times
I agree 100% he was spot on on this take. I likee him on Undisputed it kept Shannon in check when need be.
Stop it carter was a imbecile
he wasn't that great lol
I really wish him and his team put together a podcast for him. I’m tuning in fasho
TO you don't need the HOF to validate your accomplishments. You are a HOF in my book. He should get in before Ray Lewis, he doesn't have any bodies on his resume.
Lorenzo Williams Next year is Rays first. He's going in first ballot too
Lorenzo Williams don't forget about Marvin Harrison he smoked someone too
Please read my comments before making a comment. I was implying that the guy doesn't have any off the field baggage. He probably was a discretion for the team but he competed on Sunday. I've already said, the Ray Lewis in a joking manner.
the hof guys must get another check
the Pro Football Hall Of Fame is a JOKE if T.O. doesn't get in.
Anthony Clark They're a joke for passing on him twice already.
The HOF been a joke my man..
chris morale Exactly. A bunch of nonplayers voting on what players get in. Makes no sense.
It would be a joke if they put in a player that no team would want on their roster. That would be an insult to all the other players in the HoF.
HarpoSpoke 6 teams wanted him to play for them including a HOF qb or 2
Chris Carter, is a piece of work. Gate keeper at its finest. Difference between Chris and T.O. Superbowl appearance homeboy.
Their not even close
@Master Illusionist's For Dictatorships and he also had 9 catches for 122 yards... with a torn ligament/broken leg and had to have a metal rod placed in his leg just to compete in a game that no one thought TO would play in.... MCNABB THREW 3 INTERCEPTIONS .... that's why they lost.... not on TO... if anyone snubbed him it was his own QB on the biggest stage
Ask yourself this, is the HOF just about numbers? What about "Wow" factor. I saw Chris Carter beat Joe Montana and Steve Young by himself once. He was scary, sneaky good. T.O was the "here he comes" dude. The "you can't stop him, try to contain him" guy. The HOF is a historical society. All the HOF organizations have the same problem: There's a backlog of greats that should be honored and the only reason not, is cause of time. Time erases everything, even memories. You want to see Drew Pearson crying cause he didn't get in? His heyday was 45 years ago. Who stands up for him? So back to the here and now, some guys are gonna have to wait to do right by the history of the game. To prove that the past has some kind of traction.
Select a group of 30-40 Pro Football Hall of Famers vote on who gets voted in the Hall of Fame. The media is subjective and have made people (specifically receivers) wait too long to rightfully get voted into the Hall it's ridiculous
They're going to find out how hard it really is when they figure out who to leave out....
SportsInsider you mean to say "subjective" but yea I get your point. who better to vote someone in the HOF that hall of famers
+jamesbriggstown Idiot look at his number
Cris Carter had a drug problem in the locker room.... character and conduct. cc you was a flawed person.......
Lawrence Hampton he said he waited 6 years and this was before the supposed rule change
whiteie 3 my point is not how long he had to wait .... but his character was more flawed then to.... so CC is not the person to talk about character keeping to out of the hof ....... his comment should have been. to deserve to be a hof before me
Lawrence Hampton He's still flawed, remember when he told the rookies to get a fall guy? He was wearing his gold jacket when he did it too.
Lawrence Hampton he wasn't knocking to at all bru all he was saying is that they've changed the rules and that if they were going to do so then to put it in the by laws when cc got his hof these rules weren't implemented in know way was he saying you're a flawed candidate and I was a perfect candidate he explained it pretty clearly and even said that eventually to would get in he also stated that the hof has had problem with wr this whole time
whiteie 3 yes he did say TO was a flawed candidate... re watch the video..... also the rules CC and you are talking about is a unwritten rule....Shannon sharp explained that part in the video.... lastly Mel Blount said he should have been inducted.... that coming from Mel Blount.... who should know about hof receivers.... better than you and me.....oh by the way Curt Warner is not a hof before To....
I love how cris talks like he was a saint lmaoo. He had far more issues then T.o ever had. For him to even open his mouth is on this is ridiculous.
Exactly !!
Ok I agree with Shannon Sharp. TO should be in the HOF. And if they are not letting him in the HOF for his character then put it in the bylaws but hear me out on this. When Tom Brady and Bill Belichek retire don't you think they will get 1st ballot? Even though they are caught cheaters. Integrity is part of your character so if we are going off of that for TO the same needs to be applied to TB and BB. If not it's a double standard and we have a serious problem that needs to be addressed
Super Facts (much better)
Original Recipe but not Alternative facts!
Joseph T I meant stupid facts in a good way but yes it's not alternative facts lol
Fr, I bet there are many first ballot that have done worse character wise than TO
No proof that Brady cheated. So.
I swear if Randy Moss doesn't make if next year, I'm going to be sick.
BrandonDetroitfan Michaels If Randy isn't first ballot then they need to start releasing the voters ballots so we can see who voted for who.
Rick Scorsese facts then we can verify the biased voters who try to block WR getting inducted
Daz Please explain why not
Daz haha, troooolllll.
Moss probably won't make it 1st ballot because of F'd up politics in the NFL HOF. If Moss and Owens played in the NBA, they'd make it 1st ballot
I liked Cris Carter as a player but he is NO WHERE near the talent of a Terrell Owens. He and Skip should not have used that example.
Bernel Hall check the stats cris Carter was the second best receiver by the numbers when he retired. Others may have passed him but when he stopped playing only Jerry Rice had better numbers.
No doubt but that was before TO's time. TO and Moss raised the bar.
no chris carter was the much better WR over T.O ... T.O was the better athlete there a big difference T.O had brick hands too he dominated because he was freak of nature he wasn't on carters level as a WR
I can't agree but it's all good.
T.O had brick hands and his stat still look better than CC's. You just proved his point
Chris was my favorite growing up,...... Just couldnt cheer so loud since I was suppose to be a 49er/Raider faithful born n raised in the bay.... I wore a J. Rice jersey but, I always kept up w/ C Carter's weekly stats..... Him, M. Irvin, J. Rice, T.O then Moss.... Greatest WR ive ever witnessed.....
Who is Cris Carter 2 talk about somebody else's character?
Man people can change
So t.o cant?
Hypocrite
lmao. if Dan Fouts is in the HOF, cmon man. put T.O in there.
Dan Fouts career numbers - 254 passing tds. 242 ints..... cmon man, put T.O in the HOF, it's a joke
7718julian Stop. T.O. is a HOF but for what Fouts did in that era was amazing. Plus they're right, QBs that are clearly HOF worthy generally get in on first or at worst second ballot. Now, Randy Moss better be that 6th First Ballot receiver!
Different era he played when defense were allowed to hit and many others rules that have softened the game up for the offense have been implemented, also 6 years almost were 14 game seasons and and also the ball has been changed in steps from the 50's onward to better increase the ability to pass thats every decade clearly you don't understand era much less simple logic...none of the bozos now deserve to be in the HOF damns near they are pathetic
7718julian straight trash
"I'll never be on your show again" -goes on his show again
I came here to see if there were new comments lol.
@@zechariahcameron3645 same
nothing was wrong with TOs character character he was outspoken so what
Justin Williams he destroy every team he was on....because he was "out spoken" so THATS WHAT
Justin Williams THANK YOU
If crying about not getting the ball and throwing the teammates is considered outspoken then sure.
Being outspoken is one thing but bashing your organization and bosses is a first class ticket out the door in any orginaztion. Go be outspoken to your bosses and colleagues as disrespectful as this man and see how long before security is escorting you out the gate to the employee parking lot. But this shouldn’t impact him being in the HOF period
Michael Irvin had locker room issue's as well as multiple run ins with the law.
Why was CC tryna make it seem like he was the same caliber of player as TO like cmon man u weren’t half the player he was u shoulda waited not him!!!
Jerry Rice and Steve Largent are the only wide recievers since the Super Bowl era to get in the HOF on the 1st ballot. So its not the biggest injustice in the world that Owens didn't get in.
Lil Wade Boggs Randy better get in first ballot as well
Lil Wade Boggs Terrell Owens vs Steve Largeant lol
Owens was better than Largent
James Strickland no he wasn't. largent is the best route runner in history and he could catch anything.
Dex Starr. look at the stats
TO is the third best WR EVER. It's asinine he's not in the HoF.
1. Jerry Rice
2. Randy Moss
3. TO
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Micheal Irvin/Marvin Harrison/Cris Carter
Tj Rod u forgot fitz
pedro perez yeah fitz is number 3 imo .. He's actually a better WR than moss too but moss was more dominant in his prime so I'll let it slip .
Fitz isn't as good as Moss.
Backdrop Kid hes top 5 or 4 even rice moss to/ fitz
RG3 #SMOKINGTHAT3#10hunnit#DAWGPOUND #AFCnorthbest I like how the no life troll that try's to act like he's another man on the internet has the nerve to call some one else a "kid" lmfaoo
If you are top 5 at your respective position, there's no excuse on why (s)he should not get in the HOF in ANY sport!
Captain Marvel Kevin Green third in sacks just finally got in after like 6 years. Ken Riley is tied for 5th ALL TIME in interceptions with Charles Woodson at 65 int and only made ONE all pro team (his last season) of a 15 year career
Watching these legends sitting together discussing games they devoted their lives to is amazing.
T.O is way better than Cris Carter.
Ramon Hernandez
lp
The GOAT show me stats that prove cris carter is better than Owens
Eye test? Maybe you need your eyes checked T.O was bigger and faster than cross carter. He is way more talented. Numbers don't lie. Calvin Johnson is better than cris carter too
The GOAT sounds like a opinion not a fact
Ramon not even close, CC was a team player and TO was a great receiver but he ruined 3 team's,his mouth and attitude was a cancer
If T.O. Isn't a first ballot, Neither is Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Adrian Peterson, LaDainian Tomlinson, Barry Sanders and many other First Ballots. In fact, ALL First Ballots don't deserve to be First Ballots if T.O. isn't a FBHOFer.
Chris Carter, a former coke user tells TO that he's a flawed candidate. Lmao. TO, no drugs, no jail, no Domestic violence cases. But just an outspoken player. I hate our society today! Lawrence Taylor(flawed), Charles Hayley(flawed), Chris Carter(flawed). I mean there are records of these guys. Smh, sad...
This was a great video to watch. Shannon is my fav to watch these days, i can see where hes coming from every time it seems and he explains everything for anyone to understand. I dont feel like an idiot when he speaks. Good stuff here. :-)
Look how long it took Art Monk, and that dude was pure as the driven snow.
Cris Carter naming other players that had to wait to get into the HOF doesn’t make it right that TO had to wait or others had to wait. In fact, he’s giving HOF voters a pass instead of calling them to the carpet. Additionally, I’m sure his drug use might’ve been the reason he had to wait.
Cris Carter had me, when he tried to compare his stats to T.O...Bitchhhh pleaseee lol
CarmeloAnthony lol and? Of course he is! 2 of the 3 major (top) categories in the position. Makes sense. Should they compare Super Bowl rings instead?
Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls with the Oakland Raiders and is not in the HOF. He is the only multiple SB winning QB (eligible) to not be in the HOF.
teejay Trujillo Plunkett was talented obviously as he went #1 overall but his career was never even close to HOF worthy. Granted until he got to the Raiders he played on some bad teams but even with the Raiders he only had 2 or 3 okay seasons even for that era. Now Plunkett in the playoffs played like HOF QB, his two SB games on per game basis is only clearly behind Montana, Bradshaw and Starr in how great and dominant he was in those games and up there with Kurt Warner, Aikman and Brady or even better than those three. It also helps he has an 8-2 postseason record.
Aren't there more than a few snubs for the Hall due to character flaws? TO is not the first.
T.O. ended up saying the same thing about Randy Moss I think it's hilarious.. I'm proud of the receivers busting the chops of these younger guys thinking they don't have to wait. It shows the wonderful competitors they all are what would the NFL be without receivers
It takes a special set of balls for Cris Carter to put himself in the conversation with T.O. as equally deserving. I mean let's be honest what can't you see with the eye test stats aside? There's only three people in the discussion truly of GOAT at WR and it's Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Terrell Owens. The Cris Carter's and Marvin Harrison's need not be mentioned in the same breath.
And that’s a fact jack
The media's debate on T.O's H.O.F snub exposed the NFL H.O.F
Whats his urgency to be in the HOF ? If Sharpe and Carter waited for so many years why can't he wait.
JAM did you even watch football when TO was around?
Because,IMO, he was better than Sharpe and Carter and widely considered the 2nd best wide receiver ever and plus many of the players, who were on the ballot and going in before him, are not better than T.O.
JAM They were not on his level.
So what ? He did not win any rings what makes him first ballot ? Randy Moss is up soon another wr with no rings so TO won't make it next year as well. TO wasn't even in the all decade first team unlike sharpe and cc and randy moss
Of course,Sharpe wasn't on his level,because he was a tight end,his main job was to block,even though he was a good receiving tight end.
With that said,I agree with you about TO being better than Cris Carter...
@3:33, SS had a GOOD point! This segment was very interesting
Comparing TO to CC is foolish... CC was a coke head.. TO one of the most straight edge player in the sport, a true example of how someone should work in the NFL (not behave). If TO and CC were in the same era, CC would live and die in TO's shadow
I always liked Cris Carter 💪💯
One of a popular HOF need to stand up for TO and burn they jacket cause it's a bs process man and standing for bs is the wrong way to do it
I wouldnt go that far. TO wouldnt burn his jacket for nobody.
Tony Romo should hold a press conference and shed a few tears while saying "That was my WR"
OJ Simpson should stand up for T.O.
Mnd s 😂😂😂😂
I know T.O wants the Hall....and nothing changes the fact that he is HOF worthy....but .....hear me out..... wouldn't it be smooth if when he got voted in, he turned it down?
Thing about Skip he likes these boring people with NO personality.
sorry but personality and being a cancer is 2 different things .. also being a 6-3 235 pound baby your whole career doesn't count as personality either
R P jus because there not shouting and trying to speak over one another doesn't mean there BORING .. there having a solid conversation and respecting each other's opinion while the speak there's
People sleep on that T.O was on HALF a LEG and Bill Belichick couldn't stop him 😯
art monk took a while to get in and he was all time leading receiver at the time
The writers didn’t support the bylaws, even Shannon Sharp said T.O. is a first rounder. When character flaws are written in the bylaws, then it will take more then stats to get in. Even a NFL poll was taken and T.O. was accepted a 1st ballot. Terrell is on point about the bylaws. Chris Carter is getting paid well, he will follow “their ways”.
Then make character flaws “OFFICIAL” in the HOF bylaws. It’s not “OFFICIAL” yet, the NFL needs to follow the rules they engage.
If character is a standard then Bret Favre shouldn't be in the HOF. He had more off the field baggage than TO.
Now come on now there are hall of famers in the hall right now that had off the field issues. If that's the case randy Moss is not suppose to be in there yet. He said he was going to play when he wanted to. But they loved him so much on ESPN all of that got over looked. I'm basketball Tracy mcgrady wasn't suppose to get in yet but he was Loved like randy Moss so they made it happen for him. So don't yal try to make it seem like they so strict on the criteria because like Shannon said if they don't want you to get in there they will definitely make a case against you
Chris carter.... you didn't get in because we know how prejudice they still were. Doesn't make it right for you to use yourself as a comparison. especially because you are not a Terrell Owens. he was way better than you ever were on any day. it's a preformances award. not a sportsmanship awards. TO deserves to be in the hall anyway. This is pretty ridiculous
Cris Carter has the best hands in football history and thats a fact.
@@moejr.4093 nah. Ocho got better hands and he aint in the hall lol not to mention moss 👀
I think only one local media member that covers each team should get a vote along with one vote per team owner and 32 hall of famers should get a vote as well so its even across the board.
bruh y'all buggin if that's the case we need to look up all 300+ hofs teams and past bs. if not that thought process is dumb TO better than largent Carter and any otha hof wr not named rice.
Just ENT. no he wasn't. Largent ran circles around babies like to
Lolol Largent wasn't a whinner like these male version of the view,
Mr Cris Carter is spot on!! Made many great WR wait even with great character...perfect example Tim Brown
Cris Carter stop making everything all about you. Your a flawed candidate so you have no right or room to talk about T.O. character. Dude your Character Sucked in PHI and MN. You came out of retirement because you knew T.O was on your tail in catches. The question wasn't about you it was about this man who has earned the right to be in the HOF continues to get looked over. Let's see how quick Donovan McNabb get in and his character is FLAWED as well. So Cris Carter get off your soap box and stop the BS. The process needs to be changed and that sir you never answered that question.
Regardless of what he did off the field. He's the greatest YAC wide receiver of all time.
TO is getting blackballed by the hall of fame committee
RIP Chris Carter's Fox career
I always say it should be the members of the Hall of Fame who should vote on the upcoming Hall of Fame class or something cause the Media can hold personal grudges towards a player..
I can see why Terrell isn’t a fan of Chris Carter when Carter keeps bringing up character like Owens is a criminal if you’re going to base it on there then why is O.J. Simpson still in the Hall of Fame and it has nothing to do with the situation in the 90s but more about what happened in Vegas
Randy Moss is the GOAT.
stinkbandit I play when I want to play. Sorry man rice the GOAT not Moss.
stinkbandit Look at Moss numbers next to Rice, look at his numbers his last few years. He couldn't have made it 20 years. Rice is the 🐐
stinkbandit Moss is the best
stinkbandit nope largent is
Damn! Shannon Sharpe had his question answered real fast... lmao
Cris carter is no where near the wr that TO was.
Samir R really? Lol .Go look at his stats & then come back to re edit your comments. Numbers don't lie
Of all the great WRs to play in the NFL, Steve Largent has no business being on the short list of WRs who were 1st-ballot HOF'rs.
He retired with the most catches, rec. yards and rec TD's in history. And he did with Jim Zorn and Dave Krieg throwing him the ball. There was ZERO argument for keeping Largent out.
Cornell Cannon Largent is easily a top 10 receiver of all time and led in every major category when he retired
Lol carters a joke... he was never the best at his position at any point during his career...
Man look T.O was better than Cris Carter . He should of been a first ballot no questions. It's about who get in over you alot of times and the people who got in over T.O shouldn't of. If character so important a bad player with great character should get in if a great player with so called bad character can't.
Chris Carter has a lot of nerve saying T.O. was flawed he was the one that was flawed, it Chris Carter that was on drugs it was the Chris Carter getting high traded by Buddy Ryan so that he can save his career. That's why he has a problem with you he can't believe you wouldn't speak up for him like buddy Ryan's spoke up for you.
I'm a European (I know you gonna destroy me for this xD) and I love american football. I love it so much, that sometimes I think I love it more than the 'Beautiful game' - my football. But I don't get these HoF discussions - is it really that important? I know, it is prestige and all..but if people respected you during and after you finished your career, and also said it many times, and you feel happy with your accomplishments, isn't that enough? David Beckham doesn't need HoF, he knows that during his prime, he was one of the best at his position. Cruyff didn't need one, Maradona didn't ask for one..
Art Monk waited 20 years , where was his support ??
PGKING911 And that's what's confusing about the whole wide receiver voting.I told a friend TO wouldn't be a first ballot hall of famer.Art Monk retired as the leagues all time leader in catches but had to wait forever.Cris Carter has arguably the greatest hands in league history and finished his career top 3 all time in catches and touchdowns.Why are people shocked TO wasn't a first ballot hall of famer is beyond my comprehension.
Monk was a wife beating crackhead.
PGKING911 art monk is da man n all but t.o was way better yah trippin I can name wide receivers in art monk time dat was jus like him but t.o was one of his kind
Chris carter got a lot of nerve he was an alcoholic that almost had to end his career bc of it are they really talking about TO pep talking himself and doing dances as “bad character”?
Chris you have the job already. You don't need to try so hard! Bye the way T.O. was better than Chris, Steve larget Lance alworth & Raymond berry. Knock it off really? those the only First ballot and jerry Rice. Really and its not about race? Stevie Wonder could see this. but its not changing you have a lot of a- holes that are in.
Richard Soto largent was far superior
Cris Carter....dropping real knowledge! See how Shannon asked the question "who's #2 and gotta wait"? CC was like...uggghhh me bruh!!!! LMAO
Because CC you were a coke addict
that girl is beautiful...
What's her name
Joy Taylor
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Why are we judging people now only God can do that. you're stats on the field is you're stats on the field. numbers don't lie. why do you have to be a perfect angel to get in the hall of fame its ridiculous. Pete rose has the most hits in baseball and he's not in the hall of fame it's absurd. no steroids use he gambled.
Exactly you beat me too it bro!
T.O. has less flaws as a man than some who have been inducted--antics aside. His abilities as a player demonstrated not only his potential but his playmanship. He got the job done!!! The dude earned his place.
Chris Carter is so annoying I can’t stand him
To this day, T.O. still holds the records he held when he was playing! What’s the excuse? The Pro Football HOF is just that, not the Pro Football off the field of fame!
cris carter annoying
It shows the value of being a good teammate. If you create distractions or are divisive in the locker room, then you hurt the team.
If T.O was a quarterback and tore into a receiver for running the wrong route it would be great leadership but if a wide receiver tear into a quarterback for constantly missing a open receiver he a cancer to the team.
JOY 👀🔥
T.O. You should listen to this Hall of Fame Receiver Mr. Carter!!! And tell all young kids Character MATTERS!!!!
This was great guys.
Really Chris Carter?! You are going to talk about HIS character and agree that HE should have to wait after you were wrongly snubbed for 6 years when they judged you on something other than your performance on the field?! You of all people should know better. Unbelievable. It is a joke that T.O. is not in the Hall of Fame. Your character should be a factor if it is close but it's not close, he is a top 3 receiver of all time. Period.
Am I the only one who loves to hear what cc and shannon are sayin? I mean they are in the HOF, so I have to listen what they are sayin. #Legends
t.o didnt have a drug problem tho cris he wasn't sniffin coke every other day
T O is a hall of fame wide out hands down no question look at the numbers and the tap
I miss cris
Chris kept it 💯. I agree with them robbing TO but he made a great point in what job do you know where they don’t consider your conduct other than your stats
Cris Carter is the most underrated receiver of all time
Charles Haley had to wait with 5 SB rings.
I've been an official voting member of the NFL Hall of Fame for 13 years. I voted for Mr. Owens and my decision was based on his on the field production not his conduct in the locker room.
I just looked up some of those wide receivers stats that Cris Carter named. I compared them to Ocho and people think he’s not a hall of famer???????
For those saying off the field antics shouldn't matter, just remember that its the National Football LEAGUE hall of fame, not National Football GAME hall of fame. The National Football LEAGUE has codes of conduct and rules for off the field. Violations of these National Football LEAGUE codes and rules should absolutely matter to the committee of the National Football LEAGUE hall of fame. End of discussion.
C.C is da man love u bro
Chris Carter is one of the better sports talk hosts OHIO
If i was TO whenever the call would come i would except and I wouldn't show up for how many years it took them to get it right.
TO is correct , he not does need validation from reporters, he has it from real football fans , his numbers speak for him , he is all time great and deserved to go the very fist time period
TO should be in the HOF, he showed passion, was selfish at times and called others out, but winners do that, he said it how it is. Why judge the man on his character when everybody else is judged on how they played the game.
He played on a broken leg, don't ever question this guy's dedication to the game.