Best Mal interview done to date. Rory and Mal knowing they made major concessions in the deals they signed, like not getting paid from UA-cam videos that they’re appearing in, and STILL allegedly getting robbed is sad if true, from a friend at that. I wish them guys nothing but success.
It's was NEVER 50/50 being brought to the table... This man Joe has an entire industry career and earlier versions of shows but you think they deserve an equal cut for co-host and c-mic??... That's called entitlement smh
@@Ohh_Is_That_Sooo... what does anything you’re saying have to do with anything I said? If they had an agreement to be paid percentages from specific income and Joe did not do that, then he was cheating them. Having an industry career has nothing to do with any of that. Also agreeing to not be paid a penny from UA-cam videos that they appeared in was a huge concession from them.
I agree with you, but If you never got the accounting and dude owes you money, I'm getting an attorney and mine can talk to yours and we will find out. All this internet talking about being real, be real to your family and get your bread, no fight, no anger.
@@maxmillian1 EXACTLY, hence there never being a lawsuit. They most likely had people in their ear who didn't know the inner workings so they bit the hand that fed them. 1 thing for sure though if somebody rich owes you money, aren't you goin to get yours? Even logically it doesn't make sense what they are saying.
Partners share in the expenses of the business. Partners source new business. Partners are involved in payroll to the employees. Partners have access to the business accounts, as well as the books. Rory and Mal weren't involved in the day to day activities of the business, because they weren't Joe's partners.
If u never had Ownership in your contract HOW TF ARE YOU NOT AN EMPLOYEE? He said they took a “Humble Percentage” of the money that comes in, no ownership rights ever been said so why tf is this dude still tryna say Joe can’t tell Rory not to come in?
They were partners & received a percentage of the money. If they were Joe’s employees they would be getting W2s & Joe would have more taxes to pay. I have employees, I give them W2s & I have taxes I have to pay for them. They are paid by the hour & can earn bonuses. I provide health insurance, Joe didn’t because they were partners. The issue was Joe didn’t expect it to take off like it did. Ego got in the way. Plus if you are only an employee you do not pay business expenses, only the owner does that.
@@jamesparker7016 because the IP & podcast was already established prior to them becoming partners. To get it to the next level they were brought in for content & to help with ongoing business expenses. Their contributions earned them a percentage of the profits to the show. They weren’t paid hourly, their contracts stated they would receive a percentage of the revenue after all business expenses were paid. Employees don’t pay business expenses, they just receive pay for the hours that they work. So if the show didn’t generate profits they wouldn’t earn their percentage. It happens everyday in the business world, someone starts a business & for it to continue to grow instead of going to a bank for loans they bring in partners to invest. Then when the profits come in they get their ROI. Some partners are silent & which they just invest into someone’s business & quietly get their ROI. Mal & Rory not only invested, paid business expenses, but they were talent on the show. The new guys on the Joe Budden Podcast are employees, they get paid for their time but don’t invest financially in the show or sit behind any business expenses. Joe protected himself by writing in the contract that he owns the IP & naming rights, so they couldn’t take that when they left.
3:49 Mal gotta keep it 💯 That skit shit 😊was definitely inspired from the JBP skit that they did while him and Rory was there. JBP sauce was all over that.
Mal's story just doesn't make sense. If Joe gave you a percentage, why would he be mad to see everyone make more money? He's still larger than you by the exact same proportion as before. Also, if the case accusation is he was cooking the books, then why not just sue him? Let me guess. Too real to sue, but not too real to talk about the man like a scored ex for years?
That’s why it’s crazy…like you getting 70% and I’m feeling like you stealing from my measly 15%? Anyone who wasn’t stealing will make them sign an nda, open the books and fire them and air their shit out…no one will take RnM’s side if it happened that way
MAL refuses to take accountability that his business wasn't right. He banked on friendship instead of business. Also if you was partners you would of been signing them checks, paying for audio equipment, I don't think MAL or Rory paid a dime to invest in the business or brand so there for they was employees.
If you trust your friend to look out for your best interests on the business end of things, one could say your business isn't right. But if that same friend does you dirty, do they not still hold responsibility for their part in doing you wrong as well? Even with Mal having admitted that he fucked up by trusting that Joe would look out, you still framed this situation as if it's black and white. Mind you, that whole "partner" thing came about over time and they've spoken about that as well. Mal wasn't even fully part of the pod for a while and he only became part of it (full time) because the fans demanded he did. This isn't black and white ; there's nuance.
I just don’t get why so many comments are referring to whether they were employees or not….the main thing is that Joe was withholding a large % of the money that was meant for Rory and Mal and got even more grimey when they asked for the accounting. Why has Joe not sued like he said he would? How come all the new JBP members are ACTUALLY on a salary?
When Joe did deals it wasn’t solely based on the worth of the podcast. Rory and Mal can even give an estimate of what was “stolen” because they never knew about the business the actual boss was handling behind the scene
How many times him and Rory gonna sit up and say they didn't care, nor ask about the money; they did it to just help out. Then when the money start coming in, now you wanna know where your cut is. If cut a bad deal🤷🏾♂️. That's on y'all. It's messed up, but that's business. You learned from it.
I'm just trying to understand it was something unethical or illegal done you truly believe that this wouldn't be in a litigation right now. You can argue was the homie thing honored but coming from a business owner perspective if you're not paying for cameras editing personnel and salaries im not consulting you about anything pertaining to the business you are paid talent
I only know about the podcast BECAUSE of UA-cam. The four of them including Parks all made the podcast incredible. It actually helped me while healing from a double organ transplant in '18. Sucked watching this fall apart
That’s my question.. I know if I have a contact with someone and they stole from me.. then I would take legal action .. taking legal action would expose everything
I love this side of MAL!!! I wish it could come out more (his straight shooter Libra side) with people like Joe who will switch narratives you have to keep reminding them of the TRUTH!! Joe is trying to seem happy with his new outfits, but Mixy boys chemistry can never be replaced!! great interview.
💯💯 that pussy ass politically correct or acting higher than that major successful person isnt going to get it done. You have to hit and ounch them in the mouth. Real will always overcome.. Jada destroyed 50 rap career he was the massive underdog during then. He dominated 50 and made his name house houkd as time went on. Everyone respects Jada till this day.
That can be both ways though. Mal and Rory are moved on and so is joe. Joe and his new team are very happy. Everyone won in the breakup. (But joe still number one)
Joe minions in here crazy they don’t know the whole story but calling Mal the liar but joe the one with the track record of messing it up he say it lmao
Aye champ, all respect due. Why didn’t you ask Mal why he and Rory haven’t taken it to court yet, if they were truly robbed/stolen from? That part is mind boggling to me
All of yall always say that, what if the attorneys ask for payment upfront and not defer until after like a class action?? Sometimes it's expensive to sue people.
Ask Mal what he paid for? Who paid for the podcast? Who money was used to build the podcast? Showing up as a co host doesn't entitle you to equal share or payment. He keep talking. Yet he isn't addressing the most important factors. When it wasn't successful what money did you put in. You don't get a equal share to something someone started building before you. Rory came in the picture and became 2nd Mic. Mal had no name recognition, podcast, UA-cam or anything else anyone knows about. In Mal own words " I don't give a f*** about podcasting." Which turned out to be a lie. If you created the Joe Budden podcast then make another as successful. Rory and his peaked at the beginning once again do to Joe Budden and the JBP. Then exactly like Ak said your viewership plummeted after the die down. Mal wasn't even on the podcast tier list. Most people still didn't know who you was a good portion of the podcast. It took Reddit post and the likes for people to figure out. This dude like the Energizer bunny. He just keep going and going. If what you say is true then sue and be done with it! If you don't have a leg to stand on because of the contract you signed or breach of contract then you capping. Point blank period. You get what you negotiate. If Joe is not in breach of contract you were fairly compensated. Leave your feelings at home. This is business.
Exactly!!! It's frustrating because Mal is a real one, but, his POV is coming from a snake. And that snake is Rory. Look back at the old pod. Rory started trying to lay claim to the JBP way before this blow up. And in petty fashion too. Nah Rory fucked up a great thing and had no problem taking Mal down with him. And their new pod sucks BTW.
Mal is so dry frfr not tryna hate but he should have been happy he did nothing on joe pod to me Rory add more but them 2 together without Joe is trash to me
The key is how much these “partners” paid for the operation of the podcast??? Profit shares happen after expenses as well if you’re elevating the staff it would also naturally cost more
If you start a business with a friend were he is the only that put the 50k to start that business but you put your sweat, hours and strength how can it not be 50/50?
Sweat equity means nothing. They played critical roles that were necessary in building. Joe is just a slimy guy based off this situation and track record. R&m should have got things in writing and legal binding agreements but life is a learning process, so I don’t fault them for things they didn’t know.
@@Kenemw It sounds like R&M split 30% after expenses, and Joe was responsible for expenses. The problem with that deal is when you hear about the money coming in, you think you should have more of it. But the person paying expenses is always saying that the left over after expenses is less than you assume. That's why R&M kept demanding to see accounting. But it's also why it's so silly for Mal to act like they were co-owners.
33:53 Mal is really envious. He knew Joe for a long time….he knew broke Joe…..seeing his friend get so much further away than him economically. 34:38 “everything is starting to look like a salary.” Yes mal….you lost a multi million dollar deal and u kept getting paid the money you were getting with the deal…..that means you’re being overpaid because he doesn’t want you to take a loss because the business has taken a loss
Ninjas is corny. Do you why you still talking about another man till this day. Create your own content and be a boss. Now y’all main content is talking about Joe y’all corny. Y’all didn’t bring nothing to the table y’all was employees not bosses ppl sign the wrong deal everyday B stop crying for years
You gotta understand how they seen it. They ride until the come up… Joe cut the rope before the real come up. They did what real friends would do… Joe snakes them and that’s it
That’s not the problem. The problem is that Joe wasn’t honoring the 15%… I think it’s pretty telling that Joe on more than one occasion has publicly said that NO ONE WOULD SEE HIS BOOKS… If the pod signed a $20M deal, they are entitled to 15% of whatever the net of that is. I mean Joe is an entertaining personality but he’s certainly made it clear that he’s a shady businessman…
@@chaunceymattei5049 only thing is….they never signed that 20 million dollar deal 😂 They lost a exclusive Spotify deal a multimillion dollar deal and expected their pay to stay the same lol from a cash app sponsor
Can’t hold you. I remember Joe said he had a talk with Hov and hov said he would never show niggas his accountant. This is when they were shopping around and had talks with Tidal after the Spotify deal. Can’t remember the episode either
They had a percentage of revenue or profit? That needs to be clarified. Joe owns the pod he reinvests in production marketing etc then what’s left over Rory and Mal get a percentage of. I might side with Joe on this.
Don’t work like that. Percentage what’s made is just that. Not a percentage after all the bills are paid. That’s just dumb. You wouldn’t take that shit in real life.
If the paperwork wasn’t right just sue to get your money and stop doing interviews about it. The podcast uplifted y’all to get your own show as well. Glad everyone still doing good after the breakup. I’m still listening to both shows.
I get what Mal is saying in some aspects but I’m still confused why he doesn’t think Joe was the boss. Joe started the podcast and was there from the start, the podcast was named after Joe, Joe had a bigger percentage of the ownership, so how is Joe not the boss? I’m sorry but Rory and Mal were replaceable at the end of the day but Joe is not. Joe is the star everyone else can be moved around and replaced.
@@jaywin9048it's a completely different show. If you watched the 2nd cast from their start you'd know mal was always the weakest link. He didn't add anything to the pod except adlibs.
I was a huge fan of the JBP and I remember when they started talking about the accounting as a joke and I remember saying it was gonna turn into a situation
Two years later and this guy is still crying foul. You were not partners with Joe, you were an employee. If the percentage deal is true, I'm sure that percentage would be bust down after expenses not before. Joe had more skin in the game than Rory or Mal and Mal thinks he deserves equal share. Joe didn't stop their pod after the split and he could have. It's time to move on and stop making Joe the narrative to your story, you're starting to sound like Dame.
Mal you do know that telling him to ask the girls is you keeping the mess going. Adding Parks in your mess that's also keeping the mess going. You said pay attention we're paying attention to your words too
Pod casting or the art of professional conversation is not as easy as it appears its not just about having a convo with your mans and for loon to do it alone in my view we have no idea how great this dude really is! Im calling it now he will probably be one of the best our culture ever will get! Im locked in every week with ya! #iutp
Loon is extremely well informed, he’s bringing up shit I totally forgot about and I’m a fan of the show. Great interview, mal is a stand up guy & I’m glad they are successful, joe is a damn snake smh
After the split I didn’t watch the JBP for almost a year but since I been watching it I like ish and ice better they’re more engaged while still learning on the fly
I think the dynamic between the 3 old were better than the new 3(of course parks was always there and then they added 2 more) but yeah the Rory and mal show is super dope but I just think it’s Joe that is the IT factor . They need someone with more energy . All of these guys (mal, Rory, ish, ice, parks,etc) contribute to the pod but it’s always Joe, who’s goofy personality, who’s vulnerability and sometimes crazy thoughts brings so much to the pod. Nonetheless I still fuck with both pods
Too many grown ass people in the comments picking sides like this is their business. Shit is wild to see. Either watch the content from one or both parties or… don’t. Pretty simple. Internet got you old heads thinking your opinion matter on everything.
I think everyone involved in the jbp breakup went about it wack. If anything Parks did what he was supposed to. If you're running a business out your homeboys spot wouldn't u want to b told if everybody went to talking about your business when you left to the store?
what mal says holds a lot of weight in my eyes ad he has always come across very genuine and down to earth he keeps it real and alot of rhe stuff he said I gotta be real it does look good on Joe's end. if hoe is so right why can't he just show mal the accounts to salvage his friendship at the very least. if joe valued mal as a friend he would wanna disprove any doubt to his friend that there was shadieet going on. if i was mal id be thinking the fact that Joe won't shoe mal the accounts speaks volumes.
Why hasn't anyone asked Rory and Mal how much money they put into the Joe Budden podcast? I'm willing to bet not a dollar. Sound like a bunch of entitlement to me 🤷🏽♂️
They had a contract, they didn't need to put in any money. They are entitled to what their contract says. Jordan didn't put in a dollar into Nike so does he not deserve what his contract says he is owed
@Casey Jordan also isn't saying he built nike. I'm not saying that they aren't entitled to what's in contract. I'm just saying that they were employed by Joe and whatever he was getting for the business they weren't entitled to. Now, if they actually put money in to build up the pod then yea they should be able to see the books. Do you go to your employer and ask to see accounting?
Loon said what I've been saying since the breakup, Joe was hurtvwhen Mal sided with Rory. He said it in so many words during his rant. Joe never fired Mal on air, Mal quit. If Joe could've fired Ice w/o looking crazy he would've because of the way he talked to him in the beginning I peeped it. I don't like how Ish just recently said he didn't really have a relationship with Mal but if you go back to when he first got there he mentioned how he and Ice were both fly with Mal ( his exact words) the show is goofy now with Flip and Melyssa Ford. All the so-called top 10 pods are goofy. Joe, Ak, Nore, Gillie (not Wallo) and Charlamagne, theyre all suspect if you ask me. They be on gossip messy hating shit. This guy Loon seem legit and standup. He got a new viewer
@@hegeliandianetik2009 no man can make you a millionaire they can give you millions it takes action to be a millionaire Mal and Rory produced and Joe made back that money 100x
@@hegeliandianetik2009 and say he did make them millionaires does that give him the right to do as he pleases? To steal lie try to break you down and for money mal would of given Joe his last dollar u can’t buy or replace that
Joe could have stopped them from starting their pod. They also use the drop from his show. If he wanted to be spiteful, he would have activated the non-compete clause.
Did Mal pay anyone when he was on the Joe Budden Podcast? Enough to where Joe Budden would need to come to him to discuss issues with Rory? Friendship and business got blurred
Exactly! He be talking like they were co-owners. Joe, was their boss and I think they refuse to acknowledge that, thats why he keeps leveraging "friendship" in every discussion about it.
Not to mention he said he came in at episode 77 like dude come on u was just another fill in once Marissa got out of there but u think u helped create the show lol
If I'm the lead singer it doesn't make me the boss. My percentage may be higher but we are all apart of the group. Joe position is different with the new pod members.
Meanwhile Bridget and mandi talked about how joe effed them over too. Mandi said she should’ve known from what other told her, but I guess anyone who does business with him has to learn for themselves.
That’s not what she said, she said they left with full ownership and support. She said their visions were not as different as the methods which caused them to leave
If it wasn’t for Joe I don’t think these cats would be known first of all. Aside from that, I don’t the podcast was popular because of these two, it was cause of Joe. I’m sure they signed up to just do it, and not so much for the money. Like anybody else, if I don’t like my job I’m going to leave. NOW, they making money off of this situation where at the end of day. We don’t give a fuck and it’s not our business. Our lives don’t change because these cats are arguing, crying or got played. Take it to court and keep it moving. 🤣🤣🤣 this shit wild. But hey, get that money while you can. Another year, and shit gunna be like it never happened.
@@oluway4545 not really, another issue is they thought every form of income they had a right to, whereas Joe had individual deals where he still tried to pay the whole podcast,including people in the background
No matter whose right or whose wrong. Why are we still hearing about this beef. It’s stale asf it’s like two exes who fucking with other people but you can’t let go. Great interview. The best I’ve heard Mal in a long time but let’s hear about what you’re doing today. It’s time to put this to rest.
I will never forget on a episode of the Pod when Joe said “Contracts, I don’t honor no f’kn contracts, you shitting me ” that’s how I know that Nigga definitely did something😂😂😂. BUT that is their business.
@@hebrewharv8018 that’s why I can’t understand anyone who takes joes side. He clearly says who he is and his fans always give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@user-nn7ct3hk7c the reason they take his side is because he’s good at moving the goal post with the way he talks. The gift of gab and how to spin things can make anyone look innocent. Also, keep in mind he has a bigger following and has Akademics who hates Rory and Mal also attacking them.
Mal and Rory had a since of entitlement. That’s it. Mal can’t say what he did to help the podcast, Rory clearly had some issues with joe naming the show after himself, hence the ‘with Rory and Mal’ just because someone say you get paid this percentage, doesn’t mean you are business partners! You guys are still employees.
This was a beautiful Q&A, unbiased, but there is still the other half of the story and then the truth
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He is being disingenuous saying there's no beef its all love if that was the case everything would be good then no accusations issues lies false narratives you say that's out there
This was a great watch, got a clear understanding of the situation finally. As a first time viewer I'll be back as long as Loon learns his script by heart lmao.
Best Mal interview done to date. Rory and Mal knowing they made major concessions in the deals they signed, like not getting paid from UA-cam videos that they’re appearing in, and STILL allegedly getting robbed is sad if true, from a friend at that. I wish them guys nothing but success.
You can tell people who don’t understand this don’t have many friends…
It's was NEVER 50/50 being brought to the table... This man Joe has an entire industry career and earlier versions of shows but you think they deserve an equal cut for co-host and c-mic??... That's called entitlement smh
@@Ohh_Is_That_Sooo... what does anything you’re saying have to do with anything I said? If they had an agreement to be paid percentages from specific income and Joe did not do that, then he was cheating them. Having an industry career has nothing to do with any of that. Also agreeing to not be paid a penny from UA-cam videos that they appeared in was a huge concession from them.
I agree with you, but If you never got the accounting and dude owes you money, I'm getting an attorney and mine can talk to yours and we will find out. All this internet talking about being real, be real to your family and get your bread, no fight, no anger.
@@maxmillian1 EXACTLY, hence there never being a lawsuit. They most likely had people in their ear who didn't know the inner workings so they bit the hand that fed them. 1 thing for sure though if somebody rich owes you money, aren't you goin to get yours?
Even logically it doesn't make sense what they are saying.
I wish i had a friend that was so bad at being a friend that they made me a millionaire ❗️
Right
@@inoyvst6786 thats not the point. One mill two mill, its the principle. Fairness.
It's been two years and Mal still talking about Joe Budden lol 🤡 IF HE "STOLE" MONEY FROM YOU, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO COURT A LONG TIME AGO.
Apparently it did go to court and it was quashed ..
Why he kiss mals ass the whole interview?
I think mal should do more appearances. He's a cool dude.
Partners share in the expenses of the business. Partners source new business. Partners are involved in payroll to the employees. Partners have access to the business accounts, as well as the books. Rory and Mal weren't involved in the day to day activities of the business, because they weren't Joe's partners.
48:11 nah Mal that was only after you said The Breakfast Club Was done and they were ancient. I remember all of that.
If u never had Ownership in your contract HOW TF ARE YOU NOT AN EMPLOYEE? He said they took a “Humble Percentage” of the money that comes in, no ownership rights ever been said so why tf is this dude still tryna say Joe can’t tell Rory not to come in?
They were partners & received a percentage of the money. If they were Joe’s employees they would be getting W2s & Joe would have more taxes to pay. I have employees, I give them W2s & I have taxes I have to pay for them. They are paid by the hour & can earn bonuses. I provide health insurance, Joe didn’t because they were partners. The issue was Joe didn’t expect it to take off like it did. Ego got in the way. Plus if you are only an employee you do not pay business expenses, only the owner does that.
@@juelzadebisi1898As an employer…can you explain how they can be partners but not own any of the podcast? Seems impossible
@@jamesparker7016 because the IP & podcast was already established prior to them becoming partners. To get it to the next level they were brought in for content & to help with ongoing business expenses. Their contributions earned them a percentage of the profits to the show. They weren’t paid hourly, their contracts stated they would receive a percentage of the revenue after all business expenses were paid. Employees don’t pay business expenses, they just receive pay for the hours that they work. So if the show didn’t generate profits they wouldn’t earn their percentage. It happens everyday in the business world, someone starts a business & for it to continue to grow instead of going to a bank for loans they bring in partners to invest. Then when the profits come in they get their ROI. Some partners are silent & which they just invest into someone’s business & quietly get their ROI. Mal & Rory not only invested, paid business expenses, but they were talent on the show. The new guys on the Joe Budden Podcast are employees, they get paid for their time but don’t invest financially in the show or sit behind any business expenses. Joe protected himself by writing in the contract that he owns the IP & naming rights, so they couldn’t take that when they left.
These dudes really done sat and had a whole pod talking about Joe 😂😂 💅🏽
u mean like he does each week yo get away from here before you are blocked
@@itsuptherepodcast Blocked?
That’s what podcasts are for dummy😂
3:49 Mal gotta keep it 💯 That skit shit 😊was definitely inspired from the JBP skit that they did while him and Rory was there. JBP sauce was all over that.
Mal's story just doesn't make sense. If Joe gave you a percentage, why would he be mad to see everyone make more money? He's still larger than you by the exact same proportion as before. Also, if the case accusation is he was cooking the books, then why not just sue him?
Let me guess. Too real to sue, but not too real to talk about the man like a scored ex for years?
That’s why it’s crazy…like you getting 70% and I’m feeling like you stealing from my measly 15%? Anyone who wasn’t stealing will make them sign an nda, open the books and fire them and air their shit out…no one will take RnM’s side if it happened that way
MAL refuses to take accountability that his business wasn't right. He banked on friendship instead of business. Also if you was partners you would of been signing them checks, paying for audio equipment, I don't think MAL or Rory paid a dime to invest in the business or brand so there for they was employees.
If you trust your friend to look out for your best interests on the business end of things, one could say your business isn't right. But if that same friend does you dirty, do they not still hold responsibility for their part in doing you wrong as well? Even with Mal having admitted that he fucked up by trusting that Joe would look out, you still framed this situation as if it's black and white. Mind you, that whole "partner" thing came about over time and they've spoken about that as well. Mal wasn't even fully part of the pod for a while and he only became part of it (full time) because the fans demanded he did. This isn't black and white ; there's nuance.
I just don’t get why so many comments are referring to whether they were employees or not….the main thing is that Joe was withholding a large % of the money that was meant for Rory and Mal and got even more grimey when they asked for the accounting. Why has Joe not sued like he said he would? How come all the new JBP members are ACTUALLY on a salary?
When Joe did deals it wasn’t solely based on the worth of the podcast. Rory and Mal can even give an estimate of what was “stolen” because they never knew about the business the actual boss was handling behind the scene
How many times him and Rory gonna sit up and say they didn't care, nor ask about the money; they did it to just help out. Then when the money start coming in, now you wanna know where your cut is. If cut a bad deal🤷🏾♂️. That's on y'all. It's messed up, but that's business. You learned from it.
Nasty work...but guess who still gonna watch?? ME!!!😂😂😂
I'm just trying to understand it was something unethical or illegal done you truly believe that this wouldn't be in a litigation right now. You can argue was the homie thing honored but coming from a business owner perspective if you're not paying for cameras editing personnel and salaries im not consulting you about anything pertaining to the business you are paid talent
I only know about the podcast BECAUSE of UA-cam. The four of them including Parks all made the podcast incredible. It actually helped me while healing from a double organ transplant in '18. Sucked watching this fall apart
You not lying at all 💯 also I'm glad you're still here ! Stay up g
@@yeayea5851 appreciate you! February 1st will make 6 years, Praise the most high
bare minimum boys
This guy needs to talk LESS and LISTEN more!
He spoke over Mal so many times, it's ridiculous.
It’s crazy how Joe got this all off. Surprised neither of y’all would sue. He practically begged you to lol.
That’s my question.. I know if I have a contact with someone and they stole from me.. then I would take legal action .. taking legal action would expose everything
Because deep down they know they were naive af to the business
I love this side of MAL!!! I wish it could come out more (his straight shooter Libra side) with people like Joe who will switch narratives you have to keep reminding them of the TRUTH!! Joe is trying to seem happy with his new outfits, but Mixy boys chemistry can never be replaced!! great interview.
💯💯 that pussy ass politically correct or acting higher than that major successful person isnt going to get it done. You have to hit and ounch them in the mouth. Real will always overcome.. Jada destroyed 50 rap career he was the massive underdog during then. He dominated 50 and made his name house houkd as time went on. Everyone respects Jada till this day.
That can be both ways though. Mal and Rory are moved on and so is joe. Joe and his new team are very happy. Everyone won in the breakup. (But joe still number one)
@@Jp-et3zmand you’re still a eater 😂
@@donoc6036 ong, JBP mid as hell 😂
@@ermackoresh6282 And still 10* better than what Rory and Mal doing lmao
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Joe minions in here crazy they don’t know the whole story but calling Mal the liar but joe the one with the track record of messing it up he say it lmao
They think and move like Joe
Aye champ, all respect due. Why didn’t you ask Mal why he and Rory haven’t taken it to court yet, if they were truly robbed/stolen from? That part is mind boggling to me
The only question I wanted answered.
Cuz he has a bias he coulda asked a lot of certain questions but probably feared mal would walk out on the interview
Some of Joes fam is like his fam it’s not as simple for him as it is for us who don’t know nan one of them
Mal said he ain’t wanna go to court
All of yall always say that, what if the attorneys ask for payment upfront and not defer until after like a class action?? Sometimes it's expensive to sue people.
Ask Mal what he paid for? Who paid for the podcast? Who money was used to build the podcast? Showing up as a co host doesn't entitle you to equal share or payment. He keep talking. Yet he isn't addressing the most important factors. When it wasn't successful what money did you put in. You don't get a equal share to something someone started building before you. Rory came in the picture and became 2nd Mic. Mal had no name recognition, podcast, UA-cam or anything else anyone knows about. In Mal own words " I don't give a f*** about podcasting." Which turned out to be a lie. If you created the Joe Budden podcast then make another as successful. Rory and his peaked at the beginning once again do to Joe Budden and the JBP. Then exactly like Ak said your viewership plummeted after the die down. Mal wasn't even on the podcast tier list. Most people still didn't know who you was a good portion of the podcast. It took Reddit post and the likes for people to figure out. This dude like the Energizer bunny. He just keep going and going. If what you say is true then sue and be done with it! If you don't have a leg to stand on because of the contract you signed or breach of contract then you capping. Point blank period. You get what you negotiate. If Joe is not in breach of contract you were fairly compensated. Leave your feelings at home. This is business.
Exactly!!! It's frustrating because Mal is a real one, but, his POV is coming from a snake. And that snake is Rory. Look back at the old pod. Rory started trying to lay claim to the JBP way before this blow up. And in petty fashion too. Nah Rory fucked up a great thing and had no problem taking Mal down with him. And their new pod sucks BTW.
Mal is so dry frfr not tryna hate but he should have been happy he did nothing on joe pod to me Rory add more but them 2 together without Joe is trash to me
Great interview.🔥🔥🔥🔥 NEW RORY AND MAL are those guys! Much love and respect and more blessings! 🍊💰🍊💰
The key is how much these “partners” paid for the operation of the podcast??? Profit shares happen after expenses as well if you’re elevating the staff it would also naturally cost more
If you start a business with a friend were he is the only that put the 50k to start that business but you put your sweat, hours and strength how can it not be 50/50?
Sweat equity means nothing. They played critical roles that were necessary in building. Joe is just a slimy guy based off this situation and track record. R&m should have got things in writing and legal binding agreements but life is a learning process, so I don’t fault them for things they didn’t know.
They probably took 40% and joe remained majority ownership & percentage
@@Kenemw It sounds like R&M split 30% after expenses, and Joe was responsible for expenses. The problem with that deal is when you hear about the money coming in, you think you should have more of it. But the person paying expenses is always saying that the left over after expenses is less than you assume.
That's why R&M kept demanding to see accounting. But it's also why it's so silly for Mal to act like they were co-owners.
@@KingstonHawke great point, cause in a partnership, you don't have to "ask" to "see" anything. It's completely at your disposal.
MAL YALL WERE NEVER PARTNERS! Simply workers let it go girl
33:53 Mal is really envious.
He knew Joe for a long time….he knew broke Joe…..seeing his friend get so much further away than him economically.
34:38 “everything is starting to look like a salary.”
Yes mal….you lost a multi million dollar deal and u kept getting paid the money you were getting with the deal…..that means you’re being overpaid because he doesn’t want you to take a loss because the business has taken a loss
THANK YOU! Someone that finally gets it.
If it was that black and white why Joe couldn’t just state that to his “FRIENDS!”?
Ninjas is corny. Do you why you still talking about another man till this day. Create your own content and be a boss. Now y’all main content is talking about Joe y’all corny. Y’all didn’t bring nothing to the table y’all was employees not bosses ppl sign the wrong deal everyday B stop crying for years
That’s you in ya profile pic ? Lmaooooo
Strong ass neck
THEY signed a deal that said they got back 15% of what Joe nets. They should only be mad at themselves for signing that shit.
You gotta understand how they seen it. They ride until the come up… Joe cut the rope before the real come up. They did what real friends would do… Joe snakes them and that’s it
That’s not the problem. The problem is that Joe wasn’t honoring the 15%…
I think it’s pretty telling that Joe on more than one occasion has publicly said that NO ONE WOULD SEE HIS BOOKS…
If the pod signed a $20M deal, they are entitled to 15% of whatever the net of that is. I mean Joe is an entertaining personality but he’s certainly made it clear that he’s a shady businessman…
@@chaunceymattei5049 only thing is….they never signed that 20 million dollar deal 😂
They lost a exclusive Spotify deal a multimillion dollar deal and expected their pay to stay the same lol from a cash app sponsor
So Mal is talking about joe again? Unprovoked? Lol why can't he just drop it. He look so damn corny and hurt
It’s an older interview fam
Joe only talked about mal and Rory at a minimum 60 times lol
U Kno This was months ago Joe lol
Shit old. Idky he just dropped it
And now bringing up Parks🤦🏾♀️
Can’t hold you. I remember Joe said he had a talk with Hov and hov said he would never show niggas his accountant. This is when they were shopping around and had talks with Tidal after the Spotify deal. Can’t remember the episode either
They had a percentage of revenue or profit? That needs to be clarified. Joe owns the pod he reinvests in production marketing etc then what’s left over Rory and Mal get a percentage of. I might side with Joe on this.
Tbh it's hard to know anything because it's everyone's words against each other. Basically it's just entertainment at this point lol
Don’t work like that. Percentage what’s made is just that. Not a percentage after all the bills are paid. That’s just dumb. You wouldn’t take that shit in real life.
If the paperwork wasn’t right just sue to get your money and stop doing interviews about it. The podcast uplifted y’all to get your own show as well. Glad everyone still doing good after the breakup. I’m still listening to both shows.
It depends. May not be like an accident or class action lawsuit. They may have to put up money initially to start the case.
Oh shit it's minimum 😂😂
I get what Mal is saying in some aspects but I’m still confused why he doesn’t think Joe was the boss. Joe started the podcast and was there from the start, the podcast was named after Joe, Joe had a bigger percentage of the ownership, so how is Joe not the boss? I’m sorry but Rory and Mal were replaceable at the end of the day but Joe is not. Joe is the star everyone else can be moved around and replaced.
That shit sucks without Rory and Mal. It's just not the same show, barring the employee/employer discussion. It's weird af now.
@@jaywin9048 it’s way better to me than it was with Rory and Mal
@@mikekarpouzie Ish and ice seem fake
@@jaywin9048 I disagree Rory and Mal seemed fake. Mal was always trying so hard to be cool and Rory was too.
@@jaywin9048it's a completely different show. If you watched the 2nd cast from their start you'd know mal was always the weakest link. He didn't add anything to the pod except adlibs.
42:30 but I thought it was $400k mistake
I was a huge fan of the JBP and I remember when they started talking about the accounting as a joke and I remember saying it was gonna turn into a situation
"Say his name".. Say his name"
SAY HIS NAME AND HE APPEARS.
I BELEIVE IN JOE HENDRY" 👏👏
Two years later and this guy is still crying foul. You were not partners with Joe, you were an employee. If the percentage deal is true, I'm sure that percentage would be bust down after expenses not before. Joe had more skin in the game than Rory or Mal and Mal thinks he deserves equal share. Joe didn't stop their pod after the split and he could have. It's time to move on and stop making Joe the narrative to your story, you're starting to sound like Dame.
At @35:00 Mal shows me he doesn't understand business. Saying you should get more profit because you sold more tickets just isn't how touring works.
You would if it’s percentage based.
@@terrancesingleton9956 Now I know that you don’t understand business either.
I knew if I prayed and just wait the interview would drop
Thanks for u support fam
I been yelling for months bro. Finally.
Another interview bout joe omg we get it
Made me remember why I stopped watching Joe…..Thanks Mal
Mal is mistaken and naive and the JBP is much better know with the new cast.
Mal you do know that telling him to ask the girls is you keeping the mess going. Adding Parks in your mess that's also keeping the mess going. You said pay attention we're paying attention to your words too
Pod casting or the art of professional conversation is not as easy as it appears its not just about having a convo with your mans and for loon to do it alone in my view we have no idea how great this dude really is! Im calling it now he will probably be one of the best our culture ever will get! Im locked in every week with ya! #iutp
Loon is extremely well informed, he’s bringing up shit I totally forgot about and I’m a fan of the show. Great interview, mal is a stand up guy & I’m glad they are successful, joe is a damn snake smh
You sound like a clown….just like Loon
Joe made a chess move 😂😂
Mal was/ big ass nobody before Joe
After the split I didn’t watch the JBP for almost a year but since I been watching it I like ish and ice better they’re more engaged while still learning on the fly
I stopped for 3 or so months. But I agree with you. I tried to rock with Rory and Mal for those 3 months but it just wasn’t the same.
Facts
I think the dynamic between the 3 old were better than the new 3(of course parks was always there and then they added 2 more)
but yeah the Rory and mal show is super dope but I just think it’s Joe that is the IT factor . They need someone with more energy .
All of these guys (mal, Rory, ish, ice, parks,etc) contribute to the pod but it’s always Joe, who’s goofy personality, who’s vulnerability and sometimes crazy thoughts brings so much to the pod.
Nonetheless I still fuck with both pods
JBP sucks now. It's just not the same as it was.
Let that man tell his story
Too many grown ass people in the comments picking sides like this is their business. Shit is wild to see. Either watch the content from one or both parties or… don’t. Pretty simple. Internet got you old heads thinking your opinion matter on everything.
Finally after eons of waiting it's finally here #itsup 🔥
"The network is literally just his UA-cam channel" 💀
This thumbnail is crazy but I'm here for it. 😂
Man i hope mal & Rory see the successes they deserve.
Already do just not from podcasting as much.
That Rory and mal podcast ass
Goddam I’ve never seen a more disorganized title for a video
u can always watch something else. good luck
I think everyone involved in the jbp breakup went about it wack. If anything Parks did what he was supposed to. If you're running a business out your homeboys spot wouldn't u want to b told if everybody went to talking about your business when you left to the store?
what mal says holds a lot of weight in my eyes ad he has always come across very genuine and down to earth
he keeps it real and alot of rhe stuff he said I gotta be real it does look good on Joe's end. if hoe is so right why can't he just show mal the accounts to salvage his friendship at the very least. if joe valued mal as a friend he would wanna disprove any doubt to his friend that there was shadieet going on. if i was mal id be thinking the fact that Joe won't shoe mal the accounts speaks volumes.
Mal did the “tickets/salary” things proves he doesn’t know business. Different locations require different prices
Why hasn't anyone asked Rory and Mal how much money they put into the Joe Budden podcast? I'm willing to bet not a dollar. Sound like a bunch of entitlement to me 🤷🏽♂️
They had a contract, they didn't need to put in any money. They are entitled to what their contract says. Jordan didn't put in a dollar into Nike so does he not deserve what his contract says he is owed
@Casey Jordan also isn't saying he built nike. I'm not saying that they aren't entitled to what's in contract. I'm just saying that they were employed by Joe and whatever he was getting for the business they weren't entitled to. Now, if they actually put money in to build up the pod then yea they should be able to see the books. Do you go to your employer and ask to see accounting?
Loon said what I've been saying since the breakup, Joe was hurtvwhen Mal sided with Rory. He said it in so many words during his rant. Joe never fired Mal on air, Mal quit. If Joe could've fired Ice w/o looking crazy he would've because of the way he talked to him in the beginning I peeped it. I don't like how Ish just recently said he didn't really have a relationship with Mal but if you go back to when he first got there he mentioned how he and Ice were both fly with Mal ( his exact words) the show is goofy now with Flip and Melyssa Ford. All the so-called top 10 pods are goofy. Joe, Ak, Nore, Gillie (not Wallo) and Charlamagne, theyre all suspect if you ask me. They be on gossip messy hating shit. This guy Loon seem legit and standup. He got a new viewer
If everyone goofy, it’s probably the one looking out with goofy shades on 😂
Look in the mirror 🪞
Why would he fire Ice??
Mal always talking bout “it’s not about money”
But this whole thing has been about money 😂
It’s about a friend u call a brother lieing and stilling kicking ur back in
@@ZVYWMxthat friend took homies no one knew and made them millionaires
@@hegeliandianetik2009so you think Mal needed the money? He has direct connect via family to anything he could want or need. Tf?
@@hegeliandianetik2009 no man can make you a millionaire they can give you millions it takes action to be a millionaire Mal and Rory produced and Joe made back that money 100x
@@hegeliandianetik2009 and say he did make them millionaires does that give him the right to do as he pleases? To steal lie try to break you down and for money mal would of given Joe his last dollar u can’t buy or replace that
You weren’t partners if you didn’t have ownership!
The weirdos Will be in the comments
41:16 “thats rough to deal with” lol hahaha
It doesnt matter if he was white or black..its principle
Park is Loyal gotta respect that
Is this an old interview? Or is he repeating the same lines in every interview?
🏋🏼♂️🏋🏼♂️🏋🏼♂️ conversation! I’ma be subscribing to the Patreon shortly! Respect! Peace!
Mal literally has nothing else to talk about besides Joe 😂 crazy
When Mal said ego ruined it all he is absolutely correct. What I think he misses is how his own ego contributed to it.
Why would Joe sue? He isn’t the one saying he got robbed. They are! Wtf?!?
Joe could have stopped them from starting their pod. They also use the drop from his show. If he wanted to be spiteful, he would have activated the non-compete clause.
Great Intreview.
🔥🔥🔥🔥 great interview
The "network" is literally just his UA-cam channel 😂😂 gotta love Mal Realness
Mal first episodes on the old pod was out the park. Mal’s takes were wild
Did Mal pay anyone when he was on the Joe Budden Podcast? Enough to where Joe Budden would need to come to him to discuss issues with Rory? Friendship and business got blurred
Exactly! He be talking like they were co-owners. Joe, was their boss and I think they refuse to acknowledge that, thats why he keeps leveraging "friendship" in every discussion about it.
Not to mention he said he came in at episode 77 like dude come on u was just another fill in once Marissa got out of there but u think u helped create the show lol
If I'm the lead singer it doesn't make me the boss. My percentage may be higher but we are all apart of the group. Joe position is different with the new pod members.
@@ARMX19 Thats like saying a manager at a company is like the owner... No.
@@lainalove6149 not co-owners but they did have a partnership deal
The New Dame Dash …. If y’all signed contracts get lawyers involved .. or y’all wanted a bigger kut Bekuz y’all were kool ….
Meanwhile Bridget and mandi talked about how joe effed them over too. Mandi said she should’ve known from what other told her, but I guess anyone who does business with him has to learn for themselves.
That’s not what she said, she said they left with full ownership and support. She said their visions were not as different as the methods which caused them to leave
If it wasn’t for Joe I don’t think these cats would be known first of all. Aside from that, I don’t the podcast was popular because of these two, it was cause of Joe. I’m sure they signed up to just do it, and not so much for the money. Like anybody else, if I don’t like my job I’m going to leave. NOW, they making money off of this situation where at the end of day. We don’t give a fuck and it’s not our business. Our lives don’t change because these cats are arguing, crying or got played. Take it to court and keep it moving. 🤣🤣🤣 this shit wild. But hey, get that money while you can. Another year, and shit gunna be like it never happened.
I wonder if Ish is still holding out on signing that contract 😂
ish cut closest to mal of anyone .. interesting 💰
After this if ppl don't put more respect on Mal name then they just some haters
Mal too deep for his age,smart
Another question that should he asked to Mal is WHERE is the money coming from IF they’re not contracted anywhere?
With a (accounting )quick book, you see all of the money coming in and going out, so that answers that
@@oluway4545 not really, another issue is they thought every form of income they had a right to, whereas Joe had individual deals where he still tried to pay the whole podcast,including people in the background
@@TheTee103 they don’t wanna hear the truth bruh 😂 they wanna hate Joe Budden cuz he worked 4 jobs and they lazy asses just did the one podcast.
This right here is overlooked
Mel only relevant when talking about joe
He’s relevant BECAUSE he was apart of it lmao duhhh why wouldn’t he talk about it
@@lovebattlerap3341because he said they're on their own now so don't use my name for views 🤷🏿🤦🏾
Bare said leave me out, Minnimum tryna start shit lmao, love you mal 😂🤣
Mal always been a real one. I definitely became a fan of the pod and listened to it consistently once he became a main member.
12:18 sold Joe out SmH.. right is right & Wrong is Wrong. but u supposed to ride w your day 1 regardless
Yall better stop playin joe....
No matter whose right or whose wrong. Why are we still hearing about this beef. It’s stale asf it’s like two exes who fucking with other people but you can’t let go. Great interview. The best I’ve heard Mal in a long time but let’s hear about what you’re doing today. It’s time to put this to rest.
This man is stuck in the past. LET IT GO
This is the same guy that paints his nails
I will never forget on a episode of the Pod when Joe said “Contracts, I don’t honor no f’kn contracts, you shitting me ” that’s how I know that Nigga definitely did something😂😂😂. BUT that is their business.
He also said he does not owe his friends respect when Mal asked him.
@@EmptyTelevision 😂😂😂 I remember that too. Completely nuts fam. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@hebrewharv8018 that’s why I can’t understand anyone who takes joes side. He clearly says who he is and his fans always give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@user-nn7ct3hk7c the reason they take his side is because he’s good at moving the goal post with the way he talks. The gift of gab and how to spin things can make anyone look innocent. Also, keep in mind he has a bigger following and has Akademics who hates Rory and Mal also attacking them.
But then Joe always want to go after the corporations for taking from the creators
Mal was too real for joe.
Mal and Rory had a since of entitlement. That’s it. Mal can’t say what he did to help the podcast, Rory clearly had some issues with joe naming the show after himself, hence the ‘with Rory and Mal’ just because someone say you get paid this percentage, doesn’t mean you are business partners! You guys are still employees.
This was a beautiful Q&A, unbiased, but there is still the other half of the story and then the truth
He is being disingenuous saying there's no beef its all love if that was the case everything would be good then no accusations issues lies false narratives you say that's out there
This was a great watch, got a clear understanding of the situation finally. As a first time viewer I'll be back as long as Loon learns his script by heart lmao.