I’m so grateful to have stumbled across this video! I’m creating a painting of the green man right now and have been looking for as much information as possible. This was definitely a huge inspiration!
I know of 3 kids in the 80s who seen a big green man in 2 separate areas who didn't know each other as they went different schools. They were mocked a lot. This is in the north west of England near the lake district but nearer to our coastal town both sightings were near streams. The first was near a place called witches hollow where a old one room school which wooden frame roof remained with dates and initials branded onto it with a fire poker the earliest date we found on it was 1777 and it had lots on it. This really happened but cannot explain it. Can anyone help?
@Gentle Wise Himself? This happened when we were 9-10 years old. My best friend was terrified. I heard the tree snap and screams then ran after my mate. They nearly ran into it. 2 month later same but different area, school friend told me exact same description. It was the 80s and adults said they had seen the incredible Hulk with watching to much TV...omfg. Why is it always a green man not women or tribe? It wasn't a hairy description. I wonder if adults have ever seen it before? Nobody wants a serious discussion to this day.
@@checktheskies5040 I'm open minded,can't blame the devil for everything, but for sure that thing could of taken them,no joke,I wonder if it was a reptilian shape shifter,did it have yellow eyes,also stories turn to legends,then people think science can explain everything, yet it can't explain how while we sleep,are bodies go on autopilot into yogi breathing to heal are selfs,ever notice when your sick you always feel better after sleeping.doesnt matter how many hours go by while awake,we must sleep to heal.
If it was 7 to 8 feet tall,no f ing lie it was a humanoid reptilian they look human just the eyes are different, look up missing 411,always kids disappear in the forest
me too. but of course gandalf is lesser then odin but more then merlin. merlin in theory is kind of like or could even be a half elf like elrond. gandalf s chief boss would be an actual odin type figure (manwe king of the gods) while gandalf is actually a lesser angelic nature guardian spirit servnt of the gods, merlin is actually said to be ovf a demon succubus with a mortal woman, but maybe could be translated as an elf? elrond however is also part lesser angelic nature guardian spirit(maia) like gandalf but is also part elf and human.
@@cuchulain55... I kinda ment that Tolken was inpired by odin when writing Gandalf, like how he looks and acts. The fact that the Norse myths were a far greater influence on him, eg. the languages he created were quite Scandinavian. The story of the hobbit is large part lifted from Norse myth. And there was also the fact that Tolkien didnt like the distinctive French lineage of the Arthurian tales compared to a story like beawolf which seemed to appeal more to the Anglophille author.
@@Thomas...191 could i venture to suggest that the Welsh language was a far greater influence on Tolkien AFAIK Disclaimer: i haven't watched the lecture yet, i just lazily pottered down to the comments to get the sense of whether I'm keen). However, as soon as you read about the Norse legend of Sigurd and Fafnir you realise that LOTR is not exactly original. It just fused different elements of mythology and linguistics, but if the work he borrowed from had copyright there wouldn't be much left of his tale if i can put it that way. I'm totally not an expert but i have Welsh ancestry and experience mild annoyance when this aspect is overlooked Because once you familiarise yourself with Welsh, which is connected to the ancient Brythonic tongue as the Celts were the original Britons, it's just kinda obvious. This probably comes across like diffident hair splitting - i do happen to be in a very humid room with no windows and it's like almost 30 degrees Celsius - ie, not in Wales, but the other side of the world. But the reality is it's actually very interesting to make comparisons with the Norse myths, it can be quite satisfying to join the dots. And i do believe the Welsh landscape and language were influences moreso than the specific legend. In the original story i think Sigurd is adopted but then for some reason learns his adoptive father is plotting to kill him (by gaining temporal power to listen in to animals). So he offs his father. And then there's wheeling and dealing which i think connects to Loki, an otter that was killed which turned out to be a family member of.. some kind of troll/ogre/goblin, i forget the right name. Anyway i think gold is given by Loku to the troll king but there's a trick involved, perhaps a curse. The troll king gets murdered, perhaps by Fafnir the relative, brother of Sigurd's stepdad, if i haven't messed this up, and Fafnir legs it with the gold, turning into a dragon and descending to a mountain lair in order to hoard it, where Sigurd is eventually able to defeat him by taking advice from someone or something. i actually don't remember anything about a ring in the context i was reading about it (and I'm trying to remember if the Nibelungen (??)!is a different but similar story or the same), but the idea of cursed gold is involved. In the Norse one, a bunch of rellos murder each other which seems to have been a popular theme, so that's another departure.
@@mothratemporalradio517 ... I too have a lot of Welsh ancestry. And have swapped the dampness of Britain for the scorching sun in... Ireland.... well ok a little different. There are loads of interpretations of alot of those stories some with very different story lines for single characters. I suppose this reflects the mostly oral tradition from which they were generated. I quite like your version though; more succinct😉... I do think the Nibelungen is kind of a separate story with some familiar characters. But really all I really remember of it was an curious familiarity with the magical ring etc. Tolkien I think borrowed from these tales becuse he saw a lack of Anglo Saxon myths surviving. He kind of wanted to emalgamte one from the many.... one tale to rule them all i suppose 🤦♂️
This is wrong. If you use abstraction in your analysis always critique your analysis for what abstraction tends to miss! Abstraction picks up common elements between soties but leaves out meta commentary on the elements within one or the other or BOTH stories. The green man is structured differently from the heirarchical tale self sacrifice tale but uses its elements. Its from the pov of a self-sacrificing character but the monster is a castical monster. The monster isnt a corrupt king or the kings evile brother or the kings evil councilor or an evil brother of the Main character, its a woman behind the scenes who cursed a man into the character of a monster and simultaneously cursed his wife into the character of infidelity. The green man is very simple, a boy deals with polygamist problems with fidelity and this wins himself mercy from the husband, which is the only thing that saves his life. suffering a close call with the husband wins the boy a sash or an honor or a good reputation as one who respects the ties which bind society, which gains him leniency fron society. If there's a moral of the story its: respect other people's marriages. you never know if the husband is a monster (i would add) if the husband is able to support a family he probably has some monster in him, thats the point of puss in boots after all, a virtous man is less a strong man and more a civilized monster
I’m so grateful to have stumbled across this video! I’m creating a painting of the green man right now and have been looking for as much information as possible. This was definitely a huge inspiration!
How are you doing now? Have you seen it also?
Do you have an instagram you post your art to?
Wow, this is a fantastic lecture. I learned so much listening to this.
This confirms the old adage, good writers borrow, and great writers steal.
Outstanding lecture. Thank you!
This is great. Thanks
My friends seen the green man on 2 separate occasions. North England ❤
The green man still exists, we call him sasquatch in Canada. They have psychic abilities
I'm actually half sasquatch. My mother fell in love with one while in Quebec.
@TheRealEvilRoy They live in Quebec and I believe some can interbreed with us humans. So your story dosnt seem that crazy to me. Cheers
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I know of 3 kids in the 80s who seen a big green man in 2 separate areas who didn't know each other as they went different schools. They were mocked a lot. This is in the north west of England near the lake district but nearer to our coastal town both sightings were near streams. The first was near a place called witches hollow where a old one room school which wooden frame roof remained with dates and initials branded onto it with a fire poker the earliest date we found on it was 1777 and it had lots on it. This really happened but cannot explain it. Can anyone help?
@Gentle Wise Himself? This happened when we were 9-10 years old. My best friend was terrified. I heard the tree snap and screams then ran after my mate. They nearly ran into it. 2 month later same but different area, school friend told me exact same description. It was the 80s and adults said they had seen the incredible Hulk with watching to much TV...omfg. Why is it always a green man not women or tribe? It wasn't a hairy description. I wonder if adults have ever seen it before? Nobody wants a serious discussion to this day.
@@checktheskies5040 I'm open minded,can't blame the devil for everything, but for sure that thing could of taken them,no joke,I wonder if it was a reptilian shape shifter,did it have yellow eyes,also stories turn to legends,then people think science can explain everything, yet it can't explain how while we sleep,are bodies go on autopilot into yogi breathing to heal are selfs,ever notice when your sick you always feel better after sleeping.doesnt matter how many hours go by while awake,we must sleep to heal.
If it was 7 to 8 feet tall,no f ing lie it was a humanoid reptilian they look human just the eyes are different, look up missing 411,always kids disappear in the forest
@@checktheskies5040 what exactly does it look like?
Everything started North Pole, Hyperboreal Land where the land call Darria , Avalon....Where the Titans And Giants ....
I always thought gandalf had more Odin than merlin in him.
me too. but of course gandalf is lesser then odin but more then merlin. merlin in theory is kind of like or could even be a half elf like elrond. gandalf s chief boss would be an actual odin type figure (manwe king of the gods) while gandalf is actually a lesser angelic nature guardian spirit servnt of the gods, merlin is actually said to be ovf a demon succubus with a mortal woman, but maybe could be translated as an elf? elrond however is also part lesser angelic nature guardian spirit(maia) like gandalf but is also part elf and human.
@@cuchulain55... I kinda ment that Tolken was inpired by odin when writing Gandalf, like how he looks and acts. The fact that the Norse myths were a far greater influence on him, eg. the languages he created were quite Scandinavian. The story of the hobbit is large part lifted from Norse myth. And there was also the fact that Tolkien didnt like the distinctive French lineage of the Arthurian tales compared to a story like beawolf which seemed to appeal more to the Anglophille author.
@@Thomas...191 yes i know.:) i definately see that too. maybe i went into a little extra additionall detail.:)
@@Thomas...191 could i venture to suggest that the Welsh language was a far greater influence on Tolkien AFAIK Disclaimer: i haven't watched the lecture yet, i just lazily pottered down to the comments to get the sense of whether I'm keen).
However, as soon as you read about the Norse legend of Sigurd and Fafnir you realise that LOTR is not exactly original. It just fused different elements of mythology and linguistics, but if the work he borrowed from had copyright there wouldn't be much left of his tale if i can put it that way. I'm totally not an expert but i have Welsh ancestry and experience mild annoyance when this aspect is overlooked Because once you familiarise yourself with Welsh, which is connected to the ancient Brythonic tongue as the Celts were the original Britons, it's just kinda obvious.
This probably comes across like diffident hair splitting - i do happen to be in a very humid room with no windows and it's like almost 30 degrees Celsius - ie, not in Wales, but the other side of the world. But the reality is it's actually very interesting to make comparisons with the Norse myths, it can be quite satisfying to join the dots. And i do believe the Welsh landscape and language were influences moreso than the specific legend.
In the original story i think Sigurd is adopted but then for some reason learns his adoptive father is plotting to kill him (by gaining temporal power to listen in to animals). So he offs his father. And then there's wheeling and dealing which i think connects to Loki, an otter that was killed which turned out to be a family member of.. some kind of troll/ogre/goblin, i forget the right name.
Anyway i think gold is given by Loku to the troll king but there's a trick involved, perhaps a curse. The troll king gets murdered, perhaps by Fafnir the relative, brother of Sigurd's stepdad, if i haven't messed this up, and Fafnir legs it with the gold, turning into a dragon and descending to a mountain lair in order to hoard it, where Sigurd is eventually able to defeat him by taking advice from someone or something.
i actually don't remember anything about a ring in the context i was reading about it (and I'm trying to remember if the Nibelungen (??)!is a different but similar story or the same), but the idea of cursed gold is involved. In the Norse one, a bunch of rellos murder each other which seems to have been a popular theme, so that's another departure.
@@mothratemporalradio517 ... I too have a lot of Welsh ancestry. And have swapped the dampness of Britain for the scorching sun in... Ireland.... well ok a little different.
There are loads of interpretations of alot of those stories some with very different story lines for single characters. I suppose this reflects the mostly oral tradition from which they were generated. I quite like your version though; more succinct😉...
I do think the Nibelungen is kind of a separate story with some familiar characters. But really all I really remember of it was an curious familiarity with the magical ring etc.
Tolkien I think borrowed from these tales becuse he saw a lack of Anglo Saxon myths surviving. He kind of wanted to emalgamte one from the many.... one tale to rule them all i suppose 🤦♂️
I imagine Peter pan is another green man. Or boy.
was this at the Bodley Club?
This is wrong. If you use abstraction in your analysis always critique your analysis for what abstraction tends to miss! Abstraction picks up common elements between soties but leaves out meta commentary on the elements within one or the other or BOTH stories. The green man is structured differently from the heirarchical tale self sacrifice tale but uses its elements. Its from the pov of a self-sacrificing character but the monster is a castical monster. The monster isnt a corrupt king or the kings evile brother or the kings evil councilor or an evil brother of the Main character, its a woman behind the scenes who cursed a man into the character of a monster and simultaneously cursed his wife into the character of infidelity. The green man is very simple, a boy deals with polygamist problems with fidelity and this wins himself mercy from the husband, which is the only thing that saves his life. suffering a close call with the husband wins the boy a sash or an honor or a good reputation as one who respects the ties which bind society, which gains him leniency fron society. If there's a moral of the story its: respect other people's marriages. you never know if the husband is a monster (i would add) if the husband is able to support a family he probably has some monster in him, thats the point of puss in boots after all, a virtous man is less a strong man and more a civilized monster