As a Thai, I thought the topic sounds interesting. Your tips are very good and exactly right when fight the traditional Muaythai fighters fight under Kickboxing rules. I am always frustrated seeing some Muaythai fighters fight in Glory without being prepared for it. Anyway, I have subscribed your channel and love it! Have your great next fight! Good luck.
Thanks so much. It's hard making the transition to another fight sport. Muay thai fighters show amazing heart competing without clinch or elbows. Nothing but respect for them...ESPECIALLY the ones who start dominating kickboxing (Buakaw, Petch, Simon Marcus, etc).
will this work under a rule set where both styles are not limited?? the Thai fighter is limited on his tools such as the knees with the thai clinch and elbows.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial - *That's why I like JKD (Jeet Kune Do), cause it's taken the best moves from a lot of other martial arts to handle different scenarios.*
That was a good video from Gabe that I hadn't seen yet, thanks. Appreciate you actually watching him and then you recommending a video from him on the subject. That is trying to be helpful.
i actually use the long guard to defend combo punchers. a sson as they go for the body or a hook in general the rips are open for a devastating knee. ofc i have to eat some punches but if my defense is good the knee will definetly hurt more
For sure. First is stance. Make sure you square up and don't leave your leg open to getting chopped without checking the kick. And while we're on the subject make sure you practice blocking kicks A WHOLE LOT. 😉. Make sure your solid at disengaging from the clinch. Now it's your game. Counter kicks with punches. Stall or avoid the clinch. And give them a boxing lesson. Very fast, simple, explanation to a very detailed topic. I could make a video on that no problem. I just have to wait until we can get back to the gym. But I hope this helps.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial so build up my leg strength, cause I know that's what they'd go for, I'm a amateur boxer by the way,and also I believe all styles can be beaten,a striker can also beat a grappler, do you have a video on that
@@guts7958 I don't. Not yet. But I do have one on low kick conditioning. Very important. And exercises like squats, etc do not help in the same way. Conditioning is more about desensitizing the area. So be sure to check out that video. ua-cam.com/video/Zt0Jg2dEzVE/v-deo.html. 👍😀
I'm not a professional fighter but I do some martial arts ( taekwondo blackbelt, and freestyle wrestling ). I had a friend who was a Muay Thai fighter and I used to train with him. The first thing I found against him was that I need stronger thigh, the first time we fought he just throw his knee into my thigh and I wasn't able to walk properly for a couple days. Then I found If I just want to use taekwondo I will just damage myself because whenever I throw a kick into him he would respond with a damaging low kick into my thigh. The first time I managed to win the fight ( after 5 times ) I did another strategy, I just throw a no power dollyo to distract him to respond me with a counter-attack then I switched to the wrestling guard and I found if I could manage to catch him without getting hit by his elbow or knee wrestling gonna be the king because he had very low stability, and I could use it to throw him out of guard make setup for my spin kicks. By the way, your control over kicks is god tier. I don't how that's possible, I start taekwondo at 7 and I am blackbelt since 12 and I can not even think of having that much control.
Haha. Thanks. I've been training since I was about 6 or 7 so I've had lots of time to practice. Thigh conditioning is so important. Checkout my video on how I condition my legs. If you don't do it you won't last 3-4 low kicks. ua-cam.com/video/Zt0Jg2dEzVE/v-deo.html
You are excellent! Why do the trainers not teach these kinds of things??? It would make my life less miserable in those first fights... ;) I lost a fight because I let the opponent clinch me the whole time. I was slow to stop her from coming to me, and she was taller, so I lost, and she dominated in the clinch.
As a thai boxer, another simple way to get out of a clinch is to put your hands on the back of their head, press their chin into the top of your head and lift your head up as hard as you can, it grinds their chin against your skull and it's a horrible feeling for them
Without a doubt, Gabriel Varga is among the best and most knowledgeable kickboxers in the world and could probably win over many muay Thai fighters but generally muay thai is superior to kickboxing if clinch elbows and knee are allowed. Common kickboxers cannot win in a fight against the common muaythai fighter. SKILLED kickboxer beats commonly MEDIOCRE muay thai fighters. In other words, train hard ,become a better kickboxer and follow Varga's advice
Im asking cuz, I practice boxing, and I use both stances. Then I tried dutch kick boxing. The real problem was the kick checking. They were always hitting my front knee, cuz they couldnt outbox me. Then I learnt to use the side movement, so they couldnt hit me all the time, cuz checking was painful. Switching sides and kicking was pretty effective. Then I used once the oblique strike, and it was pretty hard hitting. I changed to southpaw and hit his front knee with my front right leg. He didnt kick for the rest of the match ,and was losing his balance easily. I know its dangerous but it's effective. Is it illegal?
I'll make a video on it. It wasn't as impossible as it seems when you implement the general strategy we create to fight opponents. Looking forward to sharing my thoughts on this.
@@intermaths1128 You can always prevent that with knees or elbow. Lethwei and Muay Thai keeps distance by push kicks or if their too close, knees, elbows,headbutts or kicks.
A joke compared to muay thai? I'm assuming that's what you mean as it's a very reoccurring attitude among muay thai fighters. Here's my thoughts. All fight sports are hard. Why call one a joke? Muay thai fighters will win at muay thai but won't beat boxers at boxing, kickboxers at kickboxing or mixed martial artists at MMA. And those 3 disciplines won't defeat a muay thai fighter at their own sport. Assuming athletes are elite and have similar skill levels. Muay thai fighters tell kickboxers it's not real fighting because there's no clinch or elbows. But remember mixed martial artists could say muay thai isn't real because it's only stand up. And still MMA is just a sport. We aren't fighting for our life so who's to say there isn't someone much scarier when it comes to no rules. In the end I say each is hard and if muay thai fighters want to come into kickboxing and then lose don't complain about the rule set. The lack of clinch and elbows was in the contract. I respect all disciplines whether they lack legs, elbows or whatever.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial You are correct to assume that that is what I meant. Reguarding grappling, throws such as those in Sanda (I've been training Kung Fu intensively for about 4 months) can be effective, but ground fighting rarely is. In a real fight to defend your life, bringing the fight to the ground can bring all sorts of unpredictable outcomes, and is almost never a smart move, even for a grappler...
??? I have twice. Both high level fighters with over 100 fights. It was kickboxing rules though. If muay thai would pay more... I'd love to get Saenchai. Lerdsila was good but not a legend.
@Ota Ku This isn't about Varga in particular. It's about Karate in general. It does NOT work! Looking for proofs? Well watch Rua vs Machida, watch Holzken vs Daniels, watch Sagat vs Pete Sugarfoot (bias, this one was ruled a draw), watch Changpuek vs Thompson (f*cking Thompson-Oyama cheat). In my other comment, I tell you why it won't work even with Varga's hacks added. Most karate dojos are dangerous f*cking sects. I sweeped & tossed to the ground the last 4th-degree Kyokushin I sparred with. I picked the mother f*cker up, showed respect, & started to take it easy on him. The mother f*cker went on to crack my pinky!! Learn something, your ignorance is getting me a headache!
Thanks. There's a weakness in every style. But easier to discover them than exploit them to win the fight. Muay thai practitioners have lots of ways to do the flip side of this video.
This is late, but yeah as a muay thai guy I've gotten around this (I throw 50/50 on basic rooted techniques and the flashy weird ones) and as a long gaurd lover there is that big flaw but there is a guy in my gym who managed to fix that and its hard to even get rhythm when he uses the gaurd 😂
@Omnivorous Here another thing is glove size.... in muay thai its 4oz so one hit does a lot more than in kickboxing 8oz or 10oz.... that's why thai boxers dont throw long complex combos cause they need to conserve energy not for attack, but to be able to take a hit and even defending will hurt like a bitch. I've watch a mauy thai fighter dominate a kick boxer in a kick boxing match but he lost when he got disqualified for kicking the kickboxer while he was falling down after a sweep which I'd allowed in some muay thai rule sets.... but YES IT ALL DEPENDS ON RULES AND CIRCUMSTANCES
There's one huge weakness if I noticed in Muay Thai while training in it, it's the overglorification of constantly using roundhouse kicks in training & sparring & competition every single time. I don't know why roundhouse kicks have became this Gung Ho move where every other kicks was just rarely being used. Even teeps are a rare thing these days.
Wow!! This is a very good video. As a Thai and practicing Muay Thai I am aware of the disadvantages and the correction of my use of Muay Thai Now I'm trying to mix my Dutch and Muay Thai.
#1 way to beat a Muay Thai figher: Fight them under kickboxing rules so they can’t elbow or use a real clinch. Then make vids about beating Thai Boxers 😂😂😂
i have a really traditional thai style and these are spot on some of my weaknesses. I'm also personally bad against fighters who move around a lot and taller people (I'm 5'6"). I'm trying to learn more kickboxing style and use my hands and move around more. probably doesn't apply to all muay thai fighters, some thai style people use their hands and move around a lot like saenchai and samart, but this is just for me.
Great tips! About #5, its kinda tricky because the rules of many kickboxing organizations allow for a fair deal of clinching, but I don't think most kickboxers train enough clinching to reflect this. Glory's official rules allows for 5 full seconds, which is basically the same as you get in Rajadamnern(although most Glory refs will break it faster). I often see guys trying to neutralize the clinch over and over while the other guy is getting in a little knee here or there, and even though the strikes might seem really insignificant if a judge is watching that they are going to see one guy doing what he wants to do and the other guy hoping for the ref to help him.
It's frustrating that judges aren't consistent with the clinching time and rules. I stopped working clinching about 4 years ago. Fortunately neutralizing the clinch is much easier than being great at clinch work. Everyone should do a little of it because once a muay thai fighter gets ahold of you, you need an answer or they will keep on working the clinch and knees. My take on it.
I completely agree with these tactics. I am a TaeKwonDo practitioner who trains with MT fighters. I was getting murdered up close so I started using the Gracie Ju Jitsu principles of keeping them in tight so you nullify the clinch. They want space to work elbows and knees. take it away (and use your head to push them off centre) and you can, very effectively, neutralise the clinch. I also found that throwing non-Muay Thai techniques was super effective . The thing I've learned watching this video is to avoid middle kicks. While I could sometimes get away with the side kick, turning kicks were caught a few times. I have had success throwing doubles to the middle though. Great vid. Cheers.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial what type of running do you do in those 5 days? Like long distance, uphill, sprints, intervals? What do you find is the most effective for stamina?
@@brachavo1833 Pretty much all of them except long distance. Nothing over 5 km for me. Kickboxing is only 5 round max so we don't need to prepare for a long 12 round fight. I don't think running 10k is the most effective for short fights.
I've trained in Muay Thai and American Boxing myself and love them. Maybe not under Muay Thai rules, but I could see this working under Kickboxing rules for sure. Good video😊
Thanks man. Yes. I'm talking kickboxing rules. These tips wouldn't be effective under muay thai rules. But I know these work in GLORY or K-1 rules because I've won fights against thai fighters using these methods.
@@clapdrix72 you could still use some of these tips under Muay Thai rules, you have to adapt a bit though. Blocking with the forearms is still a point under Thai rules, also elbows would play a major factor when applying these tactics
Instead of this video I kinda prefer to see the professional breaking down the difference between Muay Thai and kick boxing moves (cut out the elbows and all the uncommon stuff but compare all the things both styles have in common).
Nobody in 90 kg can throow 170 punches in combos like with 65 kg in a fight. It is impossible. You are in a weight very fast but heavyweights should be more efficents, deffensives and take the control of the fight with other methods. I think
One of your best videos yet mr. Gabriel Varga; ( and that's saying somethin; thank you for producing the amazing content; it's extremely helpful I'm coaching myself and my students;much gratitude my friend!!
Oooo. I do love watching Japanese kickboxers. Hands are on point (especially the counters). Awesome kicks. A bit weaker in the clinch but a solid kickboxing country no doubt.
Muay thai fighters are great at muay thai. They'd wreck anyone in the clinch but as you said don't have any training on the ground. But every time you change the rules to a sport it's a whole new world.
These are similar tactics that dutch fighters use against him. The issue is he's so much better than most of them. Or anyone in the world. But the tactics work when you get high level dutch fighters like Andy Souwer or Albert Kraus who fought and beat him (although they also lost to him). If I was fighting Buakaw (without the weight class difference) this is exactly what I would use.
Haha. Yes. That's an option. I didn't go that route because I'm already a kickboxer and wasn't interested in switching my style. So I guess this video is for people who are similar to me and want to stick to their fight style. But simply being better is always a good solution.
The only problem eith not clinchjng and not throwing middle (body) kicks is that you wont score too many points. So is this more of a way to knock them out?
You need to have also a pretty strong leg to defend against their very strong lowkick. If you're a boxing dominant like Gab, you lead leg is always on heavy weight making them very susceptible to lowkicks. You gotta have the grit enough to counter their lowkicks not with checks but with bracing and doing lots of combos after and overwhelm them. Still gotta drill them a lot tho thanks a lot man
I was just wondering do you switch kick often as I see a lot kick boxers don’t use the switch kick they just kick there lead leg in the front without switching
I mean it’s a pretty broad area since there are different styles for different Muay Thai fighters but yea. Personally I value my higher level kicks, and actually I value a lot of my boxing defense. Since I train in the west more. so personally some tips would be better against my style and that’s if I don’t make changes and change, and don’t adapt. But all in all great vid.
Thanks dude. You're right. It's a broad topic and I could easily make this video an hour long to cover all the details and changes required for different muay thai fighters. These are just my quick suggestions for the normal muay thai stylist.
@Purger Of Heretics Thanks. It was really sticking to the strategy and not being intimidated by him. He is a defensive master but you can only slip so many shots. Combos are great against guys like Lerdsila.
Still Muay Thai is most effective art in the world... usually thai fighter's don't prefer high kick or middle kicks usually we prefer strong low kicks and the distance with the footwork after landing a shots and counter attack, doing sweeps with the fake kick or clinch. The master of the art like saenchai,lerdisila and buakaw will eat you...agree Muay Thai have less techniques but each technique works effectively, fighting under the rules of Muay Thai is harder to fighter of the this because of clinch mind games poking elbows, sometimes the headbutts everything I mean come on man complete stand up striking art with grappling as well as locks.
@@stanclark3992 brother there are things which make this art superior to any martial arts,... practicing and conditioning let's keep this apart,...it's an art of eight limbs,Muay Thai stance is proven as the best stance in the world of fighting,our guard while striking,our footwork, balancing speed with techniques both with the power,.. striking ability during the footwork,and moreover what makes us unique compare to others is that every Thai fighter the can study his opponents during the fight.... moreover there's a clinch, grappling and sweeps which are 100% effective,and in advance level of Muay Thai we come across with the Harmony of traditional techniques, like mema Muay Thai, the art with the ability of matrix,best example: lerdisila,samrat, legendary saenchai....and the best thing about this art is it makes you fearless by doing sparring session, fact Muay Thai fighter's can survive more hits than any fighter's,...if you're talking about a techniques we don't need to apply our advance techniques in a fight,we can win with the basic techniques.... doesn't mean our advance technique won't work,every technique is 100% effective.
Solid performance against one of the best ever. I remember watching that fight being super impressed someone was able to push Buakaw like that. What a great win.
Does Lerdsila count? Rajadamnern Stadium champion with over 200 fights. Beat him when I had about 20 fights. Used some of the suggestions in the video to get the win. Plus fought lots of other muay thai champs within North America. Again using the tips from the video. I make suggestions and give advice after it's already worked for me.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial yeah but thats traditional mui tai fighters but many in the art adapt to apponents fighting style and learns there weaknesses and dont make same mistakes just sticking with there style alone.
@@E.a.Z.S.e.n.T Absolutely. That's just a good game plan. I like seeing thai fighters who can beat most people using their traditional style. But I'm even more impressed by thai fighters who can adapt. Buakaw showed he pretty good hands and nice head movement. That was cool to see.
If you will be better than Muay Thai You must be brave to use any weapon, punch your feet, knees, elbows or even your head like Burmese boxing You win muay thai just because he misses, yes you win, but if there is a 2, 3, 4 or 5 times, you will lose muay thai because muay thai is the most dangerous. It's not a martial art, it's a real martial art.
This argument always seems hollow to me. Kickboxers tell boxers it's only hands and not real. Muay thai tells kickboxing it's only 6 attacks but missing elbows...not real. MMA can tell muay thai you're not doing ground work so it's not even close to a real fight. 😆 NONE of them are real fights. They are all games with rules. I know more ground work than muay thai fighters because of my MMA fights. I don't tell muay thai fighters what they are doing isn't real. They are all legit but are still just a sport.
You can't defeat Thai fighters dude. Your best chance is to cut them so the referee steps in and ends the bout. Note that doesn't mean you have defeated them. It only means you got lucky with the rules! Here is my take on your tips. 1- Thais will break your boxing as the bout proceeds and you continue to counter middle-round kicks (roundhouses!) as you do in the video. 2- A Thai will keep you at the edge with teeps from the second round onwards. Feel free to shadow-boxing combinations and hit the sky! 3- Crazy techniques you say? I do that sometimes with them. But unlike you (playing smart), I know that I can't carry on with crazy techniques throughout the bout. I know that they will get my tricks sooner or later. A spinning kick will connect only once. Thais will dash and sweep you from the second spinning onwards. Thais don't sweep, not because they're traditional, but because spinning kicks are high-risk high-reward. You also call a super-man punch an unorthodox technique that Thais aren't accustomed to!! Well, the super-man punch originated in Muay Thai. It's called the cobra punch. It was adapted to the super-man punch by westerns. This made it less effective! 4- Why not throwing roundhouses?! There is something they call escaping the catch and counter. With that, you can do a lot of things. Throwing roundhouses also gets your Thai opponent to think about where to place his. 5- Nullifying the clinch as you demonstrate it in the video is roughly impossible without getting kneed. Altogether, it seems to me that you're selling some Oyama snake-oil (you know what I mean!) in this video. But remember that the last karateka to defeat a Thai was a cheat (spinning kick)!!
G P don’t be dumb any style can be beaten Muay Thai is highly effective but as is Dutch kickboxing and actually it’s rare you see thais win in lethwei so by your logic that’s the one you can’t defeat
@@awesomezombie4565 Еxactly! Following the logic of these pricks,for example, a BJJ practitioner can't be smoked by a thai fighter just because the BJJ can grab legs and easily take down the opponent who threw the kick/knee,then on the ground from mount or any position,the bjj would seek opportunities for submissions and what if the muay-thai fighter has no clue how to counter submissions? He is going to be like stunned.
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As a Thai, I thought the topic sounds interesting. Your tips are very good and exactly right when fight the traditional Muaythai fighters fight under Kickboxing rules. I am always frustrated seeing some Muaythai fighters fight in Glory without being prepared for it.
Anyway, I have subscribed your channel and love it!
Have your great next fight! Good luck.
Thanks so much.
It's hard making the transition to another fight sport.
Muay thai fighters show amazing heart competing without clinch or elbows.
Nothing but respect for them...ESPECIALLY the ones who start dominating kickboxing (Buakaw, Petch, Simon Marcus, etc).
will this work under a rule set where both styles are not limited?? the Thai fighter is limited on his tools such as the knees with the thai clinch and elbows.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial - *That's why I like JKD (Jeet Kune Do), cause it's taken the best moves from a lot of other martial arts to handle different scenarios.*
That was a good video from Gabe that I hadn't seen yet, thanks. Appreciate you actually watching him and then you recommending a video from him on the subject. That is trying to be helpful.
Thanks Gabe, I needed the tip on the clinch.
Great content as usual! Really enjoying your videos champ!
Thanks.
i actually use the long guard to defend combo punchers. a sson as they go for the body or a hook in general the rips are open for a devastating knee. ofc i have to eat some punches but if my defense is good the knee will definetly hurt more
Idk man that sounds like a pretty big hole in your defense
this vid is THE secret to defeat them all, i love it 🤩
It's not bulletproof but will definitely help.
A good muaythai fighter could escalate this
Awesome tips... i am a taekwondo fighter who is getting into muay thai and this tips really made sense... i had to subscribe
Glad to have you here and thanks for the sub!
any tips for a boxer fighting a muay thai fighter
For sure. First is stance. Make sure you square up and don't leave your leg open to getting chopped without checking the kick. And while we're on the subject make sure you practice blocking kicks A WHOLE LOT. 😉. Make sure your solid at disengaging from the clinch.
Now it's your game. Counter kicks with punches. Stall or avoid the clinch. And give them a boxing lesson.
Very fast, simple, explanation to a very detailed topic. I could make a video on that no problem. I just have to wait until we can get back to the gym.
But I hope this helps.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial so build up my leg strength, cause I know that's what they'd go for, I'm a amateur boxer by the way,and also I believe all styles can be beaten,a striker can also beat a grappler, do you have a video on that
@@guts7958 I don't. Not yet. But I do have one on low kick conditioning. Very important. And exercises like squats, etc do not help in the same way.
Conditioning is more about desensitizing the area. So be sure to check out that video. ua-cam.com/video/Zt0Jg2dEzVE/v-deo.html. 👍😀
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I'm not a professional fighter but I do some martial arts ( taekwondo blackbelt, and freestyle wrestling ). I had a friend who was a Muay Thai fighter and I used to train with him. The first thing I found against him was that I need stronger thigh, the first time we fought he just throw his knee into my thigh and I wasn't able to walk properly for a couple days. Then I found If I just want to use taekwondo I will just damage myself because whenever I throw a kick into him he would respond with a damaging low kick into my thigh. The first time I managed to win the fight ( after 5 times ) I did another strategy, I just throw a no power dollyo to distract him to respond me with a counter-attack then I switched to the wrestling guard and I found if I could manage to catch him without getting hit by his elbow or knee wrestling gonna be the king because he had very low stability, and I could use it to throw him out of guard make setup for my spin kicks.
By the way, your control over kicks is god tier. I don't how that's possible, I start taekwondo at 7 and I am blackbelt since 12 and I can not even think of having that much control.
Haha. Thanks. I've been training since I was about 6 or 7 so I've had lots of time to practice.
Thigh conditioning is so important. Checkout my video on how I condition my legs. If you don't do it you won't last 3-4 low kicks.
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You are excellent! Why do the trainers not teach these kinds of things??? It would make my life less miserable in those first fights... ;) I lost a fight because I let the opponent clinch me the whole time. I was slow to stop her from coming to me, and she was taller, so I lost, and she dominated in the clinch.
As a thai boxer, another simple way to get out of a clinch is to put your hands on the back of their head, press their chin into the top of your head and lift your head up as hard as you can, it grinds their chin against your skull and it's a horrible feeling for them
Great video!
My 8 years son figh next 2 week i need some video with conditioning program
Without a doubt, Gabriel Varga is among the best and most knowledgeable kickboxers in the world and could probably win over many muay Thai fighters but generally muay thai is superior to kickboxing if clinch elbows and knee are allowed. Common kickboxers cannot win in a fight against the common muaythai fighter. SKILLED kickboxer beats commonly MEDIOCRE muay thai fighters. In other words, train hard ,become a better kickboxer and follow Varga's advice
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I am a Taekwondo guy. How can I defeat a Muay Thai guy? Shall I go for side and spinning back kicks???
Is oblique kick (a strike to opponent's knee) illegal? Cuz im pretty sure, with some good boxing and this strike, you can win.
Im asking cuz, I practice boxing, and I use both stances. Then I tried dutch kick boxing. The real problem was the kick checking. They were always hitting my front knee, cuz they couldnt outbox me. Then I learnt to use the side movement, so they couldnt hit me all the time, cuz checking was painful. Switching sides and kicking was pretty effective. Then I used once the oblique strike, and it was pretty hard hitting. I changed to southpaw and hit his front knee with my front right leg. He didnt kick for the rest of the match ,and was losing his balance easily. I know its dangerous but it's effective. Is it illegal?
You are not suppose to target joints but I see lots of knee attacks so you could probably get away with it.
Good boxing and low kicks goes a long way.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial thank you.
How Did you manage to get a W against Lerdsila? He Seems a guy who is hard to prepare too
I'll make a video on it.
It wasn't as impossible as it seems when you implement the general strategy we create to fight opponents.
Looking forward to sharing my thoughts on this.
Gabriel Varga that’d be awesome!
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How to defeat a Muay Thai Fighter: Lethwei
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@@shadownote-world Watch all of Soe Lin Oo’s fights, you will who falls first. Muay Thai fighters or the Burmese warrior.
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How to defeat all of them: grappling
@@intermaths1128 You can always prevent that with knees or elbow. Lethwei and Muay Thai keeps distance by push kicks or if their too close, knees, elbows,headbutts or kicks.
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No you can't, watch khabib...one mistake and the striker gets grabbed, once It happens It is game over
kickboxing is a joke change my mind
A joke compared to muay thai? I'm assuming that's what you mean as it's a very reoccurring attitude among muay thai fighters.
Here's my thoughts. All fight sports are hard. Why call one a joke? Muay thai fighters will win at muay thai but won't beat boxers at boxing, kickboxers at kickboxing or mixed martial artists at MMA. And those 3 disciplines won't defeat a muay thai fighter at their own sport.
Assuming athletes are elite and have similar skill levels.
Muay thai fighters tell kickboxers it's not real fighting because there's no clinch or elbows. But remember mixed martial artists could say muay thai isn't real because it's only stand up. And still MMA is just a sport. We aren't fighting for our life so who's to say there isn't someone much scarier when it comes to no rules.
In the end I say each is hard and if muay thai fighters want to come into kickboxing and then lose don't complain about the rule set. The lack of clinch and elbows was in the contract.
I respect all disciplines whether they lack legs, elbows or whatever.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial You are correct to assume that that is what I meant. Reguarding grappling, throws such as those in Sanda (I've been training Kung Fu intensively for about 4 months) can be effective, but ground fighting rarely is. In a real fight to defend your life, bringing the fight to the ground can bring all sorts of unpredictable outcomes, and is almost never a smart move, even for a grappler...
You can't defeat Thai fighters dude
??? I have twice. Both high level fighters with over 100 fights. It was kickboxing rules though. If muay thai would pay more...
I'd love to get Saenchai. Lerdsila was good but not a legend.
@Ota Ku Don't just tell me watch. Read my other comment & respond to me in a sport-scientific manner!
@Ota Ku Exactly.
@Ota Ku This isn't about Varga in particular. It's about Karate in general. It does NOT work! Looking for proofs? Well watch Rua vs Machida, watch Holzken vs Daniels, watch Sagat vs Pete Sugarfoot (bias, this one was ruled a draw), watch Changpuek vs Thompson (f*cking Thompson-Oyama cheat).
In my other comment, I tell you why it won't work even with Varga's hacks added.
Most karate dojos are dangerous f*cking sects. I sweeped & tossed to the ground the last 4th-degree Kyokushin I sparred with. I picked the mother f*cker up, showed respect, & started to take it easy on him. The mother f*cker went on to crack my pinky!!
Learn something, your ignorance is getting me a headache!
Muay Thai is greatest of all....can not beat a real fighter...
Very good tips. As a Muay Thai practitioner myself, I could see the weakness of my fighting style.
Thanks.
There's a weakness in every style. But easier to discover them than exploit them to win the fight. Muay thai practitioners have lots of ways to do the flip side of this video.
Very, very much like what the Dutch has done...and continues to do. Ramon Dekkers would be very proud.
Man finding a guy like u is like finding a dinosaur nowadays much respect 😉😉
This is late, but yeah as a muay thai guy I've gotten around this (I throw 50/50 on basic rooted techniques and the flashy weird ones) and as a long gaurd lover there is that big flaw but there is a guy in my gym who managed to fix that and its hard to even get rhythm when he uses the gaurd 😂
@Omnivorous Here another thing is glove size.... in muay thai its 4oz so one hit does a lot more than in kickboxing 8oz or 10oz.... that's why thai boxers dont throw long complex combos cause they need to conserve energy not for attack, but to be able to take a hit and even defending will hurt like a bitch. I've watch a mauy thai fighter dominate a kick boxer in a kick boxing match but he lost when he got disqualified for kicking the kickboxer while he was falling down after a sweep which I'd allowed in some muay thai rule sets.... but YES IT ALL DEPENDS ON RULES AND CIRCUMSTANCES
amazing video!
There's one huge weakness if I noticed in Muay Thai while training in it, it's the overglorification of constantly using roundhouse kicks in training & sparring & competition every single time. I don't know why roundhouse kicks have became this Gung Ho move where every other kicks was just rarely being used. Even teeps are a rare thing these days.
I am a karate black belt and I wanna defeat the champ to save the glory of karate
Wow!! This is a very good video. As a Thai and practicing Muay Thai
I am aware of the disadvantages and the correction of my use of Muay Thai
Now I'm trying to mix my Dutch and Muay Thai.
be faster than them...so that they never catch you..when you run the hell out from there
No
#1 way to beat a Muay Thai figher: Fight them under kickboxing rules so they can’t elbow or use a real clinch.
Then make vids about beating Thai Boxers 😂😂😂
i have a really traditional thai style and these are spot on some of my weaknesses. I'm also personally bad against fighters who move around a lot and taller people (I'm 5'6"). I'm trying to learn more kickboxing style and use my hands and move around more. probably doesn't apply to all muay thai fighters, some thai style people use their hands and move around a lot like saenchai and samart, but this is just for me.
no matter what style, nothing beats a massive kick to the cock or cunt followed up by an eye gouge or throat punch
Great tips! About #5, its kinda tricky because the rules of many kickboxing organizations allow for a fair deal of clinching, but I don't think most kickboxers train enough clinching to reflect this. Glory's official rules allows for 5 full seconds, which is basically the same as you get in Rajadamnern(although most Glory refs will break it faster). I often see guys trying to neutralize the clinch over and over while the other guy is getting in a little knee here or there, and even though the strikes might seem really insignificant if a judge is watching that they are going to see one guy doing what he wants to do and the other guy hoping for the ref to help him.
It's frustrating that judges aren't consistent with the clinching time and rules.
I stopped working clinching about 4 years ago.
Fortunately neutralizing the clinch is much easier than being great at clinch work.
Everyone should do a little of it because once a muay thai fighter gets ahold of you, you need an answer or they will keep on working the clinch and knees.
My take on it.
Enfusion,kunlun fight
I completely agree with these tactics. I am a TaeKwonDo practitioner who trains with MT fighters. I was getting murdered up close so I started using the Gracie Ju Jitsu principles of keeping them in tight so you nullify the clinch. They want space to work elbows and knees. take it away (and use your head to push them off centre) and you can, very effectively, neutralise the clinch. I also found that throwing non-Muay Thai techniques was super effective . The thing I've learned watching this video is to avoid middle kicks. While I could sometimes get away with the side kick, turning kicks were caught a few times. I have had success throwing doubles to the middle though. Great vid. Cheers.
Hey champ how many times a week do you do weight training? Just wondering because it seems like you do a lot of cardio.
In training camp only once a week. Only because cardio is my priority and I don't have energy to do both. Run 5 days and weights 1 day per week.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial what type of running do you do in those 5 days? Like long distance, uphill, sprints, intervals? What do you find is the most effective for stamina?
@@brachavo1833 Pretty much all of them except long distance. Nothing over 5 km for me. Kickboxing is only 5 round max so we don't need to prepare for a long 12 round fight. I don't think running 10k is the most effective for short fights.
I've trained in Muay Thai and American Boxing myself and love them. Maybe not under Muay Thai rules, but I could see this working under Kickboxing rules for sure. Good video😊
Thanks man.
Yes. I'm talking kickboxing rules. These tips wouldn't be effective under muay thai rules.
But I know these work in GLORY or K-1 rules because I've won fights against thai fighters using these methods.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial Why wouldn't they work under Muay Thai rules?
U need to go to a actual muay thai camp not no American camp in thailand its a whole different experience and exercise compare to American muay thai
@@clapdrix72 you could still use some of these tips under Muay Thai rules, you have to adapt a bit though. Blocking with the forearms is still a point under Thai rules, also elbows would play a major factor when applying these tactics
@@clapdrix72 the techniques you can use and the scoring system of the two sports are different
side point on long guard - that is why my muay thai coach always said long guard should only be used as a quick transition into a clinch
Yes. Over use the long guard without movement and this happens against a good kickboxer:
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Instead of this video I kinda prefer to see the professional breaking down the difference between Muay Thai and kick boxing moves (cut out the elbows and all the uncommon stuff but compare all the things both styles have in common).
Nobody in 90 kg can throow 170 punches in combos like with 65 kg in a fight. It is impossible. You are in a weight very fast but heavyweights should be more efficents, deffensives and take the control of the fight with other methods. I think
damn you and your sparring partner look like video game characters during that demo spar thing
Thank you for this advice. How do you punch with power, so that the Muay Thai fighter is afraid to come back?
A little update for u we Thais realized our defense is terrible so many Muay Thai fighters apply other styles to sharpen their defense now.
One of your best videos yet mr. Gabriel Varga; ( and that's saying somethin; thank you for producing the amazing content; it's extremely helpful I'm coaching myself and my students;much gratitude my friend!!
Glad you enjoyed it and you find it helpful 💪
Awesome! Thanks for this
Muay thai is not the most efficient striking in the world. Japanese kickboxing is
Oooo. I do love watching Japanese kickboxers.
Hands are on point (especially the counters). Awesome kicks. A bit weaker in the clinch but a solid kickboxing country no doubt.
Thank you very much for this video.
Toshio Fujiwara did most of this, that's why he mostly wins againts thais
My thai grandma didnt stand a chance💪🏾🗿
thanjyou very much^^ always thai fighters very difficult haha because of distance
Yes. Got to get past the kicks but not fall to the clinch. It's achievable though.
Muay thais might look intimidating but to be honest they are not good fighters. Any mma guy or a wrestler can beat them
Muay thai fighters are great at muay thai. They'd wreck anyone in the clinch but as you said don't have any training on the ground.
But every time you change the rules to a sport it's a whole new world.
im an ajarn. its no as sinple as u think
I don't think it's that hard
Try this against buakaw.
These are similar tactics that dutch fighters use against him. The issue is he's so much better than most of them. Or anyone in the world.
But the tactics work when you get high level dutch fighters like Andy Souwer or Albert Kraus who fought and beat him (although they also lost to him). If I was fighting Buakaw (without the weight class difference) this is exactly what I would use.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial yea bro, it's actually the practitioner mainly both have flows and both have advantages.
There's a simple answer how to beat a Muay Thai fighter. Learn Muay Thai and be better than the other fighter.
Haha. Yes. That's an option.
I didn't go that route because I'm already a kickboxer and wasn't interested in switching my style. So I guess this video is for people who are similar to me and want to stick to their fight style.
But simply being better is always a good solution.
ua-cam.com/video/7Xcv4TOebzI/v-deo.html Lol the sanda fighter breaks the Thai
Amazing
The only problem eith not clinchjng and not throwing middle (body) kicks is that you wont score too many points. So is this more of a way to knock them out?
You need to have also a pretty strong leg to defend against their very strong lowkick. If you're a boxing dominant like Gab, you lead leg is always on heavy weight making them very susceptible to lowkicks. You gotta have the grit enough to counter their lowkicks not with checks but with bracing and doing lots of combos after and overwhelm them. Still gotta drill them a lot tho thanks a lot man
So basically master the long range and really close range, stay out of the mid range
I was just wondering do you switch kick often as I see a lot kick boxers don’t use the switch kick they just kick there lead leg in the front without switching
I mean it’s a pretty broad area since there are different styles for different Muay Thai fighters but yea. Personally I value my higher level kicks, and actually I value a lot of my boxing defense. Since I train in the west more. so personally some tips would be better against my style and that’s if I don’t make changes and change, and don’t adapt. But all in all great vid.
Thanks dude. You're right. It's a broad topic and I could easily make this video an hour long to cover all the details and changes required for different muay thai fighters.
These are just my quick suggestions for the normal muay thai stylist.
Gabriel Varga yea ofc ur the Man U beat a defensive and evasive G.O.A.T like lerdsila.
@Purger Of Heretics Thanks. It was really sticking to the strategy and not being intimidated by him.
He is a defensive master but you can only slip so many shots. Combos are great against guys like Lerdsila.
So basically the way to defeat a Muay Thai fighter is to also fight Muay Thai haha
Thanks for these.
Thanks for the support.
Thank you i have a fight coming up here in 4 weeks, hes a muay thai guy
I’m fighting a miau Thai guy this weekend thanks for this
0:49 omg u'd be dead with no defense
Boss please show a link where you fight
Yea until u fight a mt fighter who also does mix martial arts
I just beat Sanchai thanks lol
Still Muay Thai is most effective art in the world... usually thai fighter's don't prefer high kick or middle kicks usually we prefer strong low kicks and the distance with the footwork after landing a shots and counter attack, doing sweeps with the fake kick or clinch. The master of the art like saenchai,lerdisila and buakaw will eat you...agree Muay Thai have less techniques but each technique works effectively, fighting under the rules of Muay Thai is harder to fighter of the this because of clinch mind games poking elbows, sometimes the headbutts everything I mean come on man complete stand up striking art with grappling as well as locks.
@@stanclark3992 brother there are things which make this art superior to any martial arts,... practicing and conditioning let's keep this apart,...it's an art of eight limbs,Muay Thai stance is proven as the best stance in the world of fighting,our guard while striking,our footwork, balancing speed with techniques both with the power,.. striking ability during the footwork,and moreover what makes us unique compare to others is that every Thai fighter the can study his opponents during the fight.... moreover there's a clinch, grappling and sweeps which are 100% effective,and in advance level of Muay Thai we come across with the Harmony of traditional techniques, like mema Muay Thai, the art with the ability of matrix,best example: lerdisila,samrat, legendary saenchai....and the best thing about this art is it makes you fearless by doing sparring session, fact Muay Thai fighter's can survive more hits than any fighter's,...if you're talking about a techniques we don't need to apply our advance techniques in a fight,we can win with the basic techniques.... doesn't mean our advance technique won't work,every technique is 100% effective.
Clear and concise.
This was cool!
Nice post
Brilliant!!!
Thanks.
Thanks, Now i know how to beat my muay thai learner friend
Haha. Helping friends punch friends.
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Solid performance against one of the best ever. I remember watching that fight being super impressed someone was able to push Buakaw like that.
What a great win.
yeah right fight a mui tai champ then talk.. not proven just theory
Does Lerdsila count?
Rajadamnern Stadium champion with over 200 fights. Beat him when I had about 20 fights.
Used some of the suggestions in the video to get the win.
Plus fought lots of other muay thai champs within North America. Again using the tips from the video.
I make suggestions and give advice after it's already worked for me.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial yeah but thats traditional mui tai fighters but many in the art adapt to apponents fighting style and learns there weaknesses and dont make same mistakes just sticking with there style alone.
@@E.a.Z.S.e.n.T Absolutely. That's just a good game plan.
I like seeing thai fighters who can beat most people using their traditional style. But I'm even more impressed by thai fighters who can adapt. Buakaw showed he pretty good hands and nice head movement. That was cool to see.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial right you know what im talking about.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial so you got any videos of you fighting in a ring professionaly?
your fight with lerdsila is just like fight i read in kengan omega kaolan wogswat vs carlos medal , waaoo i love your spining punch to ledsila..
I like the spinning backfist as well. After landing it I threw it too many times after hoping it would land again 😂
@@GabrielVargaOfficial yeah most powerful attack is a surprise attack, i believe Lerdsila also learned from it.
@@TheTHUSWORD 100%. I don't think he's ever get caught with a hard spinning backfist again. He's just too good to make that error twice.
@@GabrielVargaOfficial do you also practiced with saenchai?? or planned to fight him?
The Most important thing is fighting them outside Asia, it really is!
bwahaha.,..
I’m training inThailand right now and plan on fighting as Well. Great tips, gonna use them for sure!
Style win fight,I think I can beat Muay thai fighter!
Awesome tips champ! Thanks for sharing your knowledge as always!
Very happy to. Thanks for the comment.
U can't beat TongPo!! 555
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If you will be better than Muay Thai You must be brave to use any weapon, punch your feet, knees, elbows or even your head like Burmese boxing You win muay thai just because he misses, yes you win, but if there is a 2, 3, 4 or 5 times, you will lose muay thai because muay thai is the most dangerous. It's not a martial art, it's a real martial art.
This argument always seems hollow to me.
Kickboxers tell boxers it's only hands and not real.
Muay thai tells kickboxing it's only 6 attacks but missing elbows...not real.
MMA can tell muay thai you're not doing ground work so it's not even close to a real fight.
😆 NONE of them are real fights. They are all games with rules.
I know more ground work than muay thai fighters because of my MMA fights. I don't tell muay thai fighters what they are doing isn't real.
They are all legit but are still just a sport.
Thank you! My grandmother won’t have a chance now!
I love Muay Thai and this is helpful to avoid these techniques so not only am I learning the counters I’m learning to counter these moves
You can't defeat Thai fighters dude. Your best chance is to cut them so the referee steps in and ends the bout. Note that doesn't mean you have defeated them. It only means you got lucky with the rules!
Here is my take on your tips.
1- Thais will break your boxing as the bout proceeds and you continue to counter middle-round kicks (roundhouses!) as you do in the video.
2- A Thai will keep you at the edge with teeps from the second round onwards. Feel free to shadow-boxing combinations and hit the sky!
3- Crazy techniques you say? I do that sometimes with them. But unlike you (playing smart), I know that I can't carry on with crazy techniques throughout the bout. I know that they will get my tricks sooner or later. A spinning kick will connect only once. Thais will dash and sweep you from the second spinning onwards. Thais don't sweep, not because they're traditional, but because spinning kicks are high-risk high-reward. You also call a super-man punch an unorthodox technique that Thais aren't accustomed to!! Well, the super-man punch originated in Muay Thai. It's called the cobra punch. It was adapted to the super-man punch by westerns. This made it less effective!
4- Why not throwing roundhouses?! There is something they call escaping the catch and counter. With that, you can do a lot of things. Throwing roundhouses also gets your Thai opponent to think about where to place his.
5- Nullifying the clinch as you demonstrate it in the video is roughly impossible without getting kneed.
Altogether, it seems to me that you're selling some Oyama snake-oil (you know what I mean!) in this video. But remember that the last karateka to defeat a Thai was a cheat (spinning kick)!!
G P don’t be dumb any style can be beaten Muay Thai is highly effective but as is Dutch kickboxing and actually it’s rare you see thais win in lethwei so by your logic that’s the one you can’t defeat
@Windows xD I think that Thai guy would have won he wouldn't got carried away and let that dude get a hold of him
@@awesomezombie4565 Еxactly! Following the logic of these pricks,for example, a BJJ practitioner can't be smoked by a thai fighter just because the BJJ can grab legs and easily take down the opponent who threw the kick/knee,then on the ground from mount or any position,the bjj would seek opportunities for submissions and what if the muay-thai fighter has no clue how to counter submissions? He is going to be like stunned.
@@anastastsankov5479 I’ve done various martial arts before settling on my love of mma and I’ve learned every style has giant exploitable weaknesses no one’s untouchable
@@awesomezombie4565 right
A good Wrestler with good Boxing would maul a Muay Thai fighter in the ground