If you make trash fake videos and put them into the universe for others to view you have to be willing to take the feedback that comes along with it. I think it was very very kind Ken even asked that kid if he was okay with him making the video because he had 0 let me repeat 0 responsibility to ask his permission his video and clips used were 100% fair use. I get protecting your friends but Ken did nothing wrong here
I know it’s been ages since this all happened, but Kenadian was very mature and collected when responding to it. He admitted his mistakes, showed how he saw the situation, and gave all the info and context that he knew of. This is a very respectful way to handle controversy, and I majorly applaud Kenadian for being so honest and mature.
respect for the good response, i apologize for the overreaction and thank you for acknowledging my original issue with dont hate on cmrn. my video was privated because swirl said what i wanted to say more in depth but turns out the video wasnt needed. and finally cmrn didnt send us to do anything it was both me and swirls own ideas please dont think bad of him. again sorry for the overreaction but thank you for understand what i wanted to say!
i'm shocked that's a possible problem in the first place... imagine making constant apology videos apologizing to more and more people every time because your previous apology video summoned the friends of the person the video is apologizing to so they can avenge the person you apologized to because commenters decided to harass them...
*4:23* This part genuinely got a VERY good chuckle out of me, as literally just today I was browsing your "about" part of the channel and noticed that despite your name being "Kenadian," which I originally thought was a jokey spin on well, "Canadian," the location said USA. That was a slightly disappointing revelation, but hey, not like it does even a slight bit to dampen your amazing videos in any way.
I found Seawatt like a week ago, then one of Ken's main channel videos debunking Seawatt's prison escapes pops up in my feed, I was a bit disappointed and annoyed that the prisons were easier to escape than shown in the videos. But I haven't unsubscribed from Seawatt, in fact, I'm hoping he does more escape videos, I'll just be more observant of his options now that I've been watching a lot of these videos. I enjoy the simplicity of those escapes and from the looks of it, a few changes to those rooms could remove the ease with which Ken was able to escape them. More than anything, they're entertaining, and I wouldn't mind trying to make my own escape rooms in a similar fashion, just for the fun of it.
When I saw my comment I burst out laughing. It was ofc a joke comment and I think you sum it up pretty well. That’s one of the biggest issues with posting on social media, you never know how people are going to interpret a message
Seawatt G A M I N G you went from being the first debunk to the biggest fan/friend of ken and im happy for it and i think you evolved from sad tiny noob turtle to a god lvl threat turtle anyways keep up! As well as you ken!
I would be extremely happy if a big channel like this reacted to my video, even if they were exposing it. I want to know what I do wrong and it would probably get me way more views
I don't get why people try dissing a creator over a simple mistake rather than talk to him. He asked to use the clips despite not needing to, by default he's more willing to compromise than most, take advantage of that connection and just talk. Not that hard. Hold on wait, they're making a big deal about less than 1% of people? Bro, they're doing more damage to their friends reputation than anyone else by making him look like a complete loser that can't take criticism, if i was him, I'd ditch these two, at least for a bit, as by god are they not understanding how bad they're making me out to be by releasing this uneducated garbage.
Maybe this is not a very popular opinion and you made very valid points in your videos, but i think its sad that OMZ stopped uploading escape vids if he had a passion for them even if they were bad. Thats jut what i think though.
Thank you so much for settling this in UA-cam, btw. Normally, when something like this happens, a lesser man would have raged about it on Twitter, so thank you for settling this like a gentleman. Also, if these escape rooms are so bad, why not make your own? I mean, with all the nearly inescapable prisons you’ve made, it should be a breeze!
Yeah this was very responsible of you. Also it’s impossible to say that all the hate comments came from your video as some people are like you and notice things, but don’t do the right thing about it
tbh what i actually think is that kenadian and the creators' prison videos he reacts to are in some sort of scheme where the prison videos get shitter and shitter and kenadian reacts to those vids and his vids blow up giving even more exposure getting more money for the each of them in this never ending cycle that gets all involved a lot of money and viewers pretty genius and badass ngl
Assuming mistakes, apologizing and trying to make things right... How is this Kenadian guy doing things so right ? Gg man, you got no wrongs in this story
I feel like it would have been better for them to reach out to you privately about this if they had an issue rather than doing this sort of public back and forth, but I suppose maybe they were intimidated at the thought of talking to a bigger UA-camr in private or something like that. The problem is that even if they were 100% right, they're just potentially making their friend an even bigger target, so a public callout should usually be reserved for when other more private avenues don't work when going up against a bigger channel. It's fortunate that you responded calmly and reasonably and were clear about condemning hate, but that just means they were lucky that you aren't the type to weaponize your viewers. It does suck that people went to spread hate there even a little to begin with though. I do think removing the bullying joke was a good idea, because there are a lot of people who don't always recognize facetious jokes like that online especially when they're in text which is even harder to parse tone from, and while I think it's fine to take that sort of risk with a sarcastic joke if the other channel is similar in size to you, when they're much smaller it's not necessarily worth the risk since your words essentially have much more weight to them and thus can do more damage even when you say something you think might be innocuous. I could see how the friends might have taken that a bit more seriously if they felt you were attacking someone they cared about and being smug about it. I've known actual bullies who used similar jokes so I can kind of see how someone might think it's meant more cruelly than intended. I do think their videos and the way they framed the situation were blowing it out of proportion, because like you said he should have known what the videos would entail, and you're going to have a hard time judging what could be considered "harming" someone's channel in a critique/debunking video. Some people might feel that criticising their content at all is too "harmful" which defeats the purpose of giving permission to make the video in the first place. It's basically like a roast, he shouldn't have agreed to sitting in the hot seat if he didn't think he could take the heat, though maybe he thought he could and then learned the hard way that he was wrong, but in that case sometimes you just have to take your lumps and recognize your limitations in that regard for the future. Either way, I hope this video helped clear the air between everyone.
I see a crutial diffrence here in Cmrn's friends videos compared to your's, you do not shed any negetive light on ANY of the creators themself's, only their VIDEOS, which is fair, whereas Cmrn's friends put you, Kenadian, in a negative light, and overall, giving you possible hate comments, whereas Cmrn got a lot more subscribers, overall boosting his channel. Also did Cmrn's friends even get your (Kenadian) permission to create these videos? If they didn't that is also another very big difference. 7:49 Also everyone makes mistakes, some better, some worse, but I can see that Kenadian has done barely any damage to Cmrn's channel, whereas Cmrn's friends make several mistakes in the videos that, if it were to a slightly less, for lack of a better term, mentally stable youtuber, their mistakes could most definately be damaging, and just straight up harmful. This is not a hate comment, but they could definately do more reasearch on their topic, and have better points.
Ik these escape rooms are not built very nicely and there are many loopholes. As u said, your videos are very entertaining and i know for a fact that i still watch escape rooms videos cuz they are still entertaining
I know this is an old video, but after drowning in the commentary community for maybe years until I finally break free from the drama snare, what if people make drama videos just to blow someone’s channel up?
Idea:Prison community simulates civilization with op items (prison building competition in survival)(pl.you should allow npc trades for useful prison stuff such as redstone related items,shulker boxes,book&quill etc.)
2:00 you could also say that this is to comment on the continuing trend of creators using poorly thought out, fictional narratives which demonstrate use of game mechanics which don’t give credit to those who originally discovered them or used them in that way. I would consider it to be a form of satire, criticizing the dramatization of what is essentially a series of short and sweet puzzles. It also is a commentary on the importance of forethought within puzzle building as a whole, and points out many areas in which these kinds of videos fail to account for. Ironically, I think his channel is a way to build a much more linear, sensible, and clever puzzle map. It simply critiques common errors in modern puzzle maps and in solution videos
Perspectives on what people see are sadly always going to be different, people oversight, under-evaluate, and just ignore the information and conclude something else.
And then, Kenadian had a very good idea. You see, he made a response video. See, making a response video lets cmrn get even MORE recognition which is (in total) better.
i want a dear kenedian p1 i thought that your main objective was to get the escape room vids to improve by showing them flaws in there design and entertainment was the secondary
Tbh your a good person because I also would have made a video apologizing but not so nicely at all because he one knew what he was getting into and two personally when I saw the videos I was more focused on the escape rooms and seeing what made them bad and stuff and just thought it was funny but I will say it didn’t make me want to sub to omz or cmmr (idk how to spell their names 😭) so yea maybe being more positive and making it clear that it was STRICTLY for fun and he doesn’t make content like this anymore would have made me more inclined to follow him or stuff
If you make trash fake videos and put them into the universe for others to view you have to be willing to take the feedback that comes along with it. I think it was very very kind Ken even asked that kid if he was okay with him making the video because he had 0 let me repeat 0 responsibility to ask his permission his video and clips used were 100% fair use. I get protecting your friends but Ken did nothing wrong here
wise words
But then I had an idea, I used F5
@@ken-tr9pd LMFAO
@@ken-tr9pd nah bro thats my idea :>
the man, the myth, the legend. the f5 master. thank you seawattgaming for your beautiful insight.
But then Kenadian had a good idea, he used F5. You see using F5 gave him a whole new perspective on their trash points.
f5, the answer to life
LOL
But then i used F3. See, using F3 gave me a whole new perspective on how many chuncks and/or depth they use.
But then I had a good idea, I replied to my own comment. You see replying to my own comment would boost it therefore giving me the overall win.
@@ExistingWithYou lmao
2:07 I do NOT believe that you don't hate Omz at least a little bit for trying to shoot you with a dementia gun
Ok maybe in lore I do
@@Kenadian maybe?
LOL
@@Kenadian LOL but not in lore Nathan ;(
Lol
This is the most mature argument(?) I’ve seen on the Internet and it’s a freaking response video
i cant even tell if its an argument anymore
0/10 apology, no beginning sigh, no crying, no holding a dog… come on Ken you can do better
Also no camera stupidly close to his face
no "I made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement"
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO HATE
@@Tusk_Always it’s almost like I was being satire
@@RiverRine_ you mean satirical
I know it’s been ages since this all happened, but Kenadian was very mature and collected when responding to it. He admitted his mistakes, showed how he saw the situation, and gave all the info and context that he knew of. This is a very respectful way to handle controversy, and I majorly applaud Kenadian for being so honest and mature.
the fact he used the chess' blunder icon is brilliant
And his omziscool final debunk is a brillant
nope. It's a great. Brilliant is !! and Great is !@@anonymoususer8982
i see what you did there !!
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?? Blunder video !! Brilliant comment
respect for the good response, i apologize for the overreaction and thank you for acknowledging my original issue with dont hate on cmrn. my video was privated because swirl said what i wanted to say more in depth but turns out the video wasnt needed. and finally cmrn didnt send us to do anything it was both me and swirls own ideas please dont think bad of him. again sorry for the overreaction but thank you for understand what i wanted to say!
Cool. I told the other friend that I'm glad this is resolved, so, goodbye, person who made Part 1
Based
This is the exact opposite of ratio
Based
Finally, someone not just stirring up drama on purpose
BEST APOLOGY VIDEO EVER. and a very mature way to deal with drama.
Its insane how much you care for others. Other youtubers would say: nah, why should i do anything about that?
Kenadian has a Canadian spirit.
It’s off topic but that image of the trees and moon is beautiful, I love it so much
Also great video, great points and handled very professionally :)
This is probably the best conflict resolution video I've ever seen on this platform
Moment of respect for not posting this on the main channel so camrn`s friends don't get hate
Lmao true
Gigachad kenadian
i'm shocked that's a possible problem in the first place... imagine making constant apology videos apologizing to more and more people every time because your previous apology video summoned the friends of the person the video is apologizing to so they can avenge the person you apologized to because commenters decided to harass them...
@@iHateHandlesGetRidOfThis ya people are like that sometimes
not really lol this video has almost 200k views
finally, an actual good response video that resolves a situation
*4:23* This part genuinely got a VERY good chuckle out of me, as literally just today I was browsing your "about" part of the channel and noticed that despite your name being "Kenadian," which I originally thought was a jokey spin on well, "Canadian," the location said USA. That was a slightly disappointing revelation, but hey, not like it does even a slight bit to dampen your amazing videos in any way.
i love it when people make such bad arguments that they forget what they're even defending/talking about
“These escape rooms” naw it’s his name that he’s hating on
My comment was ofc a joke and no hate was ever sent by me.
Twitter moment
@@10JandS
What?
They forgor 10 seconds ago 💀
omz must've gotten them with the dementia cannon
the thumbnail of the response videos just saying PROBLEMATIC LMAO
That's how most are
keeneedien
so true
bring them
You should have told them womp womp
L VIDEO, no beginning sigh, no camera stupidly close to your face, no ukelele, no crying, no guitar, no "I'm the victim".
I found Seawatt like a week ago, then one of Ken's main channel videos debunking Seawatt's prison escapes pops up in my feed, I was a bit disappointed and annoyed that the prisons were easier to escape than shown in the videos. But I haven't unsubscribed from Seawatt, in fact, I'm hoping he does more escape videos, I'll just be more observant of his options now that I've been watching a lot of these videos. I enjoy the simplicity of those escapes and from the looks of it, a few changes to those rooms could remove the ease with which Ken was able to escape them.
More than anything, they're entertaining, and I wouldn't mind trying to make my own escape rooms in a similar fashion, just for the fun of it.
wait you arent Canadian?
This guy handled the situation very well
jjt
@@solicoli spooky jumpscare
Putting a disclaimer about something specific at the start would just make more people do it.
woah an actual good response to a response
this was a great video talking about the matter
Bro no i love fake escape rooms they make me laugh like crazy
Was a good idea to just show the inner workings and refute with logic, helps to maintain trust.
When I watch this video I used at f5 see using F5 gave me a whole new perspective
Bro Ken is such a good person he could just absolutely yell at them but he calmly responds
8:30
Dude I love that you used those symbols
When I saw my comment I burst out laughing. It was ofc a joke comment and I think you sum it up pretty well.
That’s one of the biggest issues with posting on social media, you never know how people are going to interpret a message
Seawatt G A M I N G you went from being the first debunk to the biggest fan/friend of ken and im happy for it and i think you evolved from sad tiny noob turtle to a god lvl threat turtle anyways keep up! As well as you ken!
I would be extremely happy if a big channel like this reacted to my video, even if they were exposing it. I want to know what I do wrong and it would probably get me way more views
8:31 ken plays chess confirmed?
lmao well thats a superbly inconvenient situation you found yourself in, glad you got out of it responsibly and have a good day:)
I don't get why people try dissing a creator over a simple mistake rather than talk to him. He asked to use the clips despite not needing to, by default he's more willing to compromise than most, take advantage of that connection and just talk. Not that hard.
Hold on wait, they're making a big deal about less than 1% of people? Bro, they're doing more damage to their friends reputation than anyone else by making him look like a complete loser that can't take criticism, if i was him, I'd ditch these two, at least for a bit, as by god are they not understanding how bad they're making me out to be by releasing this uneducated garbage.
8:02
reverse psychology, some people would still send these no matter what you do and no matter the amount of begging you did
He's always honest, u gotta give him that. All fun and games with peoples permission
What kenadian is from the united states?! ToT
big chad! shutting down any possible window for drama.
Maybe this is not a very popular opinion and you made very valid points in your videos, but i think its sad that OMZ stopped uploading escape vids if he had a passion for them even if they were bad. Thats jut what i think though.
Thank you for being so inclusive Kenadian
Ngl tho I respect the friend for standing for his friend
Damn I never even thought about dissing these creators
Thank you so much for settling this in UA-cam, btw. Normally, when something like this happens, a lesser man would have raged about it on Twitter, so thank you for settling this like a gentleman. Also, if these escape rooms are so bad, why not make your own? I mean, with all the nearly inescapable prisons you’ve made, it should be a breeze!
Rise above the haters, bro. Don’t start the next Preston-Camman war
He did make his own called "the inescapable cake". Its on his main channel if you scroll for a bit
@@avatardotpng really? thx!
@@avatardotpng hol' up I just checked and ur on Kenadian's collab list. we have an elite on our hands
@@thepengyknight 0_0
“Kenedian” is a violation
Yeah this was very responsible of you. Also it’s impossible to say that all the hate comments came from your video as some people are like you and notice things, but don’t do the right thing about it
tbh what i actually think is that kenadian and the creators' prison videos he reacts to are in some sort of scheme where the prison videos get shitter and shitter and kenadian reacts to those vids and his vids blow up giving even more exposure getting more money for the each of them in this never ending cycle that gets all involved a lot of money and viewers
pretty genius and badass ngl
The more of your videos I watch the more I respect you
OMG ITS KENEDIAN
IKR CENEDIAN IS AWESOME
@@fotiias IKR I LOVE CENEDION
Omg it’s terra
@@randommeogamer CEIKNEDEAON
@@YosheMC ITS CKEICKEDEKIEANEAN LETS GOOO
Kenedian has so many evidence that leed to all people being innocent in this video and also clarifies his mistakes kind of like penguinz0
Would it be possible for you to create a tutorial for countering light suppression?
Seems to me that they didn't even watch your video.
I think Cmrn is a great creator even though I do not watch him.
I went to go see his videos after yours cuz i saw that he stopped making the escape room ones and wanted to watch his newer content
I like men like fr fr ong
Fr fr
Sheesh this got resolved very peacefully given other youtuber drama
Assuming mistakes, apologizing and trying to make things right...
How is this Kenadian guy doing things so right ?
Gg man, you got no wrongs in this story
I feel like it would have been better for them to reach out to you privately about this if they had an issue rather than doing this sort of public back and forth, but I suppose maybe they were intimidated at the thought of talking to a bigger UA-camr in private or something like that. The problem is that even if they were 100% right, they're just potentially making their friend an even bigger target, so a public callout should usually be reserved for when other more private avenues don't work when going up against a bigger channel. It's fortunate that you responded calmly and reasonably and were clear about condemning hate, but that just means they were lucky that you aren't the type to weaponize your viewers. It does suck that people went to spread hate there even a little to begin with though. I do think removing the bullying joke was a good idea, because there are a lot of people who don't always recognize facetious jokes like that online especially when they're in text which is even harder to parse tone from, and while I think it's fine to take that sort of risk with a sarcastic joke if the other channel is similar in size to you, when they're much smaller it's not necessarily worth the risk since your words essentially have much more weight to them and thus can do more damage even when you say something you think might be innocuous. I could see how the friends might have taken that a bit more seriously if they felt you were attacking someone they cared about and being smug about it. I've known actual bullies who used similar jokes so I can kind of see how someone might think it's meant more cruelly than intended.
I do think their videos and the way they framed the situation were blowing it out of proportion, because like you said he should have known what the videos would entail, and you're going to have a hard time judging what could be considered "harming" someone's channel in a critique/debunking video. Some people might feel that criticising their content at all is too "harmful" which defeats the purpose of giving permission to make the video in the first place. It's basically like a roast, he shouldn't have agreed to sitting in the hot seat if he didn't think he could take the heat, though maybe he thought he could and then learned the hard way that he was wrong, but in that case sometimes you just have to take your lumps and recognize your limitations in that regard for the future. Either way, I hope this video helped clear the air between everyone.
Its the fact that he had HAD to point out that hes NOT canadian but hes from the United states
I just escaped from your most humane prison but its still haunting me.
I see a crutial diffrence here in Cmrn's friends videos compared to your's, you do not shed any negetive light on ANY of the creators themself's, only their VIDEOS, which is fair, whereas Cmrn's friends put you, Kenadian, in a negative light, and overall, giving you possible hate comments, whereas Cmrn got a lot more subscribers, overall boosting his channel. Also did Cmrn's friends even get your (Kenadian) permission to create these videos? If they didn't that is also another very big difference. 7:49 Also everyone makes mistakes, some better, some worse, but I can see that Kenadian has done barely any damage to Cmrn's channel, whereas Cmrn's friends make several mistakes in the videos that, if it were to a slightly less, for lack of a better term, mentally stable youtuber, their mistakes could most definately be damaging, and just straight up harmful. This is not a hate comment, but they could definately do more reasearch on their topic, and have better points.
Ik these escape rooms are not built very nicely and there are many loopholes. As u said, your videos are very entertaining and i know for a fact that i still watch escape rooms videos cuz they are still entertaining
After they responded, I had no idea where to go next, but then I had an idea. I uSeD f5.
I love how you instantly point out the misspelling of your channel
U should do like an escape room with cmrn or smth, or a collab
"My intenion is soley entertainment."
I know this is an old video, but after drowning in the commentary community for maybe years until I finally break free from the drama snare, what if people make drama videos just to blow someone’s channel up?
Can you make a drama video on me please❤
@@barneydoesgriddy2170 💀
@@barneydoesgriddy2170 My brother in christ stop gooning
5:07 background music?
I love how he was simply the bigger person
The best thing that could happen now is if cmrn comes here himself and says what he truly feels about those videos.
ah yes my favorite youtuber kenedian
may i say, im glad i missed out in this video and was a month late because my brain could not take this much stress this year
Idea:Prison community simulates civilization with op items (prison building competition in survival)(pl.you should allow npc trades for useful prison stuff such as redstone related items,shulker boxes,book&quill etc.)
Simulation videos are, funnily enough, videos that one of kenadian’s debunk focus makes now
this is actual peak youtuber response wth
i would like to see you hosting an civilisations project
"My response to their response of my response."
The only thing I could think is that ken provided a better essay and that the moon was a circle
2:00 you could also say that this is to comment on the continuing trend of creators using poorly thought out, fictional narratives which demonstrate use of game mechanics which don’t give credit to those who originally discovered them or used them in that way.
I would consider it to be a form of satire, criticizing the dramatization of what is essentially a series of short and sweet puzzles. It also is a commentary on the importance of forethought within puzzle building as a whole, and points out many areas in which these kinds of videos fail to account for. Ironically, I think his channel is a way to build a much more linear, sensible, and clever puzzle map. It simply critiques common errors in modern puzzle maps and in solution videos
I take it all back, apparently you are from the USA, not Canada. Your name lied to us
LMAO AT 4:45 HIM SAYING SUBSCRIBE MAKES KENADIAN'S SUBSCRIBE BUTTON GLOW 💀
bro how is this man not a lawyer already
How do you know he isn't?
He isn’t soulless enough
4:30
I feel like not enough people are talking about this.
It's just crazy.
At this point I don't even know if Bajan Canadian is even Canadian.
so will you still be making debunking videos?
Perspectives on what people see are sadly always going to be different, people oversight, under-evaluate, and just ignore the information and conclude something else.
I love how at 4:50 the subscribe button lights up LOL
WAIT WHAT HOW
Kenadian: gasp how dare you,you accuse my name of being a lie and then you spell it wrong >:(
Also kenadian :hmmmm that actually right
Can you do a video on the person who proved dream faked hes speedrun I am having trouble understanding what he is talking about
And then, Kenadian had a very good idea. You see, he made a response video. See, making a response video lets cmrn get even MORE recognition which is (in total) better.
wonder where kenedian part 1 is
Yes i agree with you
Eventually in a few months you could do like a playthrough of your own faack roooms
Wait, did they delete the video.
GOOD HEAVENS, it’s as if they OVERREACTED, and then *didn’t watch the actual video* or something…
I always took it all as a joke, lmao. People actually thought they were meant to do harm!?
i want a dear kenedian p1
i thought that your main objective was to get the escape room vids to improve by showing them flaws in there design and entertainment was the secondary
Ayo, my man Ken plays chess?
Idea: Make a 2 player prison that you and another friend of yours can beat (I have no idea what to call it though)
Tbh your a good person because I also would have made a video apologizing but not so nicely at all because he one knew what he was getting into and two personally when I saw the videos I was more focused on the escape rooms and seeing what made them bad and stuff and just thought it was funny but I will say it didn’t make me want to sub to omz or cmmr (idk how to spell their names 😭) so yea maybe being more positive and making it clear that it was STRICTLY for fun and he doesn’t make content like this anymore would have made me more inclined to follow him or stuff
ik im late but this might just be the best response video ive ever and i mean ever seen wp!