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Personally, I think hard work should lead to smart work. We tend to associate the term hard work with concepts like long hours, lack of sleep and exhaustion, while it would be more useful if these circumstances were seen as a ''prompt'' to find a way to work smarter (simply to avoid being crushed by them, following natural evolution and self-preservation). Also, the process of simplification is itself ''hard work'', just not in the conventional, general view!
Yes absolutely. Hard work is basically the precursor to smart work. You don't start thinking outside the box unless you are being backed into a corner.
@@JustinSung hey i think you should add this applies to goals we are atleast capable of achieving.can everybody win a nobel prize in physics nope.when it comes to the peak of competition natural talented one dominates. reference---ua-cam.com/video/lk8sdMGJ3m4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/lev8dGnxvdw/v-deo.html
Usually though not always. You can also deliberately spend time to work smarter; that'll require effort in terms of cognitive strain rather than more time.@@0doublezero0
While this certainly would be the ideal I think a big reason why it often doesn't work out like this in practice is the fact that improving a system and making it more efficient tends to require even more effort short- to medium-term. And that is something you may not be able to afford if you're already barely scraping by. Add the fact that people may not even have the knowledge to really improve their (let's say) study habits or even the awareness that this is in fact quite feasible and I would argue it comes as zero surprise that people get stuck in "work hard, not smart" loops.
“Talent is just the natural ability for someone to intuitively use more optimal processes.” Wow, that is some deep insight! It basically means, you need to discover the optimal processes that will give you the desired results . And then train yourself on making them intuitive; second nature. Then keep upgrading them. So you are able to do more with less. Thank you Justin! You have literally changed my life. Thank you brother!
I never put that in words like that, but always thought talent as like "that person just figures this out faster than the rest". The definition he gave is incredible!
"You can work hard and still do poorly". Can't agree more. All my engineering years, I worked fairly hard, put in multiple extra hours, and attended extra classes. Even after all this extra effort, I managed to get slightly about average grades whereas my few talented peers worked half as hard but produced double the results with exceptional grades. That was the moment when I realised that it is more to it than just hard work. Everyone always says to work harder and harder. They say that you have not yet achieved success because you have not worked hard enough. I feel it is only so much hard work you can do because you have limited time and energy and it is only a matter of time before your genetics give up and you get burnt out (probably multiple times) and give up eventually. Finally someone can understand my point of view. Glad I found you and your channel.
How that does makes you feel towards your career? Would you quit being a engineer in order to dedicate yourself to something you think you are more talented in and grow faster in?
Hard working engineer usually becomes very good n become innovative. And develop something new that is not in the market. Talent is just getting grades better but they dun success as engineer n usually end up as mgmt executives.
this exact scenario ive been on both sides of. The reason people put less effort and succeed in studying is because they understand the essence of the material - which only happens if you grasp the fundamentals from lesson 1 and never break this "chain" (as my teachers call it). From then on you just need to listen in every class about only half the time ( because a big part of it is fluff to make understanding it easier ) and its smooth sailing. Another way is if they are interested in the subject and have already done personal projects that are more advanced than school material. If you fall behind from the start the only real way ive found of catching up is by just asking. Ask someone who understands the material to explain it to you and you cheat the system by learning x10 faster. Usually the other person wont bother you and himself with details and will only explain the essence of the subject really well which is enough for you to be able to study the details on your own, or you just ask about the details aswell. Edit: Now that i think about it my English teacher also showed us a video about "Study smart not hard" showing data and situations about how more time spent studying isnt effective and only about the first 1-2 hours matter instead of grinding 10.
it's not that complicated. People think they can actually beat 1000S OF YEARS of superior gifted DNA, with few years of "hard work" lol!!! Natural Talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hard work" lololol
4:21 1. Hard work has diminishing returns 6:27 2. Effort is fuel 10:29 3. Hard work is also about the type of work that you do 12:22 Two things to do to solve this
"Taking action is rarely about changing your action immediately. Most of time, especially for things that are difficult and complex, taking action means making decision to learn what action you should take"
can't beat a guy with both hard work and talent. Met a guy like that....dude was a machine, my man is gonna be a good doctor after 3 years. Wishing him all the best 👍
It’s also enormously BASED when someone who struggles more at doing something, (or has less talent) but works hard anyways. They can see peers easily progressing faster than them, but yet they struggle on and achieve greatness within their own time. I respect people who accomplish something very challenging, even if it was easy for other people.
when I was in elementary school I was in special ed. Teachers considered holding me back a year. I grew up believing I was stupid and was told so by many around me. I graduated high school with a 95% average with nearly 100% in physics and over 95% in math and chemistry. I'll now be graduating from UCLA with a bachelor's in electrical engineering. My point is a lot of the time when you consider yourself untalented in something it's because you haven't put the work in to discover your talent. If I had listened to everyone around me claiming that I would never be good at math and science because I simply lacked the talent I would have given up. Instead, I worked hard and realized I was never dumb but that instead I just needed to try different learning methods and discovered I actually had an aptitude for these subjects. People underestimate how much work It takes to be good at something and how much work so-called "talented" people have put in. They look at a new subject or skill they want to pick up and give up quickly. Telling themselves "My brain simply isn't wired for this stuff." If you are passionate about something give it your all.
Totally agree, people in this comment section are treating hard work like it is just mindlessly doing something over and over, when in truth hard work is just part of developing any skill.
Ya. Completely agreed. It's like working really hard and determined to walk from one city to other. The right thing would be to take a cab or some other transport. 😅 In this way you will not work hard but get to that destination in much efficient way
yep when you do the right thing, hard work is still an option that remains open for you. But without doing the right thing, hard work blocks you from learning the right thing.
doing the right thing and having the opportunity to do the right thing. there is an Einstein tending to a rice field somewhere in vietnam or africa somewhere that will go nowhere in life.
Facts. A lot of people are not doing the right thing. Their trajectory in life is totally out of the will of God. Their creator did not intend them to do whatever they're doing. That's how I see it. The blessing of the Lord maketh rich and he addeth no sorrow with it.
Really love this video. I think the reason people love to say "Hard work beats talent" is because they see talent as this mysterious gift that people have been privileged with by genetics or something. People don't want to flip a stone to check and see what really is talent. It's just better cognitive recognition and higher-order learning that people do accidentally for one thing. And because they didn't realize that they were doing that, they cant seem to apply that for others. Hence that becomes their "talent". And people like things explained in simplified terms. So they don't even want to wrap their head around what talent really is, or if they can DEVELOP or LEARN to be smart, to be talented. Deploying your brain is seeming to be harder to people than just passively putting in a grind of 10 hours of hard work. When you're active and aware of the processes you're using to improve yourself, you will achieve something even better than talent.
we are shaped by environment on top of inborn abilities shaped by what we eat what our parents did to themselves and us early on they see natural differences and get scared instead of learning how they are created and choosing all things that narrow gap while stopping caring about whats permanent some look for excuse to normalize own failures some get crazy over escaping failures working like horses until dying exhausted second are more successful but loose life because of posttrauma radicalism and constant stress both fool themselves never trying to be themselves and doing things for themselves we are often primed by things we didn't even remember but it doesn't mean we should accept it and not find better way for ourselves
Thanks for leaving a comment. I really do think social media has made this oversimplification an epidemic. Some things in life simply cannot be summarised in a 30 second TikTok.
I think the terms "Talent" and "Hard Work" are used as a false dichotomy. Going by your logic, a better term will be "Proficiency". Proficiency is something to gain by 1. being Observant of your actions, and their effects 2. Working Hard to practice and eventually build routines 3. LEARNING from your actions and changing to improve them!
@@batkorubEveryone is gifted and has a different area of expertise. However it is possible to outperform others who had a headstart and are labeled as gifted. Although, I agree that there are limitations when you reach the highest level possible but most people use the word blindly. Therefore using the excuse that people are gifted as an excuse to not improve is unacceptable. Unless you have truly made an attempt to surpass someone using smart strategies. I say this because I am highly competitive and outperformed people who were talented simply by watching tutorials and developing muscle memory on whatever I was trying to learn. And unless people saw my journey as I struggled, they would call me gifted as well. But when the gifted person is beat, and the other gifted person who beat the gifted person was also beat, you start to realize that people simply use that word whenever there's someone who is knowledgeable at what they're doing. Basically it is hard to distinguish when someone is gifted unless you have a lengthy background check and they are performing at the highest level where hard from a non gifted person cannot outperform them.
Hard work might not beat talented people but its the only way for ordinary people to stand a chance. Plus hard work is never a waste of time and effort. You might not beat some people but u will definitely improve with hard work and it works 100%
The sharpening the axe section reminded me of an instance where I was tutoring a student. He was in cal 2 and he was having trouble with some problem and was an engineering major. I asked him to go through the problem and he was going in circles because he didn't remember log rules. I told him, "hey this problem would be way easier right here, if you used log rules so just go back and review them it'll take you like 15 mins." He decided that he would rather just memorize and keep doing the same problem again and again rather than going back to basics for a refresher. It was frustrating watching someone just "work" hard for little results. The best thing about tutoring mathematics was constantly going over the basics as you see new things and connections. So going back to the basics is often very very useful, occasionally. Edit: Had to fix confusing sentence structure.
Someone can work hard memorising their textbook word-for-word. They probably won’t finish and they probably won’t get top marks. Justin has said himself that some people take in knowledge faster than others and that they succeed in spite of their methods, rather than because of their methods. Taking responsibility for as much of your life as you can is great, but there are some things you can’t control and you’ll end up beating yourself up because you think you should be able to control them.
They don't naturally take in a knowledge faster, their brains have a way of understanding knowledge in different ways, which yes they have the genetic capability of coming up with at a young age but that's about it. Let me give you an example Take the math question 57*11 (for the average person this would take a minute or 2 & the genius maybe 2 seconds to do) But the fact is that this type of equation can be done by anyone using a method in 2 seconds also. Read the book by Arthur Benjamin to learn how it's a bit hard to explain but it's super simple to understand I'm just not a very good articulator at the moment. Either way, this proves how much creating techniques to make problems easier helps. While genius' are born with this ability. You can train yourself, expos3 yourself to lots and lots of methods. Develop your inner creativity and flourish in your self made techniques. There are so many ways to solve problems you just have to practice quick and concise problem solving like th3 other day I made a formula of my own to convert currency between 3 different currencies simultaneously instead of doing them one by one. It's not something a genius couldn't do but I'm proud of myself for doing It. I hope you understand you have just as much as potential as any genius with smart and hard work!
I used to think that my hard work can't catch up to those that are talented, but I still tried to work harder anyways. I realized that became a fixed mindset and that my hard work is not "working as effectively." Thanks to your iCS course (not finished yet), I was able to understand that if I challenge and change my cognitive processes, then working hard to change would help me a lot. As the common saying goes, working hard by doing the same thing won't yield different results. It's the methods that matter, not only the effort! The insights you give are awesome, thanks Justin!!
no need to try, do something else. People think they can beat 1000s of years of superior gifted DNA, with few years of "hard work" lol!!! Natural talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hard work" lololol
@@jadenpark7943By your logic, Children of every successful mathematician should be a successful mathematician, ar children of a grandmaster should be naturally good at chess, which is almost never the case. There are n no of facts which determines how successful a person would be.And I have noticed more often than not the way of working is wayyyyy more important than working long hours.
@@sagnikmishra7147 it depends on health, wellness, and attractiveness of the parents. More cleaner they are, they pass on the superior genes to their children which will have easier time adapting or already-gifted with some abilities. Also factor in financial situation, power positions and more from the parents who can give the children whatever they got
@@jadenpark7943 first of all attractiveness has nothing to do with intelligence. Second thing is you are criminally underestimating hardwork put in by people you consider "Naturally talented". Einstein worked on General Relativity for 7 long years, continuously. Imagine working on a single problem for almost a decade!! Most of us wouldn't last a week. Feynman's wife divorced him because apparently he was solving Calculas problems all night long. So genes, while plays a part in brilliance, more often than not environment, resilience, curiosity can turn an ordinary person into extraordinary
Definitely resonates with me. I have seen so many of my peers struggle through high school while I easily gotten an ATAR of 99.3 without much studying, I wasn't even in a good school. Thanks to your course, I realised that I have an inherent deep processing ability, which I am fine tuning now
"Talent is just the natural ability for someone to intuitively use more optimal processes", this is one of the hardest lines I have ever heard. It literally explains everything
It took me from age 16 to 21 to even start in a career that fit me, and another 4 years to now being very successful. All it took was hard work and perseverance. I know plenty of people who were way smarter than me but just gave up way earlier. Of course success and money isn’t the most important thing and it’s not for everyone. But I prioritized and consistently put in the work and even showed up when I wanted to give. That’s how I got here. Now I’m working smarter but just as hard. It’s an S curve. Telling people to work smart not hard is inaccurate. Work hard and you’ll become smart eventually. But don’t think you can work smart without sacrifice and dedication. That’s a fools errand.
I loved this. I played field hockey in high school and was always the top scorer every season, always the fastest, always a starter and played the entire game. We got a new coach who decided that they didn't like me, so they benched me the entire season. She would constantly say "hard work beats talent" to the team and look at me every time she said it. Most girls would join expensive off season camps, my family could not afford to sign me up. The perception was that I didn't care enough to attend those camps and that I would just show up with the skill level I had, but what no one knew was that while they spent thousands of dollars attending camps and not progressing, I was in my backyard running sprints, going to the gym to get stronger, teaching myself new tricks to use and envisioning myself using my skills on the field. I would run with cross country in the summer to improve my speed and agility. No one saw that and of course I wasn't going to explain. This was over 10 years ago and her statement still haunts me. Thanks for this video, I can now have a little more faith in myself especially now knowing that my teenage brain was right to question the validity of "hard work beats talent."
That’s a lot of politics should have brought it up to the principal or other coaches, if you really were as good as you say you were you could have gotten around this
“Talent is something you make bloom, instinct is something you polis”. You might not be born with talent but maybe tomorrow, next month, next year or never, your talent may bloom. Even without talent you can still be on the same stage as those with talent. You might not be the very best, but you sure as heck can give the best their run for money.
how do you polish instinct which is often holistic and subconscious thinking 😂 usually you just do more and start seeing pattern if you aren't too much fixated on narrow thoughtless execution
It doesn't matter how much hours you study ,but it does matter what you study in a limited amount of time😊 ,if you are studying for competitive exams ,look at the previous years questions and answers ,know how the questions are constructed ,get help from those who have cracked this exam,and attempt the question in the given time ,and know the overall subject ,that's it 😊❤, And talent is called smart work.
Super cool video. Thank you for making it. It kinda reminds me of quote I read in a manga: "someone who works hard, can never beat someone who enjoys himself" Not that hard work in itself is problematic but the way it forms you into this "just work hard to get there - machine" mindset instead of beeing reasonable with your effort, knowing what u can do, pushing yourself a little bit and getting to a point where you actually enjoy these challenges. Your example with the 120h studying week reminded me of the recovery problem when it comes to gaining physical abilities. Just hard work is not gonna cut it, as u will burn out like a meteor if u only focus on the hard work. Some bodybuilder once said "sleeping less to get more hours in the gym in is like jumping over 100 Dollar bills to pick up pennies". Imo consistency is everything even when it comes to failing and overcoming it. Bc that is probably THE key skill in life.
We all have those coworkers who remember everything and just tell people to study more. I’m thinking dude I study twice as much as you do and I still can’t compete with you. I’m so sick of that feeling. I might have to sign up for Justin’s course ❤
In my opinion talent is when someone has more context to a certain topic/subject and so they have an upper hand against someone who started from knowing absolutely nothing. The topic/subject is going to be more intuitive to the "talented" person. Talent is something that can be practiced and learned over time not something you're born with. It's all dependent on past experiences and chance encounters.
As a professional Voice coach that works with celebrities and newer singers my experience has been that those with talent start killing their competition when they decide to put in the work regardless of how much hard work the less talented person puts in. Maybe that's not always the case but, so far, I haven't seen the exception. 🙁
stopping comparing to others and focusing on goal with passion works for everybody people without talent are usually people with hidden trauma fixated on comparing and with escape from failure always on mind chronically
@@szymonbaranowski8184 Ok, but competition is natural in terms of jobs and stuff. People will want to hire better voice actors, those that don't make the cut won't get jobs. We can't just ignore competition when it comes to the job market.
That's rough, and the reality is that in some industries, it's so toxic that there are ways that other people can just crush you unfairly. But I suppose those are outside of our control anyway and it's one of the unfortunate realities we have to try our best to navigate (and change if possible).
@@JustinSung What do you think about something like basketball where it doesn't matter how hard a 4'11 guy works if they want to make it to the NBA? Talent certainly matters.
Hard work is like a vector quantity , no matter how greater the magnitude is , its all worth nothing if your hardwork doesnt have a right direction i.e. correct process and techniques are required and with pure magnitude only , you would have to go through a path with lots of trials and errors until you find the correct process and techniques
or you are just fantasizing. People think they can actually beat 1000S OF YEARS of superior gifted DNA, with few years of "hard work"? lol!!! Natural Talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hard work" lololol
This is true. I worked my ass off at my last job. We were even understaffed and I was constantly given my cohorts responsibilities. I also tried to achieve all the standards and go by the book. I got burnt out really bad and my performance really suffered. My other coworkers who were quiet quitting/calling out for mental health days ended up getting promoted and raises
Justin, ur freaking awesome, the ability to think out of the box of mindless productivity gurus online. I am a doctor, with double degree and now in US , residency pursuing derm, I cant appreciate ur guidance more.
It's essential to recognize that both hard work and talent have their places in the journey to success. Talent might open doors, but hard work and a growth mindset are often the keys to keeping those doors open and achieving long-term goals. This video offers valuable insights into this complex and ongoing discussion.
I want to add that refining the “process” of what you’re learning can cause you to learn slower in the beginning but once you set that process up it will not only help you learn faster but deepen your learning. I think that’s what most people don’t understand. The “faster” you learn the more you’re just relying on memorization and regurgitation. You can ask what does this have to do with work? It has everything to do with work because how deeply you learn something can help refine the ways in which you have to perform that work and make more efficient processes to do that work.
I keenly acknowledge your proposition. I have wasted thousands of hours from my invaluable adolescence and youth period believing in the myth of "If you work hard, you will be successful" or "Hard work pays off". Now I despicably regret for that toiling days, for they are now irreversible to be rectified. My family, society, school, college, university all of them said me to work hard. But none of them taught me how to work hard efficiently, so that today or tomorrow I get the result hand in hand. I personally thank you, Dr. Justin Sung, for you have helped me realize the joy of learning. Not only that, I can retain whatever I learn for long time ever since I have discovered my potentiality through your videos.
As a game designer, this couldnt be more true. It doesnt matter how fast a ship is going if its headed in the wrong direction. At the top level, everyone works hard and a few more hours is likely going to lead to burnout instead of success. Also the Kobe Bryant analagy is an interesting one. Kobe worked harder than almost everyone but he isnt considered a top 5 players by most analysts. Jordan, Lebron Kareem, Wilt etc are more effective players.
I found my places to put effort in...would like if any suggestions are given on these- 1.Observe the exam times of the tuitions(These are held in one or two weeks of gap and 1,2,3 or more subjects and chapters based) 2.Make a schedule that is likely to match my exam times. 3.Try to improve my remembering asset(by improving memory I am going to take less time to revise it) 4.Increase focus 5.Learn deep-Connect everyday what I learn into a big framework for each chapters.
Very interesting. Intuitively, I think this is exactly correct. I've seen people do exceptionally well despite not being obviously smarter than others, or working so hard. It could of course be that they are simply naturally talented in a narrow way in what they do, but its far more likely that its all about study technique. I'm in my 50's so beyond being able to use Dr. Sungs techniques (although I've found them very insightful for my language learning), but looking back I can see that the things I was 'naturally talented' at in years past was more due to accidentally hitting on a good method for taking in and using information (for example, I loved speed reading books as a student, but I was never good at concentrated study - so I was much better at 'generalist' knowledge subjects like history and geography than those that needed specific knowledge like biology). It is amazing really that I managed to go through school and college and post-grad without ever giving the slightest thought to 'how' rather than 'how much' I was studying. Oh well.
I want to add a solution 3 this is something i have learned from martial arts and learning another language and that is surround yourself around the right people and community who will provide the proper feedback and its better if they are around irl rather than online, i cant stress this enough its not just them giving the feedback but when you also give feedback it will cement whatever you are trying to do or learn and the best part about it is that it will make the process even more fun since you are growing together.
Working on my skills with justin since months, now I can say that at a certain point it feels like you finally have the helm of the ship in your hands, but then you look back and realize you spent months of hard work building the entire ship 😂. I refused to practice a lot of times when Justin told the practice amount needed, but now that I paid it I can say it is worth my academic life quality. ❤🎉
This drives home what I wish I could say to those who are genuinely trying to improve but are having difficulty improving, while they are also refusing help from other people
@@eleonorabrajkovska604 I think you can train IQ in some sense but you are born with what you are born with. I think you can be less ignorant but increasing your working memory and reasoning skills can only be trained so much.
Iq can be trained but there is a certain limit, u cannot beat who have very good iq inherently. So, the optimistic approach should be to reach your best.(your best might not be the real best).
This video reminded me of a Manga by the name of Jujutsu Kaisen. In that Manga there’s a character named Gojo Satoru who is the strongest(or at least one of the strongest) sorcerers to have ever existed. All of Gojo’s peers have accepted that they will never catch up to him because not only is he super talented he also constantly puts in effort to improve his technique making it impossible for them to catch up to him. This can be seen as them giving up, but it can also be seen as them choosing to focus on themselves and do what they can to succeed in their own right. Instead of choosing to be stressed over beating someone they can never touch. Fortunately, with Sung’s course I’ve found myself gradually changing my mindset to focusing on my personal best, and adopting techniques I know will help me succeed once acquired.
Yea one thing though is that in real life, natural talent is never as totally overpowered as having been born with both Six Eyes and Limitless Technique + Genius ability to master techniques within like 1 or 2 years. But even in an anime world, there is still one (relatively normal-ish) guy who managed to stab Gojo in the neck.
And yet, Toji obliterated him - who only survived out of plot convenience -. That's similar to real life. "Talent vs. hard work" is kind of absurd, as both of them are not isolated terms. You can get what people calls "talent" if you work in a specific way, trying to acquire such talent. You can "learn" how to be talented. Part of what people calls "talent" is genetic. Just some part. Other part is highly environmentally dependant. And, even the genetic part, isn't completely impossible to modify - epigenetics -. There are also a myriad of other factors coming into play: free time, money to spend, psychological health, emotional engagement, social pressure, motivation, nutrition, and a big etc. So yeah; the correct scope is to try to better yourself. That will always be fruitful, no matter the situation.
@@erigor11 Yoy think Toji is based on hardwork alone. Heavenly restriction means zero curse energy in exchange for impossible human stats so he is talented as well.
@@tejiriamrasa3258 Again, the point is that "hardwork vs. talent" is mostly an absurd dilemma. Of course Toji was gifted - a more appropiate term in this case than "talented" -. The point is that the supposedly biggest genius by far who could literally destroy humanity as a whole if he wanted because his powers are utterly absurd due to him being more talented and gifted than anyone else... got destroyed by a guy without magic (and being able to use magic is mainly how characters value "talent" in their context). Reality is multifactorial and way more complex than an extremely minimalist "hardwork vs. talent".
anyone who has competed in the college level sports or above feels this deeply. Once you've reached the level where everyone around you is legit, hardwork doesn't matter anymore, talent shines brightly, and talent will more easily work at your "hard" level...
Can you make a video about motivation? Types of motivations, procrastination, the fear of failure and the inability to simply starting something? I don't know if that's something you're as knowledgeable about as you are in learning and studying but it would be a cool video regardless to get your perspective on this. Great video as always!
I arrived to the same conclusion as you as i was studying for my mrcp. I think a good way to put it is in terms of gaming Imagine you are playing a rts game and you dont invest any resources into buulding your economy. You just spam tier 1 infantry and rally your units to your enemies base. Thats a recipe for losing hard. That is analagous to studying your ass off by copying your notes over and over and going to the exam. The rts analogy is as such There is a saying in card games/ rts games , and that is To win, you must either A) play much faster than your opponnent B) play slightly slower than your opponent. Fast(means rush out tier 1s and go) slow( means eco up then steamroll) A) If your exam is in 2 weeks, there is no time to sharpen your axe or eco up. Just do the most high yield stuff, which is almost always to get your hands on past year questions and do them over and over. B) if your exam is in 6 months time, then spend time to learn how to learn. Read up on memory techniques - there are tonnea of books and resources on the web Try to develop an interest in whatever you are studying. If you have to study something really boring that you really dislike, then try to read up on interesting things about that topic. If you hate studying Chinese, read up about romance of the 3 kingdoms / monkey king etc in your free time instead of memorizing essays. If you hate physics, then go read up about einstein and newton, hell, maybe just watch the big bang theory Talk to someone who is passionate about the topic, watch youtube videos with educators that are more talented and passionate then your grunpy old uni professors. The list goes on and on
LOL I got this notification while practicing and was suddenly reminded how many naturally gifted and hardworking musicians there are. I'm still trying to find a nice work ethic myself but it seems I burn out a lot😂
Thats because the mental resistance to burning out is a talent as well. Thats the funny part nobody gets. The ability to stay focused without burning out is a talent. Get it? Theres some people who just have this innate ability to work for long periods of time with little or no reward and their brain doesn't burn out.
When most people say “hard work beats talent” they’re usually not talking about school. There obviously needs to be a healthy balance but IMO this phrase is fairly accurate for most careers (where talent is hardly necessary) talent will only take you so far in the real world.
Hard beats talent when talent doesn’t work, the problem with people who have talent is that their conditioned to winning so much there not exposed to their flaws it’s hard to self-reflect when all you do is win. When I was in highschool we had a player in your team who was 6’6, since he was always tall never really needed to practice since he was also athletic and he would average 15 points just of putbacks and rebounds. He ended highschool with 0 offers while 3 people on our team (who were shorter than him one being 5’10) had offers to D3 and D2 schools. He now works in construction (nothing wrong with that) but I recently caught up with he explicitly told me he wishes he tried harder in high school because he knows 100% he could have gotten offers if he developed a jump shot and handles. Since he had so much raw talent he was never really keen to fixing his weaknesses. So yes hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard
So what happened when talent does work hard? Good luck competing. I know what he’s saying and it makes perfect sense because I struggled hard even with hardwork but learned to optimize my study strategies is what helped me achieve my goals without killing myself
People never talk about the most obvious sport regarding that topic: bodybuilding. With my thin body, no steroids, nutrition and sport will ever make me win vs ronnie coleman. You can SEE why. Its the same thing where the competition is about cognitive skills like math, with the difference that you cant see it.
@@Golden2Talon right but Ronnie Colman isn’t an example to use here he had talent AND work ethic my point still remains hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work
@@TheRedemptionRain that’s the thing talent often doesn’t work hard because there so used to relying on their gifts they developed during their youth, they never put energy into learning fundamentals or building strong work ethic, not a difficult concept to understand, we all know someone who had genius level talent but zero work ethic to match. But yes if your talented AND you have strong work ethic then yes you will beat someone who doesn’t have talent not that hard a concept to understand
people who believe hard work beats talent have never actualy met talented people. They usualy work much harder AND smarter than the average person precisely because they are talented.They are more efficient with their time. Also, if hard work was the key to sucess, you'd see a lot more variety of champions in sports for example. In reality, you see the precise opposite- a small minority of people tend to gather all the titles. Why is that? everyone is working hard. I dont think a champion is a champion just because he worked 10x harder than EVERYONE, thats not possible. He simply is more talented and trained BETTER. You can study physics as much as you, but most likely you'll never be as good as Feyman or Einstein.
Overreacting to overreacting, talk long enough and you'll see that most people today lack humble gratitude. The result is trying to redefine reality to maximize how one feels about themselves and others see him or her.
I think level of focus, level of interest and action with intent is also key. Someone could spend extensive hrs working/studying but they could be distracted, disinterested and not have the dedicated mental focus or apply any effort. Even a talented person can have a not so talented person surpass their achievement if their focus and level of interest and action is not applied.
What you forget is that you shouldn't compare the amount of study-time someone is putting in without evaluting their pre- existiert knowledge in a particular field. You can dramatically improve if you stretch out your efforts over longer periodes of time while keeping up a constant, not too stressful, effort. And you need help.Private tuition. That works wonders.
You have power over your mind- not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength. Marcus Aurelius Work smart and hard. Persist and resist with your goal and determination
Thank you, for this information...my take away.... is to not beat ourselves up when we fail... and to look at this as a learning experience to understand why we fail and improve on that... Which will be putting into action the changes we have learned... It may seem a bit slower but in the long run....It will be a more effective outcome...which could lead to the success we all are searching for...😊
As a talented painter and an artist who works pretty hard easily beats an artist who only work hard with not a lot talent. For example u could see progress between each of my drawings but my artist friends are pretty much were staying at the same spot in a series of 10 artworks
More than a decade ago I dropped out of undergraduate engineering. I worked so hard in those three semesters, and I bombed out so hard. I was one of those students from an underprivileged background who only knew how to work hard. Unfortunately working hard and failing has consequences. Your boy has been making minimum wage since 2014 😬
Thanks for sharing your story. Working hard is an admirable trait but unfortunately it's gotten to a point where it's an extreme and toxic fixation for most young people.
Thank you so much 🥹 you changed my perspective in learning. I am a law student and I am having a difficult time learning all legal concepts. I owe you my life Dr. Sung!
Im a psych major, maybe this helps. Theres a particular model in psychology that discusses this phenomenon. 1) hard work at first leads to a higher probability to have interest in somethingg 2) at first, if you have talent you will achieve success more easily and with less effort 3) the further you progress in your field of expertise, the more factors like e.g motivation, volition etc gain importance. Overall, theres certain fields of expertise that require a certain amount of talent (e.g logical thinking, motor skills etc). In fields that require at least a minimum of talent in tthose areas, its probable that you wont achieve the same success or expertise as someone with those talents. But more important than talent is directed practice (this has its limit too), high performance motivation and resilience. I hope this helps, english isnt my first language
Yes! I was thinking about this a decent bit recently. Like with typing, you can work really hard trying to get to 200 wpm, but if you are using 2 fingers (the process), then it is much harder to get there even with hard work. It's only when you start using a superior technique or method (like 10 fingers) that you can then put in a lot of hard work to get there. And it seems that the "talented" mainly just happened to use the better techniques/methods first or were previously taught them.
Yeah I agree with this video. It was still ridiculous why artists advise beginners to practice a whole lot and people still believe they're right. As an art student I felt that advice is vague.
I like that picture you painted with the sharpening of one’s ax and then expanding that by adding how it’s crucial to _learn_ the proper way to sharpen one’s ax.
The problem lies within the word "work" itself. We usually refer to work as something we dont really want to do but have to "endure" in order to gain something (money, status). But people who show natural passion towards a subject/hobby do not see work (or better: effort) as something they have to "endure". They are emotionally connected to the subject and are thus passionate by default. Also, i think its naive to treat practise/studying as something purely quantitative. The quality and what youre actually doing while studying/practising matters a lot. If you play an instrument, it might be more wise to spend 1 hour focused on a narrow problem rather than 3 hours of just fooling around. Thats why everyone has that one friend who plays the guitar for 10 years but who still sounds kind of amateurish. However, i definitely think everyone of us has some natural inclinations (wherever theyre from, internal/external) towards certain subjects. Though the sad thing is that capitalism doesnt really give a crap about peoples personal passions. Capitalism wants as many qualified people as possible in the most profitable and promising areas (engineering, computer science, accounting). Thus, i think a lot of modern students are actually being kind of "manipulated" and forced into those subjects while still being too young to actually assess their personal gifts. (They might have the intellectual capabilities to be engineers/software developers/accountants, but the question is do they really enjoy being that or are they just mostly doing it for the monetary gain?) Because we should not forget: At the end of the day the paycheck you receive says very little about your subjective happiness.
The goal of studying hard in the early phase of semester is to attain stability and figure out systems and approach that can make you have good grades and have good understanding of the lesson.
Hard Work just means Acquired Aptitude. Talent means Natural Aptitude. Natural vs Acquired It comes down to intelligence and determination. Most people aren't making the correct argument.
0:10: 📚 Hard work rarely beats talent, but there are ways to find the missing ingredient. 2:53: 💡 Hard work can be futile and cause stress and anxiety, leading to self-doubt. 6:01: 💪 Effort is important, but it's more about using the right methods and optimizing them. 8:55: ! Kobe Bryant's dedication to practice and hard work made him one of the greatest NBA players of all time. 12:29: 💪 Success equals hard work times talent times your processes, and talent is simply the natural ability to intuitively use more optimal processes. Recap by Tammy AI
Guys read the talent code, it talks about everything relating to this talent vs H/W ballad. Essentially the harder you work at something the more talented you become at it because of myelin formation which eases electrical conductivity of impulses that govers the action, it is like oiling up gears that makes the machine work faster & the more the machine works the more the gears get oiled.
It's very hard to extrapolate physical neurology to the actual psychological method with which we approach. Yes it is much easier once plasticity adapts an action for us to expend less energy, thus focus on learning something else, but it's only a very small part of the picture for using both optimal processes and adapting your psychology
Does anyone notice that content about change and hard work has been replaced with defiant definitions, rules, and rigid identities on every social media platform recently?
I'm and Iranian and iranians in general are not good at learning a new language but i was good at it. I see people genuinely work hard but i still get better grades and i barely study
i wonder if this is my core problem. i've always been a "hard worker", but i never zoomed out and focused on understanding the big picture and what technique/method to use. my parents spent my entire life discouraging my interests, likes etc. and telling me that i was stupid. some people really shouldn't be parents...
This made me think of how I made it through my last year of school. My gpa was 1.4 and i brought it up to 3.5 in like 1 month bc I studied for the first time and aced my final exams, even though literally all of my teachers were like "you're fucked pal lol" ..... made me kind of regret not pairing hard work with talent for those last few years even though it worked out in the end and I got to rub their noses in it 😅
There is no way this is possible even if you took all AP classes during your last year and aced each one. It's called grade point average for a reason.
@alyxrjames322 I never said I took AP classes 🤷 I didn't go to school in America either My point is that actually trying for once worked and I should have just done that all along
Only work, works... but efficiency is a multiplier. It's not about "talent", it's about how efficient the learning or study method employed is... and if the learner is trying to brute force an inefficient study method.
The amount of studying I did in college was pretty minimal due to actually working the entire time there but I still managed to graduate with a 3.19 GPA. Some courses were just extremely easy for me because I had a natural talent for those subjects so studying was more just light reviewing. I put most of my efforts into studying heavy math based courses and it was a fucking struggle, but I did figure out constant repetition was the only way my brain figured things out. It's funny things actually start to click for me months later after the class is already over. Guess my brain is just slow to process certain information.
@@syrsonmcjenson Absolutely agree, while i was there I participated in a experimental course where we basically had to sit in front of a computer and take this computer based math course. It played a video teaching you a specific topic then bombarded you with questions and it would not give you points until you fully understood the module. If it noticed any sign of struggle it would keep giving you the same type of problem until you could answer it correctly a few times. That was the first time I've ever gotten an A in a math course because of the forced repetition.
I remember this one prissy teacher's pet back in high school who hated my guts for being a lazy weirdo but still getting better grades than her. My sister was friends with her and found out she basically burned herself out all the time on flash cards and all that jazz, as if she had to prove something to the world. I kinda feel sorry for her in retrospect. The reason why I got good grades is because my "method" of studying, so to speak, was to simply take some time reflecting on everything I learned up to that point every time I returned from school. I just spent some time thinking about the concepts and explaining them to myself in my brain, and even tried to see where those concepts came up on previously learned stuff. I did that for about 20 minutes a day, then I just spent the rest of the day playing videogames and watching TV. Then, at random times in the day, I'd feel the urge to do it again "just to make sure", and spent 20 more minutes, before returning to my videogames.
Why the multiplicative integration of three factors? I feel like the net result is less sensitive to slight variations in process, talent, and hard work. Especially given his definition of process in terms of talent. We really just have two variables here: hard work and talent - defined as the innate capacity to deploy process adaptively. More likely a combination of hard work plus(+) talent so defined.
Thank you for saying this. I'm from a race of people who continue to be told, "you can do anything, be good at anything and become successful by working hard". This is such a lie and collectively as a race of people, we continue to stay at the bottom of every positive measurable statistic. I wish there was a way to make this viral. Especially for people who look like me 😊. Btw, I'm black.
This is because we live in a meritocracy, where we feel justified worshiping people who 'work hard' and therefore merit praise and attention. The meritocracy stems fundamentally from the idea that the brain is like a blank slate that you can, through hard work and practice, imbue/instill/fill with talent and skill. The reality is that the brain is not totally a blank slate and not totally a genetic treasure trove of talent and skill. The reality is that we are genetically gifted with certain mental abilities and it makes certain tasks that society values easier to achieve than others. The problem is that society tends to value certain traits that certain races seem to have more of than others. For example, our school system merits you grades based on your ability to generally memorize facts and keep attention on things that are generally boring and pointless(think things like history class). To those of us who have these two key mental abilities more so than others, we succeed heavily. In black peoples case, it may be that you all lack that ability and thus are not able to compete on the level that the meritocracy requires. Societies response to this is to tell you to 'work harder' but the reality is you could work just as hard as your peers or twice as hard and still only achieve a percentage of what they do. Another point to make is; does 'working hard' have a genetic competent to it? This is important because if the ability to work hard is even partially innate, telling people to work hard is the equivilant of telling a 5'7 guy to dunk on this 6'5 power forward. Sure, it could happen but most likely won't for most people. Read a book called the bell curve it goes into mental ability and race.
The controversy is not about “hardwork vs talent”, but rather “hard work with talent vs hardwork without talent” Because hardwork with talent always beats hardwork without talent, but talent is rare, and a minority. then comes the question, where does the rest of us belong? If we only seek and reward talented hardworking people, then what is the fate of the rest of the normal hardworking people? Are they condemned to be average for life?
Working smarter and taking ownership of your destiny before working hard is a recipe for success. That's why "paying your dues" only works if you're gonna stay where you're at for a long time. Don't work "below the line" for 30 years expecting your company to "see value" in you when you should just learn all the skills it takes to be "above the line" now and take positions that are "above the line".
I work in sales and I'm not the most naturally charismatic person, so I believed only effort would enable me to overcome my weaknesses. However, I have learned that effort doesn't lead to effectiveness in my field as well. There's a baseline level of effort that's required, but for the most part, it's all skill-based. The skill in my work is the ability to have excellent conversations. I have tried the method of just making more calls and getting more people on the phone, but my conversations remained stale and often led to zero results. This led me to really take my work seriously and actually practice the art of conversation by doing more role-plays and doing things outside of work that increased my charisma and self-confidence. After some time, I finally crossed the median level threshold of expectations and am trying to find different ways to be more effective.
The real answer: 1. diminishing returns anything over 2 hours a day of real effort isn't worth your time. 2. effort doesn't matter as much as consistency 3. what you train is more important than how you train. Summary: be consistent and train the right things, and you will be better than 99% of the people around you. Don't worry about talent or hard work because neither really matters.
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Personally, I think hard work should lead to smart work. We tend to associate the term hard work with concepts like long hours, lack of sleep and exhaustion, while it would be more useful if these circumstances were seen as a ''prompt'' to find a way to work smarter (simply to avoid being crushed by them, following natural evolution and self-preservation). Also, the process of simplification is itself ''hard work'', just not in the conventional, general view!
Yes absolutely. Hard work is basically the precursor to smart work. You don't start thinking outside the box unless you are being backed into a corner.
I love it - totally agree.
@@JustinSung hey i think you should add this applies to goals we are atleast capable of achieving.can everybody win a nobel prize in physics nope.when it comes to the peak of competition natural talented one dominates.
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Usually though not always. You can also deliberately spend time to work smarter; that'll require effort in terms of cognitive strain rather than more time.@@0doublezero0
While this certainly would be the ideal I think a big reason why it often doesn't work out like this in practice is the fact that improving a system and making it more efficient tends to require even more effort short- to medium-term. And that is something you may not be able to afford if you're already barely scraping by.
Add the fact that people may not even have the knowledge to really improve their (let's say) study habits or even the awareness that this is in fact quite feasible and I would argue it comes as zero surprise that people get stuck in "work hard, not smart" loops.
“Talent is just the natural ability for someone to intuitively use more optimal processes.”
Wow, that is some deep insight!
It basically means, you need to discover the optimal processes that will give you the desired results . And then train yourself on making them intuitive; second nature.
Then keep upgrading them. So you are able to do more with less.
Thank you Justin! You have literally changed my life.
Thank you brother!
You absolutely nailed it.
Your formulation of that statement is legit🔥
I do think talent is like a unique mindset tho, like how he approached the thing, so the use of optimal processes is just a part of it
I never put that in words like that, but always thought talent as like "that person just figures this out faster than the rest". The definition he gave is incredible!
It’s not true tho. Talent in sports can come from your nervous system, musculoskeletal system, etc. This is straight genetics not “optimization.”
"You can work hard and still do poorly". Can't agree more. All my engineering years, I worked fairly hard, put in multiple extra hours, and attended extra classes. Even after all this extra effort, I managed to get slightly about average grades whereas my few talented peers worked half as hard but produced double the results with exceptional grades. That was the moment when I realised that it is more to it than just hard work.
Everyone always says to work harder and harder. They say that you have not yet achieved success because you have not worked hard enough.
I feel it is only so much hard work you can do because you have limited time and energy and it is only a matter of time before your genetics give up and you get burnt out (probably multiple times) and give up eventually.
Finally someone can understand my point of view. Glad I found you and your channel.
Ok, but put in another way. Against you. After all those effort, you Can do more than before. You are a better version of yourself.
How that does makes you feel towards your career? Would you quit being a engineer in order to dedicate yourself to something you think you are more talented in and grow faster in?
Hard working engineer usually becomes very good n become innovative. And develop something new that is not in the market. Talent is just getting grades better but they dun success as engineer n usually end up as mgmt executives.
Remember mark Rober
this exact scenario ive been on both sides of. The reason people put less effort and succeed in studying is because they understand the essence of the material - which only happens if you grasp the fundamentals from lesson 1 and never break this "chain" (as my teachers call it). From then on you just need to listen in every class about only half the time ( because a big part of it is fluff to make understanding it easier ) and its smooth sailing.
Another way is if they are interested in the subject and have already done personal projects that are more advanced than school material.
If you fall behind from the start the only real way ive found of catching up is by just asking. Ask someone who understands the material to explain it to you and you cheat the system by learning x10 faster. Usually the other person wont bother you and himself with details and will only explain the essence of the subject really well which is enough for you to be able to study the details on your own, or you just ask about the details aswell.
Edit: Now that i think about it my English teacher also showed us a video about "Study smart not hard"
showing data and situations about how more time spent studying isnt effective and only about the first 1-2 hours matter instead of grinding 10.
“Talent is just the natural ability for someone to intuitively use more optimal processes.” Wow that was open eyes sentences
it's not that complicated. People think they can actually beat 1000S OF YEARS of superior gifted DNA, with few years of "hard work" lol!!! Natural Talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hard work" lololol
Yeah change your life mentality because some dude with expensive camera lenses said to.
4:21 1. Hard work has diminishing returns
6:27 2. Effort is fuel
10:29 3. Hard work is also about the type of work that you do
12:22 Two things to do to solve this
You the man
"Taking action is rarely about changing your action immediately. Most of time, especially for things that are difficult and complex, taking action means making decision to learn what action you should take"
I wonder how many people completely skipped over this part of the video? I really think it's a pivotal life concept.
truly inspiring words！！🤙🏻👏🏻
can't beat a guy with both hard work and talent. Met a guy like that....dude was a machine, my man is gonna be a good doctor after 3 years. Wishing him all the best 👍
Hardwork beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
But u have to depend on talented guys to not work hard to beat them 😶
In conclusion, beat your talent hard
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Depends on the talent tbh
@@studysesh1167 Your comment made me laugh, thank you for that.
It’s also enormously BASED when someone who struggles more at doing something, (or has less talent) but works hard anyways. They can see peers easily progressing faster than them, but yet they struggle on and achieve greatness within their own time. I respect people who accomplish something very challenging, even if it was easy for other people.
when I was in elementary school I was in special ed. Teachers considered holding me back a year. I grew up believing I was stupid and was told so by many around me. I graduated high school with a 95% average with nearly 100% in physics and over 95% in math and chemistry. I'll now be graduating from UCLA with a bachelor's in electrical engineering. My point is a lot of the time when you consider yourself untalented in something it's because you haven't put the work in to discover your talent. If I had listened to everyone around me claiming that I would never be good at math and science because I simply lacked the talent I would have given up. Instead, I worked hard and realized I was never dumb but that instead I just needed to try different learning methods and discovered I actually had an aptitude for these subjects. People underestimate how much work It takes to be good at something and how much work so-called "talented" people have put in. They look at a new subject or skill they want to pick up and give up quickly. Telling themselves "My brain simply isn't wired for this stuff." If you are passionate about something give it your all.
Totally agree, people in this comment section are treating hard work like it is just mindlessly doing something over and over, when in truth hard work is just part of developing any skill.
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@@armanigenes Bro just wanted to hate
thats not hard work lol thats perseverence
“Working hard never had anything to do with it. It’s not about how hard you work on something. It’s about doing the right thing.”
Ya. Completely agreed. It's like working really hard and determined to walk from one city to other. The right thing would be to take a cab or some other transport. 😅
In this way you will not work hard but get to that destination in much efficient way
yep when you do the right thing, hard work is still an option that remains open for you. But without doing the right thing, hard work blocks you from learning the right thing.
@@JustinSung❤
doing the right thing and having the opportunity to do the right thing.
there is an Einstein tending to a rice field somewhere in vietnam or africa somewhere that will go nowhere in life.
Facts. A lot of people are not doing the right thing. Their trajectory in life is totally out of the will of God. Their creator did not intend them to do whatever they're doing. That's how I see it. The blessing of the Lord maketh rich and he addeth no sorrow with it.
Really love this video. I think the reason people love to say "Hard work beats talent" is because they see talent as this mysterious gift that people have been privileged with by genetics or something. People don't want to flip a stone to check and see what really is talent. It's just better cognitive recognition and higher-order learning that people do accidentally for one thing. And because they didn't realize that they were doing that, they cant seem to apply that for others. Hence that becomes their "talent". And people like things explained in simplified terms. So they don't even want to wrap their head around what talent really is, or if they can DEVELOP or LEARN to be smart, to be talented. Deploying your brain is seeming to be harder to people than just passively putting in a grind of 10 hours of hard work. When you're active and aware of the processes you're using to improve yourself, you will achieve something even better than talent.
we are shaped by environment
on top of inborn abilities
shaped by what we eat what our parents did to themselves and us early on
they see natural differences and get scared
instead of learning how they are created and choosing all things that narrow gap while stopping caring about whats permanent
some look for excuse to normalize own failures
some get crazy over escaping failures working like horses until dying exhausted
second are more successful but loose life because of posttrauma radicalism and constant stress
both fool themselves never trying to be themselves and doing things for themselves
we are often primed by things we didn't even remember but it doesn't mean we should accept it and not find better way for ourselves
Thanks for leaving a comment. I really do think social media has made this oversimplification an epidemic. Some things in life simply cannot be summarised in a 30 second TikTok.
no need to complicate it when it's really simple. People think they can beat 1000s of years of superior DNA gift, with few years of "hard work" lol!!!
I think the terms "Talent" and "Hard Work" are used as a false dichotomy.
Going by your logic, a better term will be "Proficiency".
Proficiency is something to gain by
1. being Observant of your actions, and their effects
2. Working Hard to practice and eventually build routines
3. LEARNING from your actions and changing to improve them!
@@batkorubEveryone is gifted and has a different area of expertise. However it is possible to outperform others who had a headstart and are labeled as gifted. Although, I agree that there are limitations when you reach the highest level possible but most people use the word blindly. Therefore using the excuse that people are gifted as an excuse to not improve is unacceptable. Unless you have truly made an attempt to surpass someone using smart strategies. I say this because I am highly competitive and outperformed people who were talented simply by watching tutorials and developing muscle memory on whatever I was trying to learn. And unless people saw my journey as I struggled, they would call me gifted as well. But when the gifted person is beat, and the other gifted person who beat the gifted person was also beat, you start to realize that people simply use that word whenever there's someone who is knowledgeable at what they're doing. Basically it is hard to distinguish when someone is gifted unless you have a lengthy background check and they are performing at the highest level where hard from a non gifted person cannot outperform them.
Hard work might not beat talented people but its the only way for ordinary people to stand a chance. Plus hard work is never a waste of time and effort. You might not beat some people but u will definitely improve with hard work and it works 100%
12:06
Success = Hard work x Talent x Processes
Talent is the natural ability to intuitively use more optimal processes.
Thanks Justin!
The sharpening the axe section reminded me of an instance where I was tutoring a student. He was in cal 2 and he was having trouble with some problem and was an engineering major. I asked him to go through the problem and he was going in circles because he didn't remember log rules.
I told him, "hey this problem would be way easier right here, if you used log rules so just go back and review them it'll take you like 15 mins."
He decided that he would rather just memorize and keep doing the same problem again and again rather than going back to basics for a refresher. It was frustrating watching someone just "work" hard for little results.
The best thing about tutoring mathematics was constantly going over the basics as you see new things and connections. So going back to the basics is often very very useful, occasionally.
Edit: Had to fix confusing sentence structure.
Someone can work hard memorising their textbook word-for-word. They probably won’t finish and they probably won’t get top marks.
Justin has said himself that some people take in knowledge faster than others and that they succeed in spite of their methods, rather than because of their methods.
Taking responsibility for as much of your life as you can is great, but there are some things you can’t control and you’ll end up beating yourself up because you think you should be able to control them.
Probably, it's already a summary to the video)
It's just another extreme ideology - that you are 100% responsible for everything.
Just as bad as saying you are not responsible for anyrhing
They don't naturally take in a knowledge faster, their brains have a way of understanding knowledge in different ways, which yes they have the genetic capability of coming up with at a young age but that's about it. Let me give you an example
Take the math question 57*11 (for the average person this would take a minute or 2 & the genius maybe 2 seconds to do)
But the fact is that this type of equation can be done by anyone using a method in 2 seconds also. Read the book by Arthur Benjamin to learn how it's a bit hard to explain but it's super simple to understand I'm just not a very good articulator at the moment. Either way, this proves how much creating techniques to make problems easier helps. While genius' are born with this ability. You can train yourself, expos3 yourself to lots and lots of methods. Develop your inner creativity and flourish in your self made techniques.
There are so many ways to solve problems you just have to practice quick and concise problem solving like th3 other day I made a formula of my own to convert currency between 3 different currencies simultaneously instead of doing them one by one. It's not something a genius couldn't do but I'm proud of myself for doing It. I hope you understand you have just as much as potential as any genius with smart and hard work!
I used to think that my hard work can't catch up to those that are talented, but I still tried to work harder anyways. I realized that became a fixed mindset and that my hard work is not "working as effectively."
Thanks to your iCS course (not finished yet), I was able to understand that if I challenge and change my cognitive processes, then working hard to change would help me a lot.
As the common saying goes, working hard by doing the same thing won't yield different results. It's the methods that matter, not only the effort!
The insights you give are awesome, thanks Justin!!
So glad you've had positive results. Thanks for sharing :)
no need to try, do something else. People think they can beat 1000s of years of superior gifted DNA, with few years of "hard work" lol!!! Natural talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hard work" lololol
@@jadenpark7943By your logic, Children of every successful mathematician should be a successful mathematician, ar children of a grandmaster should be naturally good at chess, which is almost never the case. There are n no of facts which determines how successful a person would be.And I have noticed more often than not the way of working is wayyyyy more important than working long hours.
@@sagnikmishra7147 it depends on health, wellness, and attractiveness of the parents. More cleaner they are, they pass on the superior genes to their children which will have easier time adapting or already-gifted with some abilities. Also factor in financial situation, power positions and more from the parents who can give the children whatever they got
@@jadenpark7943 first of all attractiveness has nothing to do with intelligence. Second thing is you are criminally underestimating hardwork put in by people you consider "Naturally talented". Einstein worked on General Relativity for 7 long years, continuously. Imagine working on a single problem for almost a decade!! Most of us wouldn't last a week. Feynman's wife divorced him because apparently he was solving Calculas problems all night long. So genes, while plays a part in brilliance, more often than not environment, resilience, curiosity can turn an ordinary person into extraordinary
Definitely resonates with me. I have seen so many of my peers struggle through high school while I easily gotten an ATAR of 99.3 without much studying, I wasn't even in a good school.
Thanks to your course, I realised that I have an inherent deep processing ability, which I am fine tuning now
Leave something for the rest of us mere mortals. You're gonna be unstoppable!
"Talent is just the natural ability for someone to intuitively use more optimal processes", this is one of the hardest lines I have ever heard. It literally explains everything
It took me from age 16 to 21 to even start in a career that fit me, and another 4 years to now being very successful. All it took was hard work and perseverance. I know plenty of people who were way smarter than me but just gave up way earlier. Of course success and money isn’t the most important thing and it’s not for everyone. But I prioritized and consistently put in the work and even showed up when I wanted to give. That’s how I got here. Now I’m working smarter but just as hard. It’s an S curve. Telling people to work smart not hard is inaccurate. Work hard and you’ll become smart eventually. But don’t think you can work smart without sacrifice and dedication. That’s a fools errand.
I loved this. I played field hockey in high school and was always the top scorer every season, always the fastest, always a starter and played the entire game.
We got a new coach who decided that they didn't like me, so they benched me the entire season. She would constantly say "hard work beats talent" to the team and look at me every time she said it.
Most girls would join expensive off season camps, my family could not afford to sign me up.
The perception was that I didn't care enough to attend those camps and that I would just show up with the skill level I had, but what no one knew was that while they spent thousands of dollars attending camps and not progressing, I was in my backyard running sprints, going to the gym to get stronger, teaching myself new tricks to use and envisioning myself using my skills on the field. I would run with cross country in the summer to improve my speed and agility.
No one saw that and of course I wasn't going to explain.
This was over 10 years ago and her statement still haunts me. Thanks for this video, I can now have a little more faith in myself especially now knowing that my teenage brain was right to question the validity of "hard work beats talent."
That’s a lot of politics should have brought it up to the principal or other coaches, if you really were as good as you say you were you could have gotten around this
“Talent is something you make bloom, instinct is something you polis”. You might not be born with talent but maybe tomorrow, next month, next year or never, your talent may bloom. Even without talent you can still be on the same stage as those with talent. You might not be the very best, but you sure as heck can give the best their run for money.
OIKAWA???
how do you polish instinct which is often holistic and subconscious thinking 😂
usually you just do more and start seeing pattern if you aren't too much fixated on narrow thoughtless execution
@@szymonbaranowski8184 You just answered your own question
Love it
@@studysesh1167 Then wouldn't the word "Discipline" fit to summarize the answer to what question they had asked?
It doesn't matter how much hours you study ,but it does matter what you study in a limited amount of time😊 ,if you are studying for competitive exams ,look at the previous years questions and answers ,know how the questions are constructed ,get help from those who have cracked this exam,and attempt the question in the given time ,and know the overall subject ,that's it 😊❤,
And talent is called smart work.
Super cool video. Thank you for making it.
It kinda reminds me of quote I read in a manga: "someone who works hard, can never beat someone who enjoys himself"
Not that hard work in itself is problematic but the way it forms you into this "just work hard to get there - machine" mindset instead of beeing reasonable with your effort, knowing what u can do, pushing yourself a little bit and getting to a point where you actually enjoy these challenges.
Your example with the 120h studying week reminded me of the recovery problem when it comes to gaining physical abilities. Just hard work is not gonna cut it, as u will burn out like a meteor if u only focus on the hard work. Some bodybuilder once said "sleeping less to get more hours in the gym in is like jumping over 100 Dollar bills to pick up pennies".
Imo consistency is everything even when it comes to failing and overcoming it. Bc that is probably THE key skill in life.
Manga teaches us all we need to know about life.
a baki quote?
@@0_0... yep
We all have those coworkers who remember everything and just tell people to study more. I’m thinking dude I study twice as much as you do and I still can’t compete with you. I’m so sick of that feeling. I might have to sign up for Justin’s course ❤
nah blame your parents. People think they can beat 1000s of years of superior gifted DNA, with few years of "hard work" lol!!!
So... stop competing.
You have no idea how harmful competition is, both for the individual and for society.
In my opinion talent is when someone has more context to a certain topic/subject and so they have an upper hand against someone who started from knowing absolutely nothing. The topic/subject is going to be more intuitive to the "talented" person. Talent is something that can be practiced and learned over time not something you're born with. It's all dependent on past experiences and chance encounters.
I personally love that everyone is trying to predict what I'm going to say in this video. Let's see who nailed it 😁
My bet is that the video will be on working smart rather than hard. 😉
Hard work doesn't beat talent, smart work beats talent
Nothing beats both
But what if talent starts to put in work with the right strategies then he becomes a beast like Messi perhaps.
@@abdullahtayyab3344it's more like smart work *can* beat talent. Doesn't mean it will beat it 100% of the time
Smart and talented are essentially the same in this case.
As a professional Voice coach that works with celebrities and newer singers my experience has been that those with talent start killing their competition when they decide to put in the work regardless of how much hard work the less talented person puts in. Maybe that's not always the case but, so far, I haven't seen the exception. 🙁
stopping comparing to others and focusing on goal with passion works for everybody
people without talent are usually people with hidden trauma fixated on comparing and with escape from failure always on mind chronically
@@szymonbaranowski8184 Ok, but competition is natural in terms of jobs and stuff. People will want to hire better voice actors, those that don't make the cut won't get jobs. We can't just ignore competition when it comes to the job market.
@@szymonbaranowski8184 its not that serious
That's rough, and the reality is that in some industries, it's so toxic that there are ways that other people can just crush you unfairly. But I suppose those are outside of our control anyway and it's one of the unfortunate realities we have to try our best to navigate (and change if possible).
@@JustinSung What do you think about something like basketball where it doesn't matter how hard a 4'11 guy works if they want to make it to the NBA? Talent certainly matters.
Hard work is like a vector quantity , no matter how greater the magnitude is , its all worth nothing if your hardwork doesnt have a right direction i.e. correct process and techniques are required
and with pure magnitude only , you would have to go through a path with lots of trials and errors until you find the correct process and techniques
or you are just fantasizing. People think they can actually beat 1000S OF YEARS of superior gifted DNA, with few years of "hard work"? lol!!! Natural Talent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hard work" lololol
You’re rewarded for how well you do. Not how hard you work
This is true. I worked my ass off at my last job. We were even understaffed and I was constantly given my cohorts responsibilities. I also tried to achieve all the standards and go by the book.
I got burnt out really bad and my performance really suffered.
My other coworkers who were quiet quitting/calling out for mental health days ended up getting promoted and raises
Justin, ur freaking awesome, the ability to think out of the box of mindless productivity gurus online. I am a doctor, with double degree and now in US , residency pursuing derm, I cant appreciate ur guidance more.
It's essential to recognize that both hard work and talent have their places in the journey to success. Talent might open doors, but hard work and a growth mindset are often the keys to keeping those doors open and achieving long-term goals. This video offers valuable insights into this complex and ongoing discussion.
I want to add that refining the “process” of what you’re learning can cause you to learn slower in the beginning but once you set that process up it will not only help you learn faster but deepen your learning. I think that’s what most people don’t understand. The “faster” you learn the more you’re just relying on memorization and regurgitation. You can ask what does this have to do with work? It has everything to do with work because how deeply you learn something can help refine the ways in which you have to perform that work and make more efficient processes to do that work.
I keenly acknowledge your proposition. I have wasted thousands of hours from my invaluable adolescence and youth period believing in the myth of "If you work hard, you will be successful" or "Hard work pays off". Now I despicably regret for that toiling days, for they are now irreversible to be rectified.
My family, society, school, college, university all of them said me to work hard. But none of them taught me how to work hard efficiently, so that today or tomorrow I get the result hand in hand.
I personally thank you, Dr. Justin Sung, for you have helped me realize the joy of learning. Not only that, I can retain whatever I learn for long time ever since I have discovered my potentiality through your videos.
As a game designer, this couldnt be more true. It doesnt matter how fast a ship is going if its headed in the wrong direction. At the top level, everyone works hard and a few more hours is likely going to lead to burnout instead of success.
Also the Kobe Bryant analagy is an interesting one. Kobe worked harder than almost everyone but he isnt considered a top 5 players by most analysts. Jordan, Lebron Kareem, Wilt etc are more effective players.
Kobe is widely considered to be the 2nd greatest player ever at his position, which is the same position Michael Jordan played.
I found my places to put effort in...would like if any suggestions are given on these-
1.Observe the exam times of the tuitions(These are held in one or two weeks of gap and 1,2,3 or more subjects and chapters based)
2.Make a schedule that is likely to match my exam times.
3.Try to improve my remembering asset(by improving memory I am going to take less time to revise it)
4.Increase focus
5.Learn deep-Connect everyday what I learn into a big framework for each chapters.
Very interesting. Intuitively, I think this is exactly correct. I've seen people do exceptionally well despite not being obviously smarter than others, or working so hard. It could of course be that they are simply naturally talented in a narrow way in what they do, but its far more likely that its all about study technique. I'm in my 50's so beyond being able to use Dr. Sungs techniques (although I've found them very insightful for my language learning), but looking back I can see that the things I was 'naturally talented' at in years past was more due to accidentally hitting on a good method for taking in and using information (for example, I loved speed reading books as a student, but I was never good at concentrated study - so I was much better at 'generalist' knowledge subjects like history and geography than those that needed specific knowledge like biology). It is amazing really that I managed to go through school and college and post-grad without ever giving the slightest thought to 'how' rather than 'how much' I was studying. Oh well.
I want to add a solution 3 this is something i have learned from martial arts and learning another language and that is surround yourself around the right people and community who will provide the proper feedback and its better if they are around irl rather than online, i cant stress this enough its not just them giving the feedback but when you also give feedback it will cement whatever you are trying to do or learn and the best part about it is that it will make the process even more fun since you are growing together.
It doesn't matter if talent surpass your hard work. Work hard as you can. There is no another way.
depends, working hard at something you're not talented in is a waste of time unless you enjoy that activity
Working on my skills with justin since months, now I can say that at a certain point it feels like you finally have the helm of the ship in your hands, but then you look back and realize you spent months of hard work building the entire ship 😂. I refused to practice a lot of times when Justin told the practice amount needed, but now that I paid it I can say it is worth my academic life quality. ❤🎉
Haha thanks for dropping by my YT comments. Awesome to hear :)
This drives home what I wish I could say to those who are genuinely trying to improve but are having difficulty improving, while they are also refusing help from other people
If the ax is dull
and its edge unsharpened,
more strength is needed,
but skill will bring success.
- Eccles 10.10
If hard work cannot beat talent, there is nothing to do about it. If there is nothing to do about it, it becomes unnecessary. Contiune to hardwork.
Maybe someone is finally telling the truth. And from there, we can set realistic expectations and push ourselves in healthy way.
He has also said that you can train your IQ, so i don't know what's your truth, it's definitely not the one
@@eleonorabrajkovska604 I think you can train IQ in some sense but you are born with what you are born with. I think you can be less ignorant but increasing your working memory and reasoning skills can only be trained so much.
Iq can be trained but there is a certain limit, u cannot beat who have very good iq inherently. So, the optimistic approach should be to reach your best.(your best might not be the real best).
Pushing ourselves in a healthy way is a great perspective and wording!
This video reminded me of a Manga by the name of Jujutsu Kaisen. In that Manga there’s a character named Gojo Satoru who is the strongest(or at least one of the strongest) sorcerers to have ever existed. All of Gojo’s peers have accepted that they will never catch up to him because not only is he super talented he also constantly puts in effort to improve his technique making it impossible for them to catch up to him.
This can be seen as them giving up, but it can also be seen as them choosing to focus on themselves and do what they can to succeed in their own right. Instead of choosing to be stressed over beating someone they can never touch.
Fortunately, with Sung’s course I’ve found myself gradually changing my mindset to focusing on my personal best, and adopting techniques I know will help me succeed once acquired.
Yea one thing though is that in real life, natural talent is never as totally overpowered as having been born with both Six Eyes and Limitless Technique + Genius ability to master techniques within like 1 or 2 years.
But even in an anime world, there is still one (relatively normal-ish) guy who managed to stab Gojo in the neck.
@@JustinSung Oh, this is a welcome surprise. I never knew you were into the series. Who's your favorite character?
And yet, Toji obliterated him - who only survived out of plot convenience -.
That's similar to real life. "Talent vs. hard work" is kind of absurd, as both of them are not isolated terms. You can get what people calls "talent" if you work in a specific way, trying to acquire such talent. You can "learn" how to be talented. Part of what people calls "talent" is genetic. Just some part. Other part is highly environmentally dependant. And, even the genetic part, isn't completely impossible to modify - epigenetics -.
There are also a myriad of other factors coming into play: free time, money to spend, psychological health, emotional engagement, social pressure, motivation, nutrition, and a big etc.
So yeah; the correct scope is to try to better yourself. That will always be fruitful, no matter the situation.
@@erigor11 Yoy think Toji is based on hardwork alone. Heavenly restriction means zero curse energy in exchange for impossible human stats so he is talented as well.
@@tejiriamrasa3258 Again, the point is that "hardwork vs. talent" is mostly an absurd dilemma.
Of course Toji was gifted - a more appropiate term in this case than "talented" -. The point is that the supposedly biggest genius by far who could literally destroy humanity as a whole if he wanted because his powers are utterly absurd due to him being more talented and gifted than anyone else... got destroyed by a guy without magic (and being able to use magic is mainly how characters value "talent" in their context).
Reality is multifactorial and way more complex than an extremely minimalist "hardwork vs. talent".
anyone who has competed in the college level sports or above feels this deeply. Once you've reached the level where everyone around you is legit, hardwork doesn't matter anymore, talent shines brightly, and talent will more easily work at your "hard" level...
Can you make a video about motivation? Types of motivations, procrastination, the fear of failure and the inability to simply starting something? I don't know if that's something you're as knowledgeable about as you are in learning and studying but it would be a cool video regardless to get your perspective on this. Great video as always!
I agree with your perspective that hardwork alone can't beat talent, it must consist of a small talent and a massive hard work.
I arrived to the same conclusion as you as i was studying for my mrcp. I think a good way to put it is in terms of gaming
Imagine you are playing a rts game and you dont invest any resources into buulding your economy. You just spam tier 1 infantry and rally your units to your enemies base. Thats a recipe for losing hard.
That is analagous to studying your ass off by copying your notes over and over and going to the exam.
The rts analogy is as such
There is a saying in card games/ rts games , and that is
To win, you must either
A) play much faster than your opponnent
B) play slightly slower than your opponent.
Fast(means rush out tier 1s and go) slow( means eco up then steamroll)
A) If your exam is in 2 weeks, there is no time to sharpen your axe or eco up. Just do the most high yield stuff, which is almost always to get your hands on past year questions and do them over and over.
B) if your exam is in 6 months time, then spend time to learn how to learn.
Read up on memory techniques - there are tonnea of books and resources on the web
Try to develop an interest in whatever you are studying. If you have to study something really boring that you really dislike, then try to read up on interesting things about that topic. If you hate studying Chinese, read up about romance of the 3 kingdoms / monkey king etc in your free time instead of memorizing essays. If you hate physics, then go read up about einstein and newton, hell, maybe just watch the big bang theory
Talk to someone who is passionate about the topic, watch youtube videos with educators that are more talented and passionate then your grunpy old uni professors.
The list goes on and on
LOL I got this notification while practicing and was suddenly reminded how many naturally gifted
and hardworking musicians there are. I'm still trying to find a nice work ethic myself but it seems I burn out a lot😂
We can't always be Ling Ling, but we can all be a little Lingier to make our effort do more for us.
@@JustinSung this was oddly motivating
@@JOP_Danninx fr no one motivates like he does
Thats because the mental resistance to burning out is a talent as well. Thats the funny part nobody gets. The ability to stay focused without burning out is a talent. Get it? Theres some people who just have this innate ability to work for long periods of time with little or no reward and their brain doesn't burn out.
@@jasonm7684 I would love to learn more about this innate ability
When most people say “hard work beats talent” they’re usually not talking about school. There obviously needs to be a healthy balance but IMO this phrase is fairly accurate for most careers (where talent is hardly necessary) talent will only take you so far in the real world.
"Talent is simply just the natural ability for someone to intuitively use more optimal processes". Such a powerful observation you have made!! 🙌
Hard beats talent when talent doesn’t work, the problem with people who have talent is that their conditioned to winning so much there not exposed to their flaws it’s hard to self-reflect when all you do is win.
When I was in highschool we had a player in your team who was 6’6, since he was always tall never really needed to practice since he was also athletic and he would average 15 points just of putbacks and rebounds.
He ended highschool with 0 offers while 3 people on our team (who were shorter than him one being 5’10) had offers to D3 and D2 schools.
He now works in construction (nothing wrong with that) but I recently caught up with he explicitly told me he wishes he tried harder in high school because he knows 100% he could have gotten offers if he developed a jump shot and handles. Since he had so much raw talent he was never really keen to fixing his weaknesses.
So yes hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard
So what happened when talent does work hard? Good luck competing. I know what he’s saying and it makes perfect sense because I struggled hard even with hardwork but learned to optimize my study strategies is what helped me achieve my goals without killing myself
People never talk about the most obvious sport regarding that topic: bodybuilding. With my thin body, no steroids, nutrition and sport will ever make me win vs ronnie coleman. You can SEE why. Its the same thing where the competition is about cognitive skills like math, with the difference that you cant see it.
@@Golden2Talon right but Ronnie Colman isn’t an example to use here he had talent AND work ethic my point still remains hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work
@@TheRedemptionRain that’s the thing talent often doesn’t work hard because there so used to relying on their gifts they developed during their youth, they never put energy into learning fundamentals or building strong work ethic, not a difficult concept to understand, we all know someone who had genius level talent but zero work ethic to match.
But yes if your talented AND you have strong work ethic then yes you will beat someone who doesn’t have talent not that hard a concept to understand
@@htchamber2776 he could only work hard because of his genetics!
people who believe hard work beats talent have never actualy met talented people. They usualy work much harder AND smarter than the average person precisely because they are talented.They are more efficient with their time. Also, if hard work was the key to sucess, you'd see a lot more variety of champions in sports for example. In reality, you see the precise opposite- a small minority of people tend to gather all the titles. Why is that? everyone is working hard. I dont think a champion is a champion just because he worked 10x harder than EVERYONE, thats not possible. He simply is more talented and trained BETTER. You can study physics as much as you, but most likely you'll never be as good as Feyman or Einstein.
Overreacting to overreacting, talk long enough and you'll see that most people today lack humble gratitude. The result is trying to redefine reality to maximize how one feels about themselves and others see him or her.
I think level of focus, level of interest and action with intent is also key. Someone could spend extensive hrs working/studying but they could be distracted, disinterested and not have the dedicated mental focus or apply any effort. Even a talented person can have a not so talented person surpass their achievement if their focus and level of interest and action is not applied.
What you forget is that you shouldn't compare the amount of study-time someone is putting in without evaluting their pre- existiert knowledge in a particular field. You can dramatically improve if you stretch out your efforts over longer periodes of time while keeping up a constant, not too stressful, effort. And you need help.Private tuition. That works wonders.
as someone who doesn't believe in talent, this is going to be an interesting video to watch
Really what a joke
I think he's gonna talk about something like how hard work means nothing if technique/execution isn't right.
@@MichaeI48but title says about talent
You have to work. Believing onlybin talent is dangerous . But if you work, you have to do work that makes things happen not work for work.
@@hellobro7134he’s right. Look at his most recent community post.
You have power over your mind- not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.
Marcus Aurelius
Work smart and hard. Persist and resist with your goal and determination
Thank you, for this information...my take away.... is to not beat ourselves up when we fail... and to look at this as a learning experience to understand why we fail and improve on that... Which will be putting into action the changes we have learned... It may seem a bit slower but in the long run....It will be a more effective outcome...which could lead to the success we all are searching for...😊
As a talented painter and an artist who works pretty hard easily beats an artist who only work hard with not a lot talent. For example u could see progress between each of my drawings but my artist friends are pretty much were staying at the same spot in a series of 10 artworks
More than a decade ago I dropped out of undergraduate engineering. I worked so hard in those three semesters, and I bombed out so hard. I was one of those students from an underprivileged background who only knew how to work hard.
Unfortunately working hard and failing has consequences. Your boy has been making minimum wage since 2014 😬
Thanks for sharing your story. Working hard is an admirable trait but unfortunately it's gotten to a point where it's an extreme and toxic fixation for most young people.
you are not alone
@@JustinSung Toxic is very accurate definition of ''hard work'' and success
Thank you so much 🥹 you changed my perspective in learning. I am a law student and I am having a difficult time learning all legal concepts. I owe you my life Dr. Sung!
Im a psych major, maybe this helps.
Theres a particular model in psychology that discusses this phenomenon.
1) hard work at first leads to a higher probability to have interest in somethingg
2) at first, if you have talent you will achieve success more easily and with less effort
3) the further you progress in your field of expertise, the more factors like e.g motivation, volition etc gain importance.
Overall, theres certain fields of expertise that require a certain amount of talent (e.g logical thinking, motor skills etc). In fields that require at least a minimum of talent in tthose areas, its probable that you wont achieve the same success or expertise as someone with those talents. But more important than talent is directed practice (this has its limit too), high performance motivation and resilience.
I hope this helps, english isnt my first language
“Hard work doesn’t beat talent when talent works hard.” -Phil Heath, professional bodybuilder
PEDs> Talent and Hard work
sucess is talent + hardwork + upbringing + influence + luck
Amazing somebody actually speaks the reality about talent. No hard work cannot beat talent.
“Talent is the ability to use more optimal processes.” Fantastic!
Yes! I was thinking about this a decent bit recently. Like with typing, you can work really hard trying to get to 200 wpm, but if you are using 2 fingers (the process), then it is much harder to get there even with hard work. It's only when you start using a superior technique or method (like 10 fingers) that you can then put in a lot of hard work to get there. And it seems that the "talented" mainly just happened to use the better techniques/methods first or were previously taught them.
Yeah I agree with this video. It was still ridiculous why artists advise beginners to practice a whole lot and people still believe they're right. As an art student I felt that advice is vague.
It's something bruce McIntyre often decried decades ago
I like that picture you painted with the sharpening of one’s ax and then expanding that by adding how it’s crucial to _learn_ the proper way to sharpen one’s ax.
Nice use of symbolism and imagery
"Hard work beats talent ONLY when talent doesn't work hard, but when talent also works hard, you're screwed."
Iam always contradictory to that statement...that hardwork beats talent....Thanks Justin to prove it right..❤
The problem lies within the word "work" itself.
We usually refer to work as something we dont really want to do but have to "endure" in order to gain something (money, status). But people who show natural passion towards a subject/hobby do not see work (or better: effort) as something they have to "endure". They are emotionally connected to the subject and are thus passionate by default.
Also, i think its naive to treat practise/studying as something purely quantitative. The quality and what youre actually doing while studying/practising matters a lot. If you play an instrument, it might be more wise to spend 1 hour focused on a narrow problem rather than 3 hours of just fooling around. Thats why everyone has that one friend who plays the guitar for 10 years but who still sounds kind of amateurish.
However, i definitely think everyone of us has some natural inclinations (wherever theyre from, internal/external) towards certain subjects. Though the sad thing is that capitalism doesnt really give a crap about peoples personal passions. Capitalism wants as many qualified people as possible in the most profitable and promising areas (engineering, computer science, accounting). Thus, i think a lot of modern students are actually being kind of "manipulated" and forced into those subjects while still being too young to actually assess their personal gifts. (They might have the intellectual capabilities to be engineers/software developers/accountants, but the question is do they really enjoy being that or are they just mostly doing it for the monetary gain?)
Because we should not forget: At the end of the day the paycheck you receive says very little about your subjective happiness.
THIS IS THE NAIL
The goal of studying hard in the early phase of semester is to attain stability and figure out systems and approach that can make you have good grades and have good understanding of the lesson.
Hard Work just means Acquired Aptitude.
Talent means Natural Aptitude.
Natural vs Acquired
It comes down to intelligence and determination.
Most people aren't making the correct argument.
0:10: 📚 Hard work rarely beats talent, but there are ways to find the missing ingredient.
2:53: 💡 Hard work can be futile and cause stress and anxiety, leading to self-doubt.
6:01: 💪 Effort is important, but it's more about using the right methods and optimizing them.
8:55: ! Kobe Bryant's dedication to practice and hard work made him one of the greatest NBA players of all time.
12:29: 💪 Success equals hard work times talent times your processes, and talent is simply the natural ability to intuitively use more optimal processes.
Recap by Tammy AI
Guys read the talent code, it talks about everything relating to this talent vs H/W ballad.
Essentially the harder you work at something the more talented you become at it because of myelin formation which eases electrical conductivity of impulses that govers the action, it is like oiling up gears that makes the machine work faster & the more the machine works the more the gears get oiled.
It's very hard to extrapolate physical neurology to the actual psychological method with which we approach. Yes it is much easier once plasticity adapts an action for us to expend less energy, thus focus on learning something else, but it's only a very small part of the picture for using both optimal processes and adapting your psychology
@@xxxx-rn3yu There is always a bigger picture I guess.
Does anyone notice that content about change and hard work has been replaced with defiant definitions, rules, and rigid identities on every social media platform recently?
I'm and Iranian and iranians in general are not good at learning a new language but i was good at it. I see people genuinely work hard but i still get better grades and i barely study
i wonder if this is my core problem. i've always been a "hard worker", but i never zoomed out and focused on understanding the big picture and what technique/method to use. my parents spent my entire life discouraging my interests, likes etc. and telling me that i was stupid. some people really shouldn't be parents...
This made me think of how I made it through my last year of school. My gpa was 1.4 and i brought it up to 3.5 in like 1 month bc I studied for the first time and aced my final exams, even though literally all of my teachers were like "you're fucked pal lol" ..... made me kind of regret not pairing hard work with talent for those last few years even though it worked out in the end and I got to rub their noses in it 😅
There is no way this is possible even if you took all AP classes during your last year and aced each one. It's called grade point average for a reason.
@alyxrjames322 I never said I took AP classes 🤷 I didn't go to school in America either
My point is that actually trying for once worked and I should have just done that all along
Your channels a gift, I have found learning to be far more enjoyable because of your videos! Thank you!!!
I'm so glad!
Only work, works... but efficiency is a multiplier. It's not about "talent", it's about how efficient the learning or study method employed is... and if the learner is trying to brute force an inefficient study method.
Smart work
This is impossible to overestimate. Thank you, Justin!
The amount of studying I did in college was pretty minimal due to actually working the entire time there but I still managed to graduate with a 3.19 GPA. Some courses were just extremely easy for me because I had a natural talent for those subjects so studying was more just light reviewing. I put most of my efforts into studying heavy math based courses and it was a fucking struggle, but I did figure out constant repetition was the only way my brain figured things out. It's funny things actually start to click for me months later after the class is already over. Guess my brain is just slow to process certain information.
actually dead studying doesnt work, if possible try practice question, it might better than just reading thru material
@@syrsonmcjenson Absolutely agree, while i was there I participated in a experimental course where we basically had to sit in front of a computer and take this computer based math course. It played a video teaching you a specific topic then bombarded you with questions and it would not give you points until you fully understood the module. If it noticed any sign of struggle it would keep giving you the same type of problem until you could answer it correctly a few times. That was the first time I've ever gotten an A in a math course because of the forced repetition.
I remember this one prissy teacher's pet back in high school who hated my guts for being a lazy weirdo but still getting better grades than her. My sister was friends with her and found out she basically burned herself out all the time on flash cards and all that jazz, as if she had to prove something to the world. I kinda feel sorry for her in retrospect.
The reason why I got good grades is because my "method" of studying, so to speak, was to simply take some time reflecting on everything I learned up to that point every time I returned from school. I just spent some time thinking about the concepts and explaining them to myself in my brain, and even tried to see where those concepts came up on previously learned stuff. I did that for about 20 minutes a day, then I just spent the rest of the day playing videogames and watching TV. Then, at random times in the day, I'd feel the urge to do it again "just to make sure", and spent 20 more minutes, before returning to my videogames.
Thank you Justin. I've been trying hard Not to step back and accept the short-term loss. Thanks for the clarity.
Why the multiplicative integration of three factors? I feel like the net result is less sensitive to slight variations in process, talent, and hard work. Especially given his definition of process in terms of talent. We really just have two variables here: hard work and talent - defined as the innate capacity to deploy process adaptively. More likely a combination of hard work plus(+) talent so defined.
Thank you for saying this. I'm from a race of people who continue to be told, "you can do anything, be good at anything and become successful by working hard". This is such a lie and collectively as a race of people, we continue to stay at the bottom of every positive measurable statistic. I wish there was a way to make this viral. Especially for people who look like me 😊.
Btw, I'm black.
This is because we live in a meritocracy, where we feel justified worshiping people who 'work hard' and therefore merit praise and attention. The meritocracy stems fundamentally from the idea that the brain is like a blank slate that you can, through hard work and practice, imbue/instill/fill with talent and skill. The reality is that the brain is not totally a blank slate and not totally a genetic treasure trove of talent and skill. The reality is that we are genetically gifted with certain mental abilities and it makes certain tasks that society values easier to achieve than others. The problem is that society tends to value certain traits that certain races seem to have more of than others. For example, our school system merits you grades based on your ability to generally memorize facts and keep attention on things that are generally boring and pointless(think things like history class). To those of us who have these two key mental abilities more so than others, we succeed heavily. In black peoples case, it may be that you all lack that ability and thus are not able to compete on the level that the meritocracy requires. Societies response to this is to tell you to 'work harder' but the reality is you could work just as hard as your peers or twice as hard and still only achieve a percentage of what they do. Another point to make is; does 'working hard' have a genetic competent to it? This is important because if the ability to work hard is even partially innate, telling people to work hard is the equivilant of telling a 5'7 guy to dunk on this 6'5 power forward. Sure, it could happen but most likely won't for most people. Read a book called the bell curve it goes into mental ability and race.
A fact is to identify you talent then work smart and hard on it. Also you have to have a passion in what you do!
Talent is a huge force multiplier. Hard work is just force. But you still have to work/use the force multiplier. Anything times zero is still zero.
The controversy is not about “hardwork vs talent”,
but rather “hard work with talent vs hardwork without talent”
Because hardwork with talent always beats hardwork without talent, but talent is rare, and a minority. then comes the question, where does the rest of us belong?
If we only seek and reward talented hardworking people, then what is the fate of the rest of the normal hardworking people?
Are they condemned to be average for life?
Most people are average in most things. At best, we can become above average in some things and maybe master something.
Working smarter and taking ownership of your destiny before working hard is a recipe for success.
That's why "paying your dues" only works if you're gonna stay where you're at for a long time. Don't work "below the line" for 30 years expecting your company to "see value" in you when you should just learn all the skills it takes to be "above the line" now and take positions that are "above the line".
I work in sales and I'm not the most naturally charismatic person, so I believed only effort would enable me to overcome my weaknesses. However, I have learned that effort doesn't lead to effectiveness in my field as well. There's a baseline level of effort that's required, but for the most part, it's all skill-based. The skill in my work is the ability to have excellent conversations. I have tried the method of just making more calls and getting more people on the phone, but my conversations remained stale and often led to zero results. This led me to really take my work seriously and actually practice the art of conversation by doing more role-plays and doing things outside of work that increased my charisma and self-confidence. After some time, I finally crossed the median level threshold of expectations and am trying to find different ways to be more effective.
The real answer:
1. diminishing returns anything over 2 hours a day of real effort isn't worth your time.
2. effort doesn't matter as much as consistency
3. what you train is more important than how you train.
Summary: be consistent and train the right things, and you will be better than 99% of the people around you. Don't worry about talent or hard work because neither really matters.
I‘m a strong believer of the Pareto-Principal!