Zenza Bronica ETR Si / 135W film back / Panoramic Photography | Film Camera Review
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Episode 6 "Zenza Bronica ETR Si / 135W film back (Panorama)"
Zenza Bronica ETR Si is the 6x4.5cm medium film camera. It normally uses a 120 film to shoot 6x4.5cm photo. This time I used 135W film back to shoot 5.4x2.4cm panorama photo with 35mm film. It is a very interesting camera to shoot! I highly recommend to have an experience with this camera!
Zenza Bronica ETR Si
Color: Black
Dates: 1989
ASA(ISO): 25~3200
Lens mount: Bronica ETR mount (6 x 4.5cm)
Shutter Speed: 1/500~8s~B
Weight: 480g (body only) / (body + 75mm + back + waist level finder) / 1520g (body + 75mm + back + Prism Finder-E)
Zenzanon EII 75mm f2.8
Focal Length: 75mm (50mm equivalent on 35mm)
Close Focus: 60mm/2.4in
Aperture: f2.8~f22
Weight: 440g (15.5oz)
Accessary: waist level finder / Prism Finder-EII / 135W Film back (panorama) / 120mm film back (6 x 4.5) / Speed grib
Photos in the video are going to be uploaded on my instagram.
You can also view the photo on my website.
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Cool niche specialty film backs like this are so cool. I've been struggling so much adapting 35mm to my medium format Yashica TLR. It is such a cumbersome processes, that I wish I had a solution like this. But I haven't let that get in the way of filming myself making sprocket photos with the TLR and posting it on my youtube channel. Guess I'm just a glutton for punishment. Thank you so much for sharing. Your shots are great btw your middle frame at 5:57 is dope. The foreground and middle ground draw you in to the middle and the background zig zag draws your eyes up. Overall in your images you're making great use of contrast and balancing negative & positive space. Subscribed! Can't wait to see what you shoot next
Excellent review of the Bronica ETRSi with the W 135 film back. Your images looked great. I traded some things I had for a Bronica ETRS that a wedding photographer had. I was surprised at how light this camera is compared to my Mamiya 645 Pro. It seems to be a very well designed camera body with excellent lenses. This is a real bargain camera considering the quality of the medium format images or the panorama images you get with the W 135 back. I love medium format film because of the excellent quality of the images compared to 35mm cameras. MF film images have soul compared to digicams, IMHO. Keep up the good work.!
Thank you! I think bronica is a really great deal. It is very affordable price and picture is great. Although 135 film back is bit hard to find, it makes a interesting picture indeed. I hope you have a great time with your camera!! Thank you for enjoying and supporting my channel!! :)
jep same here, also it uses leaf shutters compared to mamiyas, and lenses are cheap so if the shutter has issues, just buy a new lens for about 150$ and youre good again. way better than buying a new body
A lot lighter though without the extra image size of a square 120 or a 6x7 format camera. But you do get more shots on a film.
Hello! I have the same setup, minus the waist level and plus more 120 backs and lenses. Had it out Saturday with 120 Velvia and Superia in the 135W. Accidentally found a car show where I went to dinner and shot the cars pano with the 50 f2.8. They fit perfectly in the pano ratio.
I was lucky - the camera came with the pano-ready glass and I found the back later.
You are right, the ETRSi is a gem. It is flexible and not too heavy.
Happy shooting!
Thank you for your comment and enjoying my video!! I totally agree with your opinion that the Bronica ETRsi is a gem for sure. There are not many medium format camera that can shoot 135 film especially the 645 format camera. Great that you have the same set up! I recently got 40mm lens and it gives a great angle of view!! Have a try!! I hope you have a good time with your camera!!!
I really enjoyed your video. It was great! I too love this model and the passion you bring to it also I really liked your photos. Take care and God Bless you. Roger
Wonderful review! I just bought an ETRSi today and am VERY excited to play with it!
Great!!! Have a great time with it!!! :)
Nice haircut!
That film hood on the lens is beautiful! And your photos are perfect! Looking for a Bronica myself hopefully soon I can get my hands on one.
Thank you!! Hope you can find a nice one!
Thanks for this amazing video, I just bought a 135W back for my ETRSi in Japan for more than the camera itself but I look forward to play around with it once it arrives!
Thank you for liking my video!!! Nowadays the 135w film back became sooooooo expensive, and hard to find.. Hope you have a good time with it!!!!
This is so cool, I was unaware you could shoot panorama on 35mm with this camera! Awesome video, thanks!
Also, love your shots - what are you’d preferred lenses on this system?
Thank you for liking my video! For the panoramic photo I enjoy to use 24mm. It is the widest lens you can get!
Oh! And if you want to view picture only, you can see from my website!
plusalphastudio.com/zenza-bronica-etrsi-135w/
Thank you!!
I just got a 135 W back from my ETRS and your film loading how to was very helpful! Those vertical panoramic shots were a cool idea and quite interesting to see them arranged as a Triptych! Enjoyed your video, keep up the good work!
Great that you've got 135w film back! Glad that my video helped you! This ratio is very unique that it is really fun to shoot and also exhibit! I hope you have a great time with the camera!! Thank you!
I just want to say this video inspired me to buy the wide back for my SQ and I have had a lot of fun with it! Thank you for making this also thank you for showing how to load the back since that is pretty hard to find information online lol
Thank you for enjoying my video! Glad that my video inspired you! Have a great time with your camera!! :)
when i was in the service i had an earlier model...that was back in '73 when i had it. good infra-red color shots with a red filter...but you have an interesting setup with the 35 mm film for panoramic shots. mine was pretty
primitive compared to yours, but a bronica is still a bronica...nice k-chunk of the shutter. it lets you know the
process of film exposure is done.
ever try black & white film processing yourself? can't beat it.
Thank you for sharing tour experience!! Great to know who used bronica! I hope I can try to process the film by my self later...! I’m really having a great time with this camera! :)
Be careful with the winding crank, you can't get them in the USA, only 3D printed parts. Also, the Waist Level finder is more expensive than any other component of the camera. Nice video, waiting for more.
Very good intro to this camera! Excellent and very nice presentation! A very big THANK to you, sir, for this fine review! Wishing you all the very Best! Best Regards from Sweden! (Now also subscriber and thumbs up like!) By the way, I happen to own this same camera with some lenses (40mm/4, 75/2.8 and 135/3.5) and also a polaroid back and normal 6x4.5 film back but I did not even know that there was this 135mm-back available! Your camera looks as new and seems to work fine! I hope you will make some more videos of your experiences when using this Zenza Bronica ETRSi camera! Your way to handle it is a joy to see!)
Thank you so much for enjoying my video!! Currently I’m planning some new stuffs to add on to my channel! I hope you enjoy a new videos too! Thank you for subscribing!! :)
Cool camera👍
Thank you!
I like your channel. I used to live in Korea for a year. It is a very photogenic place! And there were some pretty cool used camera stores in Seoul. I used to always go to one in particular.
Thank you a lot for liking my channel! Namdaemun and Chungmuro is a great place to visit to get cool used camera. Do you have any particular place you liked in Seoul?
@@plusalphastudio I always went to a shop in Namdaemun. I don't know what it was called but the guy at the counter could speak good English and they had good quality stuff. I bought a perfect Nikon 80-200 2.8 for cheap there and a whole bunch of other stuff. If I remember correctly, it was like the 2nd or third shop in that row with all those shops.
Ah ha. I think I know where that is. Nice that you’ve had a good experience from there. I was trying to make video about the shops in Namdaemun, but it was very hard since you know, there are so many people around there. May be I’ll try some time later. :)
what a beautiful camera !
Thank you!
OMG this is a really helpful video because i am looking for how to operate my SQ-a 135 film back. thanks
Glad that it was helpful to you! Have a great time with your camera!!
Awesome video cheers new sub for you mate. I still have my old ETRSi from way back just loaded a roll of 120 poetry loving getting back into film. Deffo going to buy one of those 35mm backs live the look great work mate regards Paul
Thank you for liking my video and sharing your thoughts! Cheers mate!
Plus Alpha Studio welcome mate I’ve been loving my last few vids using the bron like being a photographer again 😆😆📷
Great!!
Thanks - this was super useful. Kinda wish I'd seen this before getting a Mamiya 645...
Thank you foe enjoying my video! Mamiya 645is also great camera.. I prefer panoramic photo so I got this camera instead.. cheers!
Interesting very informative video..great images thanks
Thank you!
The best setup is the ETRSi with the AE II prism, speed thumb winder and the 40mm lens. This is the equivalent of a 24mm lens on a 35mm camera. With the 135W film back you have a dynamite panoramic camera!
Yeah I totally agree!! I got 24mm lens after taking the video and it became a great panorama camera!
bonne vidéo ;je viens d/acheter ce bronica etrsi avec son dos 645
I absolutely love my ETRS haven’t got the the wide back as they are super expensive but love the video beautiful images I am just about to order the 40 mm lens to go with my 75 and 150 mm lenses it’s a gem to use
Thank you for enjoying my video!I think nowdays, all the film gears are getting sooooo expensive... I saw the price of 135 film back and go shocked.. It wasn't that expensive before.. I hope you have a great time with your camera! cheers! :)
Use either the speed grip for thumb winding or the motor drive with 1.5 frames per second winding.
Thank you very much for this useful video ! I noticed on the 135 back the crank is much more tough compare to the 120 back. Do you have the same feeling ? Is it normal ? It will be a pleasure to see more videos about this Bronica.
Thank you for enjoying my video! I felt the same on 135 film back too, but not that big difference. I'm hoping to take some more video on film camera, after covid... I really want to travel with film camera, but it is a bit hard these day.. cheers!
@@plusalphastudio Thank you ! Have a nice day.
Thank you!!
The best combo I found for shooting panorama with the 135w back is the 40mm lens that is equal to a 24mm in 35mm.
I agree!
Thanks for the video! 🎉
🙏 yes
Thank you :)
Very nice video! Lucky you finding that 135 W back. Sadly, they are being sold as gold from Ebay Japan. Actually I´m looking for the GS-1 135 W, in order to get +1 cm wider panos, than the ones from the ETRsi or SQ-Ai. It´s like looking for a needle in a haystack! Currently I´m shooting panos with the GS-1 220 backs with a 135 to 120 adapter. Pro: I get all the fim exposed including the sprocket holes. Con: film is not wound on flat and it may be focus issues shooting wide open. You got a new subscriber. Looking forward to seeing your next videos. Greets from Germany
Sorry for late response.. Thank you for enjoying my video!! I know that the 135w film back is really really hard to get in reasonable price... gs-1 135w filma back is also hard to find one..I hope you could find it in reasonable price!! Thank you!!
I've read online that the Bronica GS-1 35mm film backs were advertised, but never actually manufactured.
Are you going to do more videos on this camera?
Hello! I'm hoping to do some more video, after covid! I really want to introduce some interesting film cameras, but it is a bit hard these days.. Thank you for getting interested! Cheers! :)
Great video, nice haircut and how comes your English is so good? (UK).
Thank you for enjoying my video! I lived in USA and Australia before! :)
Interesting option for panoramic, however there is one question which puzzles me.
The ETRSi is an SLR so you're looking through the lens at your image through the prism or WLF.
So, what allows you see the panoramic format for composition?
In other words, how does the 35mm back communicate the panoramic dimensions to the viewfinder?
Do you need to fit a mask over the focusing screen?
I'd appreciate if a user could answer this. Thanks.
After more research I can now answer my own question, in case anyone else is wondering...
Focusing screen Ei has etched lines which show both 35mm panoramic and normal 35mm frame lines (when using 135w or 135n backs) while also giving the full 6x4.5 view.
And also for anyone interested, the prices for any of this gear has gone through the roof in the two years since this video was posted. I paid around €800 (135w back) and €200 (focusing screen) for these two or $1,200 !!
On top of that I had to buy the body, finder and lens.
Still much better than buying the Hasselblad Xpan though (currently €3-3,500!!)
More versatile too (you can also shoot 6x4.5) and and unlike the Xpan it's modular so if one part breaks you can repair or replace that part only.
Thank you for good informations!
Nice video and nice haircut.
How may shots you get from a 35mm roll?
Do you use any aids for composing?
Thank you for watching.
You can take about 21~23 shots with 35mm roll.
For the video editing and composing, I do it by myself! This video by the way was taken by my friend, but nowadays I take videos by myself too.
Thank you!
@@plusalphastudio Hello any mark on the window counter of the film back, thanks again for the video
Hmm I’m not quit sure what your question, though there a frame counter on the film back!
Good video, but please stop touching the pressure plates on your camera backs! (They are the perforated black plate that the film rests on in the frame). These need to be kept as clean as possible to prevent scratching of the film, and the fewer times you have to clean it, the better, you really don't want to damage that plate.
Thank you for your advice!
I found a back but don’t you need a special focusing screen so you can compose correctly?
Great that you’ve got the back! If you don’t have the focus screen for 135mm, it’s ok, but it is a bit hard to tell where the picture get cropped though (the top and bottom of the frame). Best is to get focus screen, but it is also hard to find. Easy way to solve the problem is get your focusing screen out and put on top of 135 film (locate it on the center), then use line masking tap to mark the film size! This works just find. I don’t recommend to use pen, because it can damage the view finder. Or you can just use the original focusing screen with estimating the area!
I own xpan after watching your vid I buy Etrs and purchase 135w back, I simply want to enjoy waist level finder shooting experience together with xpan.
Great!! Waist level finder is definitely a new experience! I use bronica and fuji tx-1. Both really great camera!
well ... look up the prices for the 135W back before that^^
The back alone is 450$ right now, thats twice the price i paid for my whole bonica system :)
wow.. It is getting more expensive every time I check.
Good video, thanks. I have the ETRSi but I have a problem with the Mirror-Up system, could you please do a short video explaining this as I have lost several frames using mirror up.
Thank you for enjoying video. What is your symptom? Do you trying to use a mirror lockup or is there any sticky mirror problem? Check rather it has sticky mirror problem or battery! If the battery is not enough, sometime the shutter won’t works properly. It happened to my other camera.
Later on, I’ll try to make some video about the camera’s button and instructions!
I have a dumb question, are the dark slides identical in size an shape between the 120 and 135 film backs? I bought a used ETR and it didn't come with a dark slide. I was thinking about buying the 135 back and I was hoping I could just use the one dark slide between the two.
Actually it is good question! You can use 135 back's dark slide on 120 back. Both are compatible!
I'm surprised you could pull the dark slide out with the back off the camera. usually there is a safety interlock that prevents that so you don't accidentally pull it while film in loaded.
Yap you are correct! However I don’t know why, but some backs are possible to pull the slider out though..
good interesting video
Thank you for enjoying my video!
very jealous of all the people that say they’ve got the 135w back! I’ve just bought a ETRS,75mm, AEii finder and grip in great condition for £450, the cheapest 135w back I’ve see is £550 😳
Yeah.. 135W film back was so hard to get.. It got so much expensive... Cheers!
Interesting~~
Thank you!!
Is possible to use digital backs ?
Hmm... I've seen third party digital back somewhere.. cannot really remember the brand...
11:39 i took the crank off of my etrsi the day i bought it and just use the knob without the crank ever since.
I dont see the reason of this massive but flimsy crank to turn a small knob ^^
Also my notification-sound of my cellphone is the sound of my bronica firing the shutter and recocking hehe
Wow.. never thought of that..! Making a alarm sound to be bronica’s shutter and recocking sound id brillant!!!
@@plusalphastudio yeah ... well .. it sounds like a shotgun honestly ... and it freaks me out. The cool thing is the bass in the shutter sound, bit that gets lost in the cellphone speaker.
I can send you the sound if you want it, i made an m4r for iphones with it
@@plusalphastudio gofile.io/?c=lAkBp4 :)
@@inevitablecraftslab Hey bro can you send this link again please? I'd love to have this as my ringtone haha.
@@chrisjaime2429 sure :) but it sounds like shotgun through a cellphone speaker hehe
Self timer?
nice review, but you forgot the T-setting on the lens :)
Oh yeah.. Forgot to talk about that.. Thank you!
Can we see the pictures?
I found about hasselblad xpan and really looking for alternative :D
Tnx for review btw ^^
Thank you for watching my video! Pictures are shown in the video from 4:44 till 5:58. Later on the pictures will be uploaded on my instagram, but I think it will take some time since previous picture from the other review, is being uploaded now.. If you have any question, please let me know! Thank you!
135필름을 넣으시면 16컷 이상 찍힐텐데 그 이상 카운터는 자동으로 넘어가나요?
필름이 다 찍히면 넘어가지 않고 필름이 걸린 느낌이 듭니다! 135mm 필름은 120와 다르게 필름이 필름통에 붙어있어 넘어가지 않습니다!
handsome🤩
Thank you!
I just bought an ETRS and I’m looking at getting the W back. Quick question: how do you frame up the panorama shots? Are there any indicators through the viewfinder?
There are a viewfinder for w film back! However, it is a bit hard to get.. I recommend you put a line sticker on tour viewfinder!
@@plusalphastudio are there two different versions of this 135w film back? I've seen some on ebay recently with only one latch to open the back. Your 135W film back has two latches on the top.
Hmm I'm not sure that they have 2 version.. But what I know is that there are two different type of 135 film back. One is the 135w film back which can take panorama like my one. Another one is 135n film back which can take photo same as normal 135 film camera. Know that it is not a perfect answer to your question... If you find an answer please share! Thanks!
@@plusalphastudio yes, I think you have answered it right, the 135 N has the two opening catches, the W only one!, this is probably an easy way to tell them apart!, as they both take 35 mm cartridges, also one tip, the 135 N also has a feature, that it can accept the W's insert, as the cog is a variable radius, to fit both crank sizes, for each insert, as the frame spacing is different.
how many exposure for 135 films on the 135 film back?
It is about 23 shoots.
Is there a framing mask to go on the ground glass so that we know what and where we are shooting at?
Yap! There are ground glass for 135mm wide, that show the frame size on bronica. I personally use one!
thanks for sharing , enjoyed the video , booooored of digital , i sold my etrsi 15 years ago , sorry now but theres plenty about
Thank you for enjoying my video! I think film camera has their own mood that I just love!
@@plusalphastudio absolutely i use my digital d850 as close to film as i can , no editing set as close to fiji velvia 100 as possible full frame digi , gives a more realistic dynamic range than smaller sensors , i do use film , digital for my lazy days
I totally agree with how you take picture..! I use fujifilm digital camera with no retouch! And for my main film camera, I use fuji tx-1 panorama film camera. Hope covid goes away soon so I can take some more picture!
@@plusalphastudio with you there buddy , film was better in many ways , it taught you to learn correct aperture settings and shutter speeds , soooo many so called pro, s on you tube these days shooting in fully auto everything even iso and auto digital manipulation 😃 madness , totally killed the learning side of photography , the thinking these days is the more you spend on gear the better the photographer you are ,
Hello I am very interested in investing in a 135 film back for my Zenza SQ and as yet you don't have photos of your 135 wide test up. Would you be able to privately message me some pictures to have an idea of how it exposes??! Thank you!
You can see the pictures on the video from 4:43 and 5:36. Have a look! Thank you!
I have the same camera and several backs. I am looking for the 135W back. Cheers from Los Angeles @sdhaase
Thanks! I’m really enjoying this camera so far! Pictures from 135w film back is truly awesome!! Hope you can get it with reasonable price!
I followed you on Instagram I am @sdhaase
Thank you! Just checked your Instagram! Really great photos! Nice!!
i wonder if you could use a 135N back and a 120 back and hack a 135w out of it.
the W needs the advance from the 120 back, so you could probaby use gears of the 120 back.
do the sprocket holes get exposed too ?
Hmm what do you mean as sprocket holes??
@@plusalphastudio is the whole width of the film strip exposed. or does the film back cover the sprocket holes
Ah ha..! The full film strip gets exposed.The panorama functions on other 35mm film camera (like panorama fuction on Olympus mju) covers top and bottom of the film to shoot panorama, but on this it use full strip of film. Therefore the exposed area is much bigger making a clearer image.
Your vertical photos are very much cropped. the horizontal are the correct aspect ratio.
Vertical ones are also in correct aspect ratio! :)
I hate how a 4k video looks better at 4k than 1080p on a 1080p monitor
with the price of the 135W back, i'm surprised anyone can afford to buy it.
Yah.. I totally agree.. It got much more expensive than when I bought one..
Film with a dropped m at the end, stop adding an extra u into the word film. 🤦🤣 'PHILm'
stop teaching other people with your domestic culture lessons. look at yourself. how many korean words you can pronounce correctly ?