Sony FX6 Pros & (mostly) Cons | First Impressions Review
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- After using the FX6 for a month, I wrote down the pros and cons for this camera. While I'm 95% happy with this camera, there are always some quirks!
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0:00 Sony FX6 Pros & Cons, My First Impressions
0:23 Form Factor
0:43 Ergonomics
1:18 XLR's, more on this Later
1:43 Amount of Info in the Menus
1:59 The ND is Amazing
2:26 The Give in the Side Handle
3:16 XLR in the Box
3:50 Internal XAVC-L vs XAVC-I (Ignoring RAW for now)
4:31 DCI is larger but cropped, UHD is smaller but downscaled
5:08 No Audio at 4K120 UHD
5:41 Lack of 3.5mm audio
6:51 Battery Prices
7:24 Menu Errors (I'm being picky here)
8:22 Fighting with the Menus
9:18 V-mount Battery Plate vs SD/CFE Slot (Being very picky here)
11:03 3.5mm headphone Jack Placement
12:15 Custom Buttons Make Your Life Easier
13:24 My Thoughts on the Sony FX6 & Future Videos
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The Pros far outweigh the cons on the FX6, but anything I could think of I wrote down! What do you guys think of the FX6?
[C2] button = Base ISO
[C3] button = Full Menu (no need to long press the menu button)
[C7] button = Direct select
Those are my most used.
Great video!
Thanks for that
Great video !! Very informative and exactly what I wanted to watch . I’m picking up my fx6 today and needed to go over a few things to see if the negatives outweighed the positives, and so far I’m still leaning towards going for it bc this camera is a beast. I currently own the a7iv but I want to focus on film again
Very good information keep going
Awesome video 🎉
Thank you 🙌
does a system exist that allows someone to convert the the raw output into a more usable file like MP4?
i work for company making higher quality product vids (organic content) and I'm surprisingly using an A7RV, and my colleague has an fx6, he struggles with dealing with the file format coming off of the camera.
i got tricked into upgrading the A7RV because i was lead to believe i could get higher quality and simultaneously have the
4 axis screen. but i don't do slow mo or low light, so far it's been fine
nice cameras informative + / - keen to use on documentary work. great tool.
For sure, it's a fantastic camera. Have loved using it so far
Awesome vid! As an FX6 owner, my only gripe with the camera is said shake on the side handle. Mind posting a link to your PL -> E-Mount adapter?
Added my PL to E mount adapter to the description! The shake in the handle is annoying, but it says a lot about the camera if thats the only big gripe. Haha I've been loving my FX6 so far - Thanks Jonas!
You briefly mentioned running 3.5mm to XLR as having "it's own set of problems" and I'm looking to do exactly that. What are the problems exactly? I've watched your video posted on Jun 19th about this, and I don't seem to recall many problems being mentioned?
Thanks so much for your help and work on this!
Hey mate, with the 3,5mm problem, you can use the k3m module on the hotshoe. Get 2 more XLR's or a 3,5mm jack.
Ooh man I don't have a K3M, just the mic! I might have to look into that - good call!
@@keith-knittel I don't really see what set of problems the XLR adapters pose. They work perfectly fine. No need to buy a K3M I'd say.
Amazing video! Can I ask what mic you used for the talking head portion? Thanks
Thanks, and this was with my sennheiser MKH-416 and tascam X8
@@keith-knittel thanks dude ... subbed! looking forward to more!
bro your video is super fuckinnn clean! can you do a bts of your setup?
Would love to see some footage shot with the FX6 and DZO lens you have there, as I was thinking of buying those for my set up as well.
It's on my very long to-do list to make that video! I was originally thinking about making a video comparing the DZO 50mm to the Sony 50mm 1.2 - is there anything in particular you'd like to see? Comparisons-wise? Or general test footage?
6:46 ive had no issues with the 3.5mm to xlr inputs. Its only a cpuple bucks.
Thats been my solution so far too, made a video about it here: ua-cam.com/video/fIgObJOzpN0/v-deo.html
I was surprised by your comment/complaint about battery prices. As a full time working professional in corporate video, I purchased the FX-6 (after owning an FX-3) already knowing that stepping up in class to a “Cinema Camera” was going to require a larger investment. Sony is not going to cannibalize their own product line to accommodate the consumers pocket. These manufacturers expect that anyone purchasing a $6000 camera is going to generate at least 20 times that amount in revenue as a professional. As the end user, I should understand that every accessory (camera cages, Sony batteries, v-mount batteries, CF-Express type A cards to access the 120 FPS) every accessory will cost more commensurate that a higher class of camera would require. To pay $6000 for a camera body and then complain that it doesn’t use the $78 NP-FZ100 like the mirrorless cameras do? I am surprised. Unless someone buys it just to have it and doesn’t monetize the camera, I can’t imagine why this would be a con that they didn’t anticipate already. This is a bigger camera, so naturally it is going to require a bigger more powerful battery that can last through a full day shoot. Once You step into the big leagues you have to expect the fastballs to come in at 98 mph and the sliders to break a lot sharper than they do in the minor leagues.
Hey NY Corporate Video Productions, I understand that a larger camera is going to have a larger investment but I wanted to make sure to document my initial thoughts about the camera. A $320 72w proprietary battery is quite the price tag when you consider v-lock batteries that are more universally compatible with other cameras and lights.. and they're more affordable. Most higher-end "big league" cinema cameras use v-mount batteries. The FX6 is great with battery life in the scheme of cinema cameras, however, that was something that I thought was a little on the expensive side. Have already paid off this camera and then some with freelance projects, but $960 for 3 or $1280 for 4 proprietary batteries (not including tax) is pretty expensive when v-lock batteries are higher capacity, more universally accepted, and cheaper. Still absolutely love this camera and am going to buy a few BP batteries, just not excited about it when I could be putting that money to use elsewhere.
@@keith-knittel I wound up getting GDU 98wh v-mounts along with the Tilta V Mount battery adapter. Two V-mounts are more than enough for me to carry a full day of shooting.
It’s not cheap to play in the deep end of the pool, I agree it’s more costly. For the average consumer, I would feel some degree of sympathy but then again why would the average consumer purchase a $6000 camera body if they were unable to monetize their investment? As for me, I pass the cost of my investments onto my clients. I only paid for my first camera and accessories, if any more comes out of my pocket personally, then I’m doing something wrong. My clients pay for my gear, that the way it’s supposed to be when you purchase Camera bodies that cost Thousands of dollars.
Damn no 3.5mm jack. The youtube hyper never talked about that.
Yeah, I wish there was a 3.5mm jack on the body of the camera! Maybe the next version will have it
I shoot with the FX9 and use a Sony bp 70 batt that goes for hours. A much bigger camera than the 6. Just seems like that huge battery set-up negates the benefits of the small form factor of the camera. I notice a small bit of play in my handle of the 9 as well 😠
The tough pill for me to swallow is already owning V-mount batteries, the BP batteries are less capacity, more expensive, and can only be used on sony cinema cameras, but are more expensive. That being said I'm still going to buy them, just not happy about it haha. Still love the camera overall though! Just being picky in my first impressions video
@@keith-knittel I totally understand. All good points. I hope to get a 6 soon, as well.
I totally agree with this . The reason for an fx6 is for easier/lighter mobility- i see everyone putting the v mount battery on their fx6 right away and im there confused as the purpose to this
@@NYsba328 I get 135 minutes out of a Sony bp 35 Batt with my 6. That's plenty, as the other battery is fully recharged at that point.
My biggest gripe is it using CF Express Type A cards instead of Type B😂
You're telling me, man! The fact that they are faster AND cheaper stings a little bit. I mostly stick to v90 cards, or even v60 if I'm filming XAVC-L at 24 or 30p
I'll second that, media is so expensive, especially as my B cams use type B.
I remember being on set shooting narrative with an FS7 and the camera randomly threw out the error "MEDIA NOT EXIST"
Me and the DP who had just taken a Sony workshop for the camera were both laughing at how jank Sony prompts can be
Haha thats a good one. Even with the tiny things like that, I still love this camera!
The absence of a 3.5 mm jack is insane. The FX3 has two - one on the body and one in the handle
I wish there was a port on the body, or even the handle! Would be more convenient for quicker/low budget shoots
A 3.5mm is not a balanced port. Just get a vlxr+
thats why i haven't bought this camera, they have a lot of additional expenses with its use like over priced batteries
Nice sony fx 6
Thank you, Delcon!
@@keith-knittel You're welcome, I'm from Indonesia and really like the film industry
my experience with this cam lasted 10 seconds. Went outdoors sunny day, and saw nothing on this glanced lcd screen …
I’ve been debating the fx3 or fx6 over the last couple months and I really wanted to go with the fx6 but I think the fx3 is the better option. It’s smaller has the same exact quality to my knowledge and I already have all of the batteries that I’ve been using from my A7iv
I have the A7S III and FX30 as well, it really depends on what youre shooting the most. I've been shooting a lot of video, and missed having video-specific cameras when shooting so the FX6 is a dream to work with, even given all of the picky "downsides" I have here. If you're shooting photo and video or want a smaller kit (or active stabilization!) the FX3 is a great camera though. Either give great results.
@@keith-knittel I’m a music video director. So I’m really trying to double down and get a video focus camera. And if I’m going to spend thousands I want to get the best possible option. I’ve watched many many videos from the fx3 and fx6 and I cannot personally see a difference. Is there any difference you’ve noticed?
@@DeshayTheLegend For me it's operation, the FX6 is setup as a video camera with buttons and features (the auto ND is magic) of a dedicated video camera. That being said, I still use my A7S III all the time- which is more of a photo body that shoots fantastic video. I wrote down a video topic idea comparing the FX6 to the FX30/A7SIII (I don't have an FX3 at the moment). Is there anything you'd like to see compared specifically? I'm still in the scripting stage for that video
@@keith-knittel I’d like to see side by side shots to compare the image quality from all 3 cameras in different lighting conditions if possible. And I think a lot of people would be interested in hearing you speak about form factor versatility. I’ve heard some people say that when they bought a cinema camera it made them compose there shots better and they began to charge more because cinema cameras look more professional. But smaller cams have perks too when it comes to ease of shooting and traveling so your point of view would be nice.
@@DeshayTheLegend There is zero difference between the FX6 and FX3 when it comes to picture quality. They have the exact same sensor and processing.
The difference is in pro functionality of the FX6 which is easier to use for pro cinematographers.
If the way you shoot is basic or if you really need something small that you can bring anywhere, FX3 will be great.
I have the FX6 and the FX30 - best of both worlds.
The play in the side handle is not a big deal and you'll probably forget about it.
In the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal and doesnt effect the final image. Just thought it was strange when I first picked it up and was being picky.
A little bit of play in the handle ..😅
😜😃
6:12 it is by design. Sony is pushing the eco system wall. So you have to buy them from them.
4K 120fps with no sound is weird. The fx3 can do it and it’s the cheaper smaller camera 😂
Yeah, that bugs me. Not a deal breaker, but somewhat come on!
Why the hell would my school send me this camera if it’s mostly cons? (Asking before I watch the video)
Once you operate this camera in the field and learn it inside out, the pros vastly outweigh the cons.
It becomes an extension of yourself.
The reason there is play in the handle is so it doesn’t snap.
You only need the one good codec not sure why you want a variety of rubbish ones.
The difference in DCI and UHD is due to sensor size.
Batteries are too expensive…?
It’s not really the cameras fault if you buy slow cards 😂
These complaints are very petty in my opinion and mostly ignorance on your behalf.
People are never happy these days…
Hey guy, I've been using the camera more and more, better understanding the quirks. I knew there would be some, coming from mirrorless cameras, so I made sure to write even the smallest gripe down. I know this probably comes off as petty (not my intention), but it was tough to come up with cons for this camera! One thing about the codecs, I feel like XAVC-L is a little light, and XAVC-I is a little heavy for some things. For example, filming a talking head that I might color correct/grade later, for longer shoots, the XAVC-I is going to fill cards much faster, times that by a full day of company talking heads and it takes longer to transfer footage and manage cards, when XAVC-L feels a little light in comparison? My solution now is just buy more cards and hard drives. Not suggesting worse codecs, but would be nice to have another option in between. Thanks for your feedback.
@@keith-knittel for talking heads you don't really need an Intra codec. L will actually give you better quality than I because of a more efficient compression. Anything that doesn't have a whole lot of movement in the shot will benefit from the long GOP compression. Even if there's some movement (like handheld) it's fine since the compression algorithm uses motion vectors to discard redundant data.
The only real life advantage of Intra in this situation is the fact that it's a 10bit file. But that only matters in high dynamic range scenes where you push the colors hard. For example when you have the sky in shot and don't want it to band when pushed. Slog3C will have plenty of color information in the L codec for a simple scene like talking heads with controlled lighting.
Intra actually has a worse looking more compressed picture in almost all situations.
There are only two differences in real life that Intra is good for though:
- Pushing the colors hard when grading
- A more natural looking grain in motion since it encodes each frame separately. If you inspect them one frame at a time, L actually compresses grain better, but has a tiny bit of smearing because of the Long GOP. Intra makes the grain look more muddy if you look at it one frame at a time, but when you look at it at 24fps, it looks more organic.
@@lukastemberger Thank you for the well-written feedback. For most everything I shoot, the XAVC-L will be fine. I never thought about I looking "worse" since it is recording every frame vs the compressed L. I'll have to do some tests between the two, that being said I've only recorded intra when I was filming cars or was trying to push the colors in post. Very interesting about the grain, that makes sense. I'm still relatively new with the FX6, but learning more everyday it seems. If you have any additional points about the FX6, I'm all ears. Thanks again for the great feedback.
And who complains about the camera not coming with a mic?
That would add several hundred dollars to the price, for no reason, because most people already have their own mics.
And no 3.5mm? Just get a damn adapter.
It’s about time to drop SONY buy other products good as Sony or better we are getting sucked out of Sony just keep posting this on each Sony review and at least 1-10 will switch to something else Sony has been way overpriced with everything specially Cameras and Lenses Thank You please post it all over