I would like to know why Ryan Feldman entered a business relationship with Nick V??? What does Nick V bring to the table (that Ryan couldn’t do without him)????
I’ve been saying that for several months. Nick is just dead weight. His hiring of Brian,with a criminal record,was the end of the road for me. Having an insider explains why Nick was able to win at HCL and loose at LATB.
Nick is a multi millionaire who collaborated with Ryan because he was banned and fucked by LATB. Nick use his FU money to create HCL with Ryan's talent to create these high stakes games to get their revenge against JJ of LATB!
The way Garrett was portrayed by Nick V and the likes of Nik, Lynne,etc was that he was some kind of monster. But he is only guilty of one thing….he is really really fucking good at poker.
And he handled that J4 situation like a 13 year old girl. Think about it - that pot was what, 140k? This guy has won and lost WAY more than that in the past. He didn't handle the situation too well. I don't care for either party, too be honest. These are the types of people you get in the poker world.
@@divided_and_conquered1854 I think it’s safe to say Adelstein has often portrayed himself as a decent guy. Backing up Feldman when that donkey player said he wasn’t all in against Feldman. Non reaction to one of the worst slow rolls in history. He has said he didn’t handle it the best. But the hand was an absolute joke.
Nick & Ryan constantly use the defense of ‘It’s only business’. The problem is, when you shit on loyalty, in the long run, you get fucked. Loyalty has way more staying power in business in the long run than just always doing wha t makes you more money in the short run. People watched HCL because guys like Garrett, Gal, Dylan, played really interesting poker, and guys like Ben and Nik were nobodies. It is amazing how shitty the poker is compared to how complex the games were at that time. Now every Friday, we are stuck with Pepe, Wes, Nik, and Dentist Dave. It is sad
i really agree with your statement im definitely not as interested as when it first started and honestly i think im gonna stop watching i cant stomache listening to airball or brown balla laughing and nik vertucci seems like so full of himself
I think everyone listening thought the same thing. Keaton can just get his own stream going and probably crush it so fast if they got a good producer like Ryan to run that show
@@Wooooosaaaaaa speak for yourself. I think most of us was thinking Keating should stay far away as possible from Garrett and his white privileged Ken attitude. Garrett is so fake it’s ridiculous.
@@Wooooosaaaaaadidn’t you hear that Keating wanting to start his own stream is to APPEASE Feldman and compete against him so there’s no way Ryan would partner with him for it
Sometimes it gets hard to listen to him. When every second word is “like”. He’s a smart guy, but he really should work on using the word “like” a LOT less.
I just want to say I'm super thankful for your comment and I really hope I'll be able to enjoy more of them in the future, because I really appreciate our interactions here. Also ... like
For that to happen, he will be forced to play with pros he doesn't want to play with. He got so exposed and now blocked to a rich man soft game that is now more popular without him 😂
I didn’t realize Nick and Garrett had such a falling out over this. Nick should offer Garrett some free real estate courses to try to mend fences. Nick seems more problematic with each passing week. 1312
Zero respect for Garrett until he returns the money to Robbi. Nobody has evidence that she was cheating and in a casino, on camera, it would be virtually impossible. I know he gave the money to charity but it wasn't his to give. He owes Robbi money. She did though, under pressure and ignorantly, gave him the money. All that being said, Garrett should not be banned from poker because he didn't violate any casino rule.
So he can’t give the money to charity because it’s not his to give but she can give the money to him but he has to return it because it’s not hers to give? Or it’s not his to give? Or not his to accept? What?
Do you really think the hustler waiting to do the investigation and even if they found something out do you think they would ruin their own show? Something def fishy about all that, and what about the hustler worker taking money off robbis stack?
@@johnnywang206 Legally, nothing can be forced as it is with the money. Ethically, he, the lead person on the show, threw a fit on a new person to the stream and she, admittedly, gave him the money under pressure and because of this, he should give it back to her. IMO Johnny.
@@milesdudley8243 The show is a minute part of that casino's income and no casino I know would jeopardize their establishment to cover up anything. In our state the gaming commission would have heard about this and looked into it already. They are extremely strict with anything that could be cheating. In a court of law, this would be thrown out immediately due to a complete lack of evidence. People that know poker can't believe anyone would make that idiotic call and so they cry, cheating for a lack of better explanation as to why she would do it. She said that Garrett had bluffed her and run over her a number of times and she made a stand. I've watched people do the same thing, usually to their detriment. She got very lucky being stupid.
@@l_pete_l6501 idk if it makes sense at all, making a stand w jack high? Have you seen her in other games lately??? She made a call for hundreds of thousands w jack high but I saw here all in with ak pre in another stream and she looked as if she was about to have a stroke, so why so confident w jack high for so much more money? It’s not right. You have to look into the whole deal with the worker for hustler as well, many fishy things involving him
I kind of think Ryan should give some respect out to Garret and Keating - as business associates. Particularly for Keating.... he contributed mega action & losses - in big high-stake games, he deserved that. moving on and dusting hands seems pretty lame - without some bad blood. Give the guys a personal explanation so that this twitter space didn't have to happen. Lex your a down to earth professional, would like to hear your thoughts on these poker topics.
Garrett is hurt. Keating is under appreciated. Feldman is untrustworthy. Nittucci is crazy( not allowed on 😂). Doug is misunderstood. Charlie is understanding.
Under appreciated lol. “We appreciate you infusing the game w big whale loose money”. Garrett is a pro’s pro, he’s there to win money. This is his biz, provides for his family. He’s not there to appease the rec players, increase VPIP, socialize,…
Vertucci owes Keating an apology. They need to make him the Star ⭐️ of every show. The man gives action like a maniac and helped build their brand tenfold
@@khrizpabloking1244 Keating purposely did that for exposure. I don’t know why Nick and Ryan treat him like he’s a clown 🤡 It’s a shame. He loses on purpose to create great content for the show.
@@MysteriousMM no he does it to try and create an image for himself. Keating isnt doing this for the producers of the show. People go on these shows to try create fame for themselves. exactly what keating did.
How about the manchild first repays the money he stole? And that he watches the J4o call down videos that existed (and still do...along with newer ones) on YT at the time he chose to utter "That's not even a poker hand!" And that he writes out 500 times (in cursive no less) 'J4o IS in fact a poker hand! And I lost to it like others before me have. And when I compare my actions to the manner in which other J4o losers have acted, I failed spectacularly.' Maybe then Hustler might consider sitting down with him. Ffs...people win hands everyday doing stupid shit. Acting like that can't (or doesn't) happen in big games is idiotic. It does. You aren't owed any explanation anyway. You feel it's sketchy, there are better ways to handle it. Dude particularly deserves no quarter given his inability to admit faults/mistakes in this matter. 28:25 "... don't waaaannntt to do that." Omfg...what!? That intimation...grimey af!!
Keating and Garrett made the games shine. Period. Feldman and Vertucci got paid. It's so weird that all these savvy businessmen couldn't have a conference call and hash this out privately. This is surreal man.
These are not private conversations. They were never intended to be private. They literally invited spectators who have their own poker channels and brand. 100% chance the knew this would be posted. Same with Doug's convo (he posted 1 himself and Charlie posted the other)
@@tylerkay825 I'm well aware of the platform. My point is you would think maybe these guys would choose to hash this stuff out in a PRIVATE setting. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking with it
At this point who cares? She's moved on playing poker, Garret should be able to also. The underlying thing that isn't being talked about is Garret is a massive winner on HCL. The problem boils down to him being extremely fun and entertaining to watch, he brings viewership but the players dont want to play with him. Why would you want to play in a game when you now you're likely down? Its got nothing to do with how he handled the situation. The players know he's a real G. EDIT: Ok it is being talked about. Also Garret helped build HCL, like it or not. They have kind of used him..
Thing w Garrett, built a huge following on just his gameplay, shows up and crushes. Doesn’t have a “persona” like Hellmuth, DNegs,…, and he’s never made a name for himself ie big tourney winnings to get a seat at big stakes game. See your argument where many rec players don’t wanna play a game where they feel outmatched. But argument that rec players are the lifeblood of livestreams is overhyped. There are many streams out there now (Lodge, TCH,…) w plenty of rec players and no one cares. I would argue > rec players want to play w Garrett vs don’t, even knowing they’re outmatched. Same as wanting to sit at table w Ivey, DNegs, Hellmuth,… Everyone who plays poker want take their shot, vs the best (Rounders vs Russian).
The number of "likes" is ridiculous. Garrett needs to try and make a conscious effort not to throw that word in conversation. High level recap: Garrett pimped himself by stepping away after the J4 hand. That opened the door for Nick to ban him from the game because he was too good and players didn't want to play with him. HCL is thriving and popular as ever. The end.
Wow! You read my mind. Garrett is annoying with all his “likes”. He’s also a cut throat narcissist that would beat your grandma out of her last social security check. His nice guy image is LA phony. It’s too funny that his own ego ended up being his demise and is costing him millions in lost opportunities.
@@eddiehengzbach He's just emotionally an awkward dude, wants to be liked by all probably. He is immature in that aspect, You can be immature and smart at the same time.. But yeah, he needs to talk like a man, but he does face issues , Ill give him that
@@jacksondickery509 They are as popular as ever. The viewership numbers don't lie. Just because you don't watch anymore doesn't make it not true. The world doesn't revolve around you Dickery.
Seems like a lot jealousy and butt-hurtness over not being "recognized" or " thanked" or "loyalty" for what was clearly business relationships that all parties consented to engage in. None of these dudes got into it with pure altruism in mind. Alan and Garrett sound real butt hurt for not benefitting as much as they wanted from HCL. But unless there some agreement made with Ryan that wasnt honored then they need to pull their panties up and quit the bitching.
ALL GARRETT NEED IS RETURN MONEY TO ROBBI. THEN IT SHOULD BE CLEAR HIS NAME. GARRETT AND ALAN SHOULD BE IN MILLIONS DOLLAR GAME ! GARRETT SHOULD KNOW THAT NOBODY WANT TO PLAY WITH HIM IN ANY CASINO. IT GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HUSTLER TO LET GARRETT PLAY AGAIN, IF HE STILL NOT GIVE MONEY BACK.
I rather watch Garrett then a bunch of fish punting their money away. I like the fish too, but not just fish, that is not interesting. Garrett takes plenty of action plays and is interesting to watch. I am not watching that silly stream anymore.
If I'm Doug Polk I'm figuring out how to get Garret, Andy, and Keating into a million dollar livestream game at the Lodge. There's got to be some rich Texans that think they can beat Garrett. Watching airball and those other clowns got old real fast. Garrett and Andy are on a whole different level and it was fun to see them work. The nonsense on HCL now is probably entertaining to some but not the hardcore poker fans that want to watch high level cash play.
@@troywilson5686 it is and there are many interesting tourneys but deep stack cash is a bit different and when played correctly becomes very interesting to anyone who actually plays poker.
How tf she cheated? They ran the board twice and at that point no one knew what’s the next card that come out and yet she won both run out . Just give her money back and end of story, move on
@@curtisking6271 no they can’t. But what they can see is hole cards. And she was relayed info that she was “ahead” because the person giving out info is a moron and so is robbi. She called when she probably shouldn’t have but neither her nor her accomplices are smart enough to figure out how sus it would look on camera.
Lex, please don’t subscribe to the BS notion that Garrett (or anyone) speaks ‘his’ truth. There isn’t ‘my’ truth or your truth. There’s truth, and there’s opinion.
I have always enjoyed the speakers that talked, but after listening to this, I must admit, some respect has been lost. Lots of wining an egos. Life goes on. Pura Vida from Costa Rica!
Not often do you see two people air their grievances without yelling each other, empathize with each others feelings, and move forward. A lot of respect to Ryan and Garrett! Two emotionally mature men which this community is severely lacking
To say this show wouldn’t have beeen successful without garret is bullshit. People just liked his big stack buyin just like Andy got the same love while everyone else bought in 20k-30k. Garrett took over a million off recreational players, he doesn’t add anything and it’s been proven since he has been gone! Before he was the most high profile player that’s it! The action since Garrett left show proves he is given to much credit. He also profiled J4 lady he didn’t give her the respect he would give a known whale. This is Garrett so mad he isn’t in this current games
This is what you get with too much macho …..both egos stay silent I stead of reaching out ,,,,all this over a stupid j4 hand ….ALAN KEATING is my fav player after GARRET, He is the G MAN …
I feel as if Keating is trolling Garret, because Garret is complaining a lot and acting over entiteled. I can not believe peopke are taking Keating seriously, Keating is trolling 100% and its brilliant.
It doesnt matter if hes trolling or being serious. Hes rude as fuck and being blatantly disrespectful and immature. Hes acting like a monkey. So he probably is trolling, which is worse than if he was serious.
Now I see why keating isn’t on hustler like that anymore , I personally think Ryan could have answered those questions better, and I think Garrett should go back to the bike or go to the lodge, let hustler sweat and lose some views alittle, I love hustler and I’ll watch any stream on any day but there’s definitely some unfairness and shade going on there
Garrett says Ben manipulated Nick into saying Garrett was banned. That's total bullshit. Nick, I'm sure, stands behind his words. I believe that Ryan would probably prefer to be more private. Garrett wants his narrative at the forefront, which is understandable, but in my opinion, Garrett was in the wrong after the J-4 hand. I believe he still needs to pay Robbi back.
I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that, Garrett was the main reason a lot of people tuned in because he is an absolute boss! all the other players excluding Andy Stacks, Keating, Bill Klein and maybe Wesley really enjoyed to play with Garrett. The rest of them were happy to push the agenda to not have him play there anymore simply because he is just too good for any stakes with these players
@@trdi Because they did you clown, Garrett has a perfect record in the poker community for 10+ years. Then little cucks and people who have no clue about poker take the side of scumbags. Story checks out, go simp harder for the scammers.
@@trdi It could be that indeed but then we're back to the old statement of ''Why on earth would Robbie give him back the money if she won it fair and square'' I know for an absolute FACT that if I had played that hand and I didn't cheat, I'd never give anyone their money back
If Garret & Keating create a new stream and invite the killers, and get away from rec whale poker which is what HCL has become, it would destroy HCL. If anyone pays attention, the High Stakes PokerGo videos where Robl, Hanks, Keating, JRB, are playing, they draw huge views. But HCL is known to not want good players, they run a show based on people wanting to gamble.
Hustler spend 1.5 Million defending themselves. He stopes the game and crys like a baby. The games are 100% better with out him pushing people around. He acted like a baby and she should have sued him from the money he stoled from him. I will never watch him play again, looser.
Why is nobody questioning these people who say "like" every fifth word and without context? I actually think the whole thing is coming from the fact that they have these stupid like buttons on everything online which you are encouraged to use. As for the whole jack four hand would it be ok if a man did it? Haha probably not.
Garret tryna politic his way back into those lineups 😂. That boy only play in casinos so his action is toast lol. He lives to far from pokergo studios and he just had a baby. HCL is right next to him. They need to give Garret A G-Pass on this situation and let him back on stream. Dude thought he was cheated. So he said some wild shit. But there would be No Hustler Without Garrets play & grind. they owe him some action and just a lil more appreciation. Besides Garret NOONE is bigger than the show, not even keeting cause all lineups were built before him. Hustler is the best stream out there really enjoy the show. Thanks for the entertainment!
Can u imagine the views if garrett came bk??? He's the GOAT, he was obviously cheated. The big players they have now would be up for playing him. This has gone on too long now just get him bk lol.
One thing that drives me fkn crazy about the way these guys are talking, they sound like a bunch of valley girls. You know like, I just said like what like was he thinking like because I was like oh wow like. Seriously is this how people in California really talk? I have the upmost respect for Garret, he is one of my favourite and best cash game players in the country. But just say it guys, drop the “Like you know”. Edit: It may be a thing he does when he gets excited and does not notice he is doing it. I mean the man is definitely a very smart man, that does not mean so things don’t get to him. So I do not mean anything disrespectful, I think the guy is a great guy.
Ya know, like I'll just wait for the CliffsNotes version of this conversation. There is ZERO chance I can sit through 50 minutes of "Ya know... Like....".
I wonder what the viewership numbers went to after the J4 hand on HCL That news went mainstream internationally for sure! Best stream production regardless and was going to grow extensively no doubt. Just wondering
Very interesting but it have a huge issue when people are telling Garrett that he should basically play softer or handicap himself so that other people win too. This is poker, it’s. It 3rd grade where everyone gets a participation trophy. It just sounds crazy to me. Why do people play poker?? To make money! I see this in a lot of the bigger players who host games, they play soft and “give action” and money away. It’s ridiculous
When Garrett plays on live streams he is good for the game. Who would have thought this mess would have more drama than a couple of high school cheerleaders.
When Garrett plays, the poker is way more interesting. Not often do you see a guy doing a 6 figure flip calling with pocket 5s against AK. You just never see those kind of guts seeing amazing calls. It’s just punts and coolers. And people screaming like it too, alot of skill to cooler another player. I used to watch every single stream. I can’t stomach watching 30 min of it now, i just wait until the end of the stream now and scroll to the end results.
Lost respect for learning and Garrett! Both groveling. Adelatein obviously wants back in at Hustler and Keating needs to understand is value is playing like a donkey
This is the owners of the streams fault, run a tighter ship so staff cant help players cheat. YOu didnt think that was going to happen????? SHitty steam security is the problem.
This conversation verbatim: “ Like like like like you know like like you know you know like like you know.” I thought these people were supposed to be “intelligent”. This sounded similar to a really bad episode of The Hills. Fucking painful to listen to.
If I’m Garrett I’d say hey Ryan I got cheated on your show in a hand. If you agree with that why should I be reaching out to you to see how you’re doing? Admit you believe I was cheated and then we can talk about me empathizing with how these scumbags you invited on the show brought a bad look to your stream. I’m the one who got cheated
My gosh. It’s like small children still talking about this months later. This is a embarrassing to listen to. Sounds like y’all need some hugs and maybe some therapy
Garret needs to stop throwing his toys out of the pram he just got owned and can’t handle it, he needs to move and and deal with it like a grown up. Lost all respect for the guy. Especially when he took the money back off Robbi.
Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like Vertucci and Ryan used Garrett to build their stream when no one knew who they were and when they didn’t need him anymore and he was more problems than he was worth they cut him loose Why don’t you guys just fucking admit it and move on
@lex - you have such an amazing head on your shoulders. never let yourself become like these egoistical maniacs. the drama in the poker world is bigger than NJ housewives. you do you and focus on playing great poker to make a living.
Keating is freaking hilarious, so much of his sarcasm went over people's head!
yea lol i agree. its hilarious how keating said garret needs to handicap himself and shouldnt be playing his best. super funny
I would like to know why Ryan Feldman entered a business relationship with Nick V??? What does Nick V bring to the table (that Ryan couldn’t do without him)????
I’ve been saying that for several months. Nick is just dead weight. His hiring of Brian,with a criminal record,was the end of the road for me. Having an insider explains why Nick was able to win at HCL and loose at LATB.
Probably capital. Nick should have been a silent partner.
Nick is a multi millionaire who collaborated with Ryan because he was banned and fucked by LATB. Nick use his FU money to create HCL with Ryan's talent to create these high stakes games to get their revenge against JJ of LATB!
The way Garrett was portrayed by Nick V and the likes of Nik, Lynne,etc was that he was some kind of monster. But he is only guilty of one thing….he is really really fucking good at poker.
He's also guilty of being a douche apparently.
Don’t forget Blank check bum. He was a complete prick towards Garrett on sunglasses podcast.
And he handled that J4 situation like a 13 year old girl. Think about it - that pot was what, 140k? This guy has won and lost WAY more than that in the past. He didn't handle the situation too well. I don't care for either party, too be honest. These are the types of people you get in the poker world.
Oh, and let me add that Ryan Feldman is a disloyal grubby shyster.
@@divided_and_conquered1854 I think it’s safe to say Adelstein has often portrayed himself as a decent guy. Backing up Feldman when that donkey player said he wasn’t all in against Feldman. Non reaction to one of the worst slow rolls in history. He has said he didn’t handle it the best. But the hand was an absolute joke.
If I had $1 for every time the word like was said. I could have a have stream buy in
Nick & Ryan constantly use the defense of ‘It’s only business’. The problem is, when you shit on loyalty, in the long run, you get fucked. Loyalty has way more staying power in business in the long run than just always doing wha t makes you more money in the short run. People watched HCL because guys like Garrett, Gal, Dylan, played really interesting poker, and guys like Ben and Nik were nobodies. It is amazing how shitty the poker is compared to how complex the games were at that time. Now every Friday, we are stuck with Pepe, Wes, Nik, and Dentist Dave. It is sad
i really agree with your statement im definitely not as interested as when it first started and honestly i think im gonna stop watching i cant stomache listening to airball or brown balla laughing and nik vertucci seems like so full of himself
I think Garret and Keating should start their own live stream. And make sure to tell Keating this was my idea. Lol😂
I think everyone listening thought the same thing. Keaton can just get his own stream going and probably crush it so fast if they got a good producer like Ryan to run that show
@@Wooooosaaaaaa speak for yourself. I think most of us was thinking Keating should stay far away as possible from Garrett and his white privileged Ken attitude. Garrett is so fake it’s ridiculous.
@@Wooooosaaaaaadidn’t you hear that Keating wanting to start his own stream is to APPEASE Feldman and compete against him so there’s no way Ryan would partner with him for it
@@cameronandrew1853 he said someone like Ryan. Not Ryan directly.
This story keeps going on...and on.....and on.......and on.
Seriously! And we don’t even care!
I agree. These guys need to stop bitching and move on.
Garret says “like” more then a high school cheerleader 😂
omg.. hundred times
Sometimes it gets hard to listen to him. When every second word is “like”.
He’s a smart guy, but he really should work on using the word “like” a LOT less.
Why’d you point that out 😂 I can’t stop hearing it now
you know!
Shows ignorance.
These people like say like alot like
Who can listen to this?
Everyone came off as a complete tool/
I use to watch hustler to watch garret love his play doug should invite him to the lodge any stream hes on its going to get more viewers
I'd like the video but garrett already liked it 5000 times
Keating has the most nonchalant jokes. Funniest man with the most monotone voice 😂
I'm not sure why, but suddenly I feel the urge to go apologize to my wife for something.
I just want to say I'm super thankful for your comment and I really hope I'll be able to enjoy more of them in the future, because I really appreciate our interactions here.
Also ... like
Dude I want to say I’m sorry for wondering if your wife is a hottie. I sincerely apologize and will not be a perv in the future.
Who cares about all that drama Lex! I have enough drama in my own life.
Conclusion: Poker players are whiners and too needy and want all the attention.
When Garrett does come back wherever he goes it’s going to get massive numbers. I can’t wait for that!
For that to happen, he will be forced to play with pros he doesn't want to play with. He got so exposed and now blocked to a rich man soft game that is now more popular without him 😂
He’s not coming back.
He will make a come back at live at the bike definitely
Hey, it’s coming!
I didn’t realize Nick and Garrett had such a falling out over this. Nick should offer Garrett some free real estate courses to try to mend fences. Nick seems more problematic with each passing week. 1312
Lmao.
Nick leads the pack with negative ratings on his pie in the sky get rich quick real estate scam course .
WTF did I just watch? You just replayed the recording without adding any of your own insight. At least give some opinion.
Zero respect for Garrett until he returns the money to Robbi. Nobody has evidence that she was cheating and in a casino, on camera, it would be virtually impossible. I know he gave the money to charity but it wasn't his to give. He owes Robbi money. She did though, under pressure and ignorantly, gave him the money. All that being said, Garrett should not be banned from poker because he didn't violate any casino rule.
So he can’t give the money to charity because it’s not his to give but she can give the money to him but he has to return it because it’s not hers to give? Or it’s not his to give? Or not his to accept? What?
Do you really think the hustler waiting to do the investigation and even if they found something out do you think they would ruin their own show? Something def fishy about all that, and what about the hustler worker taking money off robbis stack?
@@johnnywang206 Legally, nothing can be forced as it is with the money. Ethically, he, the lead person on the show, threw a fit on a new person to the stream and she, admittedly, gave him the money under pressure and because of this, he should give it back to her. IMO Johnny.
@@milesdudley8243 The show is a minute part of that casino's income and no casino I know would jeopardize their establishment to cover up anything. In our state the gaming commission would have heard about this and looked into it already. They are extremely strict with anything that could be cheating. In a court of law, this would be thrown out immediately due to a complete lack of evidence. People that know poker can't believe anyone would make that idiotic call and so they cry, cheating for a lack of better explanation as to why she would do it. She said that Garrett had bluffed her and run over her a number of times and she made a stand. I've watched people do the same thing, usually to their detriment. She got very lucky being stupid.
@@l_pete_l6501 idk if it makes sense at all, making a stand w jack high? Have you seen her in other games lately??? She made a call for hundreds of thousands w jack high but I saw here all in with ak pre in another stream and she looked as if she was about to have a stroke, so why so confident w jack high for so much more money? It’s not right. You have to look into the whole deal with the worker for hustler as well, many fishy things involving him
Thanks Lex for posting this! I might have missed it if you hadn’t so thank you!
Garrett and keating in the same game? Could you guys imagine that??
I kind of think Ryan should give some respect out to Garret and Keating - as business associates. Particularly for Keating.... he contributed mega action & losses - in big high-stake games, he deserved that.
moving on and dusting hands seems pretty lame - without some bad blood. Give the guys a personal explanation so that this twitter space didn't have to happen.
Lex your a down to earth professional, would like to hear your thoughts on these poker topics.
I dont k ow about Ryan, but Nick doesn't seem capable of giving credit to anyone but himself. He's way too into himself.
@@Lou-Meatskavitch and so is bitch boy Garrett
Lex do yourself a favor and just stay out of the drama
Garrett is hurt.
Keating is under appreciated.
Feldman is untrustworthy.
Nittucci is crazy( not allowed on 😂).
Doug is misunderstood.
Charlie is understanding.
Keating is so funny and It’s so clear how under appreciated he feels and I tend to agree
The one guy who you don’t want to lose and they might have managed to do just that.
Under appreciated lol. “We appreciate you infusing the game w big whale loose money”. Garrett is a pro’s pro, he’s there to win money. This is his biz, provides for his family. He’s not there to appease the rec players, increase VPIP, socialize,…
HCL is such a shitty game since Garrett got exiled. You might as well watch a blackjack tournament.
He seems super annoyed and pissed off at Ryan/Nick/HCL
@Sonny I disagree. It's become way more entertaining since Garrett left.
Vertucci owes Keating an apology. They need to make him the Star ⭐️ of every show. The man gives action like a maniac and helped build their brand tenfold
I agree he would loose big money big pots and always carried himself amazing
@@khrizpabloking1244 Keating purposely did that for exposure. I don’t know why Nick and Ryan treat him like he’s a clown 🤡 It’s a shame. He loses on purpose to create great content for the show.
@@MysteriousMM no he does it to try and create an image for himself. Keating isnt doing this for the producers of the show. People go on these shows to try create fame for themselves. exactly what keating did.
Just say Garret needs to pay Robbie back
Bottom Line
It got to the point that I felt like being the HCL consumer was buying into some manipulation game
How about the manchild first repays the money he stole? And that he watches the J4o call down videos that existed (and still do...along with newer ones) on YT at the time he chose to utter "That's not even a poker hand!" And that he writes out 500 times (in cursive no less) 'J4o IS in fact a poker hand! And I lost to it like others before me have. And when I compare my actions to the manner in which other J4o losers have acted, I failed spectacularly.' Maybe then Hustler might consider sitting down with him. Ffs...people win hands everyday doing stupid shit. Acting like that can't (or doesn't) happen in big games is idiotic. It does. You aren't owed any explanation anyway. You feel it's sketchy, there are better ways to handle it. Dude particularly deserves no quarter given his inability to admit faults/mistakes in this matter.
28:25 "... don't waaaannntt to do that." Omfg...what!? That intimation...grimey af!!
Keating and Garrett made the games shine. Period. Feldman and Vertucci got paid. It's so weird that all these savvy businessmen couldn't have a conference call and hash this out privately. This is surreal man.
These are not private conversations. They were never intended to be private. They literally invited spectators who have their own poker channels and brand. 100% chance the knew this would be posted. Same with Doug's convo (he posted 1 himself and Charlie posted the other)
@@tylerkay825 I'm well aware of the platform. My point is you would think maybe these guys would choose to hash this stuff out in a PRIVATE setting. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking with it
That woman cheated 100%! Where is her play now making similar plays or gambling anywhere close to that money? It’s pretty obvious to me.
At this point who cares? She's moved on playing poker, Garret should be able to also. The underlying thing that isn't being talked about is Garret is a massive winner on HCL. The problem boils down to him being extremely fun and entertaining to watch, he brings viewership but the players dont want to play with him. Why would you want to play in a game when you now you're likely down? Its got nothing to do with how he handled the situation. The players know he's a real G. EDIT: Ok it is being talked about.
Also Garret helped build HCL, like it or not. They have kind of used him..
Thing w Garrett, built a huge following on just his gameplay, shows up and crushes. Doesn’t have a “persona” like Hellmuth, DNegs,…, and he’s never made a name for himself ie big tourney winnings to get a seat at big stakes game. See your argument where many rec players don’t wanna play a game where they feel outmatched. But argument that rec players are the lifeblood of livestreams is overhyped. There are many streams out there now (Lodge, TCH,…) w plenty of rec players and no one cares. I would argue > rec players want to play w Garrett vs don’t, even knowing they’re outmatched. Same as wanting to sit at table w Ivey, DNegs, Hellmuth,… Everyone who plays poker want take their shot, vs the best (Rounders vs Russian).
Used him? He openly admits he only does things to get money. I think you'll find the benefit was mutual...
ROBBIE didn't do anything wrong --and she should have never ever returned the money to that self-centered, arrogant, and underhanded Garrett
The number of "likes" is ridiculous. Garrett needs to try and make a conscious effort not to throw that word in conversation.
High level recap: Garrett pimped himself by stepping away after the J4 hand. That opened the door for Nick to ban him from the game because he was too good and players didn't want to play with him. HCL is thriving and popular as ever. The end.
Honestly it was hard to listen to. He sounded like a 9th grade high school girl.
Wow! You read my mind. Garrett is annoying with all his “likes”. He’s also a cut throat narcissist that would beat your grandma out of her last social security check. His nice guy image is LA phony. It’s too funny that his own ego ended up being his demise and is costing him millions in lost opportunities.
@@eddiehengzbach He's just emotionally an awkward dude, wants to be liked by all probably. He is immature in that aspect, You can be immature and smart at the same time.. But yeah, he needs to talk like a man, but he does face issues , Ill give him that
Deff not popular as ever. I haven't watched since Garrett left
@@jacksondickery509 They are as popular as ever. The viewership numbers don't lie. Just because you don't watch anymore doesn't make it not true. The world doesn't revolve around you Dickery.
Seems like a lot jealousy and butt-hurtness over not being "recognized" or " thanked" or "loyalty" for what was clearly business relationships that all parties consented to engage in. None of these dudes got into it with pure altruism in mind. Alan and Garrett sound real butt hurt for not benefitting as much as they wanted from HCL. But unless there some agreement made with Ryan that wasnt honored then they need to pull their panties up and quit the bitching.
ALL GARRETT NEED IS RETURN MONEY TO ROBBI. THEN IT SHOULD BE CLEAR HIS NAME. GARRETT AND ALAN SHOULD BE IN MILLIONS DOLLAR GAME ! GARRETT SHOULD KNOW THAT NOBODY WANT TO PLAY WITH HIM IN ANY CASINO. IT GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HUSTLER TO LET GARRETT PLAY AGAIN, IF HE STILL NOT GIVE MONEY BACK.
Hi lex, this is a long ass video, any chance you could add timestamps? Thanks 👍
I rather watch Garrett then a bunch of fish punting their money away. I like the fish too, but not just fish, that is not interesting. Garrett takes plenty of action plays and is interesting to watch. I am not watching that silly stream anymore.
On second thought.. not a whole lot was said. Pretty much a waste of everyones time. Garrett can't find it in himself to acknowledge his missteps.
She cheated! Her play is completely different from that day💯
If I'm Doug Polk I'm figuring out how to get Garret, Andy, and Keating into a million dollar livestream game at the Lodge. There's got to be some rich Texans that think they can beat Garrett. Watching airball and those other clowns got old real fast. Garrett and Andy are on a whole different level and it was fun to see them work. The nonsense on HCL now is probably entertaining to some but not the hardcore poker fans that want to watch high level cash play.
PokerGO is a thing
@@troywilson5686 it is and there are many interesting tourneys but deep stack cash is a bit different and when played correctly becomes very interesting to anyone who actually plays poker.
Garrett:" Like, like, like like."
How tf she cheated? They ran the board twice and at that point no one knew what’s the next card that come out and yet she won both run out .
Just give her money back and end of story, move on
The people working w/ RFD on the inside can see the run outs.
@@curtisking6271 no they can’t. But what they can see is hole cards. And she was relayed info that she was “ahead” because the person giving out info is a moron and so is robbi. She called when she probably shouldn’t have but neither her nor her accomplices are smart enough to figure out how sus it would look on camera.
She put him on Ace high so she HAD to call with Jack high. Make it make sense.
@@johnnywang206 she thought she paired her four. Simple. Case closed.
Kinkkong, a hustler graphics employee allegedly relayed her the message to call, and that same employee took 15k off her stack later that night
Can we just vote vertucci off the island and carry on hes toxic
Lex, please don’t subscribe to the BS notion that Garrett (or anyone) speaks ‘his’ truth. There isn’t ‘my’ truth or your truth. There’s truth, and there’s opinion.
The truth is that Garret is a Jew
Lol
This Patrick dude keeps putting a thumbs down lol
I have always enjoyed the speakers that talked, but after listening to this, I must admit, some respect has been lost. Lots of wining an egos. Life goes on. Pura Vida from Costa Rica!
Not often do you see two people air their grievances without yelling each other, empathize with each others feelings, and move forward. A lot of respect to Ryan and Garrett! Two emotionally mature men which this community is severely lacking
FESTIVUS is just only 7 months away!!!
Is this really how these guys speak? Wow!
Garrett should be BANNED --he has no class!
To say this show wouldn’t have beeen successful without garret is bullshit. People just liked his big stack buyin just like Andy got the same love while everyone else bought in 20k-30k. Garrett took over a million off recreational players, he doesn’t add anything and it’s been proven since he has been gone! Before he was the most high profile player that’s it! The action since Garrett left show proves he is given to much credit. He also profiled J4 lady he didn’t give her the respect he would give a known whale. This is Garrett so mad he isn’t in this current games
i mean your right about him not playing her as a whale. Why bluff raise all in a whale. so dumb.
This is what you get with too much macho …..both egos stay silent I stead of reaching out ,,,,all this over a stupid j4 hand ….ALAN KEATING is my fav player after GARRET, He is the G MAN …
I feel as if Keating is trolling Garret, because Garret is complaining a lot and acting over entiteled. I can not believe peopke are taking Keating seriously, Keating is trolling 100% and its brilliant.
It doesnt matter if hes trolling or being serious. Hes rude as fuck and being blatantly disrespectful and immature. Hes acting like a monkey. So he probably is trolling, which is worse than if he was serious.
The real fact is the that none of the hustler casino live poker players wants Garrett in a poker table.
Now I see why keating isn’t on hustler like that anymore , I personally think Ryan could have answered those questions better, and I think Garrett should go back to the bike or go to the lodge, let hustler sweat and lose some views alittle, I love hustler and I’ll watch any stream on any day but there’s definitely some unfairness and shade going on there
I agree. I think Vitucci is shady as heck and Ryan's slippery as an eel. Wouldn't trust those guys running a hot dog stand.
Like count: 412
Mister Keating is 1 of my favourite players of all times.
Garrett says Ben manipulated Nick into saying Garrett was banned. That's total bullshit. Nick, I'm sure, stands behind his words. I believe that Ryan would probably prefer to be more private. Garrett wants his narrative at the forefront, which is understandable, but in my opinion, Garrett was in the wrong after the J-4 hand. I believe he still needs to pay Robbi back.
Well, everyone was wondering why Keating wasn't in the million dollar game lineup, this pretty much shows why.
Why? Pls explain?
Keating will gonna play 2nd or 3rd day million dollar game.😁😁😅
Ryan feldmen always came off like a user, climber, snake type to me
Just seems like a straight up weasel, check out some of the allegations involving him and Luda Chris from his LATB days
Keating is so unapologetically him. Monotone sarcastic jokes.
He’s funny 😂
I feel the same way about being Nuetral on this, I love Garrett, I love Ryan Feldman, I love HCL, I LOVE POKER!!!!
I don’t care about any of the people listed above 👆🏼
You also love Nitucci?
I have never met and heard anyone saying " like" in their conversation more than Garret.
I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that, Garrett was the main reason a lot of people tuned in because he is an absolute boss! all the other players excluding Andy Stacks, Keating, Bill Klein and maybe Wesley really enjoyed to play with Garrett. The rest of them were happy to push the agenda to not have him play there anymore simply because he is just too good for any stakes with these players
Could be also because of him accusing other people of cheating when they beat him and steal money from them.
@@trdi Because they did you clown, Garrett has a perfect record in the poker community for 10+ years. Then little cucks and people who have no clue about poker take the side of scumbags. Story checks out, go simp harder for the scammers.
@@trdi
It could be that indeed but then we're back to the old statement of ''Why on earth would Robbie give him back the money if she won it fair and square''
I know for an absolute FACT that if I had played that hand and I didn't cheat, I'd never give anyone their money back
@@WilkzZz1 Why do people give money to robbers, if the money doesn't belong to the criminals?
@@trdi Ryan openly admits there is a 40% chance she cheated lol
Garrett's really struggling to accept that not everyone loves him. 😔
You still cool in my book homie 😎
You don’t have a book you clown
I agree.
Facts, he said earlier in some show that he struggles with not being liked
Human nature
If Garret & Keating create a new stream and invite the killers, and get away from rec whale poker which is what HCL has become, it would destroy HCL. If anyone pays attention, the High Stakes PokerGo videos where Robl, Hanks, Keating, JRB, are playing, they draw huge views. But HCL is known to not want good players, they run a show based on people wanting to gamble.
Someone is begging to come back
Jesus! If I was Ryan I might jump off a bridge..like high school drama up in here..new respect for Ryan on what he has to deal with
Hustler spend 1.5 Million defending themselves. He stopes the game and crys like a baby. The games are 100% better with out him pushing people around. He acted like a baby and she should have sued him from the money he stoled from him. I will never watch him play again, looser.
Rent free
You’re also crazy if you think the games have been better without Garrett
I think I'm totally over poker streams. Bike, Hustler, Lodge... every fucking one.
It's a circus. There's so little actual poker and so much drunken schtick. It's all poor theater.
This made me quit watching it but they got a ton of new watchers. I LOVE the highlight clips they post to youtube of the big hands.
If you take the word “like” away from these guys, they would be speechless.
Why you clicking here then! ✌️
@@maxvalue8403 Exactly
Why is nobody questioning these people who say "like" every fifth word and without context? I actually think the whole thing is coming from the fact that they have these stupid like buttons on everything online which you are encouraged to use. As for the whole jack four hand would it be ok if a man did it? Haha probably not.
It's like, I think like, like of course , you know like... cmon Garrett work on your vocabulary a little more. I would really LIKE that.
Garret tryna politic his way back into those lineups 😂. That boy only play in casinos so his action is toast lol. He lives to far from pokergo studios and he just had a baby. HCL is right next to him.
They need to give Garret A G-Pass on this situation and let him back on stream. Dude thought he was cheated. So he said some wild shit. But there would be No Hustler Without Garrets play & grind. they owe him some action and just a lil more appreciation. Besides Garret NOONE is bigger than the show, not even keeting cause all lineups were built before him.
Hustler is the best stream out there really enjoy the show. Thanks for the entertainment!
Can u imagine the views if garrett came bk??? He's the GOAT, he was obviously cheated. The big players they have now would be up for playing him. This has gone on too long now just get him bk lol.
He should of never called her a cheater without definitive proof
Idk what Feldman is talking about people not wanting to play deep with Garrett. These clowns have 500,000-1,000,000 on the table every Friday now.
One thing that drives me fkn crazy about the way these guys are talking, they sound like a bunch of valley girls. You know like, I just said like what like was he thinking like because I was like oh wow like. Seriously is this how people in California really talk? I have the upmost respect for Garret, he is one of my favourite and best cash game players in the country. But just say it guys, drop the “Like you know”. Edit: It may be a thing he does when he gets excited and does not notice he is doing it. I mean the man is definitely a very smart man, that does not mean so things don’t get to him. So I do not mean anything disrespectful, I think the guy is a great guy.
Ya know, like I'll just wait for the CliffsNotes version of this conversation.
There is ZERO chance I can sit through 50 minutes of "Ya know... Like....".
I wonder what the viewership numbers went to after the J4 hand on HCL That news went mainstream internationally for sure! Best stream production regardless and was going to grow extensively no doubt. Just wondering
Very interesting but it have a huge issue when people are telling Garrett that he should basically play softer or handicap himself so that other people win too. This is poker, it’s. It 3rd grade where everyone gets a participation trophy. It just sounds crazy to me. Why do people play poker?? To make money!
I see this in a lot of the bigger players who host games, they play soft and “give action” and money away. It’s ridiculous
When Garrett plays on live streams he is good for the game. Who would have thought this mess would have more drama than a couple of high school cheerleaders.
When Garrett plays, the poker is way more interesting. Not often do you see a guy doing a 6 figure flip calling with pocket 5s against AK. You just never see those kind of guts seeing amazing calls. It’s just punts and coolers. And people screaming like it too, alot of skill to cooler another player. I used to watch every single stream. I can’t stomach watching 30 min of it now, i just wait until the end of the stream now and scroll to the end results.
Are we not playing take a shot every time Garrett says “Like” ? I’m currently having my stomach pumped
Lost respect for learning and Garrett! Both groveling. Adelatein obviously wants back in at Hustler and Keating needs to understand is value is playing like a donkey
This is the owners of the streams fault, run a tighter ship so staff cant help players cheat. YOu didnt think that was going to happen????? SHitty steam security is the problem.
I blocked HCL from my YT after some of the Airball/Virtucci/Lynne nonsense. Quite relieved to not be watching their product.
You are gonna watch the million dollar buy in though whether u admit it or not.
True
@@GRANTTRAUBable xD
This conversation verbatim: “ Like like like like you know like like you know you know like like you know.” I thought these people were supposed to be “intelligent”. This sounded similar to a really bad episode of The Hills. Fucking painful to listen to.
If I’m Garrett I’d say hey Ryan I got cheated on your show in a hand. If you agree with that why should I be reaching out to you to see how you’re doing? Admit you believe I was cheated and then we can talk about me empathizing with how these scumbags you invited on the show brought a bad look to your stream. I’m the one who got cheated
OMG Garrett learn how to speak like a grown-up. Like ah, ya know, ah, like ah, like, you know like, like a grown up!
Lil garrett has nothing to be mad at after he EXTORTED Robbi after she outplayed him in the j4 hand. Lock him up.
My gosh. It’s like small children still talking about this months later. This is a embarrassing to listen to. Sounds like y’all need some hugs and maybe some therapy
Garret needs to stop throwing his toys out of the pram he just got owned and can’t handle it, he needs to move and and deal with it like a grown up. Lost all respect for the guy. Especially when he took the money back off Robbi.
Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like Vertucci and Ryan used Garrett to build their stream when no one knew who they were and when they didn’t need him anymore and he was more problems than he was worth they cut him loose Why don’t you guys just fucking admit it and move on
i dont miss garrett but he is probably right. To me the addition of airball is killing the game, as soon as he comes on i turn the game off
Poker should be the foundation and priority, with drama in a distant second place. Airball and co can only offer short term sugar highs
This conversation is people saying everything except for what they want to say. My god. What a terrible video 😂
Keating is a class act
Garret is money hungry and should pay Rubie back and stop talking about charity horse shit
@lex - you have such an amazing head on your shoulders. never let yourself become like these egoistical maniacs. the drama in the poker world is bigger than NJ housewives. you do you and focus on playing great poker to make a living.
wish someone had the full recording of the keating twitter space where he said he will never play on HCL again
Lex , your vlog is my favorite, but I would rather watch you play than hear Garrett talk.