For anyone confused at the beginning, he's talking about effective healing. Because you're taking 50% less damage your "effective" health is 1,600 during Take a Breather, and having more effective health also increases effective healing. Double effective health means double healing, so Take a Breather is "effectively" healing 360hp per second
effective health is the right terminology but the healing is the same, if you have 400 hp and heal thru damage you will only heal 450 hp no matter what (360 from the dps passive i believe, im not 100% on hogs healing numbers). but you will have more effective health because you mitigate more damage, healing is not better it will just make using breather feel better. you will have more hp but it wont be “more” healing just more survivability i get what cyx is trying to say, ur healing will in fact be better overall. but hogs healing numbers will be the exact same
For Hog heals against the DPS passive. (1 - 20% = 0.8). Since you are healing 1 tick of hp repeatedly (0.8 x 450 = 360), which is how much he had during the first fight.
@@Screech2111 That wouldn't be good, heroes like Mauga, JQ, Brig, Reaper, etc would all massively be in a tier of there own since they can ignore the majority of value the DPS passive provides.
I don't mind the healing reduction while taking damage thing except on hog. The issue it still doesn't fix is the combos like mercy + widow sojourn, pharah.
One issue with the passive is that there isnt any indicator. Imagine if discord orb was completely invisible. And not only that, but it can also be applied by two people on the enemy team.
@@okwhy8720 not really. even when RH is struggling Cyx is still killing more people than not. he never gets mowed down in the way he mows down the other team with hook kills. he just ends up giving up the few times he is getting crazy dps'd and has to hide behind los and goes zarya or something. he's still really good and periodically dominant on RH when RH is supposedly bad. altho u could say the same about chasm w/ ball.
@@PTSDwithME the most important point is that the character is fundamentally trash for the new passive and the character received nothing in exchange to compensate it, i get it, you think hog is op and all that shit but you are forcing your team to play better than the enemy team to actually win the game, combine that with the fact that in this speedy and unoneshotable comps ana is not even needed to take a hog down, the character fundamentally is trash and the only way that you can manage to make him work is if you are better than the enemy team, but once again whats the point of playing hog anymore if he cant oneshot and cant tank better than literally any other tank, the character is so bad is disgusting, imagine i started to play reinhardt and i was a hog main
Most of the time I use hog ultimate for crowd control, I use it and while they are getting knocked back my teammates pick ‘‘em off, please don’t judge me I’m new to overwatch
damn, the entirety of your heal had the dps passive cyx lmaooo. hogs healing is 450 which minus 20% would be 360 which is the exact amount of healing you had after your first death. if they increase his heal by 50 it would make it so he can do 400 healing at least. but with 50% mit idk if they would it TOO difficult for non-dps roles to kill hog. killing him on tank would be near impossible
All they need to do is give all characters the reduced healing passive, that way playing tank and support wouldn't feel so miserable. Also everyone would be on a level playing field.
They should make it so hog gives his team a small aoe dmg reduction when vaping like maugas heal for dmg. It would solve all his issues with tanking while missing his 1 shot with the dps passive. Then people can't just discord dps passive him and make him have no value
This shows how dumb flats is, calling those buffs to junk and road way good thats this gonna be there meta, man he is so dumb, i think junk is one of the wordt heros ever in ow. He is so boosted plsyer, he should just play solo and i think he would be like master 5.
For anyone confused at the beginning, he's talking about effective healing. Because you're taking 50% less damage your "effective" health is 1,600 during Take a Breather, and having more effective health also increases effective healing. Double effective health means double healing, so Take a Breather is "effectively" healing 360hp per second
With this change and the DPS passive you now have to out-damage 288hp/s when Hog holds right click to kill him
@@ericestrada3530you’re hot just saying 🥰
@@starsidecosmos this is exactly what he said...
"having more effective health also increases effective healing." What, no. The healing is a fixed amount/second.
effective health is the right terminology but the healing is the same, if you have 400 hp and heal thru damage you will only heal 450 hp no matter what (360 from the dps passive i believe, im not 100% on hogs healing numbers).
but you will have more effective health because you mitigate more damage, healing is not better it will just make using breather feel better. you will have more hp but it wont be “more” healing just more survivability
i get what cyx is trying to say, ur healing will in fact be better overall. but hogs healing numbers will be the exact same
dude that final fight on dorado surely was some overwatch
For Hog heals against the DPS passive. (1 - 20% = 0.8). Since you are healing 1 tick of hp repeatedly (0.8 x 450 = 360), which is how much he had during the first fight.
The passive shouldn't affect selfheal imo (except for maybe Moira)
@@Screech2111 That wouldn't be good, heroes like Mauga, JQ, Brig, Reaper, etc would all massively be in a tier of there own since they can ignore the majority of value the DPS passive provides.
They should add 50 more health to Take a Breather. That way he can at least heal half his health pool with DPS passive
that 5 secs starting with the genji ult hook was ridiculous.
I don't mind the healing reduction while taking damage thing except on hog. The issue it still doesn't fix is the combos like mercy + widow sojourn, pharah.
cyx bird 6:47
One issue with the passive is that there isnt any indicator. Imagine if discord orb was completely invisible.
And not only that, but it can also be applied by two people on the enemy team.
Also without a cooldown, just constant application
4:00 for robo dong if anyone is interested
Very cool, thank you
@@SunnyWave174 just doing my part, bud.
bro zen is like and still is the best support in the game even after his nerfs and its because they took out one tank
Like Cyx’s hog even needed to be any better, stronger, with more uptime, and veinier
Imma ignore the sexual innuendo to add that even cyx is struggling to play hog.
@@okwhy8720 not really. even when RH is struggling Cyx is still killing more people than not. he never gets mowed down in the way he mows down the other team with hook kills. he just ends up giving up the few times he is getting crazy dps'd and has to hide behind los and goes zarya or something. he's still really good and periodically dominant on RH when RH is supposedly bad. altho u could say the same about chasm w/ ball.
@@doc-vg9lq he legit said on stream he's struggling to play hog this season
@@okwhy8720 you ignored the most important part of my comment though
@@PTSDwithME the most important point is that the character is fundamentally trash for the new passive and the character received nothing in exchange to compensate it, i get it, you think hog is op and all that shit but you are forcing your team to play better than the enemy team to actually win the game, combine that with the fact that in this speedy and unoneshotable comps ana is not even needed to take a hog down, the character fundamentally is trash and the only way that you can manage to make him work is if you are better than the enemy team, but once again whats the point of playing hog anymore if he cant oneshot and cant tank better than literally any other tank, the character is so bad is disgusting, imagine i started to play reinhardt and i was a hog main
That dps passive shouldn't effect a characters self heal. Hog, queen, maui, reaper, soldier. Should only effect incoming healing from others
Add kiriko, ana, bap, mercy, Moira, LW as well
Most of the time I use hog ultimate for crowd control, I use it and while they are getting knocked back my teammates pick ‘‘em off, please don’t judge me I’m new to overwatch
damn, the entirety of your heal had the dps passive cyx lmaooo. hogs healing is 450 which minus 20% would be 360 which is the exact amount of healing you had after your first death. if they increase his heal by 50 it would make it so he can do 400 healing at least. but with 50% mit idk if they would it TOO difficult for non-dps roles to kill hog. killing him on tank would be near impossible
Maybe it's not huge buff, but at least he get some love 🥺
Cyx's hooks don't hit like they used to
Honestly its useless because 20% healing reduction on dps heroes is crazy.
All they need to do is give all characters the reduced healing passive, that way playing tank and support wouldn't feel so miserable. Also everyone would be on a level playing field.
2:03 Well it’s 20% and your stats seem quite accurate.
450 x 0.2 = 90
450 - 90 = 360
What's the hog animation that cyx is talking about
The animation when Hog hooks an enemy and shoots, and it looks like the hooks flies out of Hogs hand for half of a second.
I'm done playing role que and I just started playing open and it's so much fucking fun
is it enough? we will find out in the future.
At 5:27 why is "macke;P" talking in match chat without being on either team? for that matter how do they have a ; in their username??
Who on earth was that soldier using visor for?
Hog fart new ability
Now this is epic
did i miss an update? why does hog have 800 health
scale the breather to new hp and hog is fine
Hog already is fine
Meanwhile, Flats acts like Hog is gonna be fricking nuts and insane. XD
I said in the comment that hog will still be bad and some guy told me,my comment was invalid because flats is top 500 and im not.
@@dantevic Is he even top 500? 🤣 I dont follow him but I dont think He got above champ
@@bonfire9630 Yea, he mostly plays tank and is known as one of the best rein when rein was good.
Flats is a blizzard plant
@@dantevic I know who he is, I followed him for a while until he messed up in my eyes.
I think hog also needs more bullets
Weird take
Name of the music if you don’t mind ?
Anyone know what music is playing at the beginning of the video? I can hear it best around the 2 minute mark.
Also really audible at 5:55.
@@emmettbachran13 maybye its from holocure
Mario kart Ds- tick tock clock
It shows in the top left
that's not the right song lol@@Hogonetrick
Give hook melee dmg again and then we are talking
What im sayin bro 30 damage hook is literally the perfect buff it boggles me that blizzard have not thought of that yet.
Why is cyx wearing a wig now?
Hogs cooked for season 9.
They should make it so hog gives his team a small aoe dmg reduction when vaping like maugas heal for dmg. It would solve all his issues with tanking while missing his 1 shot with the dps passive. Then people can't just discord dps passive him and make him have no value
Okay. Hog is still trash. Damn.
Just give us 1 tap back please
It don’t matter, none of it matters.
I think dva is the solution to this garbage sombra tracer meta
You should play with wanted(john)
This shows how dumb flats is, calling those buffs to junk and road way good thats this gonna be there meta, man he is so dumb, i think junk is one of the wordt heros ever in ow. He is so boosted plsyer, he should just play solo and i think he would be like master 5.
Flats chat was telling him the junk changes didn't do anything yet he still said they were good changes which pissed me off lol