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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +164

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    Turns out the split throttle thing actually can help you control the Tomcat with a lot more authority, pretty cool to see what kind of thing in the movie too. Maybe they got that advice from real pilots who did it in real life? I don't know. Super dangerous but high payoff in a dogfight. Thanks for watching guys, Much Love.

    • @doncalypso
      @doncalypso 2 роки тому +7

      Since the engine nacelles are as widely spaced in Flankers and MiG-29s it would be worth you trying this technique in those planes as well.

    • @Leonardo-wn2fp
      @Leonardo-wn2fp 2 роки тому +17

      I can recall an article where one F-14 Pilot shared stories of his time flying the big fighter. He mentioned that a fellow pilot of his had actually mastered the split throttle technique and could use it to execute the perfect turn with the Tomcat. He himself told that he never quite made it to that level of perfect timing, so it seems like this technique was very very difficult to execute perfectly.

    • @philswift791
      @philswift791 2 роки тому +2

      I use this in Il2 2 and it is impressive how fast the 2 engine aircraft will turn doing it. That might be a fun video.

    • @ecoop20
      @ecoop20 2 роки тому

      Love seeing the Cat do awesome stuff! It really is amazing what can be done if you push it.
      It's been a while since you've done a warbird fight. Would love to see you do another one. Maybe something in the Fw 190?
      Also, if you could explain some of the differences in how WWII dogfighting tactics differ from jet tactics, that'd be amazing. I know there are things like how the vertical is handled differently, but is there any other major difference?
      Appreciate all you do! You're awesome!

    • @johnhancey2746
      @johnhancey2746 2 роки тому +1

      Do you think the Hornet could use the same tactic?

  • @__-fm5qv
    @__-fm5qv 2 роки тому +767

    The fact that the F-14 can, in the right circumstances, go 1-circle with a super hornet is frankly amazing.

    • @M167A1
      @M167A1 2 роки тому +50

      It was an amazing aircraft

    • @__-fm5qv
      @__-fm5qv 2 роки тому +32

      @@M167A1 Oh absolutely! Its capability only matched by its difficulty to fly it at said full capability.

    • @friendlyreptile9931
      @friendlyreptile9931 2 роки тому +55

      Yeah and don'T forget that the DCS version is just a A and B model. Everything changed with the D. The new avionics and engines made it a totaly new airplane.

    • @jiceBERG
      @jiceBERG 2 роки тому +25

      @@friendlyreptile9931 the B and D both had F110. D had the upgraded AWG radar suite. All incredible airplanes in the right hands but the GE engine made that airplane the fighter it was intended to be.

    • @TeeDubzz
      @TeeDubzz 2 роки тому +35

      @@__-fm5qv Imagine if the Super Tomcat with fly-by-wire and vectored thrust was ever made!

  • @Hakumai_o7
    @Hakumai_o7 2 роки тому +1003

    The fact that the F14 seems to have so many of these unconventional tricks up it's sleeve that a seasoned pilot can employ gives it so much character in my eyes. Really cool to see how much performance you can get out of the Tomcat if you really wring it's neck out. Kinda proves the point Rooster says in the movie about it not being about the plane, but the pilot.

    • @Austin-cn8vh
      @Austin-cn8vh 2 роки тому +124

      I recall seeing a video featuring a former F-14 pilot explaining that one of the biggest reasons the tomcat was so good as a fighter was that there were planes faster than it. There were planes that could fly slower than it. But there has never been a plane that is both faster and slower than a tomcat in a fight. It always has a place in the flight envelope where it has an advantage. And a good pilot could take that little edge and bring the plane home pretty much every time.

    • @brandonclark435
      @brandonclark435 2 роки тому +72

      @@Austin-cn8vh More than that, it is effectively two planes in one. Wings swept back and swept forward, the Tomcat changes. It is a different fight.
      Eagle pilots realized they could read the energy state just by wing sweep. But the wings can be swept manually, Tomcats could use manual sweep to fool Eagle drivers.

    • @jrmbayne
      @jrmbayne 2 роки тому +43

      Almost every airplane can outperform its pilot, but the tomcat seems to be an extension of the pilot

    • @Acrophobia2
      @Acrophobia2 2 роки тому +18

      I think that’s why I like older planes. They have a lot more creative tactics that can be used, while modern jets are so well designed there isn’t much creativity needed.

    • @iivin4233
      @iivin4233 2 роки тому +20

      @@Acrophobia2 You hear tales of novice F-35 pilots out-fighting seasoned F-16 pilots. I am not an expert in military aircraft but if that's true then isn't that a good thing?
      After all it's not about looking cool. It's about winning and our boys coming home.

  • @brunoks6951
    @brunoks6951 2 роки тому +511

    9:30 Maverick was right TWICE. When he said "the enemy knows everything inside the f-18 manual too''. You used your knowledge on f-18, and exploited it in a well executed tactic.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +194

      Aha ya when he tosses the NATOPS in the trash. That was a great scene.

    • @CoffeeMatt10
      @CoffeeMatt10 2 роки тому +115

      “I’m gonna assume you know this book inside and out?”
      “Yeah!”
      “Damn straight!”
      📕
      🗑
      “So does your enemy.”

    • @SupaMan2122
      @SupaMan2122 2 роки тому +22

      It’s really whichever real pilot offered the input for the film, hope we find that out someday

    • @seeingeyegod
      @seeingeyegod 2 роки тому +2

      If he had to fight an F-18E here instead of a C the outcome might have been different

    • @2ksnakenoodles
      @2ksnakenoodles 2 роки тому +8

      @@seeingeyegod he fought an E

  • @BadAssEngineering
    @BadAssEngineering 2 роки тому +308

    Im convinced TGM writers actually spoke with Top F14 pilots and asked what tricks they used with the F14s.
    That Split Throttle thing is not something any writer would pull out of their ass

    • @Agent-Strawman
      @Agent-Strawman 2 роки тому +55

      That's some Tom Clancy kind of writing.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +160

      I would bet money you’re correct about that. I mean we know for a fact they spoke to real pilots but the split throttle thing for sure they got from a real pilot. You’re right no writer is pulling that one out of the blue.

    • @xxZerosumxx
      @xxZerosumxx 2 роки тому +5

      Maybe he's a really really good writer? lol

    • @ed4709
      @ed4709 2 роки тому +11

      @@xxZerosumxx
      No, no he’s not.

    • @AP-te6mk
      @AP-te6mk 2 роки тому +17

      Pretty normal to have military advisors involved in the making of the movie. Not to mention the sheer number of naval aviators involved in Top Gun: Maverick. I'm sure there was a wealth of knowledge to pull from.

  • @MAB-nj8wf
    @MAB-nj8wf 2 роки тому +287

    Also, would like to see how things might look in regards to Mavericks father, Duke Mitchell, and a simulation of a F-4B vs. a MiG-17.

    • @TheNinjaMarmot
      @TheNinjaMarmot 2 роки тому +28

      Wasn't his dad against half a dozen Migs?

    • @MAB-nj8wf
      @MAB-nj8wf 2 роки тому +16

      @@TheNinjaMarmot Something like that. Maybe run the simulation where its against 3 MiG-17's...

    • @no_regerts5176
      @no_regerts5176 2 роки тому +49

      @@TheNinjaMarmot They we’re like fireflies all over the sky. His F4 was hit, and he was wounded but he could have made it back. He stayed in it. Saved three planes before he bought it.

    • @judyhopps9380
      @judyhopps9380 2 роки тому +3

      @@no_regerts5176 sounds more like they went for him whilst his mates did a runner

    • @BeingFireRetardant
      @BeingFireRetardant 2 роки тому +6

      @@judyhopps9380
      He was quoting Tom Skerritt...

  • @Trains-With-Shane
    @Trains-With-Shane 2 роки тому +566

    Remember guys. They didn't retire the F14 because it was junk. They retired it for cost savings. The Tomcat is one of the most impressive aircraft of its generation. It's absolutely incredible what the "Grumman Iron Works" managed to achieve. Such a huge aircraft yet so capable even in a dogfight with smaller and supposedly more agile opponents.

    • @Xechran
      @Xechran 2 роки тому +67

      Cheney had it out for the cat since the 80s. When he got it killed the justification was that it was 1960s tech in a new era, it could no longer compete.
      And then they sent these beautiful birds to the shredders, because allowing Iran to get any parts and keep their aging Tomcats in the air was too dangerous to the Tomcat's own replacement. SMH.

    • @Ankhobo
      @Ankhobo 2 роки тому +45

      It would have been even better if the navy chose to go with the proposed upgrades to the F-14.

    • @juslitor
      @juslitor 2 роки тому +27

      That, and the airframes were EOL

    • @wastedapathy22
      @wastedapathy22 2 роки тому +20

      It’s a crime that so few Ds were built.

    • @Stinger522
      @Stinger522 2 роки тому +13

      @@juslitor End of Life?

  • @air-headedaviator1805
    @air-headedaviator1805 2 роки тому +152

    Remember hearing from a WW2 Lockheed Lightning veteran on a production how one of the best advantages of the lightning was split throttle, throttling back either engine allowing for greater roll reaction. The P-38 of course was a huge aircraft fighting against nimble Japanese fighter craft, so it couldn’t rate or one-circle fight any of them on equal footing, but split throttle even gave them a fighting advantage.

    • @ScottOmatic
      @ScottOmatic 2 роки тому +19

      Yes, there was a famous mock dogfight with a Spitfire ace vs a P-38 ace, (unfortunately I forget what pilots were involved), and the Spitfire supposedly could not evade or outmaneuver the P-38 due to the tactical use of adjust the engine torque through the split-throttle).

    • @air-headedaviator1805
      @air-headedaviator1805 2 роки тому +8

      @@ScottOmatic thats kinda rad. I can imagine the 2 locked in a downward spiral, but the Lightning using differential to keep its nose pointed at the Spit, despite its attempt to out turn it.

    • @f-111fmissionsimulator4
      @f-111fmissionsimulator4 2 роки тому +6

      Yes, think Jeff Ethell mentioned his father using this tactic coupled with the maneuvering flaps in North Africa. Believe Major Richard Bong noted using this same tactic as well.

    • @303Pinker
      @303Pinker 2 роки тому +5

      P-38 had also other advantage. It was 2 engine but contra rotating propellers. Because of that plane had no propeller counter force rolling plane at low speed or during stall condition. P-38 could literally hang on it's propellers or fly straight without wing drop during stall.

    • @kalui96
      @kalui96 2 роки тому

      なに?????

  • @bastadimasta
    @bastadimasta 2 роки тому +147

    Tom Cruise is always right. The US Navy gave F-14 the nickname TomCat because TOMCuiseAllwaysTrue.
    Three years before Top Gun, Tom Mapother invented an anti ship CRUISE missile for the US NAVY in just 5 months. He wanted to call it Hawk Cruise Missile, but the Navy officials changed it TOMahawk CRUISE missile to show their respects to him. In return, Tom changed his name to Tom Cruise.

    • @mortenBP
      @mortenBP 2 роки тому +11

      Hahahaha. Good one, even as Tom Cruise was about 4 when the Tomcat prototype flew.

    • @Haya-OhWaves
      @Haya-OhWaves 2 роки тому

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️👍

    • @TonerLow
      @TonerLow 2 роки тому

      @@nukewurld he is just dropping some facts into this sea of aspergers.

    • @DefenceDatabase
      @DefenceDatabase 2 роки тому +3

      Also, the cruise missiles like Tomahawk were invented by Tom Cruise.

    • @bastadimasta
      @bastadimasta 2 роки тому +5

      @@mortenBP the coming of Tom Cruise was predicted long before his birth.

  • @seanbrown207
    @seanbrown207 2 роки тому +155

    Amazing that an older jet like the F-14 can keep up in a dogfight against more modern fighters, given a seasoned pilot and some unconventional tactics like differential thrust!

    • @VuLamDang
      @VuLamDang 2 роки тому +22

      Imagine a fully digitalized F-14 with FBW (or even fly by optic), predictive algorithm... it's gonna smoke everything bar raptor

    • @adrewadrew5860
      @adrewadrew5860 2 роки тому +2

      ​@@VuLamDang yes and that will cost more then brand new F 35.

    • @seppi1789
      @seppi1789 2 роки тому +3

      @@VuLamDang laughs in every supermanuverable fighter out there

    • @ronaldthompson4989
      @ronaldthompson4989 2 роки тому +1

      Food for thought, the F-4 Phantom is about as fast as the F-35. Advancements in handling, weaponry, sensors, etc. are undeniably worth it, but the pilot still matters. That gapz between what a vehicle is SUPPOSED to do versus what it CAN do if you are crazy enough :)

    • @animationcycles7109
      @animationcycles7109 2 роки тому +1

      If it didn't COST so much to keep in maintenance, fly worthy condition, (and upgrading/updating) it probably not have been chucked aside. Platform wise, it's a solid aircraft. Simply too much cost for upkeep.
      If I remember correctly, the F-15 is close to the same age, as the F-14, but it's still in use. A solid platform as well. But the upkeep (financially) is far less, compared to the F-14.

  • @anrikurisuto4432
    @anrikurisuto4432 2 роки тому +106

    Videos like this make me wonder whether ST-21 might be more than just a dream after all. Imagine a Tomcat with all the modern upgrades, including stealth, vector thrust, better engines, LERX and a modern board computer that can accurately control Split throttle, next to all that other fun stuff. At that point we have a nice 6th gen. ...They might even reimagine the canopy for better visibility.

    • @Silversmok3
      @Silversmok3 2 роки тому +41

      ST-21 would be a badass airplane. But the Super Hornet was the smarter decision. The Navy needed replacements for the A-6, F/A-18 legacy Hornet, the KS-3 tanker, and the E/A-6B Prowler. The Tomcat 21 couldn’t do all of those missions & would cost as much as a USAF F-22. The Super Hornet does, and while not as glamorous it’s cheaper and it’s effective. If the Tomcat is a Ferrari, the Super Hornet is the work truck. It won’t impress the neighbors, but you can’t tow a camper with a Ferrari.

    • @Daytonaman675
      @Daytonaman675 2 роки тому +3

      I think this would be a fantastic plan.

    • @jennyarriola324
      @jennyarriola324 2 роки тому +18

      @@Silversmok3 and now the US Navy does NOT have an air superiority fighter against Chinese and Russian jets.

    • @Silversmok3
      @Silversmok3 2 роки тому +12

      @@jennyarriola324 The E/A-18G is better than anything Russia and China have, and yes I’m aware of the ECM J-16 variant.

    • @Stinger522
      @Stinger522 2 роки тому +3

      @@jennyarriola324 The Super Hornet can carry the AIM-120D.

  • @andersonklein3587
    @andersonklein3587 2 роки тому +52

    The Tomcat is especially impressive when you consider that it was made back in the day to replace the F-4/F-5 and would have flown in its heyday against Mig-21/Mig-23... Even when matched against Mig-25 and other concurrent planes it was still shockingly good. The fact it can hold a candle to modern planes is a testament to how solidly a 4th gen fighter it really was. Though, to be fair, it did cost about the same as an F-22 adjusted for inflation.

    • @easetheweeb
      @easetheweeb 2 роки тому +2

      the mig25 isnt all that great, it's a bigger fatter f-15

    • @andersonklein3587
      @andersonklein3587 2 роки тому +7

      @@easetheweeb that's partially because while both were interceptors on paper, the F-14 was a true early 4th gen multirole. Whereas the Mig 25 seems to really have been taylor made to intercept bombers and do BVR fights. Something that only really matured with the Mig 31.

    • @Subhumanoid_
      @Subhumanoid_ 2 роки тому

      How come they don't have F-22s if they could afford so many F-14s back in the day?

    • @303Pinker
      @303Pinker 2 роки тому +3

      @@easetheweeb Mig 25 was a own class. Wasn't able to do any dogfight but was and stil is fastest fighter plane doing 3+ mach.

    • @rearspeaker6364
      @rearspeaker6364 2 роки тому +6

      @@burnedbacon3989 mig-25 was made to intercept the SR-71, that's why the 3.2 mach spec exists.

  • @salutarydreams520
    @salutarydreams520 2 роки тому +61

    Hey man. Now that you showed us how differential thrust can affect the F-14, it would be interesting to see how other aircraft like F-15, SU-27, etc. responds to differential thrust. Anyways, really enjoyed your video!

    • @miletello1
      @miletello1 2 роки тому +21

      Not sure it would be as effective on an F15 due to the engines being mounted so close together....the Tomcat engines have a much bigger gap between them and can apply greater yaw forces onto the airframe and really push the nose around.

    • @52down
      @52down 2 роки тому +9

      @@miletello1 but Felon and Flankers are different story

    • @miletello1
      @miletello1 2 роки тому +3

      @@52down right....especially the Felon.

    • @karjalasta
      @karjalasta 2 роки тому +5

      I wanna see this experiment, specially on the F-16 and the Mirage :D

    • @karjalasta
      @karjalasta 2 роки тому +3

      @@nukewurld You ruined it bro :(

  • @Haya-OhWaves
    @Haya-OhWaves 2 роки тому +13

    Ok, now we need a TOP GUN 3 to uncover more Tomcat secrets ! Come on ! 🤗😉

  • @cykeok3525
    @cykeok3525 2 роки тому +13

    If the DCS flight model is accurate, this goes some way to lending credence to the interesting reports/rumors that the Iranian F-14 aces used differential thrust in dogfights against Iraqi MiG-21s and Mirages.

  • @misteralex01
    @misteralex01 2 роки тому +35

    Do the F-14 with differential thrust against the F-22! That would be an interesting fight to see.

    • @Warmaker01
      @Warmaker01 2 роки тому +7

      I see you, Kirk. Can you see me?

    • @shsfootball7478
      @shsfootball7478 2 роки тому +2

      @@Warmaker01 Warrior to warrior

    • @303Pinker
      @303Pinker 2 роки тому +3

      There is other video F22 vs Spitfire where F22 was better in one circle. Sorry but F14 can't beat that.

    • @303Pinker
      @303Pinker 2 роки тому

      Nevertheless I think Spitfire flight model must be messed up if was beaten by F22. Otherwise it was pilot, not a plane factor.

    • @rearspeaker6364
      @rearspeaker6364 2 роки тому +2

      @@303Pinker a F-22 is completely different beast, made to remove all planes in existance.

  • @Krecikdwamiljony
    @Krecikdwamiljony 2 роки тому +30

    I love how in the first round you kept talking, calmly, about advantages of splitting throttle while casually killing the bandit

  • @wheelbasemedia5814
    @wheelbasemedia5814 2 роки тому +5

    In an F-14, with the F-18 on your 6, start a high-G uphill barber pole. The F-18 can't turn inside the F-14 AND climb (B more so than A). Use the thrust to weight. The fight will go until the F-18 runs out of energy, then just drop on top of the F-18 when he ditches out to regain air speed.

  • @lancer737
    @lancer737 2 роки тому +7

    Now you gotta do F-14 vs SU57 once you master this technique XD. I loved your previous videos, I just felt like you were very unlucky because I see people in DCS PvP with F-14 beat SU57 1 on 1 or team vs team.

  • @samanazimi5087
    @samanazimi5087 2 роки тому +22

    f22 bandits unknown (2 bandits)

    • @mjtpaiq3998
      @mjtpaiq3998 2 роки тому

      Nah the f12 need something more harder. This aircraft basically a monster

    • @Mako2-1
      @Mako2-1 2 роки тому

      YES!! And another vid with the F-35, J-20 , and Su-57!

  • @MAB-nj8wf
    @MAB-nj8wf 2 роки тому +3

    Or let's do an Iron Eagle simulation...
    A single F-16B against four MiG-23's...

  • @williamsjm100
    @williamsjm100 2 роки тому +41

    So I love this, you are clearly teasing us as we all want to see… differential thrust against the SU57 !!!!!! Great video as always.

    • @danrazART
      @danrazART 2 роки тому +2

      Yes please!

    • @Tabaskospecial
      @Tabaskospecial 2 роки тому +4

      Unfortunately that might be too much for the F14 but perhaps GS could pull it off

  • @MrJay_White
    @MrJay_White 2 роки тому +29

    f14 with a flight control system to keep it from spinning out would have been impressive.

    • @charlesfollette9692
      @charlesfollette9692 2 роки тому +12

      I think the f14d was really resistant to stalls and flat spins

    • @duanemcdaniel9642
      @duanemcdaniel9642 2 роки тому

      That would have been later models... that tricky Dick... Chumly killed. 🤬

    • @manuairborne
      @manuairborne 2 роки тому +7

      All Tomcats were retrofitted with a DFCS late 90's.

    • @vfrmaverick
      @vfrmaverick 2 роки тому +6

      yes and no, it would force the plane to stay in its box. Which flying outside the box is what lets the tomcat be the surgeons scalpel it is

    • @MrJay_White
      @MrJay_White 2 роки тому +2

      @@vfrmaverick well, i was implying a system to let it lean on the edge of that box rather than keep it quite so sanitised.

  • @elbryan9
    @elbryan9 2 роки тому +27

    So my question is, will this split throttle maneuver actually help against a SU-57 like it seemed to in the movie?

    • @TheGoddamnBacon
      @TheGoddamnBacon 2 роки тому +23

      My guess is he's building up to that, just using it in fights with aggressors in fights they normally are superior in.

    • @GENERALEVILANGEL
      @GENERALEVILANGEL 2 роки тому

      watch yesterday's video

    • @qararmwibowo660
      @qararmwibowo660 2 роки тому +1

      he already tried in previous video

    • @elbryan9
      @elbryan9 2 роки тому

      @@GENERALEVILANGEL I did. That was against an F-15, not a SU-57.

    • @elbryan9
      @elbryan9 2 роки тому +2

      @@qararmwibowo660 Which previous video? The last video was against an F-15 which has nowhere near the same maneuvering capability as the SU-57.

  • @veleriphon
    @veleriphon 2 роки тому +9

    The Super Tomcat would have been absolutely terrifying, let alone a lighter variant for the USAF.

  • @Stinger522
    @Stinger522 2 роки тому +11

    Grizzly's flying had me screaming at the screen.
    He flew out in front of your nose which got him gunned and then he snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory by ramming you after getting the gun kill. He lost because he kept screwing up too much.

    • @garyhendershot9153
      @garyhendershot9153 2 роки тому +4

      To be fair, I think he actually hit a piece that was coming off the aircraft... not the bulk of the plane... Sometimes sh*t happens.

  • @bobbob4479
    @bobbob4479 2 роки тому +34

    Just curious but what if you could try and use differential thrust on other 2 engine fighters? Really enjoyed it.

    • @timrogers2638
      @timrogers2638 2 роки тому +8

      I was thinking the same. I wonder if the effectiveness is directly related to the distance between the long axis of each engine.

    • @almac03
      @almac03 2 роки тому

      mybad i asked the same question

    • @Akumasama
      @Akumasama 2 роки тому +16

      P-38 secret final boss

    • @givemeanameman1
      @givemeanameman1 2 роки тому +17

      @@timrogers2638 it is, the more off central axis an engine is the more differential thrusts effects.
      Its a leaver.
      “Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world. ” - Archimedes

    • @Austin-cn8vh
      @Austin-cn8vh 2 роки тому +2

      You could. Though as noted in other replies. Might not be as good in some planes. Though I do use it in the F-5E to make tight radius turns on the ground. It actually works quite well for that.

  • @Agent-Strawman
    @Agent-Strawman 2 роки тому +12

    While I love the 15, 16, and 18, there's just something special about the F-14.

  • @mortenBP
    @mortenBP 2 роки тому +53

    Now I am most curious about who in Cruises team came up with this reverse thrust idea.
    And also, is this a trick known to old experienced F14 pilots?

    • @gaurlglmistrz
      @gaurlglmistrz 2 роки тому +28

      It's not a reverse thrrust! There are thrust reversers on airliners, even some fighers, I think Viggen got it. But don'tmistake the two :)

    • @brandonclark435
      @brandonclark435 2 роки тому +1

      It is a trick those pilots know about. Don't remember if it was a video or an article but an old famous Tomcat driver talked about it.

    • @mortenBP
      @mortenBP 2 роки тому +1

      @@gaurlglmistrz
      Whatever dude. you know perfectly well what I meant.

    • @pagman798
      @pagman798 2 роки тому +1

      It was an airline pilot who came with that idea but the whole crew just ignored him.

    • @mortenBP
      @mortenBP 2 роки тому +1

      @@pagman798
      But that detail you came with there made me think of that incident in the late 80ies or early 90ies on a domestic flight of USA where a three engined airliner experienced a massive failure in the hydraulic system after the rudder engine exploded and they could only control the aircraft using the engine thrust from the remaining two under the wings. They actually managed to land the plane like this, though unfortunately a gust of wind flipped the aircraft over during landing and it crashed. But against all odds many still survived.

  • @bigblue6917
    @bigblue6917 2 роки тому +9

    A great manoeuvre but I can see why it is only used by the experienced pilots.

  • @LuisMolero7
    @LuisMolero7 2 роки тому +11

    This is truly incredible in all my years I never imagined that this existed in the F-14, after seeing TopGun I was amazed at this maneuver and was more intrigued to know what more is capable of doing that wonderful aircraft, now just imagine what the F-22 can be able to achieve, since we really do not know for the most part its secrets, if so many years have passed to see that maneuverability of the f-14, just imagine that it will hide the F-22 or other similar aircraft. Simply beautiful

  • @joshmelo1669
    @joshmelo1669 2 роки тому +2

    Old tech can still work its just how you use it and @Growling Sidewinder shows what an aircraft can be capable of. Doesn't mean it will win everytime just the understanding of the aircraft and pilot mistakes.

  • @PabloContrerasFotoviajante
    @PabloContrerasFotoviajante 2 роки тому +1

    roound 2 I was expecting a knife fight from the survivos pilots in ground hahaha

  • @roysimpson6625
    @roysimpson6625 2 роки тому +4

    Now you have to revisit all those epic fights with the f14B looks like the Tom cat has one more trick up her sleeve 🤔

  • @Dan-xo9ly
    @Dan-xo9ly 2 роки тому +3

    Lots of airliner pilots use differential thrust during crosswind landings as well! Not as exciting but a practical application.

    • @303Pinker
      @303Pinker 2 роки тому +1

      Ok, but one can't compare planes with engines under wings to fighter plane. It's like comparing a truck to F1 race car.

  • @ogxbox
    @ogxbox 2 роки тому +4

    The most impressive thing was you went from a saving yourself from a compressor stall to killing the hornet in like 3 seconds.

  • @TheRobeRanger
    @TheRobeRanger 2 роки тому +4

    Don't know if this has already been said, but after you master the split throttle in the A model, you need to have a rematch with the SU-57.

  • @Fox3-Luck
    @Fox3-Luck 2 роки тому +4

    it takes balls to fly the A model like that

  • @iivin4233
    @iivin4233 2 роки тому +2

    It'd be cool to see some videos that show where DCS misrepresents the capabilities of certain planes.

  • @TheMadVulpen
    @TheMadVulpen 2 роки тому +1

    Question Growling Sidewinder, why are you making the cinematic dogfight shots look from so far away. You cant see the interesting part of the battle, honestly i used to like it how in the older videos they would be much closer.

  • @MikeBracewell
    @MikeBracewell 2 роки тому +4

    I wonder would that work with other wide-spaced twins like the Mig 29, Su 27 etc?

  • @ThePretender1
    @ThePretender1 2 роки тому +2

    Last video there was some veteran comments about split throttle being a reality. very nice video, your flying was great and surprised me also!

  • @seanklassen1413
    @seanklassen1413 2 роки тому +3

    Did you guys duke it out on the ground after you ejected from that mid air?

  • @GT4viper
    @GT4viper 2 роки тому +3

    I think part of the Tomcats advantage is it’s range of engagement options compared to other aircraft. Against an F18 you know the pilot wants a one circle, Against a F16 it’s gonna want your tail, but the Tomcat has a deep bag of tricks with the right pilot so your stuck reacting to the f14 instead of planning it ahead like Sidewinder did the last two kills.

  • @discombubulate2256
    @discombubulate2256 2 роки тому +4

    very impressive video.
    i've owned dcs for a while and i've always been amazed that people can start the planes let alone fly them.
    i usually just sit on the runway for a while then uninstall it.

    • @guillefranco31
      @guillefranco31 2 роки тому

      That's hilarious 😂, is it really that hard to play?

  • @dstavs
    @dstavs 2 роки тому +2

    “It’s not the plane. It’s the pilot”
    - Lt. Bradley “Rooster” Bradshaw.

  • @Dusther210
    @Dusther210 2 роки тому +12

    Another fantastic video GS!!
    It’s crazy to think an F14A dominating a super hornet in the one circle…
    I would love to see a rematch against the felon using the split throttle
    Also I would love to see the F14 D model in DCS, just saying

    • @maybesherlock734
      @maybesherlock734 2 роки тому +1

      Believe me m8 ... everybody wants to see f14D in dcs

  • @brandons9398
    @brandons9398 2 роки тому +6

    Awesome flying skills GS! Your vids are always stimulating to watch!

  • @Vanessaira-Retro
    @Vanessaira-Retro 2 роки тому +3

    You had serious fun with this one GS. I can hear it in your voice and tone. You seem genuinely amused.

  • @gregiep
    @gregiep 2 роки тому +2

    Pretty sure round 2 qualifies as a guns kill for the Hornet and an maneuvering kill for the Tomcat.

  • @jasoncrawford4929
    @jasoncrawford4929 2 роки тому +3

    People thinking you're practicing differential thrust to face the Su-57 when you're actually preparing for the boss fight that is the i16

  • @amiralisadat5015
    @amiralisadat5015 2 роки тому +4

    I believe the split thrust works best with the f-14 and some Russian aircraft because the two engines are far apart

    • @303Pinker
      @303Pinker 2 роки тому

      On Mig-29 should be effective cause thrust is directed slightly outside of a plane.

  • @LimoMcG
    @LimoMcG 2 роки тому +4

    Loving seeing the 14 come out on top in these fights. Circumstantial, but it is my fav jet after all 😃

  • @mickeyd.6467
    @mickeyd.6467 2 роки тому +1

    I am curious if it's more a pilot thing than split throttle thing. As you've stated, you have to be a seasoned pilot to use it because it can be dangerous in a dogfight. So maybe in this fight you were just a better pilot and the split throttle gave you even more of an advantage? I'm also curious which real seasoned pilot gave them the idea in the movie. I'm sure the Navy doesn't want just anyone using that maneuver.

  • @brandonsimunac
    @brandonsimunac 2 роки тому +2

    Wasn't going vertical one of the tactics taught by Top Gun for the F-4 and F-14? Using those plane's insane thrust for good. Think they called it The Egg. That in combination with the split thrust really gives the old girl a few new tricks.

  • @connie.shearer5210
    @connie.shearer5210 2 роки тому +2

    Welcome to Fighter Weapons School. Today's lesson Differential Thrust in the F-14A. Not quite super-maneuverable, but definitely an asset. We're learning something new every episode. Great channel!!! Still love your running explanations!

  • @tzeffsmainchannel
    @tzeffsmainchannel 2 роки тому +1

    Okay..just watched the movie. so NOW..I can watch this video...FINALLY! 😋

  • @a.k.7840
    @a.k.7840 2 роки тому +4

    Absolutely beautiful the way you rolled over the top to take his six in round 3 @7:30 !

  • @rangerrick8220
    @rangerrick8220 2 роки тому +1

    Round 2 - "You want some of me?!!! There, have some!!" And takes your wing to the face... to the ground... (DOH!)

  • @StunnafulPhotography
    @StunnafulPhotography 2 роки тому +2

    Imagine the F14 with installed high tech weapons and lighter materials to make it go faster. The F14 Tomcat is underrated in my opinion. Such a well made dope airplane!

    • @303Pinker
      @303Pinker 2 роки тому

      There was a proposal of such upgraded super tomcat but was refused.

  • @IRUKANJI
    @IRUKANJI 2 роки тому +11

    Okay this one was crazy. Now I wanna see this tactic in the B model vs the F-15.

    • @2ZZGE100
      @2ZZGE100 2 роки тому +6

      He already made a video on exactly that

    • @bigblue6917
      @bigblue6917 2 роки тому

      I'm good with crazy

    • @IRUKANJI
      @IRUKANJI 2 роки тому

      @@2ZZGE100 oh boy oh boy. Round two but no compressor stalls let's get some

    • @2ZZGE100
      @2ZZGE100 2 роки тому +1

      @@IRUKANJI Yep. He had one in this F-14A video, but he still managed to win 2 out without a compressor stall.

    • @IRUKANJI
      @IRUKANJI 2 роки тому

      @@2ZZGE100 Yeah but the extra thrust and forgiveness of the GE F110 could really push this technique beyond. This might drive the F-14 to the point that nothing outside of Gen 5 or high off boresight luck shots can beat it.

  • @rickmazumder7584
    @rickmazumder7584 2 роки тому +1

    How well will the F 14 with differential thrust would do against F 22 or SU 57??
    Or against SU 30 SM?

  • @BarneyRubble9999
    @BarneyRubble9999 2 роки тому +1

    On my way home from work this evening, I saw a bunch of black kids rolling around in a pile of leaves. It reminded me of a giant bowl of Raisin Bran.

  • @sevrent2811
    @sevrent2811 2 роки тому +2

    I mean it kinda makes sense. because of how far the engines are separated on the F-14, they're off center with the center of mass. So one engine in AB while the other isn't imparts a torque on the plane to move left or right. This also means that the flankers/Felon can also do this because their engines are also off center.

  • @mellomidareymart3826
    @mellomidareymart3826 2 роки тому +1

    You should use differential thrust in the hornet with the su 57 as the enemy. Just like the top gun.

  • @mikedebell2242
    @mikedebell2242 2 роки тому +1

    I never knew about this but sitting in the cockpit I noticed that there was a lock on the throttles that would keep them together which could be disengaged. Hope they topped you off with hydraulic fluid.

  • @xJAWAx
    @xJAWAx 2 роки тому +2

    I would love to hear about a real account of splitting the throttle. It was so cool when maverick did it.

  • @abigfish1620
    @abigfish1620 2 роки тому +1

    I wonder if there is anything you can do with this to try another matchup against a SU 57, would it make any kind of difference?

  • @PassportBrosBusinessClass
    @PassportBrosBusinessClass 2 роки тому

    THE COBRA MANEUVER is great for air shows but HORRIBLE FOR COMBAT.
    You are presenting the enemy with the largest possible target cross section to shoot at!

  • @Obirascor
    @Obirascor 2 роки тому +1

    I understand the geometry would make it less effective, but can a Hornet use differential thrust as well?

  • @ojanpohja
    @ojanpohja 2 роки тому +1

    F14 is tough bird, takin a Hornet in the ass like a champ, without flinching 😂

  • @xanderguldie
    @xanderguldie 2 роки тому +1

    The guy that thought up the scene apparently knew what he was doing

  • @gcm747
    @gcm747 2 роки тому +1

    I would love to see someone model the Super Tomcat 21 and see what platforms it’s capable of beating.

  • @justinthomas85
    @justinthomas85 2 роки тому +1

    Rumor has it that they are possibly taking the mothballs outta the F14C in storage as we speak...

  • @patrickradcliffe3837
    @patrickradcliffe3837 2 роки тому +2

    Either you're getting better at using differential thrust or it works better in the "A" model

  • @aykh1705
    @aykh1705 2 роки тому +6

    Tomcat fans, I present a question.
    The air intakes of the F-14 are very similar in appearance to those of the F-15 with the big rectangular openings and intake ramps, but I noticed something. On the F-14, the intakes are slightly tilted down on the inside of the intake while the F-15's intakes are perfectly parallel with the ground. Is there any particular reason for this tilt in the F-14's intakes? If so, does it change the aircraft's performance at all? Or is it simply how the plane was designed?

    • @TheNamePi
      @TheNamePi 2 роки тому

      i personally dont know but i would guess its to make room for the phoenix's

    • @andrii9918
      @andrii9918 2 роки тому

      F-15 intakes can also tilt downwards in flight since they are active, BUT only in higher speeds. Slanted intake can help at supersonic speeds, because it slows the airflow down, making it subsonic before it reaches the engine

    • @redl5705
      @redl5705 2 роки тому

      as far as i know the intakes on the F15 adjust to current AOA, while (i think) the f14s intake angle is more of a this angle fits most situations kinda thing

    • @aykh1705
      @aykh1705 2 роки тому +1

      @@andrii9918
      I didn't mean the intake ramp, I meant the entire intake assembly looking crooked when you look at the F-14 from the nose. Is there any reason for that?

    • @andrii9918
      @andrii9918 2 роки тому

      @@aykh1705 Oh, got that. I think they are slanted to make more room for Phoenix missiles. They are a tight fit when put in between the engines. But that's my speculation

  • @Sam16842
    @Sam16842 2 роки тому +1

    Can you try differential thrust on other jets like F/A-18 super or the F-15? Wonder how effective it might be on jets with their engines together, the separated engines on the F-14 makes it easier for the flat spin right?

  • @GolddenWaffles
    @GolddenWaffles 2 роки тому +1

    You should try CAGE SEAM when locking with heatseakers, it’s super effective! Use PAL, VSL lo/hi lock on mode as well! Cool Vid, would like to dogfight you one day haha!

  • @MrDozerdee
    @MrDozerdee 2 роки тому +3

    That was incredible. Can't wait for you guys to start employing this tactic

  • @GPenn09
    @GPenn09 2 роки тому +1

    Need a video with the super hornet using differential thrust as well with a competent pilot.

  • @spicysausage8805
    @spicysausage8805 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome vid, thank you sir! Imagine the other pilot seeing the split-thruster manuever and going "WTF was that?!" like the movie XD

  • @UFO721
    @UFO721 2 роки тому +1

    Now you get to test it against a Su-57 to determine if Maverick really at a chance in hell to survive a dogfight with one.

  • @ladder81capt79
    @ladder81capt79 2 роки тому +1

    I’ve never particularly liked the F/A-18, sure it’s a fine aircraft; but the Tomcat has always been a much cooler aircraft in my opinion. Remember, poor performance was not the reason the Tomcat was retired, it was retired for cost savings

  • @sandipm5267
    @sandipm5267 2 роки тому +1

    Iranian intelligence officer: Hmm, this might be useful.

  • @quinni2685
    @quinni2685 2 роки тому +10

    GS + F-14 = POG
    Change my mind

  • @jerobaal2.0
    @jerobaal2.0 2 роки тому +1

    5:34 in this engagement I learned from maverick that you can use guns, misiles or even the plane to splash a bandit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @RailgunRiot
    @RailgunRiot 2 роки тому +1

    Hey GS, great video! I know this is not related, but maybe a cool idea for a video is the F22 with gun only vs something (like the Viper) with HOBs and a helmet sight? Love your content!

  • @hanzusmc7898
    @hanzusmc7898 2 роки тому +1

    Nice TYVM! Didn’t think the TF30 would do that well, especially only 1 compressor stall.

  • @PassportBrosBusinessClass
    @PassportBrosBusinessClass 2 роки тому

    And this is the reason I’m glad I got the Saitek X56.
    I know a lot of people have the HOTAS Warthog, but I love the X56’s universality for DCS World.

  • @Appletank8
    @Appletank8 2 роки тому +1

    I guess now the question is how many twin engine fighters could do that split throttle trick in an emergency.

  • @RobertNowagarski
    @RobertNowagarski 2 роки тому +1

    In the first engagement I think the compressor stall actually worked to your benefit it seemed he started to over shoot you

  • @thydiuztfs7283
    @thydiuztfs7283 2 роки тому +1

    What did they say in the Film ?? It's Not the Plane . Its the Pilot !! :D

  • @fyfoh
    @fyfoh 2 роки тому +6

    Throttle splitting sounds like something that was kept a secret.

  • @AP-te6mk
    @AP-te6mk 2 роки тому +1

    Glad to see you got this to work. If I ever have the opportunity to speak to my friends pops (the F-14 pilot I was referring to in another video) I'll ask him about his wing degree sweep tricks. He had different manual settings he used based on what he was doing in the aircraft, or if he wanted to trick an adversary into thinking he was slow. Anyway, great video man!

  • @UnexpectedHistory
    @UnexpectedHistory 2 роки тому +1

    I'm curious if the split throttle technique is exclusive to the Tomcat, and if not, how effective would it be with other fighters?

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 2 роки тому +2

      The Tomcat is definitely unique for having its engines so far apart. It could be tried for sure, but they'd probably be less effective the closer the engines are.

  • @Salt0fTheEarth
    @Salt0fTheEarth 2 роки тому +1

    I wonder if you could apply this to other planes with podded engines like the Su-27. The spacing isn't quite as far, but there still might be enough torque generated to make it work

  • @30AndHatingIt
    @30AndHatingIt 2 роки тому

    First F-14 video where I’m seeing a distinct lack of trash talk in the comments. I take it all the Tomcat haters must’ve gotten their fentanyl hit for the day and are currently drooling on the floor and unable to type?

  • @nwanzer
    @nwanzer 2 роки тому +1

    Differential thrust in the F14 seems to be the clue they used to create the 5th Gen fighters. They created a plane that capitalized on the maneuverability tricks of all the previous fighters.

  • @TomP-148
    @TomP-148 2 роки тому

    Tomorrow's video: something top gun related.
    "Can the Su-57 have even more maneuverability by splitting the throttles"

  • @SpectreDusk
    @SpectreDusk 2 роки тому +1

    I always love watching the F-14 dogfights the most because you can really feel the effort that has to go into keeping it in check. And when you get it, it really pays off. Great vid GS!