It is very clear Phillip is very intellectual while his wife has different pursuits. I see no reason why he cant socialize even among his family who share the same interests. He did leave Greece, his home to marry her..
Put aside your speculation about whether a conversation like this would ever take place, and just appreciate the brilliant acting of these two individuals.
Nevermind whether or not it would happen, but this conversation is also happening on a state visit to Russia, I don't know how much they were still bugging in the Yelsin days
its like the Anne Boleyn show. They made her black. She wasnt black IRL and their excuse was simply "who cares?" i like this train of thought. No, really i do. So when are we going to have Nchuti Gatwa as Adolph Hitler? Or Jada Smith as Kristen Gilbert? Or how about a 5ft nothing trans lisping person as Superman? Hey it doesnt matter right because "its just a show, who cares?"
Except that Philip already had a track record of infidelity. This woman wasn't a lifelong friend of the same age, like Porchey was for Elizabeth. She was a much younger woman who spent quite a bit of alone time with Philip. It wasn't even close to the same thing.
Emotional affairs are still affairs. That's why the word "affair" is in the phrase at all. It's a way to utterly betray your partner's trust while still feeling morally superior.
What destroys relationships is false notions. We cannot be all things to one person. What she liked about him was taken away when she became queen. He had no idea how their roles would shift. He found friends where he could be Philip.
@@Brend.0 You are probably correct, sir because I honestly don't think people used that expression back in the 1950s. "Me as your soul mate" hmmm. Nope.
woahhhh... this was a really intense scene😮🍿. not Phillip asking the Queen to be friends w/ (that people back in her time "would be considered the side chick) openly, nii.🤭😂
"Who had the blood on their hands" in the deaths of the Romanovs? Philip is saying (not incorrectly) that it was King George V, who initially offered safe haven in England to them, and then revoked it.
@@chinavaughan6383 It's true. After three years of the bloodbath that was the Great War, George V and the Royal Family as a whole had come under intense scrutiny over their German roots, so much so that George V issued letters patent changing the name of the royal house from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor; by the same letters patent, the Tecks became Cambridges, the Battenbergs became Mountbattens, and the princesses of Schleswig-Holstein (one of whom the divorcee from Prince Aribert of Anhalt) ended up the Princesses of Nowhere.
@@nylotus According to Google, Wrotham Park, Lancaster House, Wilton House, and Moor Park were used to represent Buckingham Palace and other grand buildings.
As much as I hate to side with Phillip here, I have to say I do in this instance. The Queen is asking him to cease making friends who can give him what she hasn't and that's not remotely fair. He's not sleeping around with anyone; he's just spending time with people who share common interests. She has made it a point to make her life empty with no friends and expects everyone else in her family to do the same. If she feels uncomfortable that her husband prefers spending time with people because it makes him happy then she should take a closer look at herself and ask why she isn't one of those people.
He might have said he "felt" Anglican but he definitely had far stronger feelings for Orthodoxy than Anglicanism, his mother Princess Alice had become an orthodox nun just as her aunt did (Philips great Aunt) Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fyodorovna both are buried in the Russian Orthodox Church Maria Magdalene in Jerusalem. Prince Philip and King Charles (who also has an affinity with orthodoxy via his father) donated several hundred thousand pounds to the Mt Athos Serbian monastery which was devastated by fire 20 years ago. Also the orthodox chants at the coronation was a nod to both his father, his grandmother and his own love. I dont think this was far fetched at all, I think Philip loved his orthodoxy and probably wanted to practice it openly but being married to the Supreme Governor of the Church of England made it impossible.
Even if it didn't, Philip and Penny were very close. Google images of them together. She was also one of the few people that was not an immediate relative invited to his funeral.
@@lordalessan This was a very thoughtful and kind invitation from QE. She probably knew they were more than friends. Sad. To have Penny there was very BIG of the queen. It secretly may have broken 💔💔 her heart though. Again, BIG of the queen to extend an invitation to Philip's funeral. I'm guessing as a ( girl ) friend Penny would miss Philip too.
Honestly this storyline just felt like a rehash of series 2. They wrote Prince Philip a bit badly in the Crown. (I don't mean realistically I mean purely for entertainment as a viewer). It was like the only time Philip was front and centre was when he was being hurtful to Elizabeth. After series 2 it was written as if there was going to be a shift in his story. (I say story because even though it's based on reality these Interpretations are characters). Season 3 he had his moments but after that he didn't really do much other than say a few words at the end of each episode. Now they bring him out again only to cause pain to Elizabeth. Philip wasn't a saint but the Crown left out a lot of the good things he did that could have been dramatised.
does she really believe that they are soulmates?? seems like she's kind of stuck her hand in the sand on that one. i would let him have his friendship and happiness, not as if they're losing something
My ex said that he would be more concerned if I had sex with another other than him. Men often cheat just for the sex. Women usually have emotional affairs, and this can lead to a breakup. I said that cheating is why I am leaving
The Queen was being a hypocrite with not wanting Philip being friends with Penny when she was close friends with Porchy for years. Especially as their friendship spread rumors of Porchy being Andrews read dad. Philip should have brought that up.
Being childhood friends with a shared passion for horses is not the same as an emotional affair with a much younger woman who had a history of cheating with older men
@@RavenPendragon14 I think horses weren’t the only thing the Queen and Porchy had in common. It was a very emotional friendship. Can you imagine how that made Philip feel? Pretty lousy I imagine. So I can understand him wanting his own back by having a female companion.
@@RavenPendragon14 In addition to having an emotional friendship, it was a known fact that the Royal Family and firm preferred Porchey over Philip. And setting Philip aside, let's remember that Porchey had a wife putting up with this too.
Imelda Staunton was marvelous at playing the Queen. Her's was the hardest role to play, because we all knew and loved the last Queen. Please remember, this wasn't a documentary -- it was a drama based on real people.
I think because Penny was physically a beautiful younger woman, which stirs jealousy in Elizabeth and potential controversy. I found it satisfying in the next season (The Ritz Episode) when Philip doesn't go to the birthday dinner and Elizabeth tries to make him jealousy that "dependable" Porchey is. Philip is not only unfazed but is more content now that he had Penny.
@@lordalessanPorchy was a handsome young man and Philip had to put up with his wife’s friendship with him. Plus there were already rumors that Porchy was Andrews real dad. So Philip had to put up with that as well. So the Queen was being rather hypocritical.
@@startracker5895 oh absolutely. It also didn’t help that the royal family showed preference to Porchey over him. I just think that Elizabeth had a more fragile ego when it came to Philip, but it’s nice to see her get a taste of her own medicine, not just because of her friendship with Porchey but her inability to support her own family with their soulmates: Margaret and Peter, Charles and Camilla.
Phillip had a very good education and continued learning from everything I have read. The Queen received little or no education according to everything I have read excecpt for her lessons in constutional law. and really from what I have read never had the desire to keep up with modern ideas.
QE supposedly questioned her mother the queen mum, why she didn't enroll her and Margaret in the university of formal education. Maybe QE felt left out. Sad. I think she did keep up with modern times because so often the queen knew about technology and knew about current events and history as well and I think QE may have updated or broken some royal rules in her time...
There’s some historical context here, Mountbatten Phillips uncle and surrogate father made it his life’s work to see Phillip marry Elizabeth. In my opinion he groomed them both, introducing Phillip to her when she was 14 and getting him to flirt with her. They were not a good match at all. She should’ve married Porchey. Sometimes you’ve got to listen to your parents!
Because everyone loves the idea that the only reason a man much too old for a woman only wants her for sex. Everyone loves the idea that people are ruled by their loins. Everyone loves drama and misery. Everyone loves being a victim Everyone wants a conspiracy and will do everything in their power to make one because people *can't* accept people want more then sex
@@private-private The circumstances were different. The Knatchbull's weren't very happy. Norton (Charles' friend and cousin) had run off to his hideaway on an island in the Caribbean with his (rather hot) mistress; promising to leave Penny and to marry her. Meanwhile he had left Penny and the children back in the UK. Meanwhile Penny that taken on the responsibilities of running the estate as well as a (semi) civil service position in the local town. However, their daughter got sick and Norton came back to the UK to see his daughter. *Meanwhile the mistresses* *dumped Norton for a younger/richer guy.* (When Norton didn't return quickly from the UK) Norton's and Penny's daughter didn't recover! She had a long illness with various painful treatments that failed to stop the spread of the cancer (She was a very brave little girl). Porchey (Henry Herbert, Herbert, 7th Earl of Carnarvon) and Elizabeth had grown up together. He and his wife, Jeanie mingled socially with Elizabeth and Philip. She was one of Elizabeth's friends. Both Elizabeth and Philip visited her family in Wyoming USA, when they were on a Canada/US tour. Early in both of their marriages they were busy with their own families. But they still mingled socially with the Carnarvon's (Porchy's 3 kids are about Prince Andrew's age, give or take a year or so) She really didn't get that much into the horses and travel to the USA to see stud farms and elsewhere about the horses until Charles and Anne were teenagers. *Also, Elizabeth as well as Philip were trying* *to do what her father had envisioned for the* *Commonweath;* [1] *in the early part of *her reign* Philip and some of his friends had given up polo because their bodies couldn't take it anymore (Age 50 is about the max age for polo -- frequent falls from the horses). They decided to start competitive carriage driving (It was already a big deal in the Netherlands and the rest of continental Europe) Philip and his friends decided that it they could compete with their continental friends in a sport that the media didn't care about! [Incredibly boring to watch!] ___________________________ 1.) *George VI's plan* was that he and Elizabeth, Queen consort (the Queen Mum) would do the lion's share of the traveling all over the Commonwealth to shore it up. But he got sick and died young. George VI believed that the UK had to help the former colonies resist Communism (because a revolution was easy to start with the help of the old Soviet KGB) by trade deals, education scholarships, etc..
No He's asking her to let him be friends with someone who just happens to be a young woman. No matter what people think of Penny and Philip, you can't accus without *hard* evidence. Just being with someone who happens to be in the same carriage as you isn't hard evidence. Innocent until proven guilty and they were *never* guilty of anything. An emotional connection isn't a crime. An emotional affair is, but a connection? We might as well not be human if we didn't have emotional connections.
For royalty, especially men, that has always been common. Look at Charles II. He had mistresses everywhere and half the aristocracy traces back to his illegitimate children.
The “I’ve had to seek a companion”, pisses me off. The man knew what he was getting into when he married her. He didn’t have to seek anything. Like him, she just wanted a normal life, a loving partner, and children. He acts as if he was the only one who had to give up something. She had to give up herself to become the queen that she was.
@@PhynS-z4r True. They both messed up on that department. Still, why do they make it seem like she was more willing to tolerate his “companions” than he was willing to accept hers. He complained all the time about Porchey. When Phillip made his mistakes, she was like “I can look away” or “Why couldn’t it just be a secretary”.
@@rachelcastillo1742 Because it's nothing but a fictional drama show. As the producers themselves frequently said. It's fictional, not real, not a documentary, not accurate. They didn't chat with the Royal family while writing this, they based it on some historical markers and gossip.
I understand this is fiction, what I’m trying to say is that … Fictional or real, people get married for better or worse. You don’t need to seek a companionship because things are getting too hard. You have to try and work together. Marriage isn’t always perfect which is what made this one so real. The things is you don’t embarrass your partner as a way to cope with why things are so bad at the moment.
Every clip of The Crown that I see, I keep thinking that it didn't really happen like that. It is so hypothetical. Sure there were clearly discussions about these issues never said so directly or as succinctly as this factious tv show.
No, he never did. The problem with people is that they want to believe in the worst. As hard as it is to believe, some people just find it easier to connect with the opposite gender, a different generation or both. People want connection, but often we trick ourselves into believing there's alternative motions to why someone wants a connection. It's like wanting connection for connection's sake is an alien way of thinking to a lot of people.
A lot of people get married without thinking through how their little differences may become very big differences in the future. They don't have the wisdom in their youth to realize that love often is not enough.
I think so too! These two astrological signs are NOT compatible. Very different! It's a shame that Elizabeth didn't meet Lord Porchester when she was 13 and then date him when she was older and eventually marry him! I read a while ago that Porchester was a Capricorn ♑🐐. Taurus ♉🐂 and Cappy get along very well. The Gemini Prince Philip was very happy with Penny who is Aries that is a very good combination! But they would never meet due to the age difference obviously. Yep. I get into this stuff. LoL 🤣 Oh well. Much too late to bring this up though.🎉🎉🎉
Loved this show up until the last two seasons. The casting was dreadful. I hate seeing Imelda Staunton in any role. Pryce also made a terrible Prince Philip. I enjoy him in most roles.
I genuinely love Imelda. Why do you hate her? And why do you think Pryce made a terrible Prince Philip? I'm serious about these two questions and really want to know what you base your opinions on.
Queen "who" Philip "in essence its a group of us...." "Jeffrey Epstein, Prince Andrew, Tom Hanks, Joe Biden, Obama, The Clintons, Rolph Harris, Jimmy Saville. You know, good honest men who all seek companionship"
Emotional affairs can be as painful as physical affairs
@@ayameisastar Unfortunately, probably MORE painful than the physical affairs. Sad but true...
Then put aside selfishness and get involved with your spouse and they with you
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Penis to vagina is the utmost betrayal
It is very clear Phillip is very intellectual while his wife has different pursuits. I see no reason why he cant socialize even among his family who share the same interests.
He did leave Greece, his home to marry her..
Put aside your speculation about whether a conversation like this would ever take place, and just appreciate the brilliant acting of these two individuals.
And the writing
Artistic licence
Nevermind whether or not it would happen, but this conversation is also happening on a state visit to Russia, I don't know how much they were still bugging in the Yelsin days
its like the Anne Boleyn show. They made her black. She wasnt black IRL and their excuse was simply "who cares?"
i like this train of thought. No, really i do. So when are we going to have Nchuti Gatwa as Adolph Hitler? Or Jada Smith as Kristen Gilbert? Or how about a 5ft nothing trans lisping person as Superman? Hey it doesnt matter right because "its just a show, who cares?"
Philip was pretty much asking for approval for a friendship that Elizabeth had with Porchey.
Nope. Penny was his mistress.
@@Ariana-wv4pfdo you have evidence to support your theory?
@@Ariana-wv4pf He was having a true heart to heart with his wife... and made it clear that it was not sexual.. Why would he be lying?
Except that Philip already had a track record of infidelity. This woman wasn't a lifelong friend of the same age, like Porchey was for Elizabeth. She was a much younger woman who spent quite a bit of alone time with Philip. It wasn't even close to the same thing.
@@hutch1197💯. It was emotional and physical.
Emotional affairs are still affairs. That's why the word "affair" is in the phrase at all. It's a way to utterly betray your partner's trust while still feeling morally superior.
Honestly, an emotional affair is just as bad if not worse than a physical one. It completely destroys whatever they have left at this age
What destroys relationships is false notions. We cannot be all things to one person. What she liked about him was taken away when she became queen. He had no idea how their roles would shift. He found friends where he could be Philip.
Late in the relationship to have this discussion! How sad
"me as your soul mate" I feel like the queen would never say that.
Its Netflix sweetheart. Not real life.
Did any of us really know Elizabeth II?
This whole conversation probably never happened. It was unspoken.
Indeed. A monarch by necessary stands alone.
@@Brend.0 You are probably correct, sir because I honestly don't think people used that expression back in the 1950s. "Me as your soul mate" hmmm. Nope.
woahhhh... this was a really intense scene😮🍿. not Phillip asking the Queen to be friends w/ (that people back in her time "would be considered the side chick) openly, nii.🤭😂
He is conveniently forgetting he won The Lottery when he married Princess Elizabeth.
But don't all people the justify affairs do that? "conveniently forget"...and conveniently remember?"
@@EstrellaO-2023 They certainly attempt to justify matters to themselves.
"Who had the blood on their hands" in the deaths of the Romanovs? Philip is saying (not incorrectly) that it was King George V, who initially offered safe haven in England to them, and then revoked it.
King George didn’t want any revolutionary ideas threatening his throne🙁
@@chinavaughan6383 It's true. After three years of the bloodbath that was the Great War, George V and the Royal Family as a whole had come under intense scrutiny over their German roots, so much so that George V issued letters patent changing the name of the royal house from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor; by the same letters patent, the Tecks became Cambridges, the Battenbergs became Mountbattens, and the princesses of Schleswig-Holstein (one of whom the divorcee from Prince Aribert of Anhalt) ended up the Princesses of Nowhere.
I think so.
Philip, you're not helping when you call it "companionship" then follow it up with "there's a group of us".
what an epic bedroom, it's like from a painting
I was wondering if this was actually a set they built, a room at a place already built or if its a green screen. It's spectacular.
well, it is such
right?? don't know if I'd get used to it or just feel oppressed
@@nylotus According to Google, Wrotham Park, Lancaster House, Wilton House, and Moor Park were used to represent Buckingham Palace and other grand buildings.
As much as I hate to side with Phillip here, I have to say I do in this instance. The Queen is asking him to cease making friends who can give him what she hasn't and that's not remotely fair. He's not sleeping around with anyone; he's just spending time with people who share common interests. She has made it a point to make her life empty with no friends and expects everyone else in her family to do the same. If she feels uncomfortable that her husband prefers spending time with people because it makes him happy then she should take a closer look at herself and ask why she isn't one of those people.
Prince Philip was baptized Greek Orthodox but he always said he "felt Anglican." He attended Anglican services prior to marrying QE2.
Yeah, it's a bit far-fetched that he would make a big deal out of that.
He might have said he "felt" Anglican but he definitely had far stronger feelings for Orthodoxy than Anglicanism, his mother Princess Alice had become an orthodox nun just as her aunt did (Philips great Aunt) Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fyodorovna both are buried in the Russian Orthodox Church Maria Magdalene in Jerusalem. Prince Philip and King Charles (who also has an affinity with orthodoxy via his father) donated several hundred thousand pounds to the Mt Athos Serbian monastery which was devastated by fire 20 years ago. Also the orthodox chants at the coronation was a nod to both his father, his grandmother and his own love. I dont think this was far fetched at all, I think Philip loved his orthodoxy and probably wanted to practice it openly but being married to the Supreme Governor of the Church of England made it impossible.
@@ausguy5052 bravo
What a great shame. Time for Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦☦☦☦☦
This broke my heart. I hope in real life this didn’t really happen.
Even if it didn't, Philip and Penny were very close. Google images of them together. She was also one of the few people that was not an immediate relative invited to his funeral.
@@lordalessan This was a very thoughtful and kind invitation from QE. She probably knew they were more than friends. Sad. To have Penny there was very BIG of the queen. It secretly may have broken 💔💔 her heart though. Again, BIG of the queen to extend an invitation to Philip's funeral. I'm guessing as a ( girl ) friend Penny would miss Philip too.
Honestly this storyline just felt like a rehash of series 2. They wrote Prince Philip a bit badly in the Crown. (I don't mean realistically I mean purely for entertainment as a viewer). It was like the only time Philip was front and centre was when he was being hurtful to Elizabeth. After series 2 it was written as if there was going to be a shift in his story. (I say story because even though it's based on reality these Interpretations are characters). Season 3 he had his moments but after that he didn't really do much other than say a few words at the end of each episode. Now they bring him out again only to cause pain to Elizabeth. Philip wasn't a saint but the Crown left out a lot of the good things he did that could have been dramatised.
@sjn7688
Exactly!
>"Philip wasn't a saint but the Crown left out a lot of the good things he did that could have been dramatized."
@@here_we_go_again2571like what?
What good things???
@@Ariana-wv4pfdo some reading
does she really believe that they are soulmates?? seems like she's kind of stuck her hand in the sand on that one. i would let him have his friendship and happiness, not as if they're losing something
My ex said that he would be more concerned if I had sex with another other than him. Men often cheat just for the sex. Women usually have emotional affairs, and this can lead to a breakup.
I said that cheating is why I am leaving
Philip was a penniless Greek Danish Prince and may have involved himself in Profumo Affair. Lonely for Show Girls.
The Queen was being a hypocrite with not wanting Philip being friends with Penny when she was close friends with Porchy for years. Especially as their friendship spread rumors of Porchy being Andrews read dad. Philip should have brought that up.
Being childhood friends with a shared passion for horses is not the same as an emotional affair with a much younger woman who had a history of cheating with older men
@@RavenPendragon14 I think horses weren’t the only thing the Queen and Porchy had in common. It was a very emotional friendship. Can you imagine how that made Philip feel? Pretty lousy I imagine. So I can understand him wanting his own back by having a female companion.
@@RavenPendragon14 In addition to having an emotional friendship, it was a known fact that the Royal Family and firm preferred Porchey over Philip. And setting Philip aside, let's remember that Porchey had a wife putting up with this too.
Imelda Staunton was marvelous at playing the Queen. Her's was the hardest role to play, because we all knew and loved the last Queen. Please remember, this wasn't a documentary -- it was a drama based on real people.
Discussing differences after 50 years of mariage 😂😂😂
Why do you think divorces happen even after length of time in marriage?
well, constant communication is neccessary
He had Penny, she had Poarchey
She had Porchey.... why not him have friendship with an equal of his intellect?
I think because Penny was physically a beautiful younger woman, which stirs jealousy in Elizabeth and potential controversy. I found it satisfying in the next season (The Ritz Episode) when Philip doesn't go to the birthday dinner and Elizabeth tries to make him jealousy that "dependable" Porchey is. Philip is not only unfazed but is more content now that he had Penny.
@@lordalessanPorchy was a handsome young man and Philip had to put up with his wife’s friendship with him. Plus there were already rumors that Porchy was Andrews real dad. So Philip had to put up with that as well. So the Queen was being rather hypocritical.
@@startracker5895 oh absolutely. It also didn’t help that the royal family showed preference to Porchey over him. I just think that Elizabeth had a more fragile ego when it came to Philip, but it’s nice to see her get a taste of her own medicine, not just because of her friendship with Porchey but her inability to support her own family with their soulmates: Margaret and Peter, Charles and Camilla.
@@lordalessan Yes, everyone needs a bestie.. and often that is of the opposite sex. Just no sex involved.
@@ursaltydog I don't know why some people don't understand that.
Phillip had a very good education and continued learning from everything I have read. The Queen received little or no education according to everything I have read excecpt for her lessons in constutional law. and really from what I have read never had the desire to keep up with modern ideas.
QE supposedly questioned her mother the queen mum, why she didn't enroll her and Margaret in the university of formal education. Maybe QE felt left out. Sad. I think she did keep up with modern times because so often the queen knew about technology and knew about current events and history as well and I think QE may have updated or broken some royal rules in her time...
The Queen continued her education as an adult through private tutelage
@@fifilindman Very good for QE !! She really did have her own mind and was keen and I'm sensing very astute.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc prince Philip was ahead of his time with saving the earth with pollution
There’s some historical context here, Mountbatten Phillips uncle and surrogate father made it his life’s work to see Phillip marry Elizabeth. In my opinion he groomed them both, introducing Phillip to her when she was 14 and getting him to flirt with her. They were not a good match at all. She should’ve married Porchey. Sometimes you’ve got to listen to your parents!
if they're 'just friends' why was it apparently all but a secret from her...
Because everyone loves the idea that the only reason a man much too old for a woman only wants her for sex. Everyone loves the idea that people are ruled by their loins. Everyone loves drama and misery. Everyone loves being a victim
Everyone wants a conspiracy and will do everything in their power to make one because people *can't* accept people want more then sex
It was quite hypocritical of Elizabeth to ask Philip to end his friendship with Penny when he had to endure her friendship with Porchey for decades.
Who asks that of his wife?
At least he asked his wife, his wife never asked him to do the same for her with Porchey? Or is that simply how all women roll? I suspect it is.
@@private-private
The circumstances were different.
The Knatchbull's weren't very happy.
Norton (Charles' friend and cousin)
had run off to his hideaway on an
island in the Caribbean with his
(rather hot) mistress; promising to
leave Penny and to marry her.
Meanwhile he had left Penny and the
children back in the UK. Meanwhile
Penny that taken on the responsibilities
of running the estate as well as a
(semi) civil service position in the local
town.
However, their daughter got sick and
Norton came back to the UK to see his
daughter. *Meanwhile the mistresses*
*dumped Norton for a younger/richer guy.*
(When Norton didn't return quickly from
the UK)
Norton's and Penny's daughter didn't recover!
She had a long illness with various painful
treatments that failed to stop the spread
of the cancer (She was a very brave little
girl).
Porchey (Henry Herbert, Herbert, 7th Earl
of Carnarvon) and Elizabeth had grown up
together. He and his wife, Jeanie mingled
socially with Elizabeth and Philip. She was
one of Elizabeth's friends. Both Elizabeth
and Philip visited her family in Wyoming
USA, when they were on a Canada/US
tour.
Early in both of their marriages they were
busy with their own families. But they still
mingled socially with the Carnarvon's
(Porchy's 3 kids are about Prince Andrew's
age, give or take a year or so)
She really didn't get that much into the horses
and travel to the USA to see stud farms and
elsewhere about the horses until Charles and
Anne were teenagers.
*Also, Elizabeth as well as Philip were trying*
*to do what her father had envisioned for the*
*Commonweath;* [1] *in the early part of
*her reign*
Philip and some of his friends had given up
polo because their bodies couldn't take it
anymore (Age 50 is about the max age for
polo -- frequent falls from the horses).
They decided to start competitive carriage
driving (It was already a big deal in the
Netherlands and the rest of continental
Europe) Philip and his friends decided
that it they could compete with their
continental friends in a sport that the
media didn't care about!
[Incredibly boring to watch!]
___________________________
1.) *George VI's plan* was that he and Elizabeth,
Queen consort (the Queen Mum) would do
the lion's share of the traveling all over the
Commonwealth to shore it up. But he got
sick and died young.
George VI believed that the UK had to help
the former colonies resist Communism
(because a revolution was easy to start
with the help of the old Soviet KGB) by
trade deals, education scholarships, etc..
If he were the monarch, this conversation would never be relevant. Kings have acted like he did for centuries and no one bats an eye. Look at Charles.
If he were the monarch, this conversation would never be relevant. Kings have acted like he did for centuries and no one bats an eye. Look at Charles.
Well I suppose he was lonely,but no one realised that.
Im confused is he asking for her permission to cheat?
No, he's asking her to let him have friends that share his interests.
No
He's asking her to let him be friends with someone who just happens to be a young woman.
No matter what people think of Penny and Philip, you can't accus without *hard* evidence. Just being with someone who happens to be in the same carriage as you isn't hard evidence. Innocent until proven guilty and they were *never* guilty of anything.
An emotional connection isn't a crime. An emotional affair is, but a connection? We might as well not be human if we didn't have emotional connections.
So that's where Charles got the audacity to keep a side piece while being married. I knew he didn't lick it off a stone.
Where did diana get the audacity to keep quite a few side pieces?
For royalty, especially men, that has always been common. Look at Charles II. He had mistresses everywhere and half the aristocracy traces back to his illegitimate children.
@@evalynnchristiansen9430 Very well said! LoL 😆.
The apple does not fall far from tree
The arrogance of royalty is well shown here. Elizabeth and now Charles never questioned the fact that their power is born from violence.
Phillip was a good looking, tall thin man
My lotd, what a chisel.
He would go and stay somewhere months at a time
You not daying Queen 11 cheated?
The High Sparrow just can't seem to get along with any Queen.
The “I’ve had to seek a companion”, pisses me off. The man knew what he was getting into when he married her. He didn’t have to seek anything. Like him, she just wanted a normal life, a loving partner, and children. He acts as if he was the only one who had to give up something. She had to give up herself to become the queen that she was.
What about Porchie?
@@PhynS-z4r True. They both messed up on that department. Still, why do they make it seem like she was more willing to tolerate his “companions” than he was willing to accept hers. He complained all the time about Porchey. When Phillip made his mistakes, she was like “I can look away” or “Why couldn’t it just be a secretary”.
@@rachelcastillo1742 Because it's nothing but a fictional drama show. As the producers themselves frequently said. It's fictional, not real, not a documentary, not accurate. They didn't chat with the Royal family while writing this, they based it on some historical markers and gossip.
I understand this is fiction, what I’m trying to say is that … Fictional or real, people get married for better or worse. You don’t need to seek a companionship because things are getting too hard. You have to try and work together. Marriage isn’t always perfect which is what made this one so real. The things is you don’t embarrass your partner as a way to cope with why things are so bad at the moment.
@@rachelcastillo1742 That's a very idealistic and naive perspective. It's nice to view marriage and life as such. Reality is different though.
It’s a tv show
Better yet ' bodily' companionship sir.
Every clip of The Crown that I see, I keep thinking that it didn't really happen like that. It is so hypothetical. Sure there were clearly discussions about these issues never said so directly or as succinctly as this factious tv show.
Exactly
He is his son’s father after all
And the Queen is her son's mother. He had companionship in Penny, she had companionship in Porchie.
Matt Smith is looking different nowadays
I don’t believe prince philip ever cheated or betrayed the queen
No, he never did.
The problem with people is that they want to believe in the worst. As hard as it is to believe, some people just find it easier to connect with the opposite gender, a different generation or both. People want connection, but often we trick ourselves into believing there's alternative motions to why someone wants a connection. It's like wanting connection for connection's sake is an alien way of thinking to a lot of people.
Phil why did you get married to her then? I mean come on now
A lot of people get married without thinking through how their little differences may become very big differences in the future. They don't have the wisdom in their youth to realize that love often is not enough.
@@kentvesser9484 well said
Since we have had multiple scenes of Phillip's discontents, none of this would be news to the Queen.
This is exactly how I imagine a marriage between a Gemini and a Taurus...
I think so too! These two astrological signs are NOT compatible. Very different! It's a shame that Elizabeth didn't meet Lord Porchester when she was 13 and then date him when she was older and eventually marry him! I read a while ago that Porchester was a Capricorn ♑🐐. Taurus ♉🐂 and Cappy get along very well. The Gemini Prince Philip was very happy with Penny who is Aries that is a very good combination! But they would never meet due to the age difference obviously. Yep. I get into this stuff. LoL 🤣 Oh well. Much too late to bring this up though.🎉🎉🎉
Trust me… it is. I’m a Taurus woman and my ex was Gemini man… it was horrendous
WEREN'T THEY COUSINS TOO EWWW😂😂😂
That was horrendous writing
Who knows if this is true or not, but The Crown did not portray Philip in a great light...
It's fictional
Babies
Loved this show up until the last two seasons. The casting was dreadful. I hate seeing Imelda Staunton in any role. Pryce also made a terrible Prince Philip. I enjoy him in most roles.
I genuinely love Imelda. Why do you hate her? And why do you think Pryce made a terrible Prince Philip? I'm serious about these two questions and really want to know what you base your opinions on.
I thought he played Philip brilliantly.
Dench was the wrong choice for Queen
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This scene proves what a weak and insecure man Philip really is
Phillip was a spoiled brat.
Queen "who"
Philip "in essence its a group of us...."
"Jeffrey Epstein, Prince Andrew, Tom Hanks, Joe Biden, Obama, The Clintons, Rolph Harris, Jimmy Saville. You know, good honest men who all seek companionship"
You forgot one! DONALD TRUMP