What an excellent answer. The odd tech problems with the Q&A this time were a bit frustrating, but I think that these sort of second swipes at answers are better - I still feel you are circling around a slightly improved explanation and possibly a breakthrough on how to communicate this concept a bit better. I'm not sure I'm sold on the exaptation here - I feel as though the ability to see through the lens of someone or something else is key to our survival as a species. This could be a primary skill required for survival, allowing us to hunt and catch animals as well as allowing us to cooperate in groups with more fluidity (i.e. evolve our groups) while enabling trade and enabling strangers to join groups with different core structures. I guess my argument here would be that animals have a fixed, or set, group structure, and while there is some variation in say, how animals form their groups, it isn't very great, and they cannot change it quickly while inside said group. So the human ability to change groups, reform them and belong to other groups, all seems part of this participatory knowing ability. Not sure, however, where extended attributes ends (especially if they seem evolutionary relevant) and exaptation begins (or if that matters? hrm.)
Culture as "organisation of distributed cognition" ❤ So.. a culture (mostly tacitly) implies a salience landscape, and offers (and excludes) affordances... A fresh way of appreciating why culture change work that attempts to change procedures is doomed. All that happens is that new prescriptions get absorbed as salient ( or not at all ) within the archaic frame- recapitulated. This is incredibly useful to organisational development and i don't think anyone has really written about it in this way. Snowden writes about heuristics in complexity but this is a different lens. Very damn freaking cool.
Beautifully answered! This was a major synchronicity for me. I also watched the Mars rover documentary and I thought it was magical. Anyway, I'm a newly awakened Shaman and I really love the respect you have for the practice. I have a lot to say so I'll just say that I'm going to do a response video. I want to expand on what you said from my perspective since I have participatory knowledge.
@Aquarius United, This is so cool! I love the sense that we are coming into a new form of awareness as a species and someone like me can intuit something like this question based on John's lecturers, and others like yourself can confirm that this trusted to your experience.
"technology is the god that limps". :) Great!
How Vervaeke only has 18k subs is frickin beyond me
What an excellent answer. The odd tech problems with the Q&A this time were a bit frustrating, but I think that these sort of second swipes at answers are better - I still feel you are circling around a slightly improved explanation and possibly a breakthrough on how to communicate this concept a bit better. I'm not sure I'm sold on the exaptation here - I feel as though the ability to see through the lens of someone or something else is key to our survival as a species. This could be a primary skill required for survival, allowing us to hunt and catch animals as well as allowing us to cooperate in groups with more fluidity (i.e. evolve our groups) while enabling trade and enabling strangers to join groups with different core structures. I guess my argument here would be that animals have a fixed, or set, group structure, and while there is some variation in say, how animals form their groups, it isn't very great, and they cannot change it quickly while inside said group. So the human ability to change groups, reform them and belong to other groups, all seems part of this participatory knowing ability. Not sure, however, where extended attributes ends (especially if they seem evolutionary relevant) and exaptation begins (or if that matters? hrm.)
Glad you took the time to answer this question it cleared things up for me.
If deeper understanding is accessed in states of wonder, it's no surprise that the limping god is scrambling to distract. I wonder, gladly.
Culture as "organisation of distributed cognition" ❤ So.. a culture (mostly tacitly) implies a salience landscape, and offers (and excludes) affordances...
A fresh way of appreciating why culture change work that attempts to change procedures is doomed. All that happens is that new prescriptions get absorbed as salient ( or not at all ) within the archaic frame- recapitulated.
This is incredibly useful to organisational development and i don't think anyone has really written about it in this way. Snowden writes about heuristics in complexity but this is a different lens.
Very damn freaking cool.
Beautifully answered!
This was a major synchronicity for me. I also watched the Mars rover documentary and I thought it was magical.
Anyway, I'm a newly awakened Shaman and I really love the respect you have for the practice. I have a lot to say so I'll just say that I'm going to do a response video. I want to expand on what you said from my perspective since I have participatory knowledge.
@Aquarius United, This is so cool! I love the sense that we are coming into a new form of awareness as a species and someone like me can intuit something like this question based on John's lecturers, and others like yourself can confirm that this trusted to your experience.
there was a whole book written in the 60s about exactly this: The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge (Carlos Casteneda)
thank you, John!
How come I use nearly the same gestures when I talk to my friends about this stuff as well? 😁😁😁
Vervaeke is a martial artist. Do you do Tai Chi as well?
@@davidpartridge8484 I used to do wushu for 3 years in my teenage years. That might be the case!
Well, there you go!
Great talk, sir. Wish I could upgrade my IQ!
A short video full of things to unpack!
Thanks to David for the question and to professor Vervaeke for the answer.
Too bad Lions can't talk in order to prove your point.
Would muscle memory be considered procedural knowing, participatory knowing, or something else?
Procedural knowing is about having skills, knowing how to do things, so I'd say muscle memory is procedural.