This has got to be the best dialogue regarding the Second Coming I’ve ever heard. The Parousia is in fact, an arrival with a consequential presence, outside of carnal time, but within the timelessness of God….. Many thanks Curtis….
Talk about the light bulb coming on. Just this morning I had the light bulb come on with what the Lord was trying to get across to me through circumstances and experiences of a book I was reading, my cousin bringing up what the song was trying to get across to me and a movie I just watched. All these circumstances were speaking to me and I was deaf and dumb until the light bulb came on in my mind and I saw the light of his message. Now here you are explaining to me about this process that God uses to help us to grow and learn and expand. What a blessing to watch you and Jonathan play a part, along with Swedenborg, God's plan for my life here on this earth.
A beautiful testimonial, ready4u! I hope you'll go easy on yourself about feeling "deaf and dumb" -- perhaps Divine Providence's timing is absolutely perfect! Enjoy your new state of illumination, and blessings on your growth!
@@trafficjon400 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. MAtthew 13
@@offTheLeftEye If people are seeking the truth, they have the opportunity. Even without the clouds, a lot depends on where our vision is focused. We get the message in our culture that you must go to a church in order to find the truth of Jesus. The church is often a disappointment, and people confuse the church and Jesus. My experience in high school, coming from a non-religious family, was the confusion of all the various churches in my small town who all called themselves Christians and read from the same Bible. It seemed strange to me that they didn't all go to the same church. Why did they call themselves Baptist, or Methodist, or Assembly of God, or Seventh Day Adventists, etc., and not just "Christian"? I did join one of those churches, but that didn't stop my feeling of confusion. Was Jesus really answering all their prayers without telling them to forget their differences and come together as one? I also joined an on-campus Christian club called Hi-Y, a branch of YMCA. I was elected "chaplain".
Tremendous, that. Keeping an eye out for all that is "word" ... e-minent-ly so, ever summing up the consummate meaning of experience, would be a calling of unique dignity, it would seem. Thanks for this conversation.
@@offTheLeftEye T hese two are so good together they are the bomb, they say things so exactly! yes indeed powerful stuff, sometimes am at lose for words. I really love how Dr Rose gives personal details about Swedenborg, thank you and I love❤️❤️🙏
Swedenborg's is like a pinata, the more you chip away the more goodies you receive after the blindfold comes off. He couldn't get it across to folks of his time. Sounds familiar hmmm. Please keep chipping away. Thank you both, for this new effort, as the world needs this more than ever now.
I seen a girl get hit in the mouth and got all of her teeth knocked out with a metal baseball bat, trying to get the falling candy candy 🍬 from a pinata 😐. This false teaching feels like the same way I felt when I saw that happen.
@@offTheLeftEye I hope you see with both eyes and your heart That Jesus Christ is EVERYTHING! That he is coming back, that Anything is possible for him, he is not bound by earthly limits! He is God!
@@crystallovesion wow sound like a child got hurt sorry to here that. Satan is very strong, but God will always win, we just have to make sure we are doing our part, chipping away at our old self, revealing God's child within us. Keep searching little one. May The Lord Bless and Keep you moving toward The Light.🙏❤☺
Hi Jonathan and Curtis! One of the great mysteries of the Word of God is its infinite capacity to reach people at different levels of understanding who are then inspired to become better people and arise to serve others. This is the underlying foundation of civilization. Swedenborg was certainly one of the most gifted people when it came to seeing the inner meanings of Scripture, but his problem was with the narrow minded Christian leaders who insisted that the literal interpretation was the only true one. Any other understanding, in their view, was of Satan. It reminds me of how some of the Jews called Jesus "Beelzebub" because of His teachings which were not in line with their understanding. One example was the way Jesus understood that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah who was promised to return in the Day of the Lord. That didn't make sense to the Jewish leaders and was a deal breaker in understanding that Jesus was the Messiah. But this is perhaps the only example in the Old Testament of an expected Return of a prophet, and Jesus' understanding was not literal, but metaphorical and spiritual. John was the return of certain spiritual qualities, or mission, of Elijah, but not of the person Elijah. Even John denied that he was Elijah the person. My point is that Swedenborg's understanding that the meaning of the return of Jesus was within us could be true, but not necessarily the only possibility, considering that the Word of God has infinite meanings in my opinion. One of the signs that the reality of Jesus has returned to us as an inner Presence would be that we would be in agreement with each other. My inner Jesus should agree with your inner Jesus. The fact is that we are really complicated beings with egos. The history of Christianity centers around inspired men and women who feel Jesus within them who gather around them a following to share their truth with the world. I've recently learned from scholars that this was also true with the Jews of 2 thousand years ago. It seems to be a human thing. Human beings are born without knowledge, without understanding, without values. We need teachers with lessons tailored to our stages of development, and our first teacher is our mother. And this is true for social groups. Moses brought lessons tailored to Hebrew tribal existence, while Jesus brought lessons tailored to the needs of a wider society, a city-state or empire which included many diverse tribes. We now live in a very different world of nations trying to live together on one planet. Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah came with a Message tailored to our new needs. He claimed to be the return of Christ in the same way that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah. It's the return of a Spiritual Reality rather than the return of an historical figure. Maybe we could equate the Christ Spirit with the Holy Spirit, an eternal Holy Reality that periodically appears in history in the human form like a bolt of spiritual lightning to stimulate human consciousness, to provide a moral compass, to connect people to God, to promote unity and love among men. Jews follow the Old Testament. Christians follow the New Testament, but also see the truth in the Old Testament through the lens of the New Testament. Baha'u'llah's Writings, over 100 books, are for Baha'is like a newer Testament which accepts all previous Testaments. And because the human race will never reach perfection, there will continue to be new Revelations from God through Divine Messengers for as long as humanity exists. Baha'u'llah wrote a lengthy Tablet to the Pope in 1868 explaining Who He was and how the Pope and all Christians should respond. There is no record of the Pope's reaction to that tablet, but the present Pope made an astonishing comparison of religions in Singapore this month very much in line with Baha'u'llah's teachings. Here's a link: ua-cam.com/video/9ciUnpSqiOQ/v-deo.html
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about all this, Harlan. You're a devoted and dedicated thinker, it seems! "My inner Jesus should agree with your inner Jesus" -- striking! And it's fascinating to ponder the idea of a "Christ spirit" showing up -- not the historical Christ, but the same spirit. Much to ponder!
@@offTheLeftEye A good analogy for this concept is to consider God as the Sun, and the rays of the sun as the Christ Spirit, or Holy Spirit. Jesus is like a Perfect Mirror reflecting this Divine Light to humanity. If the Mirror says "I am God", it is the truth because the reflection of the sun, or God, is manifest in that Mirror. If the Mirror says I am just a Mirror reflecting the Light of God, that would also be true. People have argued about the relationship of Jesus and God from the beginning, but I think that pondering this analogy can bring people together. Baha'u'llah took this analogy further by suggesting that this Perfect Mirror has appeared successively over thousands of years. At one time the Mirror was called Jesus, at another time Buddha, at another time Abraham, at another time Moses, at another time Krishna, etc., and for this age Baha'u'llah, which means in English "Glory of God", or "Light of God". Baha in Arabic can be translated either way. This Perfect Mirror has the capacity to reflect the intensity of the Light to suit the human soul so that it is not blinded. So the Light from all these Mirrors is the same Light, but the intensity varies from age to age.
How do you recommend someone get started down this path? Is it best to just dive into the bible and trust your intuition? Start with Secrets of Heaven? Or maybe bible + correspondence dictionary?
People are so different, Ross, that it's hard to recommend one singular approach. Looks like you have some good ideas. You could try one, and then if that doesn't spark you, try another. Maybe starting with the first volume of Secrets of Heaven would give you a kind of foundation for the idea of it all. That said, I think God speaks individually to the heart of each individual reading the Bible, no matter what their knowledge base is. Hope you have an intriguing and enlightening exploration!
Crystal, clear thank you both and team. If I may inject the 21st-century equivalent to the bible and swedenborg it is Raymond Moody and Making sense of nonsense which is bringing the christ consciousness (another way of saying God's understanding) to every soul on the planet. I have not had the chance to speak with Raymond yet, but I am trying to reach him. The game is afoot as a famous author once wrote. The next move is yours brothers and sisters ❤️🙏RW
@offTheLeftEye it is curious given its actual properties. I have heard he considers it to be his most important work to date. I would say given the times we are living in and the recommendation I am giving as a reader. The author, as far as I know, is not saying anything about it. His most important work. That is because, as the alleged author (it's really god for those who know), he can not make the claims that I am making. People would think him egotistical or mad. Given these facts, I would say this should be the next book anyone reads. LAW. RW
Moody is such a sweet soul! And I agree that his first book "Life After Life" was like a Holy Book in that it provided such wonderful evidence that life continues after the body dies, that God is not vengeful, that love awaits us in eternity.
@@offTheLeftEye Sorry, psalms, a 104 verse 3. Making The clouds his chariots. Walking upon the wind of the spirit. Both words. Are spirit. Isaiah 66 + 15. The Lord will come with his chariots. That's his angels and rebuke with flames of fire. We know what flames of fire means public workers. Or ministers. I don't think you'll see this beautiful truth. The day of the Lord is cloudy and Dark and gloomy, because the truth is coming.
@offTheLeftEye Daniel 7 verse 13. He's coming with the clouds. Angels. Revelation 1 verse 7. Coming with clouds and every eye will see him. It's impossible, it's Has to be. something else's angels and then we'll see him. Messengers the word of God. Angels. Mark 14 verse 62. You'll see the Son of men.sitting on the right hand of the power and coming in.( True translation with. Songs 3 3 2 6.) The clouds of heaven angels. Bible interprets itself.
@@offTheLeftEye So think about it, every eye will see him and he's coming with the clouds. It doesn't make sense. So When you read the Old Testament, which says the day of the Lord is coming, it's always gloomy cloudy but never actually saying killing people. The word. Of God will do that. I believe the great salvation is Psa. Lms a 110 verse 1. The Rod.of your strength will come out Zion heaven. And? these are the angels. Verse, 2 to rule in the midst of the enemies. That 's where Hebrews 1 verse 14 comes in. Look at it closely, but you probably won't say. Until he comes.
Fruit Corinthians 4 verse 5. He will call us everything out of darkness. It's obvious The angels for teachers. Second, TH ESS 1 + 8. Angels in a flaming fire. That's the salvation.
@@offTheLeftEye Doesn't make sense to me. It makes sense to the Bible. In the flaming fire is a good thing. See Hebrews, 1 for 6. It's a prophecy. In verse 7, the angels are public workers in flame of fire. Strong stictionary. The end of the prophecy. Hebrews, 2 verse. 5. If you can figure out the secret it's in code it's beautiful, it's love of God and a flaming fire Ministers or public workers Is the proper word.
@offTheLeftEye I'm.series in the truth and what makes sense logic not imagination or nonsense? No. W when it comes to interpreting revelation, it helps you a little bit. Like revelation chapter 9, they look as or like locusts. They are Holy. angels coming to preach to us. But we look at it ,,,as satan or demons. Because we read everything negative. The word fire means God's word. Coming out of the mouth.
Clouds block the sunlight. On a cloudy day we still know that the sun is shining, but we can't see it. In the spiritual sense, clouds are anything that comes between you and the Light of God, like prejudice and ignorance. So we could say that Jesus appeared in the clouds 2,000 years ago, the ignorance, superstitions and prejudices of the people of that time.
Jesus traveled from village to village when he was here to be seen and heard . so why not on the second coming just appear on tv to be seen and heard in our time ? dont get me wrong I love Jesus
It is a wonder, Nicholas. Since I can't know the future of how it's all going to play out, I try to focus on just keeping those Two Great Commandments every day, and let God work out the details of how He's going to come to the heart of each individual.
Dear Brothers: Why not keep it simple by just saying Christ Consciousness in me and you as spiritual clouds within. The Greek word Christianos Makes it clear we each are little anointed ones with our Father's Divine consciousness. Christ = Anointed and Tian = Little Which literally means a little Christ with Christ Consciousness. The Bibles say's we Have the Mind = Soul and Spirit of Jesus The Anointed one. If that is the case what does that make each Anointed Child of God? Answer= a Child Jesus Christ. The mystery of the Bible is Christ Jesus In You the hope of Divine Glory. Could that be why Jesus quoted what was written in Psalms that You Are little Child Gods with Divine Consciousness.
@@offTheLeftEye Yes but the point is so is every saint which makes them A Little Christ as well. You and I are little Jesus Christ's with Christ consciousness as the proof. Jesus Christ is not someone coming in the future he is already in us is the point being made. Read 1st John 4:1-6 as proof and if you do notice the present tent word IS 9 times to make the point.
The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, though it begins with very little influence, as it grows it takes root in the hearts of those who believe in the blessing of it’s branches, it will eventually grow larger than any tree in the Earth. influencing many hearts on the face of the earth, towards a vision of peace The tree of life grows in the heart of those Who truly follow the words of Jesus Because his words are the will of God. The tree of life is a true treaty of peace written on the hearts of men
Hi immortalblue -- In one place, he says that *The Lord* is the tree of life, the goods of charity are the fruits, and faith the leaves - so it's a symbolic thing. In another place he expands on that: "'I will give to eat from the tree of life" symbolizes an assimilation of the goodness of love and charity from the Lord. "In the Word, to eat means, symbolically, to assimilate, and the tree of life symbolizes the Lord in respect to the goodness of love. Thus eating of the tree of life symbolizes an assimilation of the goodness of love from the Lord. "To eat means, symbolically, to assimilate because as natural food, when eaten, is assimilated into the life of a person's body, so spiritual food, when received, is assimilated into the life of his soul." He also reports seeing "a tree of life" in the center of one of the glorious gardens in heaven. Does any of that resonate with you?
He Dr says why would Jesus appear to only 8 billion people at that time who lived, well Jesus appeared in the flesh 2000 years ago in one small country to how many people then? If he appeared today it would be recorded for the world to see and be passed down on video and internet for generations to come. 2000 years ago there was no tv , internet cell phones. why wouldnt he take advantage of this so his image would be seen for ever on this earth?
Great question, Nicholas. I've just been watching the tv series about Jesus and his disciples, and I was struck (again) by how many times he told the people he healed, "Keep it to yourself." It was interesting to ponder why he wanted to do his miracles NOT on the big stage. According to Swedenborg, God's highest priority is the spiritual freedom for all his children to choose their own spiritual path, and not to compel them in any way. Those thoughts come to mind when I'm thinking of video images all over the internet....
The Theme of the OT and NT Both is: Obey Gods Commandments and Live. Disobey Gods Commandments and your sins will do you in. Jesus told the Pharisees to Stop teaching for Doctrine the commandments of men 😊❤
@@offTheLeftEye Yes! Thank You 🙏 Jesus..For Forgiveness and Repentance! Without it..we would be Toast! But we need to know what those commandments are. The only way I knew what I was doing!
It will be his THIRD COMMING, WHAT DONT PEOPLE GET, 1ST COMMING BY THE VIRGIN MARY 2ND COMMING WAS HIS RESURRECTION FROM DEATH JESUS ASCENSION BACK TO GLORY ITS HID 3RD COMMING 😮😮😢
He was born once, killed, came back a second time. he can do it a third time. I wish he would we need him in the physical body to stand before us and show us who he is. like he did to far less people 2000 years ago this world is going to hell an we need him here in the body like they did then. Not this non sense about read into the words on a page. Why were those people 2000 years ago so special that they got to see him hear him , touch him , eat with him, shelter him , but we get nothing but words on a page ??
I hear you Nicholas about wanting more than words. It sounds like the widow I visited this week whose husband died last year. She has memories, and photos, but she wants more. It is hard to wait to be with him again. All of us can feel this way about God, and our longing to be with Him. I think we are gifted glimpses, like when we sense His glory in nature, or the touch of someone we love, or the magnificence of music, or the stillness of dawn. God is more than words on a page, though I am grateful to have them too. We need to use all of our senses. In Matthew 25 Jesus said that when we feed the least of these, or give them shelter, or visit them when they are sick we are doing those things for Him. So I think we do get to touch, and feed, and visit Him in this life.
This has got to be the best dialogue regarding the Second Coming I’ve ever heard. The Parousia is in fact, an arrival with a consequential presence, outside of carnal time, but within the timelessness of God…..
Many thanks Curtis….
Glad to know it resonates so well with you, Daniel. I do believe the entire conversation (from which this clip was taken) is airing tonight....
@@offTheLeftEyeyes sir, I am going to listen to it on my lunch break today…
@@DanielOrfield Spiritual and natural food make a great combo.
Indeed!
This is timely for me. The two of you explain things so simply!! "I want to die on that hill." What a grand way to express sincerity!
Love what you guys been doing.
So glad it's feeling meaningful for you, Tom!
I feel the same way Swedenborg did when it comes to spreading the truth about the inner meaning of the word. All truth in general, really.
So you have a passion for sharing the truth, Mr Seansmith!
Curtis, you're such a blessing to so many.
Much Love 🙏🏻💕
Thanks so much, Tina! Love to you, too!
It is our Blessing and Privilege to bring heaven to earth.
Indeed, TatiYes. May more and more of us choose to attempt it!
exhale....so beautiful! heart full.
Blessings to your full heart, Stephanie!
Oh my goodness! The pennys are starting to drop 🙏🏻❤️
Thank you for your long suffering
Not sure what you mean by pennies dropping, Fiona.
@@offTheLeftEye when someone suddenly understands or realises something 🙌🌺
Ok that makes sense, Fiona. Thank you for explaining.
Talk about the light bulb coming on. Just this morning I had the light bulb come on with what the Lord was trying to get across to me through circumstances and experiences of a book I was reading, my cousin bringing up what the song was trying to get across to me and a movie I just watched. All these circumstances were speaking to me and I was deaf and dumb until the light bulb came on in my mind and I saw the light of his message. Now here you are explaining to me about this process that God uses to help us to grow and learn and expand. What a blessing to watch you and Jonathan play a part, along with Swedenborg, God's plan for my life here on this earth.
A beautiful testimonial, ready4u! I hope you'll go easy on yourself about feeling "deaf and dumb" -- perhaps Divine Providence's timing is absolutely perfect! Enjoy your new state of illumination, and blessings on your growth!
This resonates with me and knew in my spirit and heart that this is true. Love and blessings & miss you all🤍🕊️🪽
So glad your spirit recognized these ideas as telling the truth, Pamelyn. Love and blessings to you, too. Hope you are well!
People think they know but honestly do not keeps us Hypocrits. Jesus never locked a damned thing.
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Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. MAtthew 13
@@offTheLeftEye uncountable things people don't understand whether they believe or not is irrelavent.
@@trafficjon400 "Lord, I believe, Help my unbelief." Thank you for being in the conversation trafficjon.
I would add on this by saying that, his first coming actually revealed how his second coming will be. Thank you guys for the insights.
"He has ears to hear," Jayden, eh? Cool that you're so clear about that.
Jesus came in the clouds of prejudices, superstitions and ignorance.
@@harlanlang6556 And when those influences are pushed aside we see the true image of Jesus?
@@offTheLeftEye If people are seeking the truth, they have the opportunity. Even without the clouds, a lot depends on where our vision is focused. We get the message in our culture that you must go to a church in order to find the truth of Jesus. The church is often a disappointment, and people confuse the church and Jesus. My experience in high school, coming from a non-religious family, was the confusion of all the various churches in my small town who all called themselves Christians and read from the same Bible. It seemed strange to me that they didn't all go to the same church. Why did they call themselves Baptist, or Methodist, or Assembly of God, or Seventh Day Adventists, etc., and not just "Christian"? I did join one of those churches, but that didn't stop my feeling of confusion. Was Jesus really answering all their prayers without telling them to forget their differences and come together as one? I also joined an on-campus Christian club called Hi-Y, a branch of YMCA. I was elected "chaplain".
This is a beautiful short picture of a wonderful belief system.
Nice response, DrCHE! Thanks for such a succinct and affirming comment.
Fascinating and wonderful ❤
For sure, Jon. I love the way they talk about it!
One must read the Bible in a spiritual way, which brings clarity and understanding...🤍🕊️🪽
That's the goal, Pamelyn!
man continues to spoil and alert frustrations taken out of context. besides Jesus never locked anything or unlocked for he was all ways open.
@@trafficjon400 He is the open door, yes Trafficjon.
Beautiful.
Glad you felt touched by the conversation, Darby!
Tremendous, that. Keeping an eye out for all that is "word" ... e-minent-ly so, ever summing up the consummate meaning of experience, would be a calling of unique dignity, it would seem. Thanks for this conversation.
You're welcome, Ehsan! So glad you found it meaningful!
Excellent!🙌🕊️❤️❤️🙏
Powerful stuff -- right, Chinonye?
@@offTheLeftEye T hese two are so good together they are the bomb, they say things so exactly! yes indeed powerful stuff, sometimes am at lose for words. I really love how Dr Rose gives personal details about Swedenborg, thank you and I love❤️❤️🙏
@@Chinonye-sj5it1mt5w They are a great pair, yes, and I love how they bring humor into it all as well.
Swedenborg's is like a pinata, the more you chip away the more goodies you receive after the blindfold comes off. He couldn't get it across to folks of his time. Sounds familiar hmmm. Please keep chipping away. Thank you both, for this new effort, as the world needs this more than ever now.
I love this comparison, bibletruthsareforyou! I am sharing your comment with the whole team. Let's keep chipping away!
I seen a girl get hit in the mouth and got all of her teeth knocked out with a metal baseball bat, trying to get the falling candy candy 🍬 from a pinata 😐. This false teaching feels like the same way I felt when I saw that happen.
@@crystallovesion That is such a terrible memory. I am sad it happened. We wish you well on your spiritual journey.
@@offTheLeftEye I hope you see with both eyes and your heart That Jesus Christ is EVERYTHING! That he is coming back, that Anything is possible for him, he is not bound by earthly limits! He is God!
@@crystallovesion wow sound like a child got hurt sorry to here that. Satan is very strong, but God will always win, we just have to make sure we are doing our part, chipping away at our old self, revealing God's child within us. Keep searching little one. May The Lord Bless and Keep you moving toward The Light.🙏❤☺
Hi Jonathan and Curtis! One of the great mysteries of the Word of God is its infinite capacity to reach people at different levels of understanding who are then inspired to become better people and arise to serve others. This is the underlying foundation of civilization. Swedenborg was certainly one of the most gifted people when it came to seeing the inner meanings of Scripture, but his problem was with the narrow minded Christian leaders who insisted that the literal interpretation was the only true one. Any other understanding, in their view, was of Satan. It reminds me of how some of the Jews called Jesus "Beelzebub" because of His teachings which were not in line with their understanding.
One example was the way Jesus understood that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah who was promised to return in the Day of the Lord. That didn't make sense to the Jewish leaders and was a deal breaker in understanding that Jesus was the Messiah. But this is perhaps the only example in the Old Testament of an expected Return of a prophet, and Jesus' understanding was not literal, but metaphorical and spiritual. John was the return of certain spiritual qualities, or mission, of Elijah, but not of the person Elijah. Even John denied that he was Elijah the person.
My point is that Swedenborg's understanding that the meaning of the return of Jesus was within us could be true, but not necessarily the only possibility, considering that the Word of God has infinite meanings in my opinion. One of the signs that the reality of Jesus has returned to us as an inner Presence would be that we would be in agreement with each other. My inner Jesus should agree with your inner Jesus. The fact is that we are really complicated beings with egos. The history of Christianity centers around inspired men and women who feel Jesus within them who gather around them a following to share their truth with the world. I've recently learned from scholars that this was also true with the Jews of 2 thousand years ago. It seems to be a human thing.
Human beings are born without knowledge, without understanding, without values. We need teachers with lessons tailored to our stages of development, and our first teacher is our mother. And this is true for social groups. Moses brought lessons tailored to Hebrew tribal existence, while Jesus brought lessons tailored to the needs of a wider society, a city-state or empire which included many diverse tribes. We now live in a very different world of nations trying to live together on one planet. Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah came with a Message tailored to our new needs. He claimed to be the return of Christ in the same way that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah. It's the return of a Spiritual Reality rather than the return of an historical figure. Maybe we could equate the Christ Spirit with the Holy Spirit, an eternal Holy Reality that periodically appears in history in the human form like a bolt of spiritual lightning to stimulate human consciousness, to provide a moral compass, to connect people to God, to promote unity and love among men. Jews follow the Old Testament. Christians follow the New Testament, but also see the truth in the Old Testament through the lens of the New Testament. Baha'u'llah's Writings, over 100 books, are for Baha'is like a newer Testament which accepts all previous Testaments. And because the human race will never reach perfection, there will continue to be new Revelations from God through Divine Messengers for as long as humanity exists.
Baha'u'llah wrote a lengthy Tablet to the Pope in 1868 explaining Who He was and how the Pope and all Christians should respond. There is no record of the Pope's reaction to that tablet, but the present Pope made an astonishing comparison of religions in Singapore this month very much in line with Baha'u'llah's teachings. Here's a link:
ua-cam.com/video/9ciUnpSqiOQ/v-deo.html
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about all this, Harlan. You're a devoted and dedicated thinker, it seems! "My inner Jesus should agree with your inner Jesus" -- striking! And it's fascinating to ponder the idea of a "Christ spirit" showing up -- not the historical Christ, but the same spirit. Much to ponder!
I just watched the video, Harlan. Swedenborg had a very similar riff!
@@offTheLeftEye A good analogy for this concept is to consider God as the Sun, and the rays of the sun as the Christ Spirit, or Holy Spirit. Jesus is like a Perfect Mirror reflecting this Divine Light to humanity. If the Mirror says "I am God", it is the truth because the reflection of the sun, or God, is manifest in that Mirror. If the Mirror says I am just a Mirror reflecting the Light of God, that would also be true. People have argued about the relationship of Jesus and God from the beginning, but I think that pondering this analogy can bring people together.
Baha'u'llah took this analogy further by suggesting that this Perfect Mirror has appeared successively over thousands of years. At one time the Mirror was called Jesus, at another time Buddha, at another time Abraham, at another time Moses, at another time Krishna, etc., and for this age Baha'u'llah, which means in English "Glory of God", or "Light of God". Baha in Arabic can be translated either way. This Perfect Mirror has the capacity to reflect the intensity of the Light to suit the human soul so that it is not blinded. So the Light from all these Mirrors is the same Light, but the intensity varies from age to age.
Jesus is coming in the flesh!
I guess we'll all see, eventually, crystal!
How do you recommend someone get started down this path? Is it best to just dive into the bible and trust your intuition? Start with Secrets of Heaven? Or maybe bible + correspondence dictionary?
People are so different, Ross, that it's hard to recommend one singular approach. Looks like you have some good ideas. You could try one, and then if that doesn't spark you, try another. Maybe starting with the first volume of Secrets of Heaven would give you a kind of foundation for the idea of it all. That said, I think God speaks individually to the heart of each individual reading the Bible, no matter what their knowledge base is. Hope you have an intriguing and enlightening exploration!
@@thegodpill9696 Thanks for your perspective, thegodpill.
Crystal, clear thank you both and team. If I may inject the 21st-century equivalent to the bible and swedenborg it is Raymond Moody and Making sense of nonsense which is bringing the christ consciousness (another way of saying God's understanding) to every soul on the planet. I have not had the chance to speak with Raymond yet, but I am trying to reach him. The game is afoot as a famous author once wrote. The next move is yours brothers and sisters ❤️🙏RW
I heard Moody speak once about the nonsense idea, but I haven't read that book. On my list!
@offTheLeftEye it is curious given its actual properties. I have heard he considers it to be his most important work to date. I would say given the times we are living in and the recommendation I am giving as a reader. The author, as far as I know, is not saying anything about it. His most important work. That is because, as the alleged author (it's really god for those who know), he can not make the claims that I am making. People would think him egotistical or mad. Given these facts, I would say this should be the next book anyone reads. LAW. RW
@@hemispheres500 Thanks for the book review, hemispheres! I appreciate knowing why you valued it.
Moody is such a sweet soul! And I agree that his first book "Life After Life" was like a Holy Book in that it provided such wonderful evidence that life continues after the body dies, that God is not vengeful, that love awaits us in eternity.
@@harlanlang6556 That book had a huge impact for many people, Harlan. One more person sharing the message of God's love and the miracle of eternity.
It says with the clouds he's coming. Psalms a 103 verse 3. He makes his clouds Chariots Isaiah 66 + 15.
I'm not seeing this idea in Psalms 103:3, Critic.
The fiery chariots are a powerful image.
@@offTheLeftEye Sorry, psalms, a 104 verse 3. Making The clouds his chariots. Walking upon the wind of the spirit. Both words.
Are spirit. Isaiah 66 + 15. The Lord will come with his chariots. That's his angels and rebuke with flames of fire. We know what flames of fire means public workers. Or ministers. I don't think you'll see this beautiful truth. The day of the Lord is cloudy and Dark and gloomy, because the truth is coming.
@offTheLeftEye Daniel 7 verse 13. He's coming with the clouds. Angels. Revelation 1 verse 7. Coming with clouds and every eye will see him. It's impossible, it's Has to be. something else's angels and then we'll see him. Messengers the word of God. Angels. Mark 14 verse 62. You'll see the Son of men.sitting on the right hand of the power and coming in.( True translation with.
Songs 3 3 2 6.) The clouds of heaven angels. Bible interprets itself.
@@Critic-qn3hg Thank you for your interpretation of these passages Critic. His truth shall reign for ages of ages.
@@offTheLeftEye So think about it, every eye will see him and he's coming with the clouds. It doesn't make sense. So
When you read the Old Testament, which says the day of the Lord is coming, it's always gloomy cloudy but never actually saying killing people. The word.
Of God will do that. I believe the great salvation is Psa.
Lms a 110 verse 1. The Rod.of your strength will come out Zion heaven. And? these are the angels. Verse, 2 to rule in the midst of the enemies. That
's where Hebrews 1 verse 14 comes in. Look at it closely, but you probably won't say. Until he comes.
Fruit Corinthians 4 verse 5. He will call us everything out of darkness. It's obvious The angels for teachers. Second, TH ESS 1 + 8. Angels in a flaming fire. That's the salvation.
Thanks for sharing what makes sense to you, Critic.
@@offTheLeftEye Doesn't make sense to me. It makes sense to the Bible. In the flaming fire is a good thing. See Hebrews, 1 for 6. It's a prophecy. In verse 7, the angels are public workers in flame of fire. Strong stictionary. The end of the prophecy. Hebrews, 2 verse.
5. If you can figure out the secret it's in code it's beautiful, it's love of God and a flaming fire Ministers or public workers Is the proper word.
@@Critic-qn3hg It sounds like you are a serious student of scripture, Critic.
@offTheLeftEye I'm.series in the truth and what makes sense logic not imagination or nonsense? No.
W when it comes to interpreting revelation, it helps you a little bit. Like revelation chapter 9, they look as or like locusts. They are Holy. angels coming to preach to us. But we look at it ,,,as satan or demons. Because we read everything negative. The word fire means God's word. Coming out of the mouth.
Clouds block the sunlight. On a cloudy day we still know that the sun is shining, but we can't see it. In the spiritual sense, clouds are anything that comes between you and the Light of God, like prejudice and ignorance. So we could say that Jesus appeared in the clouds 2,000 years ago, the ignorance, superstitions and prejudices of the people of that time.
Nice, Harlan!
Jesus traveled from village to village when he was here to be seen and heard . so why not on the second coming just appear on tv to be seen and heard in our time ? dont get me wrong I love Jesus
It is a wonder, Nicholas. Since I can't know the future of how it's all going to play out, I try to focus on just keeping those Two Great Commandments every day, and let God work out the details of how He's going to come to the heart of each individual.
Dear Brothers: Why not keep it simple by just saying Christ Consciousness in me and you as spiritual clouds within. The Greek word Christianos Makes it clear we each are little anointed ones with our Father's Divine consciousness. Christ = Anointed and Tian = Little Which literally means a little Christ with Christ Consciousness. The Bibles say's we Have the Mind = Soul and Spirit of Jesus The Anointed one. If that is the case what does that make each Anointed Child of God? Answer= a Child Jesus Christ. The mystery of the Bible is Christ Jesus In You the hope of Divine Glory. Could that be why Jesus quoted what was written in Psalms that You Are little Child Gods with Divine Consciousness.
Yes Jesus is the Anointed one, James.
@@offTheLeftEye Yes but the point is so is every saint which makes them A Little Christ as well. You and I are little Jesus Christ's with Christ consciousness as the proof. Jesus Christ is not someone coming in the future he is already in us is the point being made. Read 1st John 4:1-6 as proof and if you do notice the present tent word IS 9 times to make the point.
He is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End the First and the Last, yes James.
hmm, This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven" is Acts 1:11.
That's what that verse says, ThyNam3less. What kind of meaning does that have to you?
@@offTheLeftEye acts 1:11 is one of many verses that debunks preterism.
I can prove who the reincarnation of Christ is today!
Intriguing statement, kostailijev.
We're waiting.
@@thegodpill9696 May you bring more love and wisdom to this hurting world, thegodpill.
Does Swedenborg say where rhe tree of life is now?
The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, though it begins with very little influence,
as it grows it takes root in the hearts of those who believe in the blessing of it’s branches,
it will eventually grow larger than any tree in the Earth.
influencing many hearts on the face of the earth, towards a vision of peace
The tree of life grows in the heart of those
Who truly follow the words of Jesus
Because his words are the will of God.
The tree of life is a true treaty of peace written on the hearts of men
Hi immortalblue -- In one place, he says that *The Lord* is the tree of life, the goods of charity are the fruits, and faith the leaves - so it's a symbolic thing.
In another place he expands on that:
"'I will give to eat from the tree of life" symbolizes an assimilation of the goodness of love and charity from the Lord.
"In the Word, to eat means, symbolically, to assimilate, and the tree of life symbolizes the Lord in respect to the goodness of love. Thus eating of the tree of life symbolizes an assimilation of the goodness of love from the Lord.
"To eat means, symbolically, to assimilate because as natural food, when eaten, is assimilated into the life of a person's body, so spiritual food, when received, is assimilated into the life of his soul."
He also reports seeing "a tree of life" in the center of one of the glorious gardens in heaven.
Does any of that resonate with you?
He Dr says why would Jesus appear to only 8 billion people at that time who lived, well Jesus appeared in the flesh 2000 years ago in one small country to how many people then? If he appeared today it would be recorded for the world to see and be passed down on video and internet for generations to come. 2000 years ago there was no tv , internet cell phones. why wouldnt he take advantage of this so his image would be seen for ever on this earth?
Great question, Nicholas. I've just been watching the tv series about Jesus and his disciples, and I was struck (again) by how many times he told the people he healed, "Keep it to yourself." It was interesting to ponder why he wanted to do his miracles NOT on the big stage. According to Swedenborg, God's highest priority is the spiritual freedom for all his children to choose their own spiritual path, and not to compel them in any way. Those thoughts come to mind when I'm thinking of video images all over the internet....
The Theme of the OT and NT Both is: Obey Gods Commandments and Live. Disobey Gods Commandments and your sins will do you in. Jesus told the Pharisees to Stop teaching for Doctrine the commandments of men 😊❤
Choose Life, right, Kathleen? And repentance is always a way back when we have lost our way.
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Yes! Thank You 🙏 Jesus..For Forgiveness and Repentance! Without it..we would be Toast! But we need to know what those commandments are. The only way I knew what I was doing!
@@kathleenwharton2139 God's commandments lead us to real freedom, Kathleen. We sure would be toast without it!
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So Agee! You are the man! God Bless You!
It will be his THIRD COMMING, WHAT DONT PEOPLE GET, 1ST COMMING BY THE VIRGIN MARY 2ND COMMING WAS HIS RESURRECTION FROM DEATH JESUS ASCENSION BACK TO GLORY ITS HID 3RD COMMING 😮😮😢
Jesus never had it locked. stop making up your own denomination.
We like to help people who get confused by the bible, Traffic.
He was born once, killed, came back a second time. he can do it a third time. I wish he would we need him in the physical body to stand before us and show us who he is. like he did to far less people 2000 years ago this world is going to hell an we need him here in the body like they did then. Not this non sense about read into the words on a page. Why were those people 2000 years ago so special that they got to see him hear him , touch him , eat with him, shelter him , but we get nothing but words on a page ??
I hear you Nicholas about wanting more than words. It sounds like the widow I visited this week whose husband died last year. She has memories, and photos, but she wants more. It is hard to wait to be with him again. All of us can feel this way about God, and our longing to be with Him. I think we are gifted glimpses, like when we sense His glory in nature, or the touch of someone we love, or the magnificence of music, or the stillness of dawn. God is more than words on a page, though I am grateful to have them too. We need to use all of our senses. In Matthew 25 Jesus said that when we feed the least of these, or give them shelter, or visit them when they are sick we are doing those things for Him. So I think we do get to touch, and feed, and visit Him in this life.
Beautiful
We're happy it struck you that way, Jennifer. Pretty powerful!