Fuel won't atomize when you spray it against a wall, you're going to get uneven burning and especially if the air speed doesn't atomize all the fuel for you. You would have to build out directly from the port on the manifold with both injectors as close to perpendicular without any obstruction between the nozzle and the manifold. Like a "\/" while trying to keep the fuel as centered as you can while you dial in what angle and how the plug will face, and you know what I'm saying. I just got to the part where you guys put in on an engine while writing the comment, hah. Didn't think the engine would idle, just being honest, but it sounded like it was feeding fuel in drops rather than spraying it into a fine mist. We all need a little more injector...
Lots of other guys will love his invention Too. ps it is Brents idea the invention will be down to many. I'm really excited to see this idea come into reality. Sorry now I'm going to shout. DONT WASTE YOUR TIME LOOKING FOR MONEY. INSTEAD LOOK FOR PROBLEMS. THEN FIND SOLUTIONS. GET IT RIGHT AND THE MONEY WILL NO LONGER MATTER. PURE FREEDOM👍🏻
Game changer!!!!!! So just an idea from a car guy and your swoosh talk. A maybe idea would be to take that drawing snd 3d print a clear set just for injextor test stand so you can see how it is actually acting inside that tube. Granted can't be for car use but I will make it possible to see the flow of the fuel.
I was thinking the same thing make a clear set like the original so they can see where the problem is and make a set with the wall I really think they are on to something it just needs some fine timing
You guys didn't fail at all with this. Every design goes through revision from gained knowledge, and you guys gained knowledge from your testing. Now you have a spare set of tops, and I'm interested to see how the revised bottoms do.
@MILANOKIS. Is that it lol. Watch this space .You just witnessed one man's idea being born. The idea will now mature . Problems have been found and ideas for solutions are already on the table . Also the community and others that view the channel will bring a massive amount of brains to the table . Do you have any ideas ?
The wall to separate them is a great idea. I would also suggest stippling the inside with texture somehow to retain the atomization and keep it broken up. Just a thought that ran thru my head thinking about Phong and how he stippled the old hot rod to improve flow. Super rad idea! You didn't fail, you just found one of the ways that doesn't work.
Stippling works good in the main airflow. Any surface the fuel hits will cause it to de atomise .. This is where the ideas are needed . Ps just look how efficient direct injection is. The reason is the fuel is mixed so much better with the air . .
Atomization was my first concern, too. Love this innovation, we need it! With the advancements in CNC and 3D printing, this is such a cool concept. Keep up the good work.
Not a fail one bit boy's its part and parcel of the trial and error stage on innovation. Just a wee thought on one aspect........ make the bottom Y adaptor have an atomizer spray nozzle built in to the end giving you the spray pattern, flow and atomization you want. so basically making the 2 injectors in the Y adaptor 1 big injector if you get what i mean......love this idea keep up the good work guys✌️🏴
Maybe if you could angle the injectors in a Y shape so the 2 are pointing straighter into the intake might help too. I would think even the smooth bends might cause a sorta flow of fuel instead of a mist. Keep tryin i love the idea!! Cant wait too see the next step
I would offset the "y" fitting and center the primary injector over the port. You could also use an extended tip ev14 style injector to help with the injector tip depth.
Keep upi the good work guys, hopefully you guys can sort this out and make it available for us, ALSO THESE GUYS WITH THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS THEY NEED TO GROW UP😡, WELL DONE GUYS, keep up thr content 🎉
Heat guys!! Great video! Love theses brain storming ideas and test &tunes! Awesome 💪🏼 So, the bottom tip has a “spray” pattern to it normally, right…? Now the bottom piece is added, the spray is gone or interrupted. How can you create that spray pattern now with the new piece. Instead of just a big hole for the fuel to go through. make the end tip create a spray pattern. Then your dialed! 💪🏼🔥🔥🔥🙏🏻❤️😂😎🦅💨
Cool concept, R & D is how it all starts, now you have had a test n trial, few more tweaks and the k swapped twin injector setup is going to be a huge game changer, when you have Steve designing combined with the wealth of knowledge between you Brent and Shane the skies the limit, what a start to 2025 guys, FARK YEAH!!!, Happi New Year from Gisborne, New Zealand
Great concept! Getting the injectors spraying straight into the hole will probably help maintain atomization better, so try changing the injector angle. Maybe you can turn the adaptor into an injector nozzle itself to reatomize the fuel... Then the injectors could stay parallel.
That's what makes an idea great! All about the journey! Not the destination!! ❤ Been a PFI and Boosted boiz fan since the beginning! Thanks to Kyle's channel would have never discovered Brents work! Brent obviously supported Kyle before he statred u tube and look where that led him! And the other side im sure now Kyle has inspired Brent! What a powerful group of people learning , sharing, and supporting eachother! The world needs more of this kindness! Theres always gonna be haters. Unfortunately the haters want to watch the world burn and dont want good people to succeed because of evil or whatever it may be. Thats why its hard to be so positive. Always gonna be outnumbered. What u guys have is so Rad and Awesome! Never turn off that becon of light in this crazy world full of darkness!❤
Damn, lets go Steven. Cool to see he's proficient with Fusion 360. The kids gonna branch off into PMI (Parts Maker International) if he keeps this up 😂 I was thinking when I 1st saw the prototype the injectors might need to be angled to spray directly at the hole in the manifold, that would require a custom fuel rail to suit however. Think that would go a long way keeping stuff atomized. Just a thought if you can make this initial design work. Keep at it guys.
What fuel are you using? What about angled adapters so both injectors spray into the outlet without splashing. Instead of side by side maybe one infront of the other angled, Would help atomisation then also.
Be cool to see the injectors angle to with a tighter Y at the bottom that angles them into the manifold and slightly run into each other. It would decrease top height and create a heart style pattern where the 2 bottom shoot into each other and straighten the flow down. 🤙
provides better fuel control across a wider RPM range, especially at low loads and idle, while still allowing for high power delivery when needed, thanks to the ability to precisely control the fuel delivery with multiple injectors staged at different points depending on engine
So. Ive been thinking. You should make the bottom one a much smaller path to the outlet of the adapter. Almost like the twin hole toyota injectors if you have seen them before. Then the transient throttle stuff wont be such a lag for it to get out. Like make two 3mm holes to the tips of the injectors and dont go from Tiny injector tip, To large orifice then back down to the small tip. Just go Tiny injector tip, 3mm tube from tip, To one side of the outlet of the adapter. What Jamie said with a wall is a good idea. But remove all that area and ability for it to go anywhere else.
Great 1st iteration of a prototype. I do have some concerns about such a fine tip so close to the intake port. If the tip broke, it might cause some carnage. Have you thought about offsetting the primary injector further forward than the secondary, instead of parallel? You would have to make an offset top section to compensate, but it might shroud the primary injector enough to clean up the low end tip in. Then the secondary injector is just sending in more over the top, if that makes sense? Love that you guys are sharing this with the world, PFI Speed all the way!
Great idea i think a wall and some fettling and this will work . A lot of fuel mind so would using higher rail pressure so it exits the injector faster not asist in atomising ?.
you could make the injectors angled cuz the top doesnt care as long as it has pressure make the top piece wider so the top of the injectors are further apart thus projecting the spray pattern more towards the bottom then you could run the long tipped injectors and get them even closer to the intake runner so the vacuum effect works better
Can you get some kinda nozzle on the end of the adapter to help spray pattern? Instead of a wall can each tube of the adapter just be a tube instead of a open Y
On the test it seemed like it was dumping out not spraying to me gotta get that spray so it's breaking up the gas don't worry you'll get it right fam still a game changer LET'S GOOOOOO YEE 👊
Fuel won't atomize when you spray it against a wall, you're going to get uneven burning and especially if the air speed doesn't atomize all the fuel for you. You would have to build out directly from the port on the manifold with both injectors as close to perpendicular without any obstruction between the nozzle and the manifold. Like a "\/" while trying to keep the fuel as centered as you can while you dial in what angle and how the plug will face, and you know what I'm saying. I just got to the part where you guys put in on an engine while writing the comment, hah. Didn't think the engine would idle, just being honest, but it sounded like it was feeding fuel in drops rather than spraying it into a fine mist. We all need a little more injector...
You can see exactly what your talking about when they do the injector test.
Was thinking same . Not getting spray pattern it needs.thats why you weld extra bung on manifold for scnd injector.
This sounds pretty solid
Might work for a engine not going in to trafic?
Nailed it
This is how it all starts. I am curious how this all pans out because this could definitely be a huge game changer for so many people. Nice work guys
Steven is bringing thoughts to reality!... Let's Go!
Love the innovation, boys! Once yall figure this out, it's going to be a total game changer!
This won't work unfortunately in this current design.
Stevo is a man on a mission! Y’all are going to get it figured out and slowly change the game! #isHegoingfor30under30
Steven your gonna figure that out brother!!! You're gonna be rich!!!!! Honda guys are gonna love your invention!!!
Lots of other guys will love his invention Too. ps it is Brents idea the invention will be down to many. I'm really excited to see this idea come into reality. Sorry now I'm going to shout. DONT WASTE YOUR TIME LOOKING FOR MONEY. INSTEAD LOOK FOR PROBLEMS. THEN FIND SOLUTIONS. GET IT RIGHT AND THE MONEY WILL NO LONGER MATTER. PURE FREEDOM👍🏻
im so so thankful that I get to be around and watch all these ideas come to life such a rad rad thing!!!
Game changer!!!!!! So just an idea from a car guy and your swoosh talk. A maybe idea would be to take that drawing snd 3d print a clear set just for injextor test stand so you can see how it is actually acting inside that tube. Granted can't be for car use but I will make it possible to see the flow of the fuel.
Do a couple renditions with a divider...that eventually turns into a nozzle 😂
I was thinking the same thing make a clear set like the original so they can see where the problem is and make a set with the wall I really think they are on to something it just needs some fine timing
You guys didn't fail at all with this. Every design goes through revision from gained knowledge, and you guys gained knowledge from your testing. Now you have a spare set of tops, and I'm interested to see how the revised bottoms do.
This
The kid is really smart.
Thats what I love about you guys, yall do the science!
You better patten those adapters!!!
Great effort to guys love the passion you guys have for this stuff
Heck yeah SteveO! Making shit happen dawg!
This is exciting. Its gonna change the game for a lot of people. Its a clean isntall too. Good job.
Brent has the best ideas! Even if they don't work!
@MILANOKIS. Is that it lol. Watch this space .You just witnessed one man's idea being born. The idea will now mature . Problems have been found and ideas for solutions are already on the table . Also the community and others that view the channel will bring a massive amount of brains to the table . Do you have any ideas ?
@IANHANDS Why you had to write a whole story? I literally said he has the best ideas. Wasn't hating smh
You guys have the hard part done making the idea alive ...great job!!
It all starts with a idea awesome job guys
Now that is a rad idea!
Literally my most favorite chanel.No pressure bro!
2025 gonna be a huge year for Brent and the team at PFI! I can feel it!
The wall would make big difference for the flow, can wait for the next iteration!
Well done Stephen! A chip off the old block! 👌🏻👌🏻
Some hot roding going on in that garage for sure!🦅🇺🇸🦅
The wall to separate them is a great idea. I would also suggest stippling the inside with texture somehow to retain the atomization and keep it broken up. Just a thought that ran thru my head thinking about Phong and how he stippled the old hot rod to improve flow. Super rad idea! You didn't fail, you just found one of the ways that doesn't work.
such a great idea!💡
Stippling works good in the main airflow. Any surface the fuel hits will cause it to de atomise .. This is where the ideas are needed . Ps just look how efficient direct injection is. The reason is the fuel is mixed so much better with the air . .
Gotta love 3D printed metal! 🤘
Agreed the bottom squirt side needs partitioning for each squirter to direct the fuel flow and potentially help keep the spray pattern.
I don't comment munch on things but THIS IS AMAZING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING! GENIOUS!
Proud dad moments are the best ones 😊
Brent, Jamie, and boys, y'all rock! Peace 🤘 🍻 💨
No fail. Just stage 1.
Looking forward to stage 2
Atomization was my first concern, too. Love this innovation, we need it! With the advancements in CNC and 3D printing, this is such a cool concept. Keep up the good work.
Awesome to see goofy using some CAD/CAM to develop brents long time dream! I think yall are onto some true innovation keep it up!
Love to see this let’s gooooo! Best team PFI KILLING IT!! Stevo doing killer work!!
Science for The Win, Let's Gooooo 👽💨👍🏻
Out here with the HornPub titles.
Does that mean you could get 4x injectors in a double injector intake ? Muhahaha. Love from New Zealand my bro. Amazing cool nifty setup. Cool mind.
🤔 Brent... maybe you just need a few cuts on final intake.... like a gun barrel 👊🤔 give a swirl on final intake
I ❤ Lily 😂 shop pets are the best 👌 awesome you guys are brainstorming on ideas to keep getting faster, let's gooooo 🔥
Sweet idea 👍 hopefully it will work with that revision cant wait to find out, another awesome one pfi much love to the whole crew
Not a fail one bit boy's its part and parcel of the trial and error stage on innovation.
Just a wee thought on one aspect........ make the bottom Y adaptor have an atomizer spray nozzle built in to the end giving you the spray pattern, flow and atomization you want. so basically making the 2 injectors in the Y adaptor 1 big injector if you get what i mean......love this idea keep up the good work guys✌️🏴
Let’s go, Brent and Stephen oh my God I can’t wait to see what it does on the Dino
Oh that's nasty! -Cleveland 😂
Whoa, that title though! 😅😂
😂😂😂😂
2injectors forced into 1 😂😂😂.... Call it the DP InjectorAdapter 😂😂... i said it First!!!!!!
Your guys kick ass... This is so awesome and its gonna help out the community a lot
This is good stuff PFI.
Real hot rod shit, that's so sick!
That’s fu kin rad!!! You’re onto something Stevo!
Maybe if you could angle the injectors in a Y shape so the 2 are pointing straighter into the intake might help too. I would think even the smooth bends might cause a sorta flow of fuel instead of a mist. Keep tryin i love the idea!! Cant wait too see the next step
Spray pattern is very important for efficiency hitting the backside of the valve atomizing and the pulsing is fighting each other
Exactly what I was thinking
Only on part throttle and drivabilty, WOT you could have a hose. These aren't made for driving around town
I would offset the "y" fitting and center the primary injector over the port. You could also use an extended tip ev14 style injector to help with the injector tip depth.
Feel like both sets need to be armed at all times so it flows properly
This is TRUE Hot Rodding. Got a wild idea? Lets try it!! Amazing work! amazing idea! Great prototype!
Double stuffed it!
😂
Those are sick!!! I wish we had that back in the day for neons
Awesome innovation fellers .
Just remember, you didn't fail. You learned. That's what I tell my kids when I'm coaching, if you're not winning then at least be learning.
Keep upi the good work guys, hopefully you guys can sort this out and make it available for us, ALSO THESE GUYS WITH THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS THEY NEED TO GROW UP😡, WELL DONE GUYS, keep up thr content 🎉
All the bros and double the holes!
Knowing is half the battle, Gi Joe!
Heat guys!! Great video! Love theses brain storming ideas and test &tunes! Awesome 💪🏼
So, the bottom tip has a “spray” pattern to it normally, right…?
Now the bottom piece is added, the spray is gone or interrupted.
How can you create that spray pattern now with the new piece.
Instead of just a big hole for the fuel to go through.
make the end tip create a spray pattern. Then your dialed!
💪🏼🔥🔥🔥🙏🏻❤️😂😎🦅💨
get it Brent!!!
Try batch fire.
Id imagine itll help with tip in.
Nor a bad idea
Your gonna figure it out and that going to be A game changer
Always pioneering the industry! Keep it Rad, guys. This is pretty interesting 🤔…
Cool concept, R & D is how it all starts, now you have had a test n trial, few more tweaks and the k swapped twin injector setup is going to be a huge game changer, when you have Steve designing combined with the wealth of knowledge between you Brent and Shane the skies the limit, what a start to 2025 guys, FARK YEAH!!!, Happi New Year from Gisborne, New Zealand
Cheers from down the road hope your testing goes well & prove out the idea. The cat sure digs it!
My suggestion would be talk to someone who knows fluid dynamics.
Great concept!
Getting the injectors spraying straight into the hole will probably help maintain atomization better, so try changing the injector angle.
Maybe you can turn the adaptor into an injector nozzle itself to reatomize the fuel... Then the injectors could stay parallel.
Thanks for the quality vids my two cents is to make the dividing wall a corkscrew
Beard looks great
Make the adapters in a v configuration and add another fuel rail for the second set of injectors so they spray directly into the hole
Just an idea
Amazing design. I was thinking the samething about the divider right before it was said.
Pretty neat. Might not be as efficient as 2 separate ports, but way better than running out of fuel.
That's cool. Like the extensions for ls truck injectors to use in ls 1 intake but for two injectors
Intro 🔥🔥🤷🏼♂️💯
That's what makes an idea great! All about the journey! Not the destination!! ❤
Been a PFI and Boosted boiz fan since the beginning! Thanks to Kyle's channel would have never discovered Brents work! Brent obviously supported Kyle before he statred u tube and look where that led him!
And the other side im sure now Kyle has inspired Brent! What a powerful group of people learning , sharing, and supporting eachother! The world needs more of this kindness!
Theres always gonna be haters. Unfortunately the haters want to watch the world burn and dont want good people to succeed because of evil or whatever it may be. Thats why its hard to be so positive. Always gonna be outnumbered.
What u guys have is so Rad and Awesome! Never turn off that becon of light in this crazy world full of darkness!❤
Damn, lets go Steven. Cool to see he's proficient with Fusion 360. The kids gonna branch off into PMI (Parts Maker International) if he keeps this up 😂
I was thinking when I 1st saw the prototype the injectors might need to be angled to spray directly at the hole in the manifold, that would require a custom fuel rail to suit however. Think that would go a long way keeping stuff atomized. Just a thought if you can make this initial design work. Keep at it guys.
I need a set of those as well
What fuel are you using? What about angled adapters so both injectors spray into the outlet without splashing. Instead of side by side maybe one infront of the other angled, Would help atomisation then also.
😂😂😂😂 2 injectors, 1 cup.😂😂😂😂😂
Be cool to see the injectors angle to with a tighter Y at the bottom that angles them into the manifold and slightly run into each other. It would decrease top height and create a heart style pattern where the 2 bottom shoot into each other and straighten the flow down. 🤙
It took Thomas Edison 2,774 attempts before he got the light bulb right.... Keep it up boys! You got this!!👍
DRAG N DRIVE BABY YEAH!
Take my money now! Saves me buying a 8 injector rail and lower plenum or running another rail under manifold lines etc
Badass. Love it.
Indeed, get a program to test flow. 👊
provides better fuel control across a wider RPM range, especially at low loads and idle, while still allowing for high power delivery when needed, thanks to the ability to precisely control the fuel delivery with multiple injectors staged at different points depending on engine
I need 8 of them for my ss
I HOPE U SEE THIS. FUSION 360 HAS A PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN TEST THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE FLOW COMPARED TO STOCK VERSIONS.
YOU GUYS ARE GENIUSES!
I tuned this one number for number on calibration looks really good dude yeah we’ll go see them in court over what it can really do now
dam steven getting into cad ? 😎
Woo lets goo
Two holes are better than one 😂
So. Ive been thinking. You should make the bottom one a much smaller path to the outlet of the adapter. Almost like the twin hole toyota injectors if you have seen them before. Then the transient throttle stuff wont be such a lag for it to get out. Like make two 3mm holes to the tips of the injectors and dont go from Tiny injector tip, To large orifice then back down to the small tip. Just go Tiny injector tip, 3mm tube from tip, To one side of the outlet of the adapter. What Jamie said with a wall is a good idea. But remove all that area and ability for it to go anywhere else.
Great 1st iteration of a prototype. I do have some concerns about such a fine tip so close to the intake port. If the tip broke, it might cause some carnage.
Have you thought about offsetting the primary injector further forward than the secondary, instead of parallel? You would have to make an offset top section to compensate, but it might shroud the primary injector enough to clean up the low end tip in. Then the secondary injector is just sending in more over the top, if that makes sense?
Love that you guys are sharing this with the world, PFI Speed all the way!
Great idea i think a wall and some fettling and this will work . A lot of fuel mind so would using higher rail pressure so it exits the injector faster not asist in atomising ?.
you could make the injectors angled cuz the top doesnt care as long as it has pressure make the top piece wider so the top of the injectors are further apart thus projecting the spray pattern more towards the bottom then you could run the long tipped injectors and get them even closer to the intake runner so the vacuum effect works better
Can you get some kinda nozzle on the end of the adapter to help spray pattern? Instead of a wall can each tube of the adapter just be a tube instead of a open Y
On the test it seemed like it was dumping out not spraying to me gotta get that spray so it's breaking up the gas don't worry you'll get it right fam still a game changer LET'S GOOOOOO YEE 👊