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EVALUATING THE SOUTH BEND SHAPER Tips
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- This video is part 2 of a multi-part video series on restoring this SB shaper.
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I’d really encourage you to do a series on the shaper restoration. I’ve picked up a lot of general machining knowledge as well as tips and tricks watching restoration videos as one never knows what unique challenges will be revealed during the course of a restoration. While I’m at it, I want to thank you for the many videos you’ve posted, they’ve been very helpful in advancing the state of my knowledge. I’m in the process of building a small workshop and am going to to purchase a lathe, a mill and a band saw, maybe a small shaper, so nearly everything you post is quite helpful to me. I especially am grateful for your emphasis on shop safety, we will never know for sure, but you will probably be responsible for me keeping my fingers well attached to my body and my eyes still working as God intended them to.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I’m glad you like the videos. And I do like to work safely
mrpete222 yes, please show us the restoration process. I know very little about shapers and I’m looking forward to it😊
Mr. Pete,
I would be very interested in seeing everything that you are doing on the South Bend Shaper...
Take care
Paul,,
I would be fascinated by a series on restoring the shaper and promise to watch every video all the way through.
I am already about 50% done with painting it
I would love to see a series on this shaper. I have the same South Bend 7" shaper as the one you just acquired, and in similar overall condition. I think is was originally sold to the Navy. Very interested in the progress of this restoration.
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Hi Mr Pete. I’m always interested in learning about old machinery and the in-depth repairs you’re about to make. You’re explanations of why you got this machine over others is food for thought
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Mr Pete, please, please keep this series going. I love shapers but I don't have enough room in my tiny workshop for anything bigger than the small Adept hand operated shapers. Watching you restore this one will be absolute magic 👍👍👍 I was so sorry to see you send off your 3 small stationary engines that I did a little tribute video on my channel. I will not be at all surprised if another one doesn't mysteriously appear in your shop sometime in the future 😉 Cheers, Alan.
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30 years ago I bought a truck load of machinery and scraped the paint off it with scrapers made from files and the like.
About 5 years ago I started using a pneumatic needle chipping hammer. What took me days then literally I can accomplish in an hour. Especially good for castings.
Chuck
Seeing all the disposable tools being made these days, it does my heart good to see you rescuing a well used piece of manufacturing history by restoring tools like this. I look forward to seeing whatever videos you choose to produce during this restoration.
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I think a restoration series and a how to use series would be awesome. In the last ten years, partly because of your videos, My shop has grown to having a 9” south bend lathe ,a heavy 10, a 7” south bend shaper , 10” south bend grinder, two south bend drill presses , and a Bridgeport mill. I can use all of them because of you! You are the best! Thanks for all you do.
1800 views in the first two hours..I hope that merits further videos on this shaper. There will always be another gas engine to come along here in the midwest..I'm glad that old machine found a good home with you. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
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I would love to see an instructional series on the South Bend shaper. I've never had a lathe, milling machine, or shaper or used any of them, so I could benefit from a short video describing the three and what functions they each have, and their place in metalworking. What does each machine do, that the other two can't, etc? Can a milling machine do everything that a hobbyist might need or want to do, compared to the capabilities of a shaper? I will have all three machines, but only for hobby-type projects, not commercial. Anybody who knows you and Adam know that neither of you copy the other, that's just ridiculous. Keep up the great work!
Go for it Mr. Pete, we love seeing you collect it as much as you love it!!!
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I did some lathe, mill and welding work yesterday making repairs to my Farmall M. My lathe success is directly attributal to the instruction I get from you and Adam Booth. I commented to my wife that my hours of watching your videos is paying off. I passed on a midsize shaper recently because I had no shop space. The new shop probability is becoming a believable reality. My wife is even pushing to build before winter!
Thank you very much for this comment. I’m glad you like my videos. Sounds like you have a great wife
I like to watch your videos. You ain't copying Abom79. You have your own distinguished style. If I was still living in IL, I would probably be visiting you. It is always a pleasure to talk with someone who like machines and apperciate them. Thumbs way up Mr. Pete. 💜
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I'm not sure why, but I genuinely smile when I hear you say things like "I'm not gonna stop, I'm gonna keep buying till I drop and I hope I drop in a place like this".
Glad to hear you've found your groove again Mr. Pete!
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Mr Pete, I would also love to see a series on this shaper. Love learning about old machinery and how to make repairs. I’ve picked up a lot of general machining knowledge for you. keep the videos coming. Thank you.
Lyle, I hope you continue this video series. I'd like to see you disassemble it, make repairs, reassemble, and use it. Even if you don't re-scrape mating surfaces, I bet you can get it working almost like new. I'm interested in seeing what challenges you might run into, working alone, while getting it back into working condition. And I'd like to see how _you_ overcome those challenges!
I'd love for you to continue the videos on the restoration of the Shaper. This is intriguing and we always learn lots as you go through what you may think are "simple" tasks.
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Take that cover down to Lowe’s and have it color matched and paint it with that! It’s really easy!
South Bend gray paint formula i.postimg.cc/vBv676hZ/south-bend-paint-forumla.jpg
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@@2dividedby3equals666 Please share the link with anyone who might be interested. Kinda hard to come by info.
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I dont know what it is about shapers, but have always loved watching them work, and I find the sound of one very relaxing. BTW, love watching both you and Abom , don't sweat the critics
I would find a shaper series extremely useful. i have an Atlas 7B, also a former school machine. I'm sure much of the south bend shaper knowledge would translate well for use on the Atlas. Many of these shapers are finding a second life, in part thanks to channels like yours. Thanks Mr. Pete
Looking forward to the progress of your newly acquired shaper 😊
I'm enjoying this series Lyle it is, for me, a watcher without a workshop, a good foundation to work from and confidence to give it a go
Without people like you, Adam, Keith Rucker, Keith Fenner, being so generous and video cataloging all about the old machines and tips and tricks that a lifetime of experience has given you
It would be lost
So please continue on this "Spa treatment" on the old shaper
Tony from Western Australia.
awesome! I have the mk1 SB 7" shaper in mint condition. It is a joy to use, although with a mill in my shop, it doesn't get used as much. The finish that a shaper puts out is impossible to do on a mill. I'm glad to see that shapers are making a comeback, so to speak.
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Brought back 1958 Shop Class memories learning how to setup a job with proper feed and clapper box orientation. Mr York's kept his Industrial Arts shop equipment in top shape.
Two years later I used those principals to machine a table top 11 x 17 surface plate from a blank of steel using a 12 foot planer in a vocational night school course. To large to move the planer had set dormate many years, I had to relace and degrease the belts, clean and lubricate the gear train before hitting the start button.
The yellow knobs are novel replacements but black restores the OEM look. I am guessing a South Bend lathe produced their existence from vintage Tenite plastic screwdriver handles, Tenite has long been replaced with modern alloy grades of plastic.
You and Abom79 are not competitors, enjoy the learning content from both individual channels.
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All of us Shop teachers would order tenite To make screwdrivers. It was available in every industrial arts catalog
Well I enjoyed it and I certainly would like to see more, Thank you for staying with us Lyle.
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Throws my vote in favor of a series on this shaper. Thanks Mr. Pete
I’d be interested in a “How to ...” video series on the shaper. I already have your South Bend lathe and Bridgeport videos and they’re great.
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Looks like a great restoration project. Looking forward to future videos. Glad you saved it from the scrap man. I have a working Atlas 7B shaper and a ‘need to be restored’ Ohio 16” shaper that I was told came out of a hundred year old machine shop. Stay healthy.
Hats off to you Mr Pete! I came across your channel a couple years ago and 50 years now in the machinist trade your teaching me things I don't know. At my part time machinist job I am teaching young people the basics of lathe and mill. I tell them to watch your channel above all others which they do. In my garage I have lathes and mills along with a cute little broadhead garret shaper. Was very lucky to have metal shop classes when I was in high school.
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Thank you for a nice comment and for watching my videos. I’m glad you like them.
Absolutely brilliant, takes me back 48 years to when I last used a shaper.
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Please video the rebuild of the shaper! I think the rest of us that are subscribed would love it! The shaper course would be awesome too! If I had you as a shop teacher my career path would have been much different! Am I the only only that finds these machines beautiful? Keep up the awesome and beautiful work you do Mr. Pete!
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Lyle, keep them coming!! We want to watch the series on your new old South Bend seven inch shaper!
Your going over all of the wear and damage to this shaper is priceless for those who want to buy one in the future. Excellent video.
I would like to see the restoration of this mechine. Thank you for saving it. I now have my Atlas 12" lethe and love it. Have completed several projects using the Atlas.
I would love to see the whole series. I have a 7" Delta shaper and I have used it for several jobs including keying a pulley. I have no milling machine. I used it to bevel many weld test coupons for open root weld practice.It is versatile ,quiet, tooling is cheap and easy to grind and it can produce a great surface finish. Mine was an ex-school shop machine and came with the original light, vise, but no cabinet. I mounted it to a small rollaway tool box. I also got the original three phase motor and a single phase motor which I am using now.
I'll be delighted to watch this shaper being brought back to working condition. I really like shapers. I have an Alba 1 A 10 inch shaper that was a basket case when I first got it. Now it is in superb condition and a joy to use. Lyle, do please carry on with the rebuild videos,I'm looking forward to the next edition. I love the saying "You can make anything with a shaper, except profit"😂
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I see your shop/garage and enjoy it all and then I see "AlwaysSunnyintheshop" and - Holy Cow. Does he actually USE those??? But he DOES. Just really clean about it ... It takes all kinds and I'm glad to see them all. Thanks, Lyle.
That's why there are shapers and then there are "ABOM shapers" LOL
I personally will never use them but the design and versatility of the shaper is still impressive.
I still enjoy watching the chips fly and the finish produced by these older machines. Love shapers!
I am waiting with great anticipation for Keith Rucker to finish restoring that shaper he is working on at Vintage machinery!
Keep up the good work!
Glad the decision has been made and are you are content with it. For what it's worth, I like the term refurbish. Make it usable and matainable. Pretty is nice, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and some get great joy returning something to factory new/recondituoned. But many of us just want to have a good usable machine. Glad you take us down the second path. Always enlightening. Ron
Shapers are fascinating machines. I bought mine a few years ago, and still didn't have the time to make it fully usable, but I love to watch videos like yours, Adam's and Steve's.
Carry on filming pete it's interesting sir
I joy your instructions immensely . Continue on with your series I never miss. Any I’m you age and have my own hobby shop . Had to take machine shop extended machine shop class when I was in 7th grade that’s when I baught my first hit and miss engine and came the steam engine and now a model A at 77 just have no intention of stoping I lots of grand kids and greats that are interested so I keep going
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A fascinating bit of machinery. I have never seen one running up close. Mostly they were left in a corner of the machine shop forgotten as old technology usually is. Not to say that they didn't have value for some operations. An old machinist friend was very fond of his shaper and he did some really beautiful and complicated work on his machine.
Mr Pete - thanks for this video. I hope you decide to continue with a series. It would be great to see this shaper brought back to life.
Please make a restoration series on the shaper. I really enjoy your videos and have learned a multitude of machining tips and regularly return to earlier ones to recap. Much appreciated
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I think there may be a lot of people that don't know what a metal shaper is. It's guys like you and Abom that shed some light on them and show what they can do. I'm guessing it will increase their popularity again and possible raise their value. Please show your restoration of this nice little shaper.
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Mr Pete I love the opening rant. I too hope to take my last breath doing what I love. Glad to hear you aren't leaving us for Florida retirement. If my vote means much i would love to see a series on this shaper. I have done a lot of research on shapers and am always glued to the information because there is not much to be had because everyone is into Bridgeport style mills. I will admit that my verticle mill is where i spend most of my time but I also have a little Atlas horizontal mill and same with it little to no information on it. I consider the Southbend Shaper and the Atlas Horizontal mill both Hobby machines. But hey it is my Hobby. Something I can do sitting in my walker. I personally think nursing homes should have a Hobby machine shop for guys like myself. We certainly agree on those cheezy looking vice handles.
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I hope you get viewers, because a shaper is a rare beast, anx who besides you is going to teach us and provide a record for posterity. Your work is amazing, every engineer should be taking your discoveries of what happens to machinery to heart
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Glad you are staying here and will keep doing what you were born to do. I recently purchased a small New England shaper from Matt at Lost Creek. It had all the original parts, including the vise. It also has a clutch like the larger shapers. I can;t find any manuals or information on this machine. But I figure if I need to put a keyway in a gear or sprocket, it beats buying all the expensive broaches (and usually making the oddball sized bushings).
Don’t listen to the haters. Create whatever video you want and we will be here to watch it.
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I hate them handles also! I’m glad to hear you also do!
Those Yellow handles are an eye sore. Looks like someone cut up a screw driver.
@@markthompson4885 And a cheap screwdriver at that. But I like 'em, they date the machine to a specific time. Now I would hate to use them they look very un-ergonomic.
I bought a South Bend shaper some years ago. I have a stand for it. It's time to put them together and evaluate the machine's condition. This is a fine video.
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I have been watching Mr. Pete aka Tubal Cain for a while now. His opening rant just totally won me over.
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Mr Pete great job as always,. Two weeks ago was able to purchase a atlas craftsman 7in shaper, in excellent shape, and turned my lap top on to see you taking delivery of your second shaper. Will be watching your following videos with much anticipation as always. You do a great job as my wife also watches just to hear your rants and views, thanks and keep up the good work.
Mr Pete, please keep the videos coming on the shaper. We appreciate your knowledge regarding these older machines. Thank you Sir.
Glad to hear your intent to stay put and continue buying machines and tools! I’d love to see a long term shaper restoration and operation series. Thanks, Mr. Pete!
Hey Mr Pete good to see you
Mr. Pete please keep going ahead with you repair work on the shaper, I like all of you series so please keep them coming.
I wish I had some of your tools in my shop, but then I would need a bigger shop then I have now. Looking forward to your next class.
Joe
I also appreciate your great decision to stay. I bought the lathe and mill series videos. I would love to see a restoration of the shaper. I've learned so much keep the good work up your friend Uncle Terry
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You must keep this going, I can't wait for the next installment. By the way, your knee was making a strange noise when you were pumping that trolly. All the best to you.
The bad thing about getting older is that various parts of your body start making strange noises. The good thing about getting older is that you start losing your hearing so those noises don't bother you.
"Kids and sailors are the only two things that could foul a steel ball bearing with a rubber mallet".,; taught to me by my old auto shop teacher... and ex-Navy man. I don't think many people understand the hours that a shop teacher has to spend maintaining machinery, preparing jigs, and prepping stock. It takes me an hour to prep the paperwork to get a belt and then wait at least a week to get it delivered. It is easier to go on my own time, layout $15 for nice Gates belt, and "donate" that cost & effort to my program. Multiply that by 25 machines! Rant over.
I hate to think what I spent out of my own pocket over the years
That's true of all teachers, not just shop teachers, I spent a lot of time and a little of my own money every semester buying parts and batteries to maintain cameras when I taught photography.
@@mikeking7470 Right on Mike.... I teach Graphics as my shop class. I hear you loud & clear!
We want to see you restore the shaper.
Mr. Pete, a very interesting video. No sense thinking that your riding on Adam's shaper train. You are the original internet shop teacher, lead the pack and posses a unique presentation style. Of all the Utube videos I watch I most look forward to seeing a new Mr. Pete video. Thank you.
Thank you very much for a kind comment. That was very encouraging
I like shapers, I'd like to collect and restore old machine tools one day so these videos will come in handy.
I just bought one It was running well but expensive. (1200) bucks.But that included moving it I really like it as it's a clean machine A south bend seven incher.All adjustments are tight.I would love to see more videos on this machine .Thank's Mr Pete,Your the go to guy for all things machine
Lyle, your unique insight is always welcome. More please!
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I have a SB shaper like the old one you have. Mine is missing the cover on the side tho. I restored it several years ago and then got divorced before I used it very much. It still sits in my old garage waiting on me to someday get another shop set up. Love watching your vids.
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Hi Mr Pete could you please do a series on the shaper i think they are wonderful machines it would be very informative , for me the older the machine the betterand you never stop learning no matter how old you are . Gee i wish i could get a small shaper like that for scrap metal price but down hear in australia the where not that common keep up the great work luv your program.
I wholeheartedly agree. Get rid of those awful yellow plastic handles. When I was in shop class many years ago, we used that bar stock ("Tenite") to make handles for screw drivers. I have been tempted to tell you this for some time. An interesting project. Many thanks.
Yes, are used to buy tenite In 3 foot links
Love the little shaper, and hope we get to see you give it the long overdue attention it deserves.
Please keep making video's on this machine. Most of us love it. Believe it Mr Pete.
Keep it coming Mr P, I'd love to see more on the shaper and I really appreciate and understand the effort you're having to put into the making of these videos. Bravo... and I have to mention a memory of my apprentice days when my pal mounted a shaper and rode it like horse. Needless to say it didn't go down to well with our instructor. Happy days though....
lol Thank you for watching
Love your restoration videos. Even though I will never have a Shaper, your descriptions on evaluation and repairs are good examples that have carryover usage for many other restoration projects.
At the end of the video where you showed the truck heading down the street with the three engines on it, I imagined that will be my view some day and was on the verge of crying myself. Get yourself another one! Just one will do. Maybe a true hit n miss this time so it's different from the others. Blessings from Ohio.
Who knows, I may get another
I’ll watch every single video of a restoration. Please make them available. Thanks for sharing
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Mr. Pete. Please continue with this series. I've rebuilt a SB 9" and a Atlas horizontal mill and find this content to be very interesting. Also please produce a shaper instructional video, but please make it pertinent to an Atlas shaper, also. As I own and trying to learn to become proficient on an Atlas shaper. I really enjoy the videos, keep up the good work.
Yes please Mr Pete, more on the South Bend shaper, and I agree, you must get rid of those awful yellow resin knobs.
Keep up the good work.
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge, experience and thoughts. Don't think you are alone in your opinions, I hate to see old machines go to the scrap yard, you can't get the quality built into them today. Thanks Mr Pete!
Thank you,videos like this are one of my favorites
Thank you Mr Peterson
Please go forward with the restoration of this shaper! I may never get one, but what's learned can be applied to other items just as well. Besides, that shaper is the same size (no idea what brand ours was) of shaper we had in our 9th grade metal shop class back in 1971/72. Kind of know your feeling about the engines - at 65 I just got rid of some years worth of magazines I'd been storing. I do have digital copies of them, but not quite the same.
👍Good stuff. Thanks for saving on the ol boy! I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Takes me back to a simpler time. I believe public schools did a dis service when they started removing shop classes. Hind site is 20-20 as they say.
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Most enjoyable, keep them coming. I like all your stuff. M
Yes lyle please do a series on your new shaper,love all your vids ,keith in oz.
I would love to see more of this series. As you said I will never own a shaper (woodworkers have a different sort of a shaper as you no doubt know) but I enjoy seeing the process of discovery as you begin and then the solutions to the problems you identify. I suspected seeing those hit and miss motors going down the road would be a tough day for you. I hope the shaper helps...
Yes, I miss them already
You are always good to watch your videos, Make more Videos!
You are one funny guy!
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I'm pretty sure you could make a 3 hour paint scraping video interesting!! If there is a man of the face of the Earth that can, that's you! I was always told to get the biggest machine I could afford and fit through the garage door, and at the moment something like a 7" shaper seems to be the way to go, hopefuly!! Thanks for sharing and take care!!
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Thanks MrPete, enjoyed. Hope you do make the follow up videos. I enjoy the chats, the rants and seeing the $2.99 belts :)
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Enjoyed the video looking forward to the rest of the series on the shaper.
I agree those screw driver handles stick out like a third eye...lol. I will watch all of your video’s on this machine restoration and like it as always.👍🏻 If that were mine it would be taken down to the last screw and detailed back to life...lol, can you say OCD😂
Hi Mr Pete
Looking forward to see videos on your shapers, from Coventry UK 🇬🇧👍.
Hi Mr Pete, thanks for the video, although I'm not a machinist I found this interesting, it's had a pretty hard life by the looks of it, but your enjoyment will come from using your skills to get that thing working again. And not least the sense of acomplishment when the first chips start flying,lol, keep em coming,stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart.uk.
Mr. Pete, I appreciate the time and effort you put into making these videos. I just purchased a SB heavy 10 lathe with the older gearbox. I would appreciate a video series on the SB lathe. Thanks again
I do have one
I just cleaned out my garage and sold most of my plumbing supplies and tools. If I had sold them one at a time it would have taken years, so I sold the whole lot. I was feeling a bit sad but these are just material things of the world, and you can’t take them with you when we leave this world. This is just another stepping stone in the life of a sentimental foolish old man like me.
I need to do the same thing
I'm always interested in old machine restoration. 😁
I'm like you,sir. I hate resto work! But I do enjoy cleaning and repairing machines for my use or sale. I'm in the market for a shaper, so tips and how to vids is very interesting to me. As you said, large shapers can be had for scrap iron prices. I need something I can handle myself with my equipment. 3 phase is available but floor space is at a premium. Great video. Your thorough inspection and observations really help in my searches and the checking out of said equipment. Thanks
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Please do film!! Shapers seem to be more and more popular - or at least they are getting harder to find for sure! I learned a lot from your last shaper videos, and will absolutely learn more as you go through this one. I have an older Atlas 7" that occupies a place of love in my garage!
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I found a man working a shaper in Bangkok. One day.
I stopped to watch and talk with the man. Very very quickly. I had trouble keeping my eyes open.
All my best wishes Mark. M
Yes I enjoyed the video very well done. Looking forward to more about the South Bend shaper. Thanks
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I also would like to see that series. You always have something good to say and very good content in your videos.
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