@@JessieBearBookClub I did, I think you make a great case when you couple it with your Dorne x Wales video. Tbh, its the most interesting look at Dorne since Prestons Deeper Dorne. This is like the historical counterpart to the pure book dive.
@@randominternetguyoffical thank you that is very sweet of you to say as I really enjoy Preston’s deeper Dorn. I also love green hands doubt the gout though I think the gout is real
Great insight! I never made the connection between The Tudors and House Yronwood. I will definitely keep this in mind when the Winds of Winter comes out.
Great, I like this. OAN In AWOIAF, I think all "Old" houses with house words are part of a Long Night pact that has yet to be revealed. Thats why we don't know them all.
While there may be a marriage, and GRRM is definitely sourcing from War of the Roses history, the former Red Mountain Kings were all First Men Houses. To me it's more about Rhonyar/Nymeria's supremacy of culture over Dorne. The war never stopped, and the only reason the Martells won is because those former Kings didn't fight together.
Do you remember Doran saying he can only muster 10,000 spears? He was not talking about Dorne as a whole, but the Dorne loyal to him, and his House. The Vulture Kings (associated with House Blackmont) amassed huge armies in the Red Mountains. Dayne's, Blackmonts, Yronwoods & Fowlers can likely field 5,000+ men each. First Men Housees against Nymeria's Dorne @@JessieBearBookClub
@@Baratheon. that’s actually a very interesting point I had not thought of. However I had always assumed the vulture kings numbers were greatly exaggerated as Doran admits to exaggerating Dorns power. I figured that trope had probably gone on for centuries. And Dorn doesn’t have the best climate for housing lots of people
I know it is far to big to be Britain, and GRRM took a lot of inspiration from Europe when creating the different Westeros kingdoms. However I feel like a large part of the story is based around the war of the roses and the free citys represent europe and the legacy of Valerion/Roman empire that only got a foot hold in Britain/Westerose. This is only the way I see it though and its fiction so we can all interpret it the way we want.
@@JessieBearBookClub I agree with you in general terms, specially with the idea of the Free Cities. But also see in Dorne a lot in common with Spain own history, with half of the country inhabited by the rhoynars (like muslims of Al Andalus in the Iberian Peninsula), or the Greenblood river based on the Guadalquivir.
@@pipiriti1984 I can see that especially with the female rule thing and Castile. I can’t really see the Guadalquivir river and the green blood similarity though. I was in the Alàzar in Sevilla were they filmed the water gardens but it was not how I personally imagined the water gardens. It’s all amateur of opinion.
I can't believe I missed this one until now!
I hope you liked the theory 😀
@@JessieBearBookClub I did, I think you make a great case when you couple it with your Dorne x Wales video.
Tbh, its the most interesting look at Dorne since Prestons Deeper Dorne. This is like the historical counterpart to the pure book dive.
@@randominternetguyoffical thank you that is very sweet of you to say as I really enjoy Preston’s deeper Dorn. I also love green hands doubt the gout though I think the gout is real
Fantastic research. Great historical analysis and parallel too.
@@vincenthickey8622 thank you 🤩 that’s great to here
👏🏻 thanks - amazing!
Also, good catch on the oddity of the missing wife names. That’s similar to the missing people in the Dayne tree!
Its so interesting that the more you look into to ASOIAF the more you find out what is hidden
@@JessieBearBookClub ... George is holding off on Winds until most of Dance is actually understood 😂
@@SeptaShaenasSapphires hahaha you could be right, I hold out little hope for house of the dragon
Great insight! I never made the connection between The Tudors and House Yronwood. I will definitely keep this in mind when the Winds of Winter comes out.
I am so excited for winds of winter 😁😁😁
Great, I like this.
OAN
In AWOIAF, I think all "Old" houses with house words are part of a Long Night pact that has yet to be revealed. Thats why we don't know them all.
That’s actually a really cool idea, especially if you could put them all together to form an instruction brief
@@JessieBearBookClub Yeah like, "winter is Coming", and "Here We Stand""The Sun of Winter" "Ever Vigilant"...
I have more but, too long.
Cool video!
Thank you 😁
While there may be a marriage, and GRRM is definitely sourcing from War of the Roses history, the former Red Mountain Kings were all First Men Houses.
To me it's more about Rhonyar/Nymeria's supremacy of culture over Dorne. The war never stopped, and the only reason the Martells won is because those former Kings didn't fight together.
Interesting but personally I see Dorn as a whole. The Martels have jealous lesser houses, but I feel there hatred of dragons united them
Do you remember Doran saying he can only muster 10,000 spears?
He was not talking about Dorne as a whole, but the Dorne loyal to him, and his House.
The Vulture Kings (associated with House Blackmont) amassed huge armies in the Red Mountains.
Dayne's, Blackmonts, Yronwoods & Fowlers can likely field 5,000+ men each. First Men Housees against Nymeria's Dorne
@@JessieBearBookClub
@@Baratheon. that’s actually a very interesting point I had not thought of. However I had always assumed the vulture kings numbers were greatly exaggerated as Doran admits to exaggerating Dorns power. I figured that trope had probably gone on for centuries. And Dorn doesn’t have the best climate for housing lots of people
Dorne is not Wales, is more like Spain, while the Reach is France. Westeros is not Great Britain, is Europe in size.
I know it is far to big to be Britain, and GRRM took a lot of inspiration from Europe when creating the different Westeros kingdoms. However I feel like a large part of the story is based around the war of the roses and the free citys represent europe and the legacy of Valerion/Roman empire that only got a foot hold in Britain/Westerose. This is only the way I see it though and its fiction so we can all interpret it the way we want.
@@JessieBearBookClub I agree with you in general terms, specially with the idea of the Free Cities. But also see in Dorne a lot in common with Spain own history, with half of the country inhabited by the rhoynars (like muslims of Al Andalus in the Iberian Peninsula), or the Greenblood river based on the Guadalquivir.
@@pipiriti1984 I can see that especially with the female rule thing and Castile. I can’t really see the Guadalquivir river and the green blood similarity though. I was in the Alàzar in Sevilla were they filmed the water gardens but it was not how I personally imagined the water gardens. It’s all amateur of opinion.