REPTILE SUPER SHOW | JANUARY 2024
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I agree with you there are way to many ball pythons out there. People think they can get rich quick and that’s messed up because your supposed to breed animals you enjoy or need help and not just for a quick buck. I know not all of them are like that but 90 percent are. I have a few ball pythons because me and my younger brother enjoy the species but we don’t breed them any more. Yeah we could sell them but I believe when you get a pet your supposed to care for it it’s whole life not just give up on it because you lost interest or it doesn’t make you money anymore. These keepers nowadays 🤦♂️ everyone seems to want cheap disposable pets and they forget their living creatures. Sadly the pets pay the price and those people just move on to the next money making fad 🤷♂️. Sorry about my rant but it drives me nuts. Honestly wish you and Apple all the best and hope you both have a great day keep up the great work bud 🙋♂️✌️
I totally agree. I think many breed ball pythons because of its polpularity and because of all the morphs, it's fun and exciting and they hope they will get that one special snake that will make them rich even if it isn't that easy. And then while they try to to create the snakes that will make them money they will oversaturate the market and create lots of ball pythons no one really want. I don't think that's right to the snake, after all it's a living animal and imo if you're going to be a breeder you have to take responsibility of all the animals you breed, like if no one wants them and keep them in good conditions. So I really wish some people thought and planned more before they start breeding and about what's best for the animals.
Great Job Dannnnn ,,,,,, Enjoy overseas ,,,,,,,,
I love what you do man, bringing rare and uncommon colubrids and other species of snakes into the hobby is awesome.
Yes Balls & Cresties dominate the sites.
Good to see stuff other than ball pythons and geckos at these shows. Good talking to you!
Nice clean setup sir. Those tentacle snakes are so cool. I can picture an amazing setup featuring those beautiful snakes!
Thanks but this was a last minute set up that I was able to pinch some space off my buddy. Normally we have a more professional, dedicated booth. Tentacled snakes have proven to be really solid captives.
It is the same over here in the UK. Our IHS shows generally consist of corns snakes, ball pythons, crested geckos, gargoyle geckos, leopard geckos and bearded dragons. Its very rare to see anything else. I don't go to them anymore for this reason.
I can be perfectly honest about this, I have always stood out and this makes me stand out even more so it works for me. If other vendors/breeders want to diversify....that also works for me. I am easy to get in touch with :)
@nanoreefer1622
Me either. It’s ridiculous. It’s spoiled the expo’s. It used to be you could go to the expo’s knowing you had a good chance of finding some cool and unusual species but not any more.
Why are everyone breeding the same animals, it's boring?
@@teijaflink2226
Money. They think thats where the money is.
Good morning Dmextios great work have a super day have a great day have a nice day have a awesome day have a cool day have a wonderful day Dmextios
Good morning Ms. Vanessa!
I've been noticing it alot at expos here in Utah too, I honestly hate it I'm in and out of expos in like an hour cause I skip all the ball python booths..
Couldn’t agree more about the ball pythons. There’s currently 45,291 available on MorphMarket, which is completely insane. Frankly, it’s straight up irresponsible. People like to talk about when they get a ball python, but then go silent when they get rid of it or it dies. I’d love to know the ratio of BP’s sold to BP’s that are rehomed or that have died young. I’m willing to bet the figures would be disturbing.
And anyway they live for a very long time, so many don't consider that or that a ball python is not a dog or a cat and they get bored. People really need to stop just breeding and breeding ball pythons only because they want cool morphs.Total insanity, it's a live animal, not some cool looking thing.
Totally agree. The prices were thru the roof, now they will drop like hammers! The poor animals are the ones that suffer. I love BPs but have recently got back into colubrids. Just a hobbyist looking for pets.
Safe Travels Dan
The end of the ball python craze? Im not mad😂
All the people saying it is a cycle that happens every so many years are kinda correct but the last time it looked dismal, it was no where near the volume it is now and other things triggered the previous down-cycle. This leans heavy on extreme market saturation with a sprinkling of slow economy.
Leftover Ball Pythons = King Cobra food
I’m a small ball python breeder and I am hoping that beans are saturate in the market maybe all these big guys will get out because they can’t afford their overhead good video
What they should do is diversify with other species IMO....some discussed these options with me last weekend but I am not one to sell anybody a dream. I am just here as a resource and can provide those opportunities. I had countless discussions with non-BP breeders and vendors about diversifying the species they are working with and selling so some people are making moves.
Great video as always. At this point to me ball pythons are a separate sub culture. It's become almost cult like.
The biggest fans of ball python breeders are other ball python breeders.
Needs to be said and more importantly needs to be heard..
The BP arc has broken....
Pie bald was good enough for myself back in the 80s....
Many peeps came up huge financially with the BP and this assisted the growth of the herp community .....
However .....
Enough has been enough....
Peeps need to be realistic about the animals quality of lives ...
Good to see your post bro....
One x
I agree 100% and have mentioned this in many podcast interviews that BP's brought money, ingenuity and advancement into many aspects to the hobby but it has taken a weird turn.
LMAO RE too many ball pythons at the show! Agreed! On the other hand, the only snake I have currently is a normal (best in my opinion, not a big morph fan) ball python I rescued when a friend found him at Gibbs Park in Huntington Beach. He has a special place in my heart because he wasn't doing well when he was found- a yearling who was very thin and scared. Now, 6 years later, 4 feet long, fat & happy, he never turns down a meal. I used to be that kid in the 60s and 70s that everyone in the neighborhood called when there was a snake that needed help.
The only people buying those ridiculously expensive morphs of ball pythons are other ball python breeders. No one spends several grand for a pet ball python.
Great video! Some interesting Animals at the show. It's the same thing here in the UK with Ball (or Royal, as we call them here in the UK) Pythons. I haven't be to any shows for a long time but I'm told that they are mostly Royal Pythons and Leopard Geckoes. I like the normal wild type of both species but it's been a long time since I kept Royal Pythons. Captive bred Animals were a novelty back then and rarely seen.
It's the same here in the uk at the shows, royal pythons, crested Geckos and leopard Geckos, with the odd table having some different and rare
yeh I agree, the ball pythons have gotten out of control forsure. Any show I’ve been to in Florida is over 50% balls
Maybe lots (ball pythons) available in the states but not so much in Canada, especially in my province. Wish there was. Hope I don't have to go too far to find something for myself
They are reaching full market saturation in SE Asia so just wait, it is coming your way 1000% lol.
Its getting ridiculous with the ball pythons. I have been to shows that had 70% plus ball pythons. I literally had to walk out. Keep doing what you do providing different species
I just do what I like. If it’s popular, great. If it isn’t popular(like it wasn’t popular from about 1996-2010), I’m still doing it.
Hey Dan! 👋 I just wanted to say thank you so much, for taking your time in giving me tips/advice with both feeling for follicles and which route to take lol (follow a few books or breeder) you truly are great and I hope you keep getting blessed with all the success you deserve 😊 😁✌️
OK cool, good luck
I won't even go to the reptiles shows in Toronto Canada anymore as it's all Ball Pythons.... I found 1 carpet python dealer there last time.
If you take a look at morphmarket, of the 76,000 reptiles, inverts, and amphibians listed, 45,000 of those listings are ball pythons with about 100 listings selling multiple BPs. if you use morphmarket as a "state of the industry" in terms of numbers, 60% of animals availbe are BPs and thats absurd. So its no wonder that the shows being held today are hypersaturated with ball pythons.
and good on you for sharing your opinion, it is highly valued and I think you should absolutely weigh in on things more often!
All these other UA-camrs have sponsors like morphmarket, redline shipping, freedom breeder, zilla, prococo, etc etc....they aren't going to say s**t. They are going to continue being influencers pushing their viewers to support their sponsors who drive the ball python market. It is actually very amusing 🙃.
The Tinley Park show, where i'm at, is always at least half ball pythons, and a lot of these are not this year's animals.
Plus, prices are crazy.
A few years ago I thought about getting some gargoyle geckos, but didn't really want to spend 60 bucks each.
I sure don't want to spend 250 - 400 each now.
And won't.
You are living the dream man!!!! I'm sure you must have your frustrations, but making a living from doing what you love is absolute magic. Well done man. Love your vids and philosophy: "herpetoculture from the frontlines!"
Suggestion: start importing things that can eat all these balls and corns!😅
Can’t own king cobras in CA but there are some keepers elsewhere that are happy.
That line of people at the beginning of this episode is why it's hard for me to go to these shows anymore. Crowds can be huge. My patience for crowds ain't as good as it used to be. Especially since I'm there just to look around and not in the market for a new animal. The last show I attended a few years ago, I showed up in the afternoon when thing are a bit more quiet. I still enjoy the shows - just not when I feel like a sardine in a can.
These shows are spread out with wider aisles so not too bad. However, if you are looking for something specific or a special item....you are going to do much better reaching out directly to the sources rather than wait to see if you can find it at an expo. I had triple the pre-order/show pick-ups than animals I had on my table for sale.
Wish I could have been there
June 2024 back again but we will have way more
I’ve Been tired of seeing ball pythons at the shows for years! At the Daytona show last year I thought we need to start a reptile show with no ball pythons allowed 😆.
That’s the thing that no one thinks about.Where do all the surplus ball pythons end up?Im sure that sadly it’s not somewhere good.I’m not a fan of ball pythons but they’re living creatures and deserve MUCH more than that
Agree 100% that there are a handful of overproduced species. No need to hobbyist to produce more unless they just love those species and even then they need to make sure they have good homes available.
Yeah don't breed if you don't know that you will find a home for them.
Great video great topic on the ball pythons we also wondering what they do with all the extra they can't place them what are they doing with them hopefully they are not releasing them
Well, I know of a retic breeder that has alligators(just sayin’)
Freezers, unfortunately, for many. Many end up as food for snake-eating species.
Hey Dan sorry about my rant last night, I was in a bad mood and facing some tough decisions coming up, and I look up to you guys I follow that have followed your dreams, just to get some realistic advice.
I see the post was removed, kinda embarrassed now, my apologies.
I do gotta laugh though every time I'm headed towards LA out of Bakersfield because the video you made once of you driving through here talking about the air and the smell lol.
Your other comment is still there and was far from a rant worthy of removal. Actually this video has not generated any comments in bad taste, so far everyone is in agreement. I just gave my opinion at the end of an expo video based on what I saw. It is not an anti-anything or anybody video. I don't have any sponsors and my opinion is coming from the place of someone that has been around a long time and is actually in this business.
@DMExotics no it was a different comment, it was long winded me asking for advice for my future career wise and financial stuff, about following your passion vs being realistic with the economy and doing what you have to do to get bills and debt paid.
Its cool, Ill hit you up another time.
I asked you and another guy I know and both comments vanished, maybe youtube did it.
@@jdssurf No, it never posted. Sometimes comments can be held or review but that is also empty. It is a bot that deems comments as unacceptable but a lot of nonsense still gets through....either way I never saw it.
I had a look at Craigslist a couple years ago for snakes in my area just out of curiosity to see what's around, and there were a TON of listings for people trying to get rid of their pet ball pythons along with their cage setups. It was pretty evident to me at that point the market was already saturated with ball pythons. I'm sure it's worse now. The animal welfare aspect is sure to go downhill in a hurry.
I would absolutely have loved to be able to grab one of those spilotes, just no room at the moment.
What would you recommend as enclosure size for an adult?
I will hopefully be able to grab a young one this year, but if I can build something bigger I may get an adult.
Mine are gone but for caging I would just say that the biggest that you can provide is the best answer. They can survive in something small but if you give them room to roam and height to climb, they will absolutely use it.
In St. Louis here, 99% of the show consist of three species. Ball pythons, crested geckos and leopard geckos.
The snake who are snake eaters will be living a good life over the next few years.
I’m going to voice a gripe over these “ rescues” too. If you’re a rescue, how can you be charging nearly full price if not full price on these animals? I understand a fee, but let’s be honest here.
Those aren't rescues.
@@DMExotics exactly!
I'd imagine a lot of people used stimulus money or just extra money they had after 2020 to start breeding. Seen the same around me. Balls, cresteds, and axolotls everywhere. I wouldn't mind so much if like you said, there was someplace for them to find a decent home, and there was more diversity. Market will correct, but I think a lot of small breeders will probably exit the hobby. C'est la vie.
Yes, but there are also some very big name breeders coming in hot with 10-14 tables of ball pythons so there is a lot at play. UA-camrs and "influencers" also played along. I suppose you go to what is likely the biggest show now and you see the biggest and most obvious representation of the hobby. My next expo in June I will be stuck at my booth and Apple can go do the filming so I probably won't have an opinion lol.
I haven't seen more than one or two breeders like that, but I wouldn't at the shows I go to. Mostly small hobby breeders and some that are on the show circuit. I've always been surprised with the number of people breeding anything that requires large rats and up food. I would have thought the higher food costs would deter more breeders, but then again, I don't think most vendors have really sat down and ever done the math.
@@DMExotics
The market (and prices) for cresties apparently crashed in the last 6 months, and maybe balls are going through that now. In Florida, the shows have been 60% or more balls and cresties for a decade, and there has to be a degree of saturation as demand shrinks and supply skyrockets (while health declines).
I've been thrilled to see some variety recently, particularly in the CBB availability of "routine" species (tokays, fire skinks, etc) and in colubrids. I think access to content like yours, and even bored MorphMarket browsing, has exposed people to what's really out there and awakened the joy the hobby kind of lost there for a while.
Cresteds have become the new feeder lizard for some if that gives you any idea of what is happening with those.
I feel like ball python are gonne end up being use as feeders… because its true there is too many and even for free no body want them some time…. I dont know what to think about that. Feel like its the only solution 🤷🏻♂️
I've been breeding balls for 7 years and its gotten crazy. I focus on just making snakes I want not making snakes just to make snakes. That said there are 46k ball pythons available on morphmarket alone. The market will correct itself.
I hope my opinions are not taken as bashing ball pythons. It isn't the animals fault....this situation has been created by a large chunk of the hobby and I feel for the unwanted snakes. I usually keep my mouth shut but what I saw today was disturbing.
The market will correct itself after more than half of those 46k snakes are unfortunately and hate even thinking about it probably just shoved into freezers. We would need hundreds of shelters to properly care for all the unwanted snakes. Me and my wife run a reptile rescue and have few friends that do the same and we all have the same problem to many ball pythons, bearded dragons, and leopard geckos. All the rescues and shelters we stay in contact with were all basically maxed out and we I’m sure it’s like that across the country as well. Unfortunately most breeders are just pumping out babies thinking about dollar bills and not about welfare of the animals all these unwanted snakes and lizards are going to have no where to go. I’m out of here I ended up doing another rant sorry Dan 🤦♂️ this wasn’t directed towards anyone on here. Hope you both have a great day 🙋♂️✌️
I couldn’t imagine buying a booth and trying to sell mid to high end morph ball pythons.
For most of them, it was just fitting in and hanging out with friends and following what all the cool kids were doing. I didn't get as much of that feeling this weekend.
Most of the Shows in my State are are filled with Ball Pythons and Crested Geckos. I'm not into either of those so I tend to skip.
The Ball Python Bubble has Burst!
Ball pythons are going “out of business” persay to me. Everyone has em. Plus, the higher end ones are just too expensive for a “normal” buyer! Way better snakes and other reptiles to buy.
They are always going to be around. Maybe "pandemic part II" will reset the whole thing over again. All I can tell you is I will still be in SE Asia most of the year sourcing brand new species and working with what I like. Whatever is happening in the hobby makes zero difference to me.
i totaly agree on the ballphytons. same with cornsnakes and bearded dragons. people did not think about how many people are actualy want to keep them and that those animals live about 20 years. you see all those breeders on youtube producing so many animals and every second "normal" keeper is breeding some aswell, going for those one of a kind animal and producing 20 other animals in the same clutch. and some seams to do this with retics and other big animals too. there is basically no point to breed those species. even animal shelters over here in germany have multible cornsnakes, ballphytons, boas and beardys in all the diferent morphes that used to sell for a lot of money. i have seen lavender cornsnake babys for 5€ at shows and whole collections of ball phytons droped of in the forest or dumpsters to freez to death. even if the morphs brougt some attention and money into the hobby, it will backfire now. one can only hope that this will regulate without to much suffering. also it made the hobby a bit boring i think because its missing the variety that nature has to offer.
thanks for bringing up this topic and for the video.
I was second guessing talking about this but I just couldn't help it...what I am seeing is over the top.
@@DMExotics you are totaly right and i think it realy needs to be addressed. breeding is a neccessery part of a animals live and for keeping them, but this needs to stop. if you have something rare its cool to breed and have it in the hobby and its a way to prevent wild caught etc. but keep a good eye on the marked. ballphytons are nice and cute snakes and great pets but not everyone needs a rack with 50 of them.
please keep addressing those issues.
@@teckendrums A rack with 50 of them? I think a rack with 500 of them is probably way more common than people think. So do you know why I address this and nobody else does? Because I have no sponsors. A UA-camr with "freedom breeder", "redline shipping", "morph market", etc etc is not going to address ANY issues for fear up upsetting their sponsors so they just fake their way through social media and continue "influencing"...but they sold out a long time ago. I am like the independent Tom MacDonald of reptiles 😂🤣😂
i skip the ball pythons everytime. its annoying
I mean what can we do about it, the people are obsessed, it's insane just chasing a color while the snakes get weaker, I lose my mind when I see new breeders.
I like to see new keepers enter the hobby, and most do it with a pet ball python, but for those that head into breeding and following the advice of UA-camrs and influencers are skipping basic economics.
@@DMExotics New keepers, fantastic, high volume new breeders is what kills me. I'm extra grouchy right now though so idk.
Hey if you have any tips to pay off 18k in debt other than getting a better job which I'm working on let me know lol, medical and auto stuff, home stuff and over indulging eating out all the time messed me up. 48 and single no kids, I gotta get this shit in order.
Im so disappointed I stayed with this company so long and didn't pay attention to the industry, now my best bet is to head to a different part of the industry which I have no care for but my passions and hobbies won't pay the bills in this economy, unless I luck out big time or go to school for many years, I gotta get moving now, it's hard sometimes to watch my guys like you following dreams sometimes, because so many say follow your dreams for work, but damn, what percentage of ppl pull it off........I know your retired though.
Anyways, any tips or wise words welcome..
Im fighting low testosterone and such so Im working on that with doctors, so the already low mood and fatigue puts real hurt on my mental state right now, trying to fight it and stay positive.
Tryin to think of extra ways to pay this debt down until I can maybe make this job change. Other than the typical stuff on youtube, I've done reselling stuff, then that got saturated, just overwhelmed, sad thing is I don't buy much stuff, I'm good at budgeting and drive an old jeep such but my going to dinner and lunch out is what kills me, but when you live alone and your an overthinker like me dealing with feeling down, it's a real pick me up to be around people out for dinner and such. There is nothing to do in my town unless the weather is good, I live in Bakersfield so I know you know lmao, you've driven through here.
Anyways, any tips appreciated.
Take care Dan, glad you still pop out videos. You always have awesome animals.
PS.......sorry for my rant and I'm sure it's strange that I told you all that but sometimes I hit up guys I feel like get shit done that I respect for a little advice.
man you are panning too fast , lol make mine eyes blur for a min
Yes I was in a hurry…I’m a business more than a UA-camr
Balls are overrated in my opinion. Just to many people breeding them and the over abundance is ridiculous. If I was going to get another snake or recommend someone a snake, it’s def not a ball.
This is the thing nobody understands. If you get a really cool morph its still a ball python and therefore a waste of everyone's time. Go play outside.
Breeding bps is a joke. The breeders have become a joke.
I agree
"Too many" ball pythons? Don't worry about it! Let the market forces dictate what happens! Isn't that what capitalism is all about?
Oh I don't worry about it....trust me, it makes my table stand out more and more thanks to all of that. The only thing that bothers me is where they go. They were mostly looked at as valuable items before and now they are starting to look like invaluable items. You can see where that is leading.