Ross Karl manages this show well. He is an example of a skilled journalist prompting his regular panelists, and allowing James and Bryn time to educate the viewer. Ross doesn't over talk, brings a bit of humour, and James and Bryn are always well prepared. Provides analysis you won't find on other Sky Productions. Appreciated.
I've grown to appreciate this show over recent times. The analysis, quiet gems and rugby knowledge shared by James and Bryn in particular are excellent. A great example is James' description of what square hips does to opposition and why that makes Will Jordan so offensively masterful. Another great show, thank you men. Cheers.
With Brynn and Parsons on the panel, the discourse will always skew in favour of their former teams. Im personally happy with the media not talking up the Chiefs because I dont want them to get jinxed out of their unbeaten run
Don't worry! There'll be more Chiefs coming up. We've raved about them for 11 weeks, so thought we'd mix it up, as it was a straight forward win for them.
That 6-2 split question is a great debate point. The ABs definitely have the open play personnel for it, with Vaai coming on for Brodie/Whitelock, Dalton for Cane and Jacobsen/PitaGus/Blackadder for Barrett/Ardie. But the tactic usually works better for teams that have a gameplan which focuses on set-piece dominance and foward-oriented phase play, for lack of a better word, Ill just say it works for teams with good "structures". The Abs havent developed a solid enough structure/blueprint for success to go for this. I also doubt the Abs have the front row to dominate SA/FR/IRE at their scrums, nor do they have a maul solid enough to push over those teams. A 6-2 split means no DMac(unless he starts at 10), and potentially none of Telea/Leicester/Stevenson/Narawa? Rather than trying to match the other teams in their structured phase-play, I think the best bet is to lean on NZs open/broken play capability.
The danger of going with a 6/2 split was perfectly demonstrated in the Leinster vs Toulouse semi final, Toulouse went with the 6/2 split within 10 minutes of kickoff the outside centre gets injured and the entire gameplan was then in the bin.
Cant expect Will Jordan to set the world on fire immediately after being out for a while it will take him a little bit of time to find his feet again having said that he still played well
Great to see Jordan back, was impressive for someone who hadnt played since last year, same for ALB with the Chiefs, looked reallly good for someone whos been out for so long!
Question: As JP constantly mentions, "games are won up front", it's probably no surprise that one of the most obvious correlations among all RWC winning teams is the strong and consistent emphasis on forward dominance, particularly in set piece. Historically, successful teams have had powerful and skilled forward packs that can dominate the opposition, provide a solid foundation for attacking play, and exert control over the game. Currently, Ireland have a pretty formidable pack with some of the world's best players like Porter, Furlong, Van Der Flier, Doris etc. France, similarly have the likes of Willimse, Aldritt, Baille, Ollivon, Flament etc. And there's also the Springboks who are almost defined by their dominant forwards. These are the 3 teams the All Blacks will need to face in order to advance past the early stages of the RWC, and over the last few years the ABs have always been working on their physicality, so much so that it's all they talk about sometimes. So it's clear the AB coaches see this as an important work-on. How are the All Blacks forwards tracking in this space and do we have the power to challenge these other teams in the forwards considering they all seem to be currently more well resourced and prepared? And with that, we always talk about "bolter" outside backs but who in the SR teams has displayed the kind of dominance and physicality that could push them into the AB RWC squad in the forwards, if any?
spot on. as a unit the french forwards are the world's best at the moment - mobile, fit, strong, mostly young - the platform they set will win them this year's world cup.
Re the Highlanders recruitment difficulties. Yes they're competing with Moana Pasifika, but there's more than a few other kiwi players that didn't get picked up by any NZ based Super squad and are now featuring in Aussie squads - Stacey Ili, or Ollie Sapsford come to mind. There's so much focus in the NZ franchises on signing kids out of high school straight into academies that they risk missing out on late bloomers ala Conrad Smith or Adam Thompson.
The Highlanders are much like the Wallabies. If they can get their best 23 all on the team sheet each week they're a real threat but over the course of a competition their lack of depth hurts them. They have some outstanding juniors coming through but it's a bit early in their development just yet. A draft or transfer system would be ideal in the Highlanders situation as you pointed out. A couple of other fringe super squad members would make a huge difference to their side - especially if they were back e.g Chay Fihaki, Levi Aumua or the likes.
One question is the box kick. Understand if gettin no go foward. Otherwise makes 10 to 20 metres but gives a great chance for other side to take an can punish. Just wonder why?
Box kicks can be really effective if they're done with accuracy but most of NZ hbs are poor at it, they kick either far too deep or too infield best box kicks are right on the touch line give you a chance at either contesting the high ball or taking the catcher out into touch getting the ball back! Conor Murray a few years back was really good at it!
But the Wallabies had a great side then they dominated the 90s and early 2000s it was their golden era not hard to look good when you're in the best side which Australia were then
Jordan looked a tad skinnier than usual. Should be back to full weight in no time. Maybe I'm just seeing things. Anyway, good to see him back. Up the chiefs tho..
@@JaemanEdwards Not really. They just weren't big powerful guys. Kirwan was a lanky bugger and Williams was about the size of Damian McKenzie. They might be on the Mt Rushmore of NZ wingers, but certainly not power wingers. Like they said Inga was the first.
@@bremCZ Damien mckenzie 5ft 9 81 kgs Bryan Williams 5ft 10 89 kgs John kirwan 6ft 4 91 kgs BG and JK were the prototypes for the modern power winger. For their era, they were big.
With Moana Pasifika I think they missed a trick, given the number of Magpies players in their original squad playing at least one game at McLean Park in Napier could well have helped them bring in a big crowd and push them to a win in a tight game.
@@CallumInns Israel Folau - no. 8 Jonah Lomu - no. 8 Sonny Bill Williams - no. 8 Zinzan Brooke - 2nd five Ian Kirkpatrick - 2nd five Ardie Savea - centre
Given they are all injry free come RWC selection time, who misses out (not sure whether the Abs will take 4 or 5 outsides given Damo, Jordie and Beaudy can play 15). Will Jordan Leicester Fainga'anuku Caleb Clarke Mark Telea Shaun Stevenson Emoni Narawa
We don't have characters in NZ rugby because we're a conservative country who tears others down for being different. Tall poppy syndrome is very much real in NZ.
I don't wanna see players out of positions, leave Jordan at 15, leave Barrett at the lock, leave the 10s at 10 and stop doing 2 10s on at once, stop letting the Barretts kick our possessions away, it's that simple.
Why is the Blues vs Crusaders match-up the biggest rivalry while the Chiefs can full out trash and still find a way to beat the Crusaders. In my books that puts the Chiefs vs Crusaders as a bigger rivalry in the comp.
Question: Why are substitutes, that are doing drills behind the deadball, line continually allowed to enter the field of play when a try has been scored. This is actually having more than 15 players on the field which is illegal? Shouldn't WR do something about this and if not why can't Super Rugby just stamp it out. It's annoying and it's just ridiculous all this jumping around like a cheerleader.
Sorry but Akira Ioane is just a flat track bully. Against the really top teams and the physicality goes up he goes missing. I hope he is nowhere near the AB squad this year or next.
The problem has been , no one has put their hand up and said I’m the answer at 6 since kaino . Barrett looked to be the best option at times last year even though he is a lock.
Ross Karl manages this show well. He is an example of a skilled journalist prompting his regular panelists, and allowing James and Bryn time to educate the viewer. Ross doesn't over talk, brings a bit of humour, and James and Bryn are always well prepared. Provides analysis you won't find on other Sky Productions. Appreciated.
I've grown to appreciate this show over recent times. The analysis, quiet gems and rugby knowledge shared by James and Bryn in particular are excellent. A great example is James' description of what square hips does to opposition and why that makes Will Jordan so offensively masterful. Another great show, thank you men. Cheers.
Thanks for the coverage of the Chiefs in this episode ... oh wait! One eyed coverage of the Crusaders & the Blues again 🤦🏾
There was nothing to talk about, they won. The end.
With Brynn and Parsons on the panel, the discourse will always skew in favour of their former teams. Im personally happy with the media not talking up the Chiefs because I dont want them to get jinxed out of their unbeaten run
@@tinman85 yeah it completely depends on the panel, if you watch the breakdown the crusaders are almost never mentioned either haha
They are all Chiefed out mate..go the Chiefs!
Don't worry! There'll be more Chiefs coming up. We've raved about them for 11 weeks, so thought we'd mix it up, as it was a straight forward win for them.
These guys are so good to listen to…James and Bryn analysis on the game is amazing 👍🏽
Excellent show (best in NZ) but would be good to hear some analysis of why the Chiefs are going so well.
That 6-2 split question is a great debate point. The ABs definitely have the open play personnel for it, with Vaai coming on for Brodie/Whitelock, Dalton for Cane and Jacobsen/PitaGus/Blackadder for Barrett/Ardie. But the tactic usually works better for teams that have a gameplan which focuses on set-piece dominance and foward-oriented phase play, for lack of a better word, Ill just say it works for teams with good "structures". The Abs havent developed a solid enough structure/blueprint for success to go for this. I also doubt the Abs have the front row to dominate SA/FR/IRE at their scrums, nor do they have a maul solid enough to push over those teams. A 6-2 split means no DMac(unless he starts at 10), and potentially none of Telea/Leicester/Stevenson/Narawa? Rather than trying to match the other teams in their structured phase-play, I think the best bet is to lean on NZs open/broken play capability.
Rene Ranger was a monster when it came to bumping people off as well , probably one of my favourite power wingers 36:57
The danger of going with a 6/2 split was perfectly demonstrated in the Leinster vs Toulouse semi final, Toulouse went with the 6/2 split within 10 minutes of kickoff the outside centre gets injured and the entire gameplan was then in the bin.
Cant expect Will Jordan to set the world on fire immediately after being out for a while it will take him a little bit of time to find his feet again having said that he still played well
Inga the winger... thank goodness someone said something. ❤
Great to see Jordan back, was impressive for someone who hadnt played since last year, same for ALB with the Chiefs, looked reallly good for someone whos been out for so long!
Consistently the best super rugby analysis around-well done another great episode.
Scott Barrett has to start as does Retallick and Whitelock.
Excellent analysis as always
Question: As JP constantly mentions, "games are won up front", it's probably no surprise that one of the most obvious correlations among all RWC winning teams is the strong and consistent emphasis on forward dominance, particularly in set piece. Historically, successful teams have had powerful and skilled forward packs that can dominate the opposition, provide a solid foundation for attacking play, and exert control over the game. Currently, Ireland have a pretty formidable pack with some of the world's best players like Porter, Furlong, Van Der Flier, Doris etc. France, similarly have the likes of Willimse, Aldritt, Baille, Ollivon, Flament etc. And there's also the Springboks who are almost defined by their dominant forwards. These are the 3 teams the All Blacks will need to face in order to advance past the early stages of the RWC, and over the last few years the ABs have always been working on their physicality, so much so that it's all they talk about sometimes. So it's clear the AB coaches see this as an important work-on. How are the All Blacks forwards tracking in this space and do we have the power to challenge these other teams in the forwards considering they all seem to be currently more well resourced and prepared? And with that, we always talk about "bolter" outside backs but who in the SR teams has displayed the kind of dominance and physicality that could push them into the AB RWC squad in the forwards, if any?
Love the show by the way, from all the way over in Brazil!
spot on. as a unit the french forwards are the world's best at the moment - mobile, fit, strong, mostly young - the platform they set will win them this year's world cup.
Whoever chose the 90s theme song at the start and finish knows they are cool as ice. Awesome choice for a theme.
A question from Kurt Koroi, for gyp more so, who do you think was faster on the auckland wing, doug howlett or rupeni caucaunibuca.
Although not as known in Super rugby hemisphere, I'd put Josua Tuisova over Nadolo as a top power winger
Re the Highlanders recruitment difficulties. Yes they're competing with Moana Pasifika, but there's more than a few other kiwi players that didn't get picked up by any NZ based Super squad and are now featuring in Aussie squads - Stacey Ili, or Ollie Sapsford come to mind. There's so much focus in the NZ franchises on signing kids out of high school straight into academies that they risk missing out on late bloomers ala Conrad Smith or Adam Thompson.
Bryan Williams was the original power winger.
Completely agree!
The Highlanders are much like the Wallabies. If they can get their best 23 all on the team sheet each week they're a real threat but over the course of a competition their lack of depth hurts them. They have some outstanding juniors coming through but it's a bit early in their development just yet. A draft or transfer system would be ideal in the Highlanders situation as you pointed out. A couple of other fringe super squad members would make a huge difference to their side - especially if they were back e.g Chay Fihaki, Levi Aumua or the likes.
Bryan Williams, John Kirwan...
37:40 oi sole, thats the wrong Naholo uce 😄
2:28 ball in two hands like Ben Smith
Chiefs are in Taranaki this week :)
So is the Naki the place to be? It's a pretty shit place.
@@richieflood3923 lol yeah and then back to Hamilton next week I am off to that one should be a good game :)
One question is the box kick. Understand if gettin no go foward. Otherwise makes 10 to 20 metres but gives a great chance for other side to take an can punish. Just wonder why?
Box kicks can be really effective if they're done with accuracy but most of NZ hbs are poor at it, they kick either far too deep or too infield best box kicks are right on the touch line give you a chance at either contesting the high ball or taking the catcher out into touch getting the ball back! Conor Murray a few years back was really good at it!
It's like a grubber kick they only come off sometimes
@@Trajan2401 More chance of a grubber coming off then a box kick two very different arts
@@Saiyan4eva yes the box kick is more of a territory and see what happens type of kick whereas the grubber is more of an attacking kick
it sux when they do this in your own half ,in fact it just sux
Not to mention Wendall Sailor and Lote Tequiri as power wingers. ABz had a tough time handling them.
But the Wallabies had a great side then they dominated the 90s and early 2000s it was their golden era not hard to look good when you're in the best side which Australia were then
Jordan looked a tad skinnier than usual. Should be back to full weight in no time. Maybe I'm just seeing things. Anyway, good to see him back. Up the chiefs tho..
Portia Woodman on Mount Rushmore, best finisher in the game!
Kiwan and Williams were amazing wingers, but are not power wingers.
John Kirwan
Jonah Lomu
Julian Savea
Bryan Williams
As for the ladies
Abby Dow (ENG)
Naya Tapper (USA)
Lydia Thompson (ENG)
Portia Woodman (NZ)
@@bremCZ That's a matter of opinion
@@JaemanEdwards Not really. They just weren't big powerful guys. Kirwan was a lanky bugger and Williams was about the size of Damian McKenzie.
They might be on the Mt Rushmore of NZ wingers, but certainly not power wingers. Like they said Inga was the first.
@@bremCZ
Damien mckenzie
5ft 9 81 kgs
Bryan Williams
5ft 10 89 kgs
John kirwan
6ft 4 91 kgs
BG and JK were the prototypes for the modern power winger. For their era, they were big.
With Moana Pasifika I think they missed a trick, given the number of Magpies players in their original squad playing at least one game at McLean Park in Napier could well have helped them bring in a big crowd and push them to a win in a tight game.
Question: Has Beauden Barrett stalled since moving to the Blues?
Who needs a Mount Rushmore when a statue of Lomu at Eden Park would suffice 🤷♂️
Question for the lads: Top 3 backs that could have been great forwards and vice versa, and what positions?
Ardie in centre? Nonu as #8?
Obviously number 1 is Pine Tree.
@@CallumInns Israel Folau - no. 8
Jonah Lomu - no. 8
Sonny Bill Williams - no. 8
Zinzan Brooke - 2nd five
Ian Kirkpatrick - 2nd five
Ardie Savea - centre
Victor Vito
This show puts the breakdown to shame
No Chiefs analysis especially considering the best tries of the season?
Is that Real Estate company an official sponsor of the show?
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Given they are all injry free come RWC selection time, who misses out (not sure whether the Abs will take 4 or 5 outsides given Damo, Jordie and Beaudy can play 15).
Will Jordan
Leicester Fainga'anuku
Caleb Clarke
Mark Telea
Shaun Stevenson
Emoni Narawa
JIPPA Forgot about DMac. If the ABs ever go 6-2 DMac is the perfect 23rd man.
Drua are good. They gota believe it.
Still trying to find the intro/outro song
Hey. It's production music, made specifically to use for TV show title sequences etc.
@@RossKarl ahhhhh I see, thanks for letting me know
We don't have characters in NZ rugby because we're a conservative country who tears others down for being different. Tall poppy syndrome is very much real in NZ.
I don't wanna see players out of positions, leave Jordan at 15, leave Barrett at the lock, leave the 10s at 10 and stop doing 2 10s on at once, stop letting the Barretts kick our possessions away, it's that simple.
Akira can cover backs?🤣🤣🤣🤣
no way should caleb Clarke be in the 23 at this stage
seems like a bunch of Crusaders fan boys on this panel . cant wait till Blues end their wining streak again.
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Why is the Blues vs Crusaders match-up the biggest rivalry while the Chiefs can full out trash and still find a way to beat the Crusaders. In my books that puts the Chiefs vs Crusaders as a bigger rivalry in the comp.
Traditional rivals that don’t like each other that goes back 100 years , doesn’t mean they are the two best teams
Question: Why are substitutes, that are doing drills behind the deadball, line continually allowed to enter the field of play when a try has been scored. This is actually having more than 15 players on the field which is illegal? Shouldn't WR do something about this and if not why can't Super Rugby just stamp it out. It's annoying and it's just ridiculous all this jumping around like a cheerleader.
Love you Bryn but i have zero faith in the ABs this year if your mate Mounga is the starting 10.
Yes he unfortunately goes missing in crucial games
cheifs ?
Sorry but Akira Ioane is just a flat track bully. Against the really top teams and the physicality goes up he goes missing. I hope he is nowhere near the AB squad this year or next.
The problem has been , no one has put their hand up and said I’m the answer at 6 since kaino .
Barrett looked to be the best option at times last year even though he is a lock.
Sorry 30 if done right. But dont like em