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  • @majorkill
    @majorkill  6 місяців тому +93

    TLDR : Girth beats wit
    Get Girthy with the new Machines of War update for Tacticus by downloading it here : play.tacticusgame.com/major-mow
    Use my code MAJORMACHINE for a cheeky bonus gift ;)

    • @withlovefromlightindust591
      @withlovefromlightindust591 6 місяців тому +1

      Hello Majorkill,
      Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.

    • @LupercalRising
      @LupercalRising 6 місяців тому

      Dude are you going to co-op Space Marine 2 with Valrak?

    • @girthbrooks398
      @girthbrooks398 6 місяців тому

      Couldn't agree more

    • @tilted_axis9819
      @tilted_axis9819 6 місяців тому

      Fist beats scalpel

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 6 місяців тому +466

    0:18 Alpharius: "I have a special spear that can shear molecules into atoms!"
    Rogal Dorn: "Chainsaw sword go brrrrrr."

    • @jerryreynolds5700
      @jerryreynolds5700 6 місяців тому +24

      Dorn said: “…No…”

    • @phantomwraith1984
      @phantomwraith1984 6 місяців тому +3

      It was Omegon

    • @justsomekid5971
      @justsomekid5971 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@phantomwraith1984or was it???

    • @Taintedmini
      @Taintedmini 5 місяців тому +3

      @@justsomekid5971 In the book, after Dorn kills Alpharius, it does mention Omegon, on the other side of the galaxy at that moment felt his twin die, and for the first time felt truly alone.

    • @steve20097
      @steve20097 5 місяців тому +2

      I think that a chain sword would go something like brrrbbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrrrbrbrbrbreembrrrreeeeemmm

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 6 місяців тому +462

    "I knew the risks I calculated are great but man, I'm bad at math!" - Alpharius or Omegon probably when facing Rogal Dorn

    • @iloveplayingpr
      @iloveplayingpr 6 місяців тому +22

      In this case it's just that Dorn is too good at math.

    • @vilneil
      @vilneil 6 місяців тому +13

      @@iloveplayingprman so good at math but some how cant read 😂

    • @beaglator
      @beaglator 6 місяців тому +4

      @maltheri9833 ..yeah man, that’s part of the joke :/

    • @clydedoris5002
      @clydedoris5002 6 місяців тому +2

      They were all alpharius

    • @bajsmongo2000
      @bajsmongo2000 5 місяців тому +1

      @@iloveplayingpr Dorn was like " you forgot to carry the 1" and then chainsawed him in half.

  • @kayvaanmcsharrowkyn6901
    @kayvaanmcsharrowkyn6901 6 місяців тому +230

    ALPHARIOUS - "Brother?"
    DORN- "WE'RE NOT TALKING" *proceeds to chainsword the shit out of Alpharious

    • @bradholeman13
      @bradholeman13 6 місяців тому +12

      good idea as dorn knows alpharius can trick him even though dorn knows alpharius is a liar

  • @NekrialofTheUnshapedTable
    @NekrialofTheUnshapedTable 6 місяців тому +147

    Alpharius now in the warp: "Exactly as I planned"

  • @mrckapm2241
    @mrckapm2241 6 місяців тому +84

    Alpharius: "Brother?"
    Dorn:I played a lot of Mortal Kombat when I lived on Inuit.....

    • @tonitapola7811
      @tonitapola7811 6 місяців тому +13

      GW should really go for a Mortal Kombat style fighting game with primarchs. And also a kart racing game, that used to be a must for every franchise.

  • @jacobdarling1524
    @jacobdarling1524 6 місяців тому +200

    The real Alpharius was the friends we made along the way.

    • @mjboots4926
      @mjboots4926 6 місяців тому +7

      I am Alpharius. This is a lie.

    • @jacobdarling1524
      @jacobdarling1524 6 місяців тому +5

      @@mjboots4926 sounds like something Omegon would say

    • @stormtrooper7177
      @stormtrooper7177 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@mjboots4926 I am Alpharius. This is a lie.

    • @ZTheTinyTonTerror
      @ZTheTinyTonTerror 6 місяців тому +1

      THE ALPHARIUS, THE ALPHARIUS IS REEEEAAAAAAAL!

    • @Channel-23s
      @Channel-23s 6 місяців тому

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@stormtrooper7177I am Alphaegon and this might be a lie or truth 🤷‍♂️🗿

  • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
    @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 6 місяців тому +51

    The battle of Pluto was the final battle to return Pluto's status as the ninth Planet.

    • @bradholeman13
      @bradholeman13 6 місяців тому +4

      planet pluto forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
      @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 6 місяців тому

      @@bradholeman13 Shut Up Alpharius!!!!

    • @lucasirvine4194
      @lucasirvine4194 6 місяців тому +3

      This is Canon. The Horus Heresy was actually solely because of it 😅

    • @GenuinelyHorriblePerson
      @GenuinelyHorriblePerson 5 місяців тому

      It was well worth the lives lost. Long live the official planet pluto.

  • @martintheaquilanshield3917
    @martintheaquilanshield3917 6 місяців тому +194

    Fanon; Alpharius is somewhere, ploting something..
    Canon: currently a headless courpse, rotting on Pluto.

    • @Popirnot
      @Popirnot 6 місяців тому +16

      No I'm Alpharius

    • @sylvananas7923
      @sylvananas7923 6 місяців тому +15

      Sounds like what Alpharius would say, pretend to be dead while actually somewhere ploting something

    • @Lazare7782
      @Lazare7782 6 місяців тому +11

      That’s the great part about alpharius, they can always bring him back

    • @seankioi7884
      @seankioi7884 6 місяців тому +3

      I am alpharius 😂​@@Popirnot

    • @FMirage2000C
      @FMirage2000C 6 місяців тому

      Should we say the legend ? Just like the legend universe of SW?

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 6 місяців тому +64

    4:15 He takes after his Rogal Dorn's trademark mustache and metal arm.
    Like father, like son.

  • @the-wanderer111
    @the-wanderer111 6 місяців тому +81

    Alpharius: I didnt lose i merely failed to win.
    Dorn: Stop pretending to be my brother Son of Alpharius.

  • @Lulu-ex7fc
    @Lulu-ex7fc 6 місяців тому +22

    The contrast of these characters was such a great match up. You had the embodiment of static defense hunt down the embodiment of undercover saboteur

  • @ReinaSaurus
    @ReinaSaurus 6 місяців тому +29

    alpharius got too cocky. he thought himself as master of the situation but forgot that he never outdid other primarchs in direct combat. he couldnt assert dominance when he attempted to.
    props to omegon, the levelheaded of the twins here. i hope for an epic story full of conspiracies, assassinations, sabotaging and plotting.

  • @I-am_Alpharius
    @I-am_Alpharius 6 місяців тому +27

    Day 21: What if Omegon returned to the setting?. What would happen, how would Guilliman and The Lion react?. Would a pretty cool video idea

  • @johnpyrett4017
    @johnpyrett4017 6 місяців тому +19

    My thoughts on this are that Alpharius really didn't understand that Rogal was there to end a traitor primarch thus it was only after the route that the changes were made to terras defences. Alpharius was completely caught off guard by Rogals rage

    • @Khorne__
      @Khorne__ 6 місяців тому

      rogal autism

  • @Joni_Tarvainen
    @Joni_Tarvainen 6 місяців тому +42

    My reading of the Pluto ”incident” is that it was Omegon who fought Dorn and Alpharius faked his death by the hands of Guilliman.

    • @Bobrob1597
      @Bobrob1597 6 місяців тому +12

      I'll do you one more in true Alpha Legion fashion. Alpharius and Omegon swapped minds in the same way Alpharius swapped his mind with one of his marines. This means that the body of Alpharius died BUT it was Omegon who died. That means Alpharius still lives in the body of Omegon thinking he's the real Omegon (likely living as the modern Cypher). This also causes their memories to be altered to forget the change even happened in the first place. This could be undone with code words of course but they were never spoken. We also know that when Alpharius aka Omegon aka Alpharius died, Omegon blacked out. What if the reason he blacked out wasn't that his twin died as many people think, it's because his original body died instead? P.S. I think it was Ingo who died vs Roboute.

    • @Joni_Tarvainen
      @Joni_Tarvainen 6 місяців тому

      @@Bobrob1597 Yes, that is very plausible and I like the addition, since it furthers my reasoning for the original comment, even if with slight alteration. If I recall correctly they did swap their identities way before Pluto station, but it was never written down that they swapped back, which gives further ambiquity for the theory.
      Also if I’m not incorrect, the twin at Pluto station wore Omegon’s armor and spear. By them switching their identities it would make sense it was Omegon as Alpharius, but if they switched back ”off screen” for the lack of better term, it would himt towards Alpharius as Omegon, both very plausible options.
      I’m leaning towards the remaining twin being Alpharius, were it by conciously or as his twin since Horus let Alpha pretty much peace out from the Heresy face to face. I doubt he would have taken Omegon as seriously as Alpharius, but that’s just my biased view.
      If Alpharius was the first found, as he claims, my understanding/recollection is that Alpha Legion were originally the contigiency plan if the Imperium were to fall, but as it’s Alpha Legion it’s impossible to be certain.
      The remaining twin being Cypher is something I haven’t thought myself, but it would make sense due to their purpose as mentioned earlier. The fact that Cypher was stopped by Custodes in the Imperial palace and was told ”It’s not the time yet” when trying to get to the throne room with the sword he carries, would further the theory.
      Also the Alpha legionnaires in stasis under the palace whom requires their activation phrase for loyalist or traitor allegiance would drive the ”contigency plan” theory further.
      I truly hope Alpha will get their Primarch back one day. I think it would make a great storyline to activate the Legion under the palace as Loyalists to oppose Harrowmaster, who has denied the twins agenda and legacy and aims to bring Imperium down.

    • @AcerbusFive
      @AcerbusFive 6 місяців тому +2

      I also like this theory. It's said that they were one soul in 2 bodies, what If when one of their physical bodies died the soul went back to a point of origin... The other body. So in fact the soul becomes one again, thus completing Alpharius Omegon into one being.

  • @IamDeathIncarnate1337
    @IamDeathIncarnate1337 6 місяців тому +10

    I suspect that Alpharius said "brother?" because he realised he'd been played by Omegon all along.

  • @deltatea3192
    @deltatea3192 6 місяців тому +15

    One point of contention with the video. If memory serves by that point Dorn had already resolved to execute his traitor brothers and unlike a certain furry fuck Dorn doesn't fuck around. At this point even if Alpharius/Omegon surrendered he would more than likely put his chainblade through their forehead. Only rational option left would have been to disengage and flee.

  • @Omegon4065
    @Omegon4065 6 місяців тому +19

    My brother´s death hurted so much

    • @SafetyBriefer
      @SafetyBriefer 6 місяців тому +4

      I am Alpharius.

    • @Omegon4065
      @Omegon4065 6 місяців тому +3

      @@SafetyBriefer No Way, you are alive brother.

  • @KandyKane999
    @KandyKane999 6 місяців тому +5

    Dorn never listened to *anyone*. Even Nathaniel Garro, who was almost killed for trying to pass a message that Dorn absolutely refused to believe. I always thought that when he built all those walls that he filled his head with concrete as well.

  • @moncey1120
    @moncey1120 6 місяців тому +16

    Majorkill video with Valrak art? Sign me up

  • @legio-IV-Cataphract
    @legio-IV-Cataphract 6 місяців тому +12

    A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great

  • @nathant6655
    @nathant6655 6 місяців тому +3

    as always with the fall of each primarch, the death of Alpharius is tragic. (at least according to what i just heard) he was trying to serve the imperium the best way he knew how, but Alpharius didn’t realize that his brothers never caught on to his plans.

  • @walkinspierre-vil
    @walkinspierre-vil 5 місяців тому +1

    Pluto made that scene with malcador and the emperor some much clearer.
    They both had a primarch with different goals. Omegon basically fed alpharius to dorn.

  • @meme_sheepie3291
    @meme_sheepie3291 6 місяців тому +3

    Atleast alpharius has another crazy twin out there somewhere "Missing"

  • @Donquixote_doflamingo164
    @Donquixote_doflamingo164 6 місяців тому +127

    The real alpharius is still out there somewhere....

    • @MrTdub16
      @MrTdub16 6 місяців тому +15

      He dead

    • @Terran7th
      @Terran7th 6 місяців тому +17

      Yea hes out there in pieces after dorn executed him.

    • @slb797
      @slb797 6 місяців тому +3

      @@MrTdub16Yeah…Rogal Dorn is one of the most literal-straightforward Primarchs (no I am not thinking about TTS), if a Primarch could be tricked into thinking they killed a Primarch, it would probably be him or Angron

    • @airsoftpopcorn
      @airsoftpopcorn 6 місяців тому +4

      ⁠@@slb797how would him being straightforward make him easy to fool? He is very detail focused, i would think that makes him harder to trick. Plus, how would a non-primarch keep up with a primarch in a fight?

    • @anguswaterhouse9255
      @anguswaterhouse9255 6 місяців тому +8

      Alpharius is dead, no space marine could face Dorn in a one on one like that.
      And if the alpha legion could do that, then the imperial fist’s should’ve been slaughtered.
      MAYBE, it was Omegon not alpharius, but that makes even less sense give what we currently know

  • @logangrimnar3800
    @logangrimnar3800 6 місяців тому +98

    Dorn absolutely killed the real Alpharius, here. In their first interaction it was shown that Alpharius's tricks didn't work on Dorn, and that Dorn understood Alpharius methods and strategies better than Alpharius did.

    • @xzenitramx666
      @xzenitramx666 6 місяців тому +26

      Also dorn's power of being able of notice lies gift him an egde and the soul of alpharius its in the warp, tortured.

    • @wahbegan
      @wahbegan 6 місяців тому +6

      He absolutely killed one of them, but besides their names and maybe their loyalties, Alpharius and Omegon are essentially the exact same person so like

    • @tilted_axis9819
      @tilted_axis9819 6 місяців тому +1

      Isn’t that also true for the other primarchs? Feel like I remember Lion figuring it out on sight

    • @logangrimnar3800
      @logangrimnar3800 6 місяців тому +1

      @@tilted_axis9819 perhaps. But Dornd interaction with Alpharius was narrative foreshadowing. I should have said, Dorn killed the Alpharius he *meant* to kill.

    • @tilted_axis9819
      @tilted_axis9819 6 місяців тому

      @@logangrimnar3800 oh, I didn’t know it was laid out that specifically. I thought it was implied that all the primarchs could see through his tricks intrinsically

  • @advaitdhoundiyal435
    @advaitdhoundiyal435 6 місяців тому +19

    Can you talk about pets/animals that still exist in the 40k universe from the present age?

    • @dmoney8602
      @dmoney8602 6 місяців тому +1

      No.

    • @HydraulicDesign
      @HydraulicDesign 6 місяців тому +1

      Um there are creatures described as inexplicably similar to things we know throughout the galaxy. Having an actual cat is a big flex. The end.

  • @StratosFear221
    @StratosFear221 6 місяців тому +4

    Explainer idea: What goes on inside voidships? Playing Rogue Trader got me curious about the inner workings of these enormous ships.

  • @sovnya9140
    @sovnya9140 6 місяців тому +3

    i’m not gonna lie that alpharius “brother?” was pretty sad lol

  • @OneReallyGrumpyJill
    @OneReallyGrumpyJill 6 місяців тому +2

    Alpharius and Omega need more lore, because I think they need just one more scene with Alpharius having a breakdown upon realizing his failure, which then leads to him hastly coming up with attack on Pluto as a way to "help" loyalists without tipping off Horus.

  • @xavb5838
    @xavb5838 6 місяців тому +2

    "YO BRUH IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE." -Alpharius (probably)

  • @chrisdavidson1545
    @chrisdavidson1545 6 місяців тому +4

    Never recommended a video topic before, but one of my favorite characters in the Heresy is not a space marine at all, and would love to see your treatment: Szu-Ilya. The logistics specialist assigned to the White Scars at Ullanor

  • @Fnordygordon
    @Fnordygordon 6 місяців тому

    Another Majorkill promo to continue my addiction to Tacticus, this truly bring me joy

  • @fg1735
    @fg1735 6 місяців тому +2

    Will you make a video on each legion's best accomplishment/battle/victory? Counting unification wars, crusade and heresy

  • @ScattMatt3000
    @ScattMatt3000 6 місяців тому +1

    You know weshammer and majorkill are buds when they post the same hour😂❤

  • @KL-un8sf
    @KL-un8sf 6 місяців тому +5

    That George Pell line was dirty lmao

    • @AustralianBlueMage
      @AustralianBlueMage 6 місяців тому

      But deserved

    • @KL-un8sf
      @KL-un8sf 6 місяців тому

      @@AustralianBlueMage Nah he deserves a lot worse imo

  • @iguessimaweeaboonow1282
    @iguessimaweeaboonow1282 6 місяців тому +1

    man i've been watching majorkill since like 30k subs and man i miss the days when it didn't take him like 2mins to get into a topic

  • @ArtyomMikitich
    @ArtyomMikitich 6 місяців тому +4

    Let's do some IMPERIAL FISTING!!!

  • @yxngwood6536
    @yxngwood6536 6 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the code lad

  • @sqocks8254
    @sqocks8254 6 місяців тому

    It's nice to see you are still partnered up with tacticus, it has been pretty good so far. ^^

  • @paulstokowski1466
    @paulstokowski1466 6 місяців тому +3

    Idea for future episode - "Chaos Sisters of Battle - is it possible ?"

  • @trajanfidelis
    @trajanfidelis 6 місяців тому +2

    Maybe the real Alpharius was the friends we made along the way. Hydra Dominatus.

  • @Muhammad_Ahmad.
    @Muhammad_Ahmad. 6 місяців тому +4

    Bring Back Timmy. Video 73

  • @musicalDrebin
    @musicalDrebin 6 місяців тому +1

    it also doesn't help that Dorn is uncompromising to the point of being kinda unlikeable. i know some people love him, but too me, he seems like a genuine psychopath

  • @Haekeldrachen
    @Haekeldrachen 6 місяців тому +1

    Alpha Legion always gives me the headache with there shenanigans.

  • @raymondharnack4160
    @raymondharnack4160 5 місяців тому

    This is one of my favorite HH novels

  • @theaussieperspective
    @theaussieperspective 6 місяців тому +1

    Explaining how Vashtorr isn’t the Omnissiah would be cute xoxo

  • @12coudak000
    @12coudak000 6 місяців тому +1

    Video: immediate loyalist primarch reactions about finding out malcador has died and the emperor is on a golden throne forever.

  • @bobjones5674
    @bobjones5674 6 місяців тому +1

    Maybe the real Alpharius is the friends we made along the way.

  • @Lootmothgaming
    @Lootmothgaming 6 місяців тому

    Trying to outsmart Rogal Dorn is like trying to out fox a hurricane…

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 5 місяців тому

    Right off the bat, two bros wailing on each other.

  • @JONNYVLFBERHT
    @JONNYVLFBERHT 22 дні тому

    Always well done Brother!

  • @The_Keeper
    @The_Keeper 6 місяців тому +1

    Sounds like if Dorn had only disabled Alpharius, the Alpha legion would have remained loyal.
    In short, Dorn screwed the pooch.

  • @LupercalRising
    @LupercalRising 6 місяців тому +1

    Please talk about the White Scars retaking the Space Port during the siege using the Skye Orbital Plate

  • @jacobsnodgrass1888
    @jacobsnodgrass1888 6 місяців тому +2

    All 40K Titans vs Jaegers please

  • @sa9245
    @sa9245 6 місяців тому

    It is funny, when you first learn about the primarchs Dorn just seems like a gruff off-brand Guilliman. But the more you learn about him the more impressive he becomes. Definitely in my top 3 primarchs now.

  • @Juel92
    @Juel92 5 місяців тому

    I feel like Majorkill is Alpharius considering how much he wants us to think Alpharius is dead.

  • @ZacharyRoper256
    @ZacharyRoper256 6 місяців тому

    The Battle of Pluto and the lead up to it was underrated. Another series of battles that would be kind of cool to get more lore on (not Horus Heresey) would be during the Sabbat Worlds Crusade. Anything involving Gaunts Ghosts is interesting to me.

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 6 місяців тому +1

    5:24 Sigismund before he took the black and led the Templars.

  • @lucasdam6789
    @lucasdam6789 6 місяців тому +2

    would love to see a video about the 40k changeling demon 😀

  • @joekate121609
    @joekate121609 6 місяців тому

    Kel Silonius led the Alpha Legion fleet of over 200 ships in the subsequent Battle of Pluto. However when Alpharius himself seemingly was killed by Rogal Dorn, he ordered a retreat and seemed unconcerned with his Primarch's death, stating that the entire Legion is one.

  • @MrRockheaddevon
    @MrRockheaddevon 6 місяців тому

    Black gems, requisition and gold. Cheers majorkill

  • @Vantud391
    @Vantud391 6 місяців тому

    Warhammer's The Exodite got me intetested in Tau Navy. Please make a video about them, their strategy and battles they fought against Imperium Navy.

    • @dmoney8602
      @dmoney8602 6 місяців тому

      Not gonna happen.

  • @sasanahadian2859
    @sasanahadian2859 6 місяців тому

    Superb video as always @majorkill.
    Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions,

  • @stripeybag6977
    @stripeybag6977 6 місяців тому +1

    I like the black and green Alpha Legion colors almost more than the Teal.
    Day 512 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls and thank you

  • @dild0gagginz955
    @dild0gagginz955 6 місяців тому

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve" Alpharius Baggins

  • @amazedthrower6450
    @amazedthrower6450 3 дні тому

    I guess you can say alpharius has to split * drum noises*

  • @Sugarierspoon99
    @Sugarierspoon99 6 місяців тому

    This fight is one of the biggest reasons why rogal dorn is my favorite primarch and the seige of terra as a whole. (Also most powerful.

  • @tilted_axis9819
    @tilted_axis9819 6 місяців тому

    I like the idea that one of the only things we know for sure about the Alpha Legion is that their primarch is dead. Also Alpharius losing to a pretty direct strategy.

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 5 місяців тому

    Thanks Tacticus.

  • @bborox1
    @bborox1 6 місяців тому

    Please do the White Scars retaking the Lions Gate during the Siege of Terra

  • @dragonzbreath2353
    @dragonzbreath2353 6 місяців тому

    Alpharius: Haha checkmate Dawn
    Dawn: THIS GAME SUCKS *Flips table* *pulls out chainsword*

  • @dragonzbreath2353
    @dragonzbreath2353 6 місяців тому

    Half the comments: Serious thoughts on the videos contents
    The other half: Memes

  • @SolB808
    @SolB808 6 місяців тому

    Yo! MK you almost @ that 600K sub. The 1M edges close

  • @TheJacktor
    @TheJacktor 6 місяців тому

    I interpret the statue bit a little different if you think they're loyalist. Reads to me as "Rogal I stand with you: Alpharius"

  • @Артем-ф1р5т
    @Артем-ф1р5т 6 місяців тому

    Alpharius isnt dead and only emperor knows what goes in the heads of hydra legion.

  • @tylercross8877
    @tylercross8877 6 місяців тому

    So does Gulliman face Omegon in the scouring? Because there is some old lore about the Alpha Legion and Ultramarines duking it out post-heresy

  • @Coalition2298qy.
    @Coalition2298qy. 6 місяців тому +1

    Video idea what if the emperor of mankind wanted to be worshipped as a God and had created the esslarcy the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods

  • @MrFallenone
    @MrFallenone 6 місяців тому +2

    You are still confused about which twin is which. It was Omegon that died at Pluto. Alpharius was the one who remained on Terra and was trained by Malcador. He found his brother Omegon out in the stars. They switched names to reduce the risk of being recognized, since Alpharius already met with all the other Primarchs but Omegon the one found later, did not.
    That is the reason behind the line "I am Alpharius. This is a lie" and it is the only time he lies in the Primarch book. Those passages are not written by Alpharius because its Omegon who meets Horus for the "1st" time as the Primarch of the Hydra.
    Also "Omegon" reclaims his original name Alpharius after he feels his brother die.
    Remember it makes much more sense for Omegon to be a traitor since he was exposed to chaos during the scattering. Meanwhile Alpharius didnt even leave Terra. We know chaos played with the primarchs during their journey to the worlds they were found on. Planting many seeds of corruption. Perturabo being possibly the clearest example with him seeing the Eye of Terror for no particular reason as hes not a psyker.

    • @Yankyal1
      @Yankyal1 6 місяців тому +4

      This is just your head canon lmao why why are you stating this as fact?

    • @alpharius6708
      @alpharius6708 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Yankyal1it is hinted in the Head of the Hydra Novel. Also only one of them uses the Pale spear and that funky scale armor

    • @Khorne__
      @Khorne__ 6 місяців тому +1

      the author of the book said it was alpharius the one who died on the hands of dorn autism

  • @sagasilverwolf5242
    @sagasilverwolf5242 6 місяців тому

    I think Omegon knows that Alpharius was a Heretic and used his ego to make him go and attack Dorn

  • @personatthebay
    @personatthebay 6 місяців тому +1

    Never been here this early, so i guess ill ask what you think the custodes would do if the empreror died

  • @yoinkysploinky5102
    @yoinkysploinky5102 6 місяців тому

    The Alpha Legion are the most loyal traitors you'll ever meet

  • @mrrodriguezHLP
    @mrrodriguezHLP 6 місяців тому

    Alpha Legion's greatest weakness: hubris.

  • @Raffney
    @Raffney 6 місяців тому

    Alpharius the loyalist never died. Only Omegon the traitor.

  • @johnfolk1448
    @johnfolk1448 6 місяців тому

    There's many super less complicated ways of being loyal...

  • @Bobrob1597
    @Bobrob1597 6 місяців тому

    to this day we STILL don't know what Alphie said to Dorn other than Dorn calling it "a lie" :(

  • @randomcanadian6690
    @randomcanadian6690 6 місяців тому

    Alpharius sounds like dooku, thinking he can manipulate Anakin (dorn) with skill and mindgames but then he just gets overpowered and dies

  • @cody1570
    @cody1570 6 місяців тому

    Alpharus was the first found by the emperor. He did his homework on all of the primarchs as they were found. He was a loyalist. Omegon was the last found with no time to study any of the primarchs. Alpharus knew to never try to convince Dorn. Omegon would have made this fumble as he wouldnt have known. So the real one that was killed was omegon, alpharus is still alive.
    If your curious how i came to this info. Listen to alpharus the audio book. Good read.

  • @corbanhaire6942
    @corbanhaire6942 6 місяців тому

    Idk if there's a lot of lore on it, but can we get a series on what else was going on during the 13th black crusade. Like the battle for Medusa and the black library assault

  • @SmithBeswick-ek1rz
    @SmithBeswick-ek1rz 6 місяців тому

    Yeah new video let’s go

  • @richardcolbert7496
    @richardcolbert7496 6 місяців тому

    Ok, so let's break this down.
    Alpharius lives. Heres what im thinking. With bits from the books to back up this theory.
    Seige of Terra Book dorn does not confirm to sangy, khan or malcodor he has killed alpharius because he is unsure.
    During this book, praetorian of dorn, something that seems to have been overlooked.
    Is the discussion of transferring a mind to anothers body to perform an assassination. If the assassin dies, the soul returns to the original body.
    Also, a primarchs mind in a larger sm ie alpha legionnaire would give an edge and possibly enough to throw off a primarch like dorn who can be easily confused. Again, he has no idea of warp sorcery. He admits this in sot books the whole time or is called out for it.
    This is also 30k/40k.
    So magical bs is possible.
    Anyway, that's my theory.

  • @Masso-gy9yu
    @Masso-gy9yu 6 місяців тому +12

    Attempt number 60: what if the Primarchs were found in order of their creation.
    JOIN ME MY BROTHERS!!

  • @akigreus9424
    @akigreus9424 6 місяців тому

    I just know that by the end of it, Pluto was no longer a planet.

  • @NicholasGeschke
    @NicholasGeschke 6 місяців тому

    I truly believe, with absolute certainty that it was really the Primarch, Alpharius that Dorn killed on Pluto. Not an imposter, not some random Alpha Legionnare claiming to be Alpharius, but in fact, the one that the Emperor created in the same gestation capsule as Omegon. The one that the Emperor called son and Dorn called brother.
    Where is Omegon? I do not know.

  • @Bobbb-f3i
    @Bobbb-f3i 6 місяців тому

    The art of rogal dorn that started at around 04.35. shows him with a mechanical arm and maybe a leg too(the arm, you can see through it at wrist and it and leg are both grey but yellow and different armour) I can't remember hearing that he had implants. Is this just art or did he?

  • @bradholeman13
    @bradholeman13 6 місяців тому

    i have video idea: greatest human traitor heretics of imperium that arent chaos and/or astartes: examples admidistratum girl from watcher in the rain, govenor strahb of armegeddon, anyone who sold out world to tau or dark eldar, etc

  • @Roscoe113
    @Roscoe113 6 місяців тому

    We need more alpha legion lore

  • @TheEyez187
    @TheEyez187 6 місяців тому

    Alpharius wouldn't nuke the Imperial Palace; his triplet brother Epsilonius is held captive in the Custodes guarded cells beneath the palace!
    Only my head canon, but I think it holds some interesting possibilities!

  • @Masamune84
    @Masamune84 6 місяців тому

    Oh boy Praetorian of Dorn was a slog of a book to get through