I agree it’s not right you louse your10 grade but with the damage the old case did to the pack it’s not a true psa 10. Should do the same thing but send one into Beckett and see what it comes back as.
I feel like PSA keeps a database of the serial numbers of the packs they grade, so even if you take them out and get them regraded, they could just compare the serial numbers and still give it the same grade it got before.
@@naturehacked wait does the pack it’s self have a #? Cuz I just realized he’s just sending in the raw pack again so they have no way of seeing the label matched up with it right?
Nah. The packs if from the same set and printing and all that all will be identical. So there will be hundreds of thousands of packs that are all identical. No way to tell them apart
People just find it hard to understand that they are using essentially microscopes and computers to look at what they are grading. Stuff the naked eye cant possibly see.
I don't like the idea that you can send in a near perfect pack and get an 8 or 9, but if you send in for a new holder they will still give a 10 despite the pack being creased. So basically they are saying a creased pack is in better condition than a non creased pack. PSA be trippin. Lol.
yoo pokerev, the "rollers"across the pack, are actually the inprint of the pack that was on top of it. look at the pattern on the long crimp on the back from bottom to top, its the same pattern! also thanks for all the great content. you got me back into collecting after 17 years
I dont agree with the upcharge at all. If you pay 100 to send something in then it should be 100 regardless of condition.... Just don't think any company should charge you extra for no reason what so ever. Not like they're doing any extra work for it lol. Still a fantastic video!
Interesting, with an old style psa 10 going in for a reslab I guess it would have to stay 10, if not PSA would basically be admitting that the old style Slabs damage Boosters thus them being liable for a lower grade. 😀
Difference between 9 and 10 looked to be the centering of the graphic top to bottom in relation to the crimp. The 10 was crimped perfectly at the colour change (blue to silver).
@ 23:44 There is a jump cut and you grab a slab and say "Wait, hold on a second" Then it cuts back without mentioning what happened. Could you let us know what happened? I'm not trying to criticize, I'm just curious :)
Fantastic vid dude. I have a couple thoughts. What actually is the method of grading packs? what exactly are they judging? And 2. Happy that you kept your ten however - This means that a load of packs will be crossed over as tens when clearly they are no longer tens…. lol. And it’s PSAs fault.
You do this with cards too, saying it doesn't make sense to you. Here's a couple reasons why that may seem so: -PSA has upped their grading protocols using newer technologies so they should be a little more stricter than before (They also have to because European companies are grading harsher and that's what people want eventually) -The system they use for grading is unfamiliar to you because, simply, you don't work at PSA, so you have no real reference how they go about a grade, what makes you lose points etc, you might have a decent idea when it comes to cards but packs is a different ball story. If you ask me, PSA is only rated this highly because of the years they are in the game because their grading is surpassed by a lot of companies right now. (GRAAD, Becket, AP grading, CGC,..) Also, their slabs look like a traffic sign, maybe that works for sports-related cards but I think its absolutely horrendous with Pokémon cards. If American people are reading this, a lot of companies in the EU started accepting cards from the U.S. for grading. Much nicer range of slabs and no easy 10's. And most importantly, not a one-year wait and not 150 dollars a card. Don't get me wrong please, I still love Rev and the content he brings, I just think he should go outside of that PSA bubble :D
the only thing I have to say in disagreement is for value as a collector, psa is it my friend that's the standard cards have been held at, packs too, and so if you want to list value it's still psa and it will probably will be always psa unless they fall off suddenly. That being said I totally agree they're overrated but as collectors you can't deny their staying power. As a value alternative I much prefer bgs especially that sexy black label or gold, but there are much better alternatives for sure if you're just looking to grade, European included. Personally I'd go tga at the moment.
I think it’s the centering on the charizard art not the crimps. Cause the 8 charizard has abit of his nose off to the side of the pack whereas the 10 is better centered.
As someone who collects and grades packs, this seems to be the #1 factor for sure, so just co-signing Corgi's assessment on the centering of the Charizard on the pack, both horizontally, and vertically.
@@doodlenoi Nope. Remember people grade these and they can have slightly different values on what gets a 10 or 9. Even when following the tight conditions human error could always play into this and they could slip up on something. Its why people will just crack them open send em back and try get higher scores. It has happened a lot and will continue to happen.
Great video as always, Rev. But I'm pretty sure PSA takes the barcode of those packs. So when they are sent back in, they won't get another grade. Cards don't have that. I would do the same test with cards just to see if they are this consistent. Which I don't think they are. Anyway, great video, great content as always xD
But this video alone shows 2 mayor flaws with their grading. First the old packaging and second their mistake with packaging the charizard pack. They take so much money for grading and just fail to pack the pack correctly. They didn't even check before sending back.
also, whos to say they dont have revs previous subs on file with photos of packs barcodes etc to make sure they are grading the same, they might not of even regraded it, just looked it uip in their system and auto grade the same
Not sure what is going on but PSA has really started to go downhill. I have seen so many videos about them destroying cards when holdering, opening packs that went in sealed, etc. At this point, I don't think I would trust them with my cards. I have been sending to CGC and not only are they less expensive but they are very good about handling my cards with care. It is pretty hard to pull a 10 with them but I actually kind of like it because I know a high grade from them truly means it is a fantastic card.
I never understood why PSA is held in higher regards than beckett. Beckett atleast spells out all the issues with the cards and seem to be a lot more strict with giving that black label 10.
@@Shad0wgun I totally agree! Part of the reason I am using CGC is because they now have a reputation for grading pretty tough. So I know a 10 from them is well deserved. PSA is where I would send stuff that I know won't get a 10 from CGC but I really just want a 10 on my card. Sad but true.
That's pretty great that the grades are consistent. But that reholder service really gives a significant change to the way the packs look, the new cases definitely look a lot better. I am sure they keep track of which ones are done through the reholder and so they can pull up that info if needed, but people are going to question the way those packs look with the new cases for sure.
I was generally expecting them to come back at different grades. I'm so happy that they actually kept their original grades. It would be really bad if PSA grinding wasn't consistent.
I wonder if they take pictures of packs/cards they grade and save them under your name in a Database, then when you resend stuff in they can check to see if its a resend and give it the same grade. Especially with packs, and the crimp cuts they can see thats its a resent pack
They def have to keep the grade if they switch the cases. I understand the pack isn’t tech “mint” after they crease it up but they owe ya. It is a tough spot because it makes it a “low 10” but new case looks way better so I think it’s worth it to keep for display at the very least
They really don't have much choice! If they lowered the grade it would basically be admitting that they screwed up and damaged gem mint 10 packs. Imagine the backlash and lawsuits! Ouch 😂
@@marcusjay8103 😂😂 yeah that would’ve been the end of PSA, man I understand the amount of cards and pcks they’re getting but how to mess up that pack…makes you want to open the pack to see what they butchered lol
Grading packs has been a nightmare for me too. I sent out 2 base set packs, a fossil and a rocket, and they all came back psa 8. I can say personally, the fossil deserved it, but the rocket and 2 base were flawless, no scuffs, no rash, no crinkles. I’m even thinking about cracking them open and submitting them again.
I think the reslabbed one is wrinkled a bit, but I feel it is not not a big factor in their grading. They probably check the constancy if the centreing of the pack and seems
I was thinking of grading some of my favorite cards and didn’t realize the higher value cards cost more to grade. Thanks for the little tidbits here and there to keep us updated
A PSA Gem Mint 10 pack is a virtually perfect pack that should exhibit pristine corners and edges, which are free of any holes, tears or wear of any sort (including not having any wear to the corner folds). The seal on the reverse must be virtually undisturbed and free of any soiling or toning. The sealed folds on the reverse must also lay flush to the pack and not exhibit any lift from the seal. In addition, the pack must be "fresh" in appearance and free of any water or mildew damage to the wrapper or gum in order to qualify for this grade. There may be an allowance made for a small printing imperfection as long as the pack still shows superb eye appeal. Note: The top card within a cello pack must be centered approximately 65/35 or better. On psa
I'm not a conspiracy guy but I would just like to remember everyone that there is a chance for them to track the pack once they graded them once (ex by scanning the pack code ecc) and if someone resend the pack they would just find the pack in the database and reevaluate them the same. I think a big company like PSA may have predicted that someone would try to resend cards or packs to check the attendance of the grades.
Ofc is that what they are doing. You need to use your brain a little bit to understand it. PSA is a trash grading company. They just profit vecause of their name popularity.
And they way they put the first pack in the case speaks for itself. 0 professionality there. A grading company should be careful even when they pick them. People pay alot of money for this things to be as clean as it can be.
As you’ve already graded them once before wouldn’t the unique barcode on the pack be in their system, so they would possibly know that they had already graded those packs.
Ya thats what I was kind of wondering, seems like they would definitely have a way to tell just so they don't end up looking stupid like giving something a 7 or 8 then a youtuber sends it back in and gets a 10 or something crazy like that...
They 100% just check the UPC/EAN/ISBN specific code on the back of the packs. As if they wouldn’t save this within a database to protect themselves from what you were trying to prove/show :)
The imperfections on the front that Pokerev said were from rollers are what DeepPoketMonster coined "crimples". They're from the crimp on the back of another pack sitting on top of the pack with the "crimples"
You should also consider that booster packs have serial numbers, so PSA can distinguish if packs have been sent in previously or not. They just gave you the grades they already had documented with them
Now I am curious, Do you think PSA Scans the Barcodes on these packs when they are graded? That way if they are resubmitted PSA will still have it in their database on what grade that particular pack was ... It's great to see perfect consistency but, a perfect grade match on all the packs, not one miss ...
The packs are graded off of centering of the pack art, some are off left to right. They also are graded on quality of the pack like crinkles or cuts or dirt or scuffs. They are also graded on the cut of the pack like the tops and bottom.
Consistency is good, but if I purchased the recase zard for 10 price and it arrived creased like that I wouldn’t be too happy, the 8 looked so much more visually appealing. Its a tricky call.
Dude I was holding my breath when you were turning the pack in the new case. And you kept your cool way more than I would after seeing that pack messed up.
the foil above the crimp is noticeably thinner in 10 and wider in your 8 the 10 has one line on the seal and the 8 has 3 in case anyone is still confused haha
The first case you opened from the back to the front so you had to remove the extra layer, the second one you opened from the front so the crimp holders were just floating :) Great stuff my dude so interesting how they grade all of these with them being so dang close in appearance.
They must be smoking some serious stuff down at the PSA! Their whole system is a joke and so inconsistent. Would it even be that hard to explain why they downgrade items? especially for the price people pay and also when they give 10's to items they've clearly damage and don't want to compensate for. Thank you so much for the vid Rev, totally love your content but I truly can't believe what I just watched! utter madness on PSA's behalf. This doesn't prove how good PSA are, it clearly shows they need a system overhaul and fast! and lets be honest, you all know you couldn't sell that pack on as a PSA 10, despite what the label says. The pack was never a 10 from when they first squeezed and folded it into that tiny case lol
The truth is they knew the cards you sent in were from previous grading, they check the UPC code. This is how they protective themselves from what you were trying to experiment with. So technically this didn’t prove much.
@@MeatballMedic Yes but this one was sent by that specific account. So when they brought him up maybe realized he sent in a similar product. I wonder if they register it. Unless he sent them out under a different account name. I say crack that baby open, create a new account and send it again. I am as curious as you are if they really have a accurate grading scale.
They should mark the reholders with something on the label. like previous PSA 10. I saw a video where someone cracked open the old case and got a worse grade.
The reason for the lower grades is because the old slabbing method in my opinion creased and damaged the packs. This is why I never submitted packs until recently. The new issue is the total inconsistency in how they grade packs currently. I would get 10's on some packs that have more issues on the packs I got 8-9 on. They even caused one of my higher value packs to pop open and still charged me $200 for the grading servide. The grading fee was for telling me the pack was altered??? Damaged $1000 pack and $200 for the grading service. Great customer service from PSA.
Could it be about the alignment of the seperate colours of the prints as well. Most things that are printed have colour alignment dots or squares somewhere on the box or pack for the printer to align the printing plates . Just a thought .
Only true way to test conspriracy theories is unslab and use a sharpie on it somewheres small but noticable and see if they change the grade, otherwise you can tell they just check serial numbers
My man looks at the back of the packs which have different details according to the pokemon in the front (a bit of fire for charizard, water for blastoise and vines for bulbasaur) and still guesses wrong which one they are?
I think the difference is in the centering of the pack art, the 8 looks like it was off to the left a lot, the blue front part was overlapped to the back of the pack. Other than that the 8 looked better overall to me *shrugs*
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They should just add “(Recase)” or “(Old-recase)” to the label, glad they gave it a 10 again at least!
yeah true, but u will still be able to see that it is a recased grade because of the serial number, even without the information
I agree it’s not right you louse your10 grade but with the damage the old case did to the pack it’s not a true psa 10. Should do the same thing but send one into Beckett and see what it comes back as.
They have this with comics so that’s kinda wack that there isn’t already this for cards
Very interesting. Thanks for the time and effort. Definitely increases my confidence in PSA.
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I can finally trust PSA to grade my grimoire cards
I feel like PSA keeps a database of the serial numbers of the packs they grade, so even if you take them out and get them regraded, they could just compare the serial numbers and still give it the same grade it got before.
Was thinking the same thing, a simple search prob tells them what it was, and then they laugh cuz someone wasted money to get the same thing lol
This actually makes so much sense
@@naturehacked wait does the pack it’s self have a #? Cuz I just realized he’s just sending in the raw pack again so they have no way of seeing the label matched up with it right?
Nah. The packs if from the same set and printing and all that all will be identical. So there will be hundreds of thousands of packs that are all identical. No way to tell them apart
People just find it hard to understand that they are using essentially microscopes and computers to look at what they are grading. Stuff the naked eye cant possibly see.
PSA has no idea why they give a specific grade to anything.
I'm glad they kept your grade, and put it in the new slab!! I can't believe that's how they used to grade the packs though.. 🤦♀️🙈🥲
I don't like the idea that you can send in a near perfect pack and get an 8 or 9, but if you send in for a new holder they will still give a 10 despite the pack being creased. So basically they are saying a creased pack is in better condition than a non creased pack. PSA be trippin. Lol.
yoo pokerev, the "rollers"across the pack, are actually the inprint of the pack that was on top of it. look at the pattern on the long crimp on the back from bottom to top, its the same pattern!
also thanks for all the great content. you got me back into collecting after 17 years
I dont agree with the upcharge at all. If you pay 100 to send something in then it should be 100 regardless of condition....
Just don't think any company should charge you extra for no reason what so ever. Not like they're doing any extra work for it lol.
Still a fantastic video!
only reason i see it reasonable is insurance purposes on your end, not them making money
Interesting, with an old style psa 10 going in for a reslab I guess it would have to stay 10, if not PSA would basically be admitting that the old style Slabs damage Boosters thus them being liable for a lower grade. 😀
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Back in the old cave! Interesting grades. I heard DPM taking about the centering of the art too. Thank you Rev for taking the hit for science!
Man I thought this entire video was going to be in the old cave, haha
I laughed out loud when he said “no that’s just my spit” LMAOO
Difference between 9 and 10 looked to be the centering of the graphic top to bottom in relation to the crimp. The 10 was crimped perfectly at the colour change (blue to silver).
Can’t believe they would fold em up an shove them in the old case like that!
“thats my spit, that’s just my spit”😂
The "roller" is probably the seal on the back of the pack that was sitting on top of it in the box
If BGS grades packs, maybe they would be able to tell you what they grade for.
Wow so much content in 1 video! Thanks REV we appreciate your videos!
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@ 23:44
There is a jump cut and you grab a slab and say "Wait, hold on a second" Then it cuts back without mentioning what happened. Could you let us know what happened? I'm not trying to criticize, I'm just curious :)
Fantastic vid dude. I have a couple thoughts. What actually is the method of grading packs? what exactly are they judging? And 2. Happy that you kept your ten however - This means that a load of packs will be crossed over as tens when clearly they are no longer tens…. lol. And it’s PSAs fault.
This was not how I predicted this going at all. Happy for you that it worked out. Very informative video.
I think the reason why they are consistent is because they have a serial number for each pack in their system for the grade they gave it before
You do this with cards too, saying it doesn't make sense to you.
Here's a couple reasons why that may seem so:
-PSA has upped their grading protocols using newer technologies so they should be a little more stricter than before (They also have to because European companies are grading harsher and that's what people want eventually)
-The system they use for grading is unfamiliar to you because, simply, you don't work at PSA, so you have no real reference how they go about a grade, what makes you lose points etc, you might have a decent idea when it comes to cards but packs is a different ball story.
If you ask me, PSA is only rated this highly because of the years they are in the game because their grading is surpassed by a lot of companies right now. (GRAAD, Becket, AP grading, CGC,..)
Also, their slabs look like a traffic sign, maybe that works for sports-related cards but I think its absolutely horrendous with Pokémon cards.
If American people are reading this, a lot of companies in the EU started accepting cards from the U.S. for grading. Much nicer range of slabs and no easy 10's.
And most importantly, not a one-year wait and not 150 dollars a card.
Don't get me wrong please, I still love Rev and the content he brings, I just think he should go outside of that PSA bubble :D
Hello, could you list some of the EU companies?
the only thing I have to say in disagreement is for value as a collector, psa is it my friend that's the standard cards have been held at, packs too, and so if you want to list value it's still psa and it will probably will be always psa unless they fall off suddenly. That being said I totally agree they're overrated but as collectors you can't deny their staying power. As a value alternative I much prefer bgs especially that sexy black label or gold, but there are much better alternatives for sure if you're just looking to grade, European included. Personally I'd go tga at the moment.
I think it’s the centering on the charizard art not the crimps. Cause the 8 charizard has abit of his nose off to the side of the pack whereas the 10 is better centered.
As someone who collects and grades packs, this seems to be the #1 factor for sure, so just co-signing Corgi's assessment on the centering of the Charizard on the pack, both horizontally, and vertically.
Yea but the psa 10 Zard in the older style case has the same issue that nose is way off to the side, so…
@@boomfuq8277 true true I honestly dk whats going on there haha
The 9 is off more than the 8 though so can't be that...
I've been waiting for someone to crack something PSA 9 and resend it to see if it retains the same grade! AWESOME VIDEO Thank You :)
All depends who rates it. Its like Logan Paul got a Charizard regraded at Beckets 10 while Pokeking got a 9 for the same card.
Feel like that was more of a marketing move from Becket.
@@doodlenoi Nope. Remember people grade these and they can have slightly different values on what gets a 10 or 9. Even when following the tight conditions human error could always play into this and they could slip up on something. Its why people will just crack them open send em back and try get higher scores. It has happened a lot and will continue to happen.
This is possibly the best Pokémon grading/general Pokémon video on UA-cam
Great video as always, Rev. But I'm pretty sure PSA takes the barcode of those packs. So when they are sent back in, they won't get another grade. Cards don't have that. I would do the same test with cards just to see if they are this consistent. Which I don't think they are. Anyway, great video, great content as always xD
Who ever is lining these out, aren’t building my house, had me rolling
LOL same, the way they had those packs in the case, stay away from the foundation of my house
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This video honestly gives me a lot of faith in PSA. It's awesome at least to see that they are being consistent with pack grading.
But this video alone shows 2 mayor flaws with their grading. First the old packaging and second their mistake with packaging the charizard pack. They take so much money for grading and just fail to pack the pack correctly. They didn't even check before sending back.
@@taubenkonig4403 Fair point!
also, whos to say they dont have revs previous subs on file with photos of packs barcodes etc to make sure they are grading the same, they might not of even regraded it, just looked it uip in their system and auto grade the same
@@Kaybe7 Also a fair point, but that would also be speculation, and honestly I would rather they do that than there be inconsistency in the grading.
Not sure what is going on but PSA has really started to go downhill. I have seen so many videos about them destroying cards when holdering, opening packs that went in sealed, etc. At this point, I don't think I would trust them with my cards. I have been sending to CGC and not only are they less expensive but they are very good about handling my cards with care. It is pretty hard to pull a 10 with them but I actually kind of like it because I know a high grade from them truly means it is a fantastic card.
I never understood why PSA is held in higher regards than beckett. Beckett atleast spells out all the issues with the cards and seem to be a lot more strict with giving that black label 10.
@@Shad0wgun I totally agree! Part of the reason I am using CGC is because they now have a reputation for grading pretty tough. So I know a 10 from them is well deserved. PSA is where I would send stuff that I know won't get a 10 from CGC but I really just want a 10 on my card. Sad but true.
That's pretty great that the grades are consistent. But that reholder service really gives a significant change to the way the packs look, the new cases definitely look a lot better. I am sure they keep track of which ones are done through the reholder and so they can pull up that info if needed, but people are going to question the way those packs look with the new cases for sure.
I just started watching I can’t wait to finish
Absolutely awesome video bro, I not only learned a thing but enjoyed the journey. Great job Rev!
I was generally expecting them to come back at different grades. I'm so happy that they actually kept their original grades. It would be really bad if PSA grinding wasn't consistent.
I wonder if they take pictures of packs/cards they grade and save them under your name in a Database, then when you resend stuff in they can check to see if its a resend and give it the same grade. Especially with packs, and the crimp cuts they can see thats its a resent pack
was thinking the same, also packs barcodes etc could be on file
This was a great idea for a video! Nice job bro, as usual!
They def have to keep the grade if they switch the cases. I understand the pack isn’t tech “mint” after they crease it up but they owe ya. It is a tough spot because it makes it a “low 10” but new case looks way better so I think it’s worth it to keep for display at the very least
For some reason I don't think they were planning on changing the grade even if they wanted to, Rev kept everything in great condition
They really don't have much choice! If they lowered the grade it would basically be admitting that they screwed up and damaged gem mint 10 packs.
Imagine the backlash and lawsuits!
Ouch 😂
@@marcusjay8103 😂😂 yeah that would’ve been the end of PSA, man I understand the amount of cards and pcks they’re getting but how to mess up that pack…makes you want to open the pack to see what they butchered lol
this is actually amazing and great for the TCG community, this proves their knowledge and worth for all of us, thank you for this great video !
If they reholder into the new ones they will dock the grade for sure. I think you’re right about them sending it back in the same old case.
Did you watch the video? He got it back in a new case with the same 10 grade.
@@Dillon-Cawthon No way! I was watching this in a waiting room and never finished it. That’s actually awesome.
Grading packs has been a nightmare for me too. I sent out 2 base set packs, a fossil and a rocket, and they all came back psa 8. I can say personally, the fossil deserved it, but the rocket and 2 base were flawless, no scuffs, no rash, no crinkles. I’m even thinking about cracking them open and submitting them again.
I think the reslabbed one is wrinkled a bit, but I feel it is not not a big factor in their grading. They probably check the constancy if the centreing of the pack and seems
What about the UPC code and number on the pack? does PSA not track that with each pack?
I think the reslab of the charizard 10 shows that psa is not grading the tops and bottoms but more the pack art and backsides
I was thinking of grading some of my favorite cards and didn’t realize the higher value cards cost more to grade. Thanks for the little tidbits here and there to keep us updated
A PSA Gem Mint 10 pack is a virtually perfect pack that should exhibit pristine corners and edges, which are free of any holes, tears or wear of any sort (including not having any wear to the corner folds). The seal on the reverse must be virtually undisturbed and free of any soiling or toning. The sealed folds on the reverse must also lay flush to the pack and not exhibit any lift from the seal. In addition, the pack must be "fresh" in appearance and free of any water or mildew damage to the wrapper or gum in order to qualify for this grade. There may be an allowance made for a small printing imperfection as long as the pack still shows superb eye appeal.
Note: The top card within a cello pack must be centered approximately 65/35 or better.
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I'm not a conspiracy guy but I would just like to remember everyone that there is a chance for them to track the pack once they graded them once (ex by scanning the pack code ecc) and if someone resend the pack they would just find the pack in the database and reevaluate them the same. I think a big company like PSA may have predicted that someone would try to resend cards or packs to check the attendance of the grades.
I think that’s exactly what they are doing now. I think after partnering with a company that does this kind of scanning
Ofc is that what they are doing. You need to use your brain a little bit to understand it. PSA is a trash grading company. They just profit vecause of their name popularity.
And they way they put the first pack in the case speaks for itself. 0 professionality there. A grading company should be careful even when they pick them. People pay alot of money for this things to be as clean as it can be.
As you’ve already graded them once before wouldn’t the unique barcode on the pack be in their system, so they would possibly know that they had already graded those packs.
Good point
Exactly what I was thinking
the barcodes are the same on all packs.
Awesome video!! I know you took a lot of time to put this together, all the knowledge was definitely helpful!! Thanks Rev 😭🖤🙌🏻
“Roller press” is the pack flap from the pack sitting above it in the booster box
What if they know the bar codes from the back of the pack and they get scanned? They could see these already came through grading!
Ya thats what I was kind of wondering, seems like they would definitely have a way to tell just so they don't end up looking stupid like giving something a 7 or 8 then a youtuber sends it back in and gets a 10 or something crazy like that...
To me the difference between the 10 and 9 zard packs to me it looked like the print vs silver on the crimps was off top to bottom
There is centering for packs too. You can see the difference between the 10 and the 9
Video (1/2 way through) is already 🔥👌. Lots of good questions...
They 100% just check the UPC/EAN/ISBN specific code on the back of the packs. As if they wouldn’t save this within a database to protect themselves from what you were trying to prove/show :)
The imperfections on the front that Pokerev said were from rollers are what DeepPoketMonster coined "crimples". They're from the crimp on the back of another pack sitting on top of the pack with the "crimples"
Pretty cool experiment! Thanks for sharing
You should also consider that booster packs have serial numbers, so PSA can distinguish if packs have been sent in previously or not. They just gave you the grades they already had documented with them
I think if they re-case the packs, they should have a special symbol or an extra line of text that would indicate a re-casing.
Awesome video. Finally the questions I have are being answered!!
I heard they weigh the packs and if it's heavy, they grade them higher to keep you from opening up a zard 😂
Damn son this makes sense lol
What a good idea for a video!! That’s awesome that the first 4 packs came back with the same grades!
Now I am curious, Do you think PSA Scans the Barcodes on these packs when they are graded? That way if they are resubmitted PSA will still have it in their database on what grade that particular pack was ... It's great to see perfect consistency but, a perfect grade match on all the packs, not one miss ...
A smart person
Looks like pokerev rev went detective mode on these packs 😆
The packs are graded off of centering of the pack art, some are off left to right. They also are graded on quality of the pack like crinkles or cuts or dirt or scuffs. They are also graded on the cut of the pack like the tops and bottom.
The charizard 8 is definitely off centered.
This was really informative! Thanks for doing it! I don't think they should dock the grade. Happy that you got it in a 10 again 👌
Consistency is good, but if I purchased the recase zard for 10 price and it arrived creased like that I wouldn’t be too happy, the 8 looked so much more visually appealing. Its a tricky call.
Dude I was holding my breath when you were turning the pack in the new case. And you kept your cool way more than I would after seeing that pack messed up.
“Whoever lined this up I wouldn’t want them building my house” 😂😂
the foil above the crimp is noticeably thinner in 10 and wider in your 8
the 10 has one line on the seal and the 8 has 3
in case anyone is still confused haha
The first case you opened from the back to the front so you had to remove the extra layer, the second one you opened from the front so the crimp holders were just floating :) Great stuff my dude so interesting how they grade all of these with them being so dang close in appearance.
They must be smoking some serious stuff down at the PSA! Their whole system is a joke and so inconsistent. Would it even be that hard to explain why they downgrade items? especially for the price people pay and also when they give 10's to items they've clearly damage and don't want to compensate for.
Thank you so much for the vid Rev, totally love your content but I truly can't believe what I just watched! utter madness on PSA's behalf. This doesn't prove how good PSA are, it clearly shows they need a system overhaul and fast! and lets be honest, you all know you couldn't sell that pack on as a PSA 10, despite what the label says. The pack was never a 10 from when they first squeezed and folded it into that tiny case lol
Wow! That was super interesting! Thank you!
The truth is they knew the cards you sent in were from previous grading, they check the UPC code. This is how they protective themselves from what you were trying to experiment with. So technically this didn’t prove much.
The UPC code is the same on every pack. What are you talking about?
@@MeatballMedic Yes but this one was sent by that specific account. So when they brought him up maybe realized he sent in a similar product. I wonder if they register it. Unless he sent them out under a different account name. I say crack that baby open, create a new account and send it again. I am as curious as you are if they really have a accurate grading scale.
They should mark the reholders with something on the label. like previous PSA 10. I saw a video where someone cracked open the old case and got a worse grade.
"For the air-flow of the pack" I love it.
interesting video rev! would love to see something like this again :)
I always have wonder how they'd did the grading great video rev very interesting and informative!
Imaginé there's a Charizard inside of one of those packs
haha I literally wrote this in someone else's comment, there's definitely a Charizard in one of those packs
This was really awesome to see, thanks for all your efforts!
“Not here to read this book.” 😂
The reason for the lower grades is because the old slabbing method in my opinion creased and damaged the packs. This is why I never submitted packs until recently. The new issue is the total inconsistency in how they grade packs currently. I would get 10's on some packs that have more issues on the packs I got 8-9 on. They even caused one of my higher value packs to pop open and still charged me $200 for the grading servide. The grading fee was for telling me the pack was altered??? Damaged $1000 pack and $200 for the grading service. Great customer service from PSA.
Could it be about the alignment of the seperate colours of the prints as well. Most things that are printed have colour alignment dots or squares somewhere on the box or pack for the printer to align the printing plates . Just a thought .
they saw your video on your hard drive months ago :D
PSA definitely has employees who watch all these big you tubers lol
I actually agree with the 10 being a 10. The crimps were the straightest and it only has one solid line down the crimp on the back.
When you sent the packs back, did you send them back with the labels or after?
Only true way to test conspriracy theories is unslab and use a sharpie on it somewheres small but noticable and see if they change the grade, otherwise you can tell they just check serial numbers
PokeRev you should get a UV lightstick as well cause with all grading they do uv scans to check surfaces and such
i would really hope you wouldn't want some random guy who was sealing packs to build your home lol
I’ve missed this cave 🔥
What a great experiment! Very informative.
My man looks at the back of the packs which have different details according to the pokemon in the front (a bit of fire for charizard, water for blastoise and vines for bulbasaur) and still guesses wrong which one they are?
I wish PSA displayed the weight of a pack on the label.
Could imagine, there could be a PSA 10 Shadowless Charizard in one of those packs and they wouldn't even know it
They def have high resolution pictures on file and just look up the data and can tell right away that they are the same packs
I think the difference is in the centering of the pack art, the 8 looks like it was off to the left a lot, the blue front part was overlapped to the back of the pack. Other than that the 8 looked better overall to me *shrugs*
youre a real one for doing all this work for us!!
Loved this video. Well thought out and planned.