Watching this movie as an adult just makes me sad. I specifically remember the scene where she folds the picture of her and Edward in half and tapes it in the scrapbook so that she can't see herself. She has such a deeply unhealthy lack of self-worth. Throughout the series, she continues to think she isn't good enough for Edward and doesn't understand why he loves her.
Yes! I actually deleted a whole section on self-worth from this video because it was running long, but I touch on it in the Twilight video. Edward also doesn’t feel worthy of her which is why they cling so desperately to one another.
It breaks my heart to read New Moon because Jacob was a wonderful guy who truly cared about her. Not because she was “mysterious” and he couldn’t read her mind. If the Cullens never showed up in Forks they would’ve fell in love and had a beautiful life together. I truly believe Edward robbed her of that.
I second that. Her relationship actually built up organically, instead of an instant “he’s so hot and mysterious/ can’t read her mind and smells nice”. Back then before Stephanie decided Jacob is getting too popular for her liking, he was really sweet. I wish there was an alternative universe series of sort exploring what would have happened if Bella never met Edward. Because let’s be honest their dynamic, the whole story around Emely, Sam and Leah is quite interesting, Jacob not being able to tell her what was really up could be an compelling conflict. But it could also end in yet another A/B/O romantasy story rotting on the shelves.
just a thought and wouldn't Jacob not be a match for Bella too as a significant other - perhaps more like a brother or best friend because Jacob does not hit that sense of puberty until he goes through the phase. please correct me if I'm wrong, that's what I got from the book 😅
It felt like Stephanie applied the “wise Indian” stereotype to Jacob. She made him faultless and all knowing, wise beyond his years. Somebody said it’s as is she accidentally made him a viable love interest for Bella, and had to drastically change that to make the readers team Edward again in eclipse.he deserved so much better than Bella, he deserved someone who cared about him. It’s like his sole purpose in the book was to keep Bella from killing herself, and we didn’t even get to learn a lot about him
That's a lie. Where did his heritage come into his relationship with bella? I think that's a projection from you tbh. She always intended have him as a viable love interest. She said it's you the fans who are putting nefarious motives on him. She even wrote Breaking Dawn in his perspective to stop yall from doing that. In your effort to attack Stephenie Meyer for something as harmless as Bella having a reliable friend in Jacob, you exposed your mindset. Like where does him being Native American come into his care and love for Bella. Absurd
@@ThandoNdlovu-zr3ldThat's a stupid take that I absolutely hate. All the trauma that Jacob went through at the hands of those vampires plus his transformation and how he deals with and processes that is not "character assassination". And anyone who says that I think doesn't understand Jacob or his role in the story. Edward was at his worst in the whole series in Eclipse,(taking out the engine and disabling her car, tailgating her, kidnapping her, instigating an argument between her and her father, threatening to kill her bestfriend etc...) and did no one say that was to make him look worse than Jake after new moon. In yalls effort to make Stephenie look bad yall exposing yourselves
If I remember the book correctly, she didn't hope he would come back which is even scarier- she just killed herself inside after their separation and lived only for the memory of him as a reminder of time when she still felt alive. But that's actually the dangerous thing about the situation. She didn't think of moving on, she didn't even want to, in fact, she refused to move on, because she believed that the love for Edward is the essence of her existence, but that's not love, that's in fact the obsession and lack of self-esteem. At this point, choosing Jacob actually feels like the right choice- choosing life and will to live instead of this dead state. Or, which is even more important, in other book she should've leave them both. They both tried to manipulate her and control her and if she chose herself instead of them, the series would actually end with a valuable lesson for young readers- to be strong enough to stay alone rather than be with someone with whom you are not free.
You said it very well, I get angry at Bella because she behaves like she can't get angry at Edward, otherwise he will leave again, or worse, she is not even angry at him. I was always team Jacob because at least he would put Edward in his place.
New moon book Jacob was husband material ❤ Bella described him as “beautiful” (so he’s attractive) and he was the best friend that she never had in her life. I’ll take him if she doesn’t 😂 I agree that Jacob showed Edward up so much that Meyer had to character assassinate him, to the point where Jacob imprinted on Renesmee “proving” that Bella & Edward were meant to be 🤔
I truly wish she gave Leah a better plot point, in Eclipse she introduced her and in Breaking Dawn we see why she’s so upset, not only does she have to be around her ex who is with her cousin now, but she has to share thoughts with teenage boys and her body stopoed growing, so she no longer feels like a woman. I love my little fan story about exploring Jacob and Leah being together. I mean, if imorinting has something to do with your genes picking the ultimate partner, then Leah would be the best choice. Once she stops phasing she starts aging again. What better genes would their be than being with another shape shifter. Making him imprint on Rasputin, I make jokes about her name, makes zero sense and she only did that to totally kill off any sort of fans Jacob had left.
Thats a sad excuse. A stupid take that I absolutely hate. Yall don't know Jacob's character at all do you. You expect that after everything that happened to him in Eclipse, for him to be the innocent naive boy that he was in new moon?? All the trauma that Jacob went through at the hands of those vampires plus his transformation and how he deals with and processes that is not "character assassination". And anyone who says that I think doesn't understand Jacob or his role in the story. Edward was at his worst in the whole series in Eclipse,(taking out the engine and disabling her car, tailgating her, kidnapping her, instigating an argument between her and her father, threatening to kill her bestfriend etc...) and did no one say that was to make him look worse than Jake after new moon. Like that's the whole point of the story. You know Sun and Moon= Eclipse. Jacob is the sun, he is Bella's light and salvation but Edward is the night. He ECLISPES all sense of ration and reason for Bella. Even the things that are good for her ie. Jacob her sun. Like how man time have Smeyer have to come out and say that yall are the ones attracting nefarious motives to him. That she had to write Breaking Dawn in his perspective because yall wouldn't stop??
@@SimmSummAlnost everyone got a shit deal in Eclipse. But Smeyer is writing the next Twilight book from Leah's perspective, so her story isn't finished. That's even where I got my @ from. I love Leah
@@SimmSummyeah I remember when the books started giving Leah more attention, I thought for sure she would wind up with Jacob. Idk what Meyers was thinking in the end she literally ruined everything 😭
How? He literally could have imprinted on some random girl at any time. Then where would Bella be? How could he truly BE with her knowing that at any given time he would imprint? I don't see how people don't see how selfish that is. His feelings for her would just go away when he imprinted and hers wouldn't. And based on the whole Sam, Leah, and Emily thing, je would just move on like it was nothing.
The imprinting concept was terrible for both the wolf pack boys who totally get robbed of their free will, and for the girls they imprint on. It’s also super heteronormative while excusing some creepy stuff. It’s the very worst idea in all the books.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193truly. I feel like she could’ve just made the wolves idea of love slightly different than human’s, almost like a “love at first sight is true for wolves” or like extreme monogamy almost? Idk it was just such a horrible concept and it really didn’t need to be
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193idk if it’s just heteronormative if it’s more reproductive. What would the point of imprinting be if they couldn’t reproduce. That being said, it’s still horrible since it completely removes their consent. Like the wolves literally can’t choose who they love or even go against their par tenets
My views on Edward changed so much after I read Midnight Sun. The inside of his head was so, so anxious - the fast pace, the back and forth, the suffocating control, constant rumination, the hypervigilance. I had to re-read all the books after that. Granted, I don't believe it excuses his behavior toward Bella, ESPECIALLY with how controlling he got in Eclipse, but I guess it just helped me understand him a bit more. I hated the way he treated ans spoke about Jacob, that superiority that he and his siblings perpetuated really rubbed me the wrong way even if the hatred was mutual between the vamps and wolves.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read the books in years, but I have read them many times lol. But weren't there also a supernatural biological element to it their feud? Because vampires even smell bad to the werewolves and vice versa.. they are meant to be on opposite sides 🤔
@@doyoufeardeath666 yes the vitriol was definitely two sided and down to the DNA, but I still cringed when the Cullens made certain digs at the wolves. Like insulting their intelligence, calling them children and muts, insinuating that they were beneath them. In my opinion, all the vamps carried themselves with a superiority. They definitely thought themselves above human beings, but the disdain for the wolves was pointed and personal. Ironic because in their stance as a superior being, they couldn't seem to be objective about how brilliant the Quilettes were. I think we saw that change in Breaking Dawn when Edward could tell how intricate their mind system was. Even then, it was very cerebral, not on the basis of them deserving respect and decency or being ridiculously intelligent.
As a parent, if someone was going to break up with my daughter and he had reason to think harm could come to her for it, like Edward knew harm could come to Bella, I would look highly on that person to talk to me and my husband first so that we could be prepared to make sure she’s safe and supported. I’m Team Everyone Get Therapy.
Yeah, I felt bad for Bella after Edward left her. It was so sad that I cried when I read it. Tbh my favorite was jasper Because of how compassionate he was. I didn’t really have a crush on Jacob or Edward back then. Just jasper. Jacob kissing Bella when he knew she didn’t want him to frustrated me. And then him acting like she was overreacting for being mad at him for that. If I were her I would’ve been pissed too. No means no
I feel like people need to analyze more Edward's behavior in this book, like this 107 year old kid is SO depressed, and nobody, not even Bella, tries to help him with these intense feelings of wanting to die and hurt himself
@@StephAnya I have, yes. And the more I read about Edward the more I see his self loathing and all that. Maybe I focus on this particular side of the story sometimes, because of my own experience with depression
Bella saw Edward as a means to an end, nothing more. Edward was supernaturally attracted to her blood. (Meyer really has a thing for taking away free will. It’s alarming.) Bella was attracted to a pretti boi who could make her to appear to physically stop aging. None of the vampires, especially Carlisle, cared about feelings. That fuck turned a recent rape victim, knowing vampires are frozen in the headspace they were when they were turned (perpetual trauma) as to be a GIFT to Edward. No care if she wanted Edward. Edward was single, so needed a partner, and a woman was offered to him. Who cares about her or Edward’s feelings.
True but the thing with depression is no one can really help you aside from yourself even if they wanted to. The struggle/problem isn’t ever outside is it? Its within.Bella & Edward are two people with a dysfunction the other hates himself while the other sees no self worth hence the dependency.
I hopped on the twilight train late. I was already in college (19 or 20) and already engaged in therapy when my coworkers dropped these books on my desk. I was team Jacob and then team nobody because Jacob may have been a better fit for Bella but Bella was absolutely a terrible fit for Jacob. Outside of the fact that those vamps derailed his life, he was pouring into her knowing that she would/could never reciprocate. He was willing to accept the absolute minimum from her and I just kept imagining what that would look like for him 5 years down the road if Edward never came back. Maybe I would feel differently if he was an adult opening up to an adult being patient with her and holding space for her to process and heal from her trauma but I just kept coming back to she’s using this kid and knows she’s using this kid and the kid knows he’s being used but he’s happy with it. I just thought Jacob deserved better than to be a crutch and Bella deserved better than a controlling century year old boyfriend. Edward just deserved prison (I still can’t get over him explaining how he decided to be a vigilante when he went off his diet and Bella being chill like girl that man is a m*rderer.) Looking forward to your next videos because the way the book tackled the Renesme Jacob situation was the biggest ‘im sorry what😮?’ moment of the series. My suggestion is the series a court of roses and thorns.
Eclipse is the worst of the books by far, the core three characters are all absolutely unbearable in that one. I think what I dislike the most about the books however is what a martyr Bella is in her own mind. She views everything that happens to her and everyone else's behavior as somehow being her fault to the point that she can't actually be held accountable to anything, because she'll just spiral into self-loathing until she has to be comforted lest she becomes suicidal. The narrative appears to want to frame this behavior as noble, when it's actually so destructive and completely unfair to the people around her. Not only can she not be held accountable, but she also strips others of any autonomy. If nothing can ever be your fault (because everything is hers) that also means nothing you do matters or has value. Having been at the mercy of someone with the same worldview, it's really gross and upsetting to me that anyone would romanticize that.
@@StephAnya maybe he was trying his best to convince her he no longer cares for her wellbeing. I think to him the break up and the idea that he doesn’t love her, is just an illusion to trick her in order to keep her safe. I think he was playing that up, thinking he had to make it super convincing. This highlights his disconnect to her thoughts. He underestimated how quickly she could be convinced he lost interest in her. In his mind not caring for her is the last thing he can imagine, but to her it’s the first thing she thinks of. He went overboard and hurt her to prove it’s serious, and solidify that he has changed. Maybe leaving her in the woods was also a safety net for himself. Like if he really hurts her in a way he views as unforgivable, it might stop him from ever going back later. This is the only idea I can come up with. Wouldn’t be the first time Edward’s behavior is completely contradictory. Otherwise leaving her alone in the woods makes zero sense😂
Based on the books, I fully agree that Jacob is the better choice. He was more mature and it was a healthier love for Bella to have. He could protect her, much like Edward could (although Edward was the reason why she was always in danger anyway). It's always wild to me how many more people were Team Edward than Team Jacob. In the movies, she really shouldn't be with either but I still think that Jacob was a better choice in the movies than Edward (if I HAD to pick one). Everyone that I spoke to seemed so upset at the prospect that Jacob's anger could hurt Bella but no one seemed to notice that Edward literally knocked through a glass table to protect her from Jasper because he was too strong. Whenever there is a love triangle in a story, I basically always like the person that will not be chosen. And it took me literally over 20 years to realize that it's because I love healthy love and that's less exciting for people as a whole.
You're making me want to re-read and rewatch this saga! I grew up with Twilight, but because it's been so long since it came out, this video is bringing up deeply buried memories. Now I'm wondering what I would think about the books & movies as an adult. Excellent analysis as always 👏🏻
I was in Middle school when the Twilight series came out. Read all of the books and seen all of the movies. Thank you so much for breaking this down! You’re absolutely right. I feel like I’m watching it through a totally different lens.
This video is making me feel good about being Team Jacob back in the day!!! I was a team Jacob girly not only because pre teen me loved the actor but because in the books he was so nice and what she needed. I haven't reread the books in YEARS now and my image of Jacob is mostly him in the movies and would be embarassed of ever being on his team. But you made pre teen me feel happy about her loyalty back in the day!
Congratulations on getting fully licensed! I am about 1.5 years away from graduating with my MFT Masters from NCU. SUPER EXCITED to have found your channel when I was first starting there in 2020 as I know you have mentioned you went there as well. It's been encouraging to see your journey as a therapist and content creator. I also love twilight but always knew they were problematic as I only saw the movies and was introduced in college (Got my BA in Psych). Thanks for the entertaining and valuable breakdown!
I think I know why he did the forest thing. Literally just thought of it watching this. Maybe he was telling the werewolves that he was gone and that they would need to protect her since they were leaving? Without actually saying it. He messed up on purpose so that they could rescue the day. And make them take the initiative? Honestly, I always was confused and thought that this was stupidly written because Edward would never do that. But maybe in this way?
They weren’t on the Rez though. It was still Cullen territory. In the book when the pack did go out they already knew the Cullens had left therefore meaning they could phase or go over on that part of the treaty line. I genuinely think he wanted to hurt her so she would believe his words and not hold on to the idea of him coming back, he said himself humans forget. He expected her to move on. People move on or hold onto anger when someone hurts them and in his mind he didn’t think she would want him back. That idea kept him away as well. If he wanted the wolves to take over or ensure her safety he wouldn’t have been so against them being around Bella. It wasn’t just Jacob he had an issue with- it was the entire pack. He didn’t trust any of them. Alice was shocked when she saw Jacob and stated how unstable they were. He probably wouldn’t have left if he knew they were still phasing and would be around Bella. He knew Jacob had the bloodline but I don’t think he expected them to phase cause the previous generation didn’t. He didn’t know them being there triggered it.
When he said “you’re not good for me” I always took it as him knowing it was a way he could keep her from wanting to be with him. Like break her heart so she could have a normal life. If he would’ve explained it as not wanting to put her in danger she would’ve still wanted him.
As far as Edward leaving her in the woods when he breaks up with her, I think it's one of 2 things: (1) he really wasn't capable of understanding her and so was thoughtless to the potential impact that would have on her (2) he did it in the worst way possible to make her hate him, be angry at him, so she had the best chance of letting go and moving forward. As far as him leaving, I think it was because he knew he wouldn't be able to leave her alone and stay away. That ended up hurting them both.
Seeing a lot of comments about Bella never really getting a chance to explore the relationship with Jacob romantically because of Stephanie and I agree. I also kinda think Stephanie is basically Bella. She’s obsessed with Edward. But objectively, I feel like the love triangle should’ve been even more intense with a greater question of who she would actually pick. Because what makes Edward different to everyone else for her is that he’s a vampire, he’s different. But Jacob is also a mythical creature and I just feel it would’ve been more interesting to see her fall really hard for that like she did with Edward and have to choose between them while actually being in love with both of them. But that’s just more for entertainment sake. In the books especially I always felt Bella had a superiority complex over Jacob which makes no objective sense given how she feels about Edward.
The part in the books that turned me from team Jacob to team nobody was when imprinting was introduced. After that it seemed selfish and cruel of Jacob to try a relationship with Bella because he knew that eventually someone would show up and he would have no choice but to leave her. And it's evidenced by the the Leah/Sam/Emily thing that fighting it doesn't work. After that it really did feel like she was his wolfy beard, like if it was in the real non-fictional world it would be like if he knew he was gay in a small conservative town. And he loves his best girl friend and thought that would be enough or that it's what's expected so he actively pursued her without telling her that he's not fully attracted to her. Then one day when from her perspective everything is good he'll cheat on her because he has finally found a gay guy that he can actually be fully in love with. The whole imprinting thing was gross anyway, but the fact that it seemed designed by the author because not every reader was team Edward really added to the assassination of Jacob's character. Maybe it was a "see readers he'll get his own soulmate one day, guaranteed" but it always felt to me super gross because it's shown that there's no choice at all. Even if you ignore the child grooming aspect, Sam tried to choose Leah, his long time girlfriend over Emily a girl he'd just met but nope resistance to the imprint equals domestic violence, so the whole thing felt more like "see no you can't like Jacob either because he'll leave Bella or hurt her trying to stay".
I really need to read the books again (along with midnight sun) cause I don't even remember what book jacob was like. I remember loving jacob after reading the book when I was younger but couldn't tell why when all I saw was his behavior in the movies. Once again, thanks for doing these videos. I really enjoy them.
I’ve come to the realization after rewatching the movies so many times that I don’t like Bella and Edward together because Edward was so controlling and manipulative, and Bella wanted to be a vampire to be with Edward instead of wanting to be a vampire because SHE was intrigued by the idea and experience. If she had talked about the things she liked about being a vampire then maybe I’d feel good about it, but like you said, codependency fuels her decisions. The biggest thing I came to realize as well is that I don’t want Bella and Jacob to be together either! But this time for Jacob’s sake. I guess I just feel like he deserves to feel chosen and loved fully. And he’d never get that with Bella. She has always used him and he’s accepted it and that’s just not what he deserves. Even Movie Jacob deserves better, and god I hate Movie Jacob…
The codependency aspect of Bella and Edward’s relationship have been the most interesting for me in these Twilight videos. I’m wondering, how does the codependency develop? Is it because they’re both young (even though Edward is technically over 100 years old lol)? Btw, I’m realllyyyyy loving these videos! So interesting to watch the movies through a different lens!! Can’t wait for Breaking Dawn Pt 1 and your thoughts of their disagreements as a married couple…
Edward is supernaturally attracted to Bella’s blood. She’s a “singer” (that’s that “personal brand of heroin” refers to), and Meyer has a kink for taking away free will. Bella’a attracted to the pretti boi who can maker her appear to stop aging. He is a means to an end for her, nothing more.
im so glad you talked about how sweet jake is because im a jake girlie and I often see that people are so eager to say that Jake is awful ignoring that a major part of SM efforts to make Jake look so bad almost always comes from a plece of a lot of racism, so thank you. Also I saw this theory talking about how Bella being around the Cullens probably have a reaction in her body similar to using drugs (because Edward often says how enamored humans are with vampires) and they leaving Bella left her in a withdrawal situation and I think it's an interesting take. Anyway, great video❤
I really wasn’t the biggest Twilight stan but I am still really enjoying this series! I love your breakdowns, they are super helpful. Sn: I’d love if a therapist made a book on what a healthy love story looks like.
Thank you SO much for identifying that Bella was clinically depressed. That’s not something you simply get over because a lot of your power and agency is being siphoned by this illness. So many fans missed the mark on that. I related a lot to Bella on how she was depressed after a trauma (trauma also may not be an event, but a long time suffering) not with catatonia but with seeking distractions to not deal with my hard feelings. I eventually came out of it and look back on that time like yeh, that was serious, it could have been a lot worse, I could have developed disorders and comorbidities that became chronic. Teens have intense feelings that are often dismissed by adults but because they’re still growing up, cannot be expected to have fully developed capacities to cope with them. They need support. I have seen very capable strong adults crumble and cause worry for their loved ones. Recovering from trauma should be a forefront in the healing process. Glad Bella had her dad. Their relationship was the BEST I appreciated in the whole series. He never put her down even though he often didn’t know what to do and he reminded me of my own parents and close friends who never gave up on me ❤. P.S. I was always Team Bella. Team Bella. I did not stutter.
I, too, was and still am a team Jacob girlie. Edward pmo when he left Bella the way he did, and Bella pmo taking him back so easily as well as how she treated Jacob when he was her safe space for so long after Edward left. And thank you for mentioning how the movies doesn’t reflect Jacob’s character in the books! I prefer book Jacob, too. This was a great breakdown! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can’t wait for Eclipse. It’s my favorite book, and “Fire & Ice” is my favorite chapter, I can’t wait for the breakdown 🫶🏾
I didn’t expect to learn so much about myself and past relationships from this video, having seen and read all of the series. So many mind blown moments as you broke down her symptoms. great insights! Thank you!
I think I was always Team Edward, and I'd say I'm "Team Edward" now b/c at the end of the day, Bella only ever loved Edward, and Edward DID care for her, but I did want Jacob to find love and happiness cuz he was definitely A+ bf material! BUT. BUT BUT BUT. They DEFINITELY need therapy to have a healthier relationship, and adult me very much appreciates that and looks forward to hearing more of your breakdowns b/c I'm too lazy / don't have time to go back and re-read / re-watch the series with a "binger of couple's therapy content" lens lol.
Perhaps because of what happened with the Volturi she felt a lot of different things and almost forgot to reprimand what he did by flat out leaving her. However it’s not super realistic that she trusts him again wholeheartedly right away. It was a missed opportunity for character development and to break some of that codependency. The most frustrating part of the books/tv for me was how Bella kept insinuating the wolves weren’t as strong as the vampires. Like stop playing with them, they were literally designed to destroy vampires 😅.
As an adult my mind keeps drawing parallels between the descent Bella's mind makes and The Yellow Wallpaper short story. So many red flags that were missed when I first read the books.
This is really satisfying to watch, thank you :) I also really liked these high school, then I was really put off by the movies, I felt like they were a bit boring and somehow failed to give the excitement the books did. I went through a phase of really hating the series haha. Now I’m a little more neutral, though I can’t say I really recommend it. But I was always fascinated by why I had such a strong response to it in high school, I can’t deny that I did, it was very strong and it lasted a while. Even though the relationships are messed up, this series hits on something deep in a lot of people. In high school, I understood that Bella would always choose Edward. But that sweetness in the initial friendship with Jacob, makes me team Jacob. I tend to excuse his later behavior because of that initial friendship. I would be really interesting to see what some healthy choices would look like…
I agree book Jacob was a better fit for Bella, but then again as you described, there are a lot of people who dont go for their "better fit". I also found what she said when she saw him in Italy to be very important in her healing process and that she was slowly becoming less co dependent because she had no choice to live without him when she said, "I can let you go now." And then they got back together and i was like oh my damn, she almost had a chance lol 🤦♀️
I love your videos, and I'm a twilight fan too (I read them in my 30s thou 😅). I was team Jacob all the way. Thank U for really look into this serie from the fan perspective, that was refreshing.
Loved the video, and love your channel! I'm a counselor-in-training and always find your videos helpful :) I'm team neither, since Jacob (spoiler alert if you somehow haven't read/watched Twilight yet) kisses Bella without her consent later on. But I agree that, without that detail, he's better for Bella than Edward is!
Things certainly change later on with him! I can understand team neither for sure. So glad that you’re finding the videos helpful during your training!!
I hate, I hate the character assassination Stephanie Meyer did to Jacob because to many people were rooting for him and Bella after new moon it's just not fair to ruin a good character because people weren't rooting as much for a toxic relationship. Justice for Jacob.
This is a great breakdown! I have been watching The Summer I Turned Pretty and the triangle in that show makes me reminiscent to the Twilight days. I think The Sumner I Turned Pretty would make a great topic for one of your videos as well! You can definitely explore therapy related topics with those characters/plot line 😅
I always saw the panic over aging in a completely different way than I think Meyer, and then the screenwriter and director of the movie intended. Because Bella is already a child acting like a parent to her mother and like a spouse to her father (obviously I don’t mean the sexual side, but the need to take care of the man she lives with), I feel that she is horrified over the idea of falling into the same role with Edward and with Jacob. She obsesses over this very thing when Jacob starts showing clear signs of wanting to be more to her. She refers to herself as a cougar and makes a hard line that it’s disturbing to her to be in a relationship with a child. Yes, technically, her opinion is completely valid as she is 18 and Jacob is 16 throughout most of the series. And that legally makes her an adult and him a child. But it’s also clear that she isn’t thinking legally. She means it intellectually. She doesn’t want to be a mother figure to Jacob or Edward. And I feel like this is such her default setting that she aware of this possibility and panics over anything that makes her feel older than Edward. That “grandmother” dream she has in this book and movie is paramount to this fear. She isn’t afraid of aging, to me. Rather she is terrified that she will eventually play the mother role in her relationship because she will one day look like Edward’s mother and then grandmother. And she knows herself enough to know that she’ll adapt that parental persona without realizing it. That’s why she is adamant about becoming a vampire. It’s not aging and dying she fears. It’s falling into her old pattern of being the parent in her relationships. That’s my perspective anyhow. As for Jacob… I loathe book Jacob and movie Jacob equally. And it’s not because I’m a fan of Edward. I loathe him too. The movies cleaned up both characters to me. Which I resented. Because their book versions were horrible and needed to be on full display. Especially during Breaking Dawn. But that’s a discussion for another time.
puhhhleaseeee keep these coming i love the book by book break downs! you are educating the young girls watching twilight fr , and anyone who’s been in relationships where they were mistreated or gaslit
Thank you so much for breaking down these books/movies that I was obsessed with at age 13! It’s quite insightful now that I’m in therapy myself to recognize how the behaviors and relationship patterns portrayed in the books/movies may have influenced my expectations on relationships😳 I read the books first and was definitely team Jacob, the movies however were totally different in this regard as you said and when it comes to the movies I was rather team Edward.
I love your channel, and it's interesting to hear your thoughts on fictional characters and relationships! I recently started watching Maid on Netflix, and I was wondering if you would consider reacting to that show. I would love to hear what you think about the characters and their relationships - I appreciate your compassionate and reflective insights ❤❤
I don't know if someone's already said this, but I think it's important to note that seeing people's spirits, or what might be called a "hallucination," could be culturally, spiritually, or religiously based. Seeing the spirits of others, whether that be a loved one, deity, or animal can be closely tied to their belief system, and not necessarily mean that they have a mental disorder.
3 weeks late, lol, but in the books when Edward leads her into the woods, he makes sure she can still see the house. He didn't know she would try to follow him 😅 Also, I read the books before watching the movies, and even with the added context, I've always been team Edward. I loved Jacob's character throughout New Moon, until we got to the end, and then in Eclipse he literally assaults her. That has always steered me far away from ever wishing Bella would've chosen him.
I was so much into team Jacob while reading the books as an adult. I just loved everything he could offer Bella, the example I love the most being the night they had pasta with his family and neighbours. As a kid, I just read the first book and was on this journey to reading all of them in english since it's not my original language. I stopped with Eclipse because I couldn't bare the part where Jacob "steals a kiss" from Bella and it's basically assault. I still feel sick to my stomach remembering she tries to fight back and gives up because he is too strong, so she just stands there and "let him finish". The way Charlie reacted to knowing the kiss was stolen, not consensual, also made me sick, because this comes from a book aimed at girls in their 13 it's so revolting how normalized it was. I blame the author, tho, because everything that is not healthy is what she writes as desirable in a love relationship. I would be team Jacob untill the end, but this ended my playfull engagement with the series.
You are right. When i was younger i thought edward was the best, but reading the books as an adult the way i am now, i realize that jacob was the best. And edward was possessive and controlling. Jacob, before the cullens came back, was sweet, warm, caring and paid attention to what upset her. He made her happy. i want a rewrite of the series at that point. If the cullens never came back, what would jacob and Bella's life look like.
I‘ve always been Team Jacob but never fully realized how unfairly the movie treats him compared to the book - probably because Taylor makes the mist of what he‘s got and still manages to convey much of Jacob‘s sweetness.
After seeing your first video for Twilight. I immediately ran to this one, because I just knew you were going to break it down and rip it to shreds 🤣🤣🤣
Team Jacob. A warm body, a heart that beats, won't have to die to be with him. Leave your human family forever, killing to eat, drinking blood yuk! Killing endangered species to eat.
I read the twilight series when I was a teen and just recently rewatched the films again. & I’m desperately trying to remember if Stephanie Meyer actually gave Bella and Edward character development in the books. In the movies it’s like we never actually know why they love each other or how they fell in love. It’s like they hung out twice and boom they can’t live without each other.
I feel like when people talk about Edward stopping Bella from seeing Jacob, they are ignoring the reality of the supernatural element at play. We saw what happened to Emily because of Sam. This isn't just Edward being jealous and controlling. He literally believes Bella could die, and he believes that she doesn't fully understand how dangerous the situation is. Idk, personally, I would probably resort to some drastic measures if I thought the person I loved was in serious danger and they didn't understand how serious it was.
Love your videos ❤ i have not read the books or watched the movies in so long but I think I was team Edward. Interesting to see it from a different perspective as an adult :)
Oh my goodness. The teenage me that read the books was ALWAYS Team Edward, but now dealing with my own PTSD and attachment issues as an adult I understand why that felt better for me. But adult, healing me now would be team Jacob for sure! I think that level of care and compassion would have freaked my younger self out. The chaos of Edward at that time felt more comfortable unfortunately. 😢
Wait wait wait... Edward didn't leave Bella deep in the woods, he left her in the woods directly behind her own house.🥴 She's a dumba** for trying to follow him especially having knowledge of his superspeediness. 🤣 I'm so glad you made this video because it helped me understand her a bit better. The night terrors were always in the back of my mind, when listing her issues but the hallucinations were the main focus, for me. When I was in highschool, New Moon was my least favorite book of the saga because I didn't understand this reaction from her. Now I kinda get it... The trauma she experienced in the first book probably made her mental health worse. The obsession she has with Edward was intensified by the rescue. Then, ending up in the hospital probably destroyed the little bit of self-esteem she had left. Imagine having a boyfriend that's practically indestructible and you still almost die because of your own naivety...🤦♀
I love your perspective on Jacob and Bella. I haven’t read the books in a while, so I hadn’t remembered that he’s very different from the way he’s seen in the movirs
Adding more to this. I was always team Jacob. I’m still convinced she would have been better off with him in the end if Edward had just kept his promise and stayed away from her. People don’t give Jacob enough credit for starting to help heal Bella at a time in her life when she was feeling hopeless. My friend always looks at me in horror when I say I’m team Jacob. Oddly amusing to me.
I always felt that Bella should be with Jacob. I read this as a 9th grader because it had just came out. I never liked Edward from jump and New Moon made it clear to me he was toxic. Eclipse cemented it for me. Jacob was so young and I always loved that he offered Bella the world and meant it in high school. My husband reminds me of him honestly.
Hi Stephanie, thanks for giving us a detailed breakdown of the relationship dynamics and toxic behaviour traits!! Really appreciate it and love the series ❤ May I ask, even for a mature and mentally strong caregiver like Jacob, would he/she be able to provide support long term for someone like Bella, without it taking a toll on himself/herself? It sounds very draining and it seems no matter how much love the caregiver can give, it would still be rather draining 😢
Absolutely love these! Thank you for sharing with us 🙏🏽 One dynamic I was really curious about is Harvey Specter and Donna Paulsen. Do they have a healthy relationship? I started rewatching it since its now on Netflix 😅
I really enjoy your breakdown of the Twilight relationship dynamics. Listening to your analysis actually lends both the movies and the books more depth - albeit deeply dysfunctional depth - than I was able to discern on my own. On a technical note, the organization of your presentation is top notch: clear, rational, and deeply engaging. I especially love the notepad on the side. What FONT did you use for that? It is beautiful and I would love to find it and maybe use it in some of the personal journaling I do.
When i first read Twilight i was rooting for Bella to end up with Edward because it reminded me of when i had my high school crush on the cutest and most mysterious guy in school but then as i started to read the other books i fell in love with the Jacob and Bella dynamic which is my ideal love story; where deep friendship turns romantic ❤
This is why I’m team Jacob as I have explained myself that Bella went out of her way as she lead him on based on the ulterior motives she had. Jacob in the movie was so loyal to her and she straight played him like a violin and ppl who realize the truth will still ignore it like eh
2 words of advice for the Cullen kids in the opening of the book... Edward: Be aware of Bella not being indestructible. Remember that you know how to not shove humans so hard into furniture that they collapse. Alice: Bella's quite klutzy. Maybe save the China and glass decorations until she's a tad less clumsy, or a bit more indestructible. Finally: As stated in this video, Edward, make sure Bella makes it back home safe before you take off.
I liked Jacob in the first books much more then the movies. I stopped reading the books after New Moon because Bells had zero character development. I had to watch the movies in rehab years latter..
This was super interesting! I was always team Jacob ever since New Moon was published simply because Jacob is so good in the book. He's not perfect but no one is and he is a book character after all, but so much better than Edward.
I find it so interesting that no one is bringing up the toxicity of Jacob and Bella being a supposedly viable option. I know that Steph made great points about Edward being toxic to her because he's literally a predator and she's prey, but Bella can be harmed as well by Jacob. Not for the same reasons, but harmed none the less. Hence Jacob pushing her away so much at first after his evolution into shifting. He could harm her like Sam Uley harmed Emily Young, which was a very real and legitimate concern. On top of the fact that he also doesn't age! With every time he shifts into his wolf form, this attributes to his own immortality which makes them unmatched. Plus... we can't leave out his uncontrolled ability to imprint on someone. And since he didn't imprint on Bella, he could've done it with someone else, thus causing Bella to be in the same position with him like she was when Edward left. The comparison very clearly being shown as the love triangle between Sam, Emily and Lea. Looking at this from an unromanticized, therapeutic perspective, neither of them are a good match for her.
Also, Jacob had times when he would get mean and say hurtful things to Bella. How is that healthy? Like, we need to get over thinking he is "hot" and see it for what it actually is. Yes Bella used Jacob as a bandaid and that was wrong. Edward was a vampire and everything they feel is intense and he NEVER had those feelings for q girl in his existence so he had no idea what to do. I truly rhink people are just obseesed with how Jacob looks and not his true personality. He wasnt all that great.
I think the part of the movie when Jacob,Bella and Mike went to the movies and he got out Character because that is when his transformation was starting. That’s also why he left.
I have PTSD ... you right...still I don't understand how I feel, I don't understand my reactions...I do therapy cause at this point I can't go on with my life as nothing happened. It's exhausting
Watching this movie as an adult just makes me sad. I specifically remember the scene where she folds the picture of her and Edward in half and tapes it in the scrapbook so that she can't see herself. She has such a deeply unhealthy lack of self-worth. Throughout the series, she continues to think she isn't good enough for Edward and doesn't understand why he loves her.
Yes! I actually deleted a whole section on self-worth from this video because it was running long, but I touch on it in the Twilight video. Edward also doesn’t feel worthy of her which is why they cling so desperately to one another.
True,the way in which it's romanticized is concerning
I don’t think the audience knows why Edward loves her either lol.
@@StephAnya we want the long videos. I want to know as much as you are willing to share about your thoughts
@@StephAnyaI love long videos! I would’ve loved to hear all you had to say but I also understand that would take more time to edit
It breaks my heart to read New Moon because Jacob was a wonderful guy who truly cared about her. Not because she was “mysterious” and he couldn’t read her mind. If the Cullens never showed up in Forks they would’ve fell in love and had a beautiful life together. I truly believe Edward robbed her of that.
yup.
I second that. Her relationship actually built up organically, instead of an instant “he’s so hot and mysterious/ can’t read her mind and smells nice”. Back then before Stephanie decided Jacob is getting too popular for her liking, he was really sweet. I wish there was an alternative universe series of sort exploring what would have happened if Bella never met Edward. Because let’s be honest their dynamic, the whole story around Emely, Sam and Leah is quite interesting, Jacob not being able to tell her what was really up could be an compelling conflict. But it could also end in yet another A/B/O romantasy story rotting on the shelves.
just a thought and wouldn't Jacob not be a match for Bella too as a significant other - perhaps more like a brother or best friend because Jacob does not hit that sense of puberty until he goes through the phase. please correct me if I'm wrong, that's what I got from the book 😅
Um...are yal just forgetting the fact Jacob wasn't in love with Bella at all.. only her womb...lol. yall have selective memory
i feel like y’all never really take in account the problems jacob had.. he had his issues as well
It felt like Stephanie applied the “wise Indian” stereotype to Jacob. She made him faultless and all knowing, wise beyond his years. Somebody said it’s as is she accidentally made him a viable love interest for Bella, and had to drastically change that to make the readers team Edward again in eclipse.he deserved so much better than Bella, he deserved someone who cared about him. It’s like his sole purpose in the book was to keep Bella from killing herself, and we didn’t even get to learn a lot about him
That’s true! And the Reneesme stuff is such an odd twist
Couldn't agree more @jazzywazzy I hate how Stephanie Meyer demonized his character to make Edward look better.
@jazzywazzy8906 Oh my gosh, that is such a good point!
That's a lie. Where did his heritage come into his relationship with bella? I think that's a projection from you tbh. She always intended have him as a viable love interest. She said it's you the fans who are putting nefarious motives on him. She even wrote Breaking Dawn in his perspective to stop yall from doing that. In your effort to attack Stephenie Meyer for something as harmless as Bella having a reliable friend in Jacob, you exposed your mindset. Like where does him being Native American come into his care and love for Bella. Absurd
@@ThandoNdlovu-zr3ldThat's a stupid take that I absolutely hate. All the trauma that Jacob went through at the hands of those vampires plus his transformation and how he deals with and processes that is not "character assassination". And anyone who says that I think doesn't understand Jacob or his role in the story. Edward was at his worst in the whole series in Eclipse,(taking out the engine and disabling her car, tailgating her, kidnapping her, instigating an argument between her and her father, threatening to kill her bestfriend etc...) and did no one say that was to make him look worse than Jake after new moon. In yalls effort to make Stephenie look bad yall exposing yourselves
If I remember the book correctly, she didn't hope he would come back which is even scarier- she just killed herself inside after their separation and lived only for the memory of him as a reminder of time when she still felt alive. But that's actually the dangerous thing about the situation. She didn't think of moving on, she didn't even want to, in fact, she refused to move on, because she believed that the love for Edward is the essence of her existence, but that's not love, that's in fact the obsession and lack of self-esteem. At this point, choosing Jacob actually feels like the right choice- choosing life and will to live instead of this dead state. Or, which is even more important, in other book she should've leave them both. They both tried to manipulate her and control her and if she chose herself instead of them, the series would actually end with a valuable lesson for young readers- to be strong enough to stay alone rather than be with someone with whom you are not free.
You said it very well, I get angry at Bella because she behaves like she can't get angry at Edward, otherwise he will leave again, or worse, she is not even angry at him. I was always team Jacob because at least he would put Edward in his place.
That’s a great point! She’s probably terrified to share when she’s angry after he left
New moon book Jacob was husband material ❤ Bella described him as “beautiful” (so he’s attractive) and he was the best friend that she never had in her life. I’ll take him if she doesn’t 😂
I agree that Jacob showed Edward up so much that Meyer had to character assassinate him, to the point where Jacob imprinted on Renesmee “proving” that Bella & Edward were meant to be 🤔
Yesss the Renesmee plot point was pretty desperate! It didn’t seem like that was planned from the beginning of her writing
I truly wish she gave Leah a better plot point, in Eclipse she introduced her and in Breaking Dawn we see why she’s so upset, not only does she have to be around her ex who is with her cousin now, but she has to share thoughts with teenage boys and her body stopoed growing, so she no longer feels like a woman.
I love my little fan story about exploring Jacob and Leah being together. I mean, if imorinting has something to do with your genes picking the ultimate partner, then Leah would be the best choice. Once she stops phasing she starts aging again. What better genes would their be than being with another shape shifter.
Making him imprint on Rasputin, I make jokes about her name, makes zero sense and she only did that to totally kill off any sort of fans Jacob had left.
Thats a sad excuse. A stupid take that I absolutely hate. Yall don't know Jacob's character at all do you. You expect that after everything that happened to him in Eclipse, for him to be the innocent naive boy that he was in new moon?? All the trauma that Jacob went through at the hands of those vampires plus his transformation and how he deals with and processes that is not "character assassination". And anyone who says that I think doesn't understand Jacob or his role in the story. Edward was at his worst in the whole series in Eclipse,(taking out the engine and disabling her car, tailgating her, kidnapping her, instigating an argument between her and her father, threatening to kill her bestfriend etc...) and did no one say that was to make him look worse than Jake after new moon. Like that's the whole point of the story. You know Sun and Moon= Eclipse. Jacob is the sun, he is Bella's light and salvation but Edward is the night. He ECLISPES all sense of ration and reason for Bella. Even the things that are good for her ie. Jacob her sun. Like how man time have Smeyer have to come out and say that yall are the ones attracting nefarious motives to him. That she had to write Breaking Dawn in his perspective because yall wouldn't stop??
@@SimmSummAlnost everyone got a shit deal in Eclipse. But Smeyer is writing the next Twilight book from Leah's perspective, so her story isn't finished. That's even where I got my @ from. I love Leah
@@SimmSummyeah I remember when the books started giving Leah more attention, I thought for sure she would wind up with Jacob. Idk what Meyers was thinking in the end she literally ruined everything 😭
Justice for book Jacob!! 😅 I remember reading these books in high school also and thinking that Jacob was like a big warm hug.
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How? He literally could have imprinted on some random girl at any time. Then where would Bella be? How could he truly BE with her knowing that at any given time he would imprint? I don't see how people don't see how selfish that is. His feelings for her would just go away when he imprinted and hers wouldn't. And based on the whole Sam, Leah, and Emily thing, je would just move on like it was nothing.
The imprinting concept was terrible for both the wolf pack boys who totally get robbed of their free will, and for the girls they imprint on. It’s also super heteronormative while excusing some creepy stuff. It’s the very worst idea in all the books.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193truly. I feel like she could’ve just made the wolves idea of love slightly different than human’s, almost like a “love at first sight is true for wolves” or like extreme monogamy almost? Idk it was just such a horrible concept and it really didn’t need to be
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193idk if it’s just heteronormative if it’s more reproductive. What would the point of imprinting be if they couldn’t reproduce. That being said, it’s still horrible since it completely removes their consent. Like the wolves literally can’t choose who they love or even go against their par tenets
My views on Edward changed so much after I read Midnight Sun. The inside of his head was so, so anxious - the fast pace, the back and forth, the suffocating control, constant rumination, the hypervigilance. I had to re-read all the books after that. Granted, I don't believe it excuses his behavior toward Bella, ESPECIALLY with how controlling he got in Eclipse, but I guess it just helped me understand him a bit more. I hated the way he treated ans spoke about Jacob, that superiority that he and his siblings perpetuated really rubbed me the wrong way even if the hatred was mutual between the vamps and wolves.
Agree with everything! I even recommended Midnight Sun as a book to help people understand anxiety better
Edwards hatred of Jacob and his people had such racist undertones tbh
So a potential murderer then...jeez he needed psychological help....
Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read the books in years, but I have read them many times lol. But weren't there also a supernatural biological element to it their feud? Because vampires even smell bad to the werewolves and vice versa.. they are meant to be on opposite sides 🤔
@@doyoufeardeath666 yes the vitriol was definitely two sided and down to the DNA, but I still cringed when the Cullens made certain digs at the wolves. Like insulting their intelligence, calling them children and muts, insinuating that they were beneath them. In my opinion, all the vamps carried themselves with a superiority. They definitely thought themselves above human beings, but the disdain for the wolves was pointed and personal. Ironic because in their stance as a superior being, they couldn't seem to be objective about how brilliant the Quilettes were. I think we saw that change in Breaking Dawn when Edward could tell how intricate their mind system was. Even then, it was very cerebral, not on the basis of them deserving respect and decency or being ridiculously intelligent.
As a parent, if someone was going to break up with my daughter and he had reason to think harm could come to her for it, like Edward knew harm could come to Bella, I would look highly on that person to talk to me and my husband first so that we could be prepared to make sure she’s safe and supported.
I’m Team Everyone Get Therapy.
Yeah, I felt bad for Bella after Edward left her. It was so sad that I cried when I read it.
Tbh my favorite was jasper
Because of how compassionate he was. I didn’t really have a crush on Jacob or Edward back then. Just jasper.
Jacob kissing Bella when he knew she didn’t want him to frustrated me. And then him acting like she was overreacting for being mad at him for that. If I were her I would’ve been pissed too. No means no
I feel like people need to analyze more Edward's behavior in this book, like this 107 year old kid is SO depressed, and nobody, not even Bella, tries to help him with these intense feelings of wanting to die and hurt himself
That’s a really good perspective. Have you read Midnight Sun?
@@StephAnya I have, yes. And the more I read about Edward the more I see his self loathing and all that. Maybe I focus on this particular side of the story sometimes, because of my own experience with depression
Bella saw Edward as a means to an end, nothing more. Edward was supernaturally attracted to her blood. (Meyer really has a thing for taking away free will. It’s alarming.) Bella was attracted to a pretti boi who could make her to appear to physically stop aging.
None of the vampires, especially Carlisle, cared about feelings. That fuck turned a recent rape victim, knowing vampires are frozen in the headspace they were when they were turned (perpetual trauma) as to be a GIFT to Edward. No care if she wanted Edward. Edward was single, so needed a partner, and a woman was offered to him. Who cares about her or Edward’s feelings.
True but the thing with depression is no one can really help you aside from yourself even if they wanted to. The struggle/problem isn’t ever outside is it? Its within.Bella & Edward are two people with a dysfunction the other hates himself while the other sees no self worth hence the dependency.
@@NoelleTakestheSkywait what? Was bella raped in the books? It’s been so long I don’t remember
I hopped on the twilight train late. I was already in college (19 or 20) and already engaged in therapy when my coworkers dropped these books on my desk.
I was team Jacob and then team nobody because Jacob may have been a better fit for Bella but Bella was absolutely a terrible fit for Jacob.
Outside of the fact that those vamps derailed his life, he was pouring into her knowing that she would/could never reciprocate. He was willing to accept the absolute minimum from her and I just kept imagining what that would look like for him 5 years down the road if Edward never came back. Maybe I would feel differently if he was an adult opening up to an adult being patient with her and holding space for her to process and heal from her trauma but I just kept coming back to she’s using this kid and knows she’s using this kid and the kid knows he’s being used but he’s happy with it.
I just thought Jacob deserved better than to be a crutch and Bella deserved better than a controlling century year old boyfriend. Edward just deserved prison (I still can’t get over him explaining how he decided to be a vigilante when he went off his diet and Bella being chill like girl that man is a m*rderer.)
Looking forward to your next videos because the way the book tackled the Renesme Jacob situation was the biggest ‘im sorry what😮?’ moment of the series.
My suggestion is the series a court of roses and thorns.
👏🏽 Couldn't have said it any better 👏🏽
Eclipse is the worst of the books by far, the core three characters are all absolutely unbearable in that one.
I think what I dislike the most about the books however is what a martyr Bella is in her own mind. She views everything that happens to her and everyone else's behavior as somehow being her fault to the point that she can't actually be held accountable to anything, because she'll just spiral into self-loathing until she has to be comforted lest she becomes suicidal.
The narrative appears to want to frame this behavior as noble, when it's actually so destructive and completely unfair to the people around her. Not only can she not be held accountable, but she also strips others of any autonomy. If nothing can ever be your fault (because everything is hers) that also means nothing you do matters or has value.
Having been at the mercy of someone with the same worldview, it's really gross and upsetting to me that anyone would romanticize that.
Agreed. That this is supposed to be seen as romantic is so goddamned concerning.
Well said 👏🏾
"Why'd you leave her in the woods?"
PLOT.
😭 what did it really add to the plot though??
@@StephAnyaAbsolutely nothing. Haha.
@@StephAnya maybe he was trying his best to convince her he no longer cares for her wellbeing. I think to him the break up and the idea that he doesn’t love her, is just an illusion to trick her in order to keep her safe. I think he was playing that up, thinking he had to make it super convincing. This highlights his disconnect to her thoughts. He underestimated how quickly she could be convinced he lost interest in her. In his mind not caring for her is the last thing he can imagine, but to her it’s the first thing she thinks of. He went overboard and hurt her to prove it’s serious, and solidify that he has changed. Maybe leaving her in the woods was also a safety net for himself. Like if he really hurts her in a way he views as unforgivable, it might stop him from ever going back later. This is the only idea I can come up with. Wouldn’t be the first time Edward’s behavior is completely contradictory. Otherwise leaving her alone in the woods makes zero sense😂
Based on the books, I fully agree that Jacob is the better choice. He was more mature and it was a healthier love for Bella to have. He could protect her, much like Edward could (although Edward was the reason why she was always in danger anyway). It's always wild to me how many more people were Team Edward than Team Jacob. In the movies, she really shouldn't be with either but I still think that Jacob was a better choice in the movies than Edward (if I HAD to pick one). Everyone that I spoke to seemed so upset at the prospect that Jacob's anger could hurt Bella but no one seemed to notice that Edward literally knocked through a glass table to protect her from Jasper because he was too strong. Whenever there is a love triangle in a story, I basically always like the person that will not be chosen. And it took me literally over 20 years to realize that it's because I love healthy love and that's less exciting for people as a whole.
You're making me want to re-read and rewatch this saga! I grew up with Twilight, but because it's been so long since it came out, this video is bringing up deeply buried memories. Now I'm wondering what I would think about the books & movies as an adult. Excellent analysis as always 👏🏻
Highly encourage a rewatch! I always find something new that I never noticed before
I was in Middle school when the Twilight series came out. Read all of the books and seen all of the movies. Thank you so much for breaking this down! You’re absolutely right. I feel like I’m watching it through a totally different lens.
Why am I screaming at my TV like it's Super Bowl Sunday???!! 🤪😆 You nailed SOOO much in this video 🤯😫🙌🏽
Haha THIS is my Super Bowl. Thank you so much!
This video is making me feel good about being Team Jacob back in the day!!! I was a team Jacob girly not only because pre teen me loved the actor but because in the books he was so nice and what she needed. I haven't reread the books in YEARS now and my image of Jacob is mostly him in the movies and would be embarassed of ever being on his team. But you made pre teen me feel happy about her loyalty back in the day!
yayyy i was waiting for this ! i appreciate you including the writings as well , it truly drives a lot more points
yeah especially after the first video
I feel like you can’t base the story off of the movies alone
Congratulations on getting fully licensed! I am about 1.5 years away from graduating with my MFT Masters from NCU. SUPER EXCITED to have found your channel when I was first starting there in 2020 as I know you have mentioned you went there as well. It's been encouraging to see your journey as a therapist and content creator. I also love twilight but always knew they were problematic as I only saw the movies and was introduced in college (Got my BA in Psych). Thanks for the entertaining and valuable breakdown!
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I think I know why he did the forest thing. Literally just thought of it watching this. Maybe he was telling the werewolves that he was gone and that they would need to protect her since they were leaving? Without actually saying it. He messed up on purpose so that they could rescue the day. And make them take the initiative?
Honestly, I always was confused and thought that this was stupidly written because Edward would never do that. But maybe in this way?
They weren’t on the Rez though. It was still Cullen territory. In the book when the pack did go out they already knew the Cullens had left therefore meaning they could phase or go over on that part of the treaty line. I genuinely think he wanted to hurt her so she would believe his words and not hold on to the idea of him coming back, he said himself humans forget. He expected her to move on. People move on or hold onto anger when someone hurts them and in his mind he didn’t think she would want him back. That idea kept him away as well.
If he wanted the wolves to take over or ensure her safety he wouldn’t have been so against them being around Bella. It wasn’t just Jacob he had an issue with- it was the entire pack. He didn’t trust any of them. Alice was shocked when she saw Jacob and stated how unstable they were. He probably wouldn’t have left if he knew they were still phasing and would be around Bella. He knew Jacob had the bloodline but I don’t think he expected them to phase cause the previous generation didn’t. He didn’t know them being there triggered it.
Love these breakdowns! It’s a battle between my current adult self and teenage self when I watch the movies now haha!
Righttt 😂
When he said “you’re not good for me” I always took it as him knowing it was a way he could keep her from wanting to be with him. Like break her heart so she could have a normal life. If he would’ve explained it as not wanting to put her in danger she would’ve still wanted him.
As far as Edward leaving her in the woods when he breaks up with her, I think it's one of 2 things: (1) he really wasn't capable of understanding her and so was thoughtless to the potential impact that would have on her (2) he did it in the worst way possible to make her hate him, be angry at him, so she had the best chance of letting go and moving forward.
As far as him leaving, I think it was because he knew he wouldn't be able to leave her alone and stay away. That ended up hurting them both.
Seeing a lot of comments about Bella never really getting a chance to explore the relationship with Jacob romantically because of Stephanie and I agree. I also kinda think Stephanie is basically Bella. She’s obsessed with Edward. But objectively, I feel like the love triangle should’ve been even more intense with a greater question of who she would actually pick. Because what makes Edward different to everyone else for her is that he’s a vampire, he’s different. But Jacob is also a mythical creature and I just feel it would’ve been more interesting to see her fall really hard for that like she did with Edward and have to choose between them while actually being in love with both of them. But that’s just more for entertainment sake. In the books especially I always felt Bella had a superiority complex over Jacob which makes no objective sense given how she feels about Edward.
The part in the books that turned me from team Jacob to team nobody was when imprinting was introduced. After that it seemed selfish and cruel of Jacob to try a relationship with Bella because he knew that eventually someone would show up and he would have no choice but to leave her. And it's evidenced by the the Leah/Sam/Emily thing that fighting it doesn't work.
After that it really did feel like she was his wolfy beard, like if it was in the real non-fictional world it would be like if he knew he was gay in a small conservative town. And he loves his best girl friend and thought that would be enough or that it's what's expected so he actively pursued her without telling her that he's not fully attracted to her. Then one day when from her perspective everything is good he'll cheat on her because he has finally found a gay guy that he can actually be fully in love with.
The whole imprinting thing was gross anyway, but the fact that it seemed designed by the author because not every reader was team Edward really added to the assassination of Jacob's character. Maybe it was a "see readers he'll get his own soulmate one day, guaranteed" but it always felt to me super gross because it's shown that there's no choice at all. Even if you ignore the child grooming aspect, Sam tried to choose Leah, his long time girlfriend over Emily a girl he'd just met but nope resistance to the imprint equals domestic violence, so the whole thing felt more like "see no you can't like Jacob either because he'll leave Bella or hurt her trying to stay".
I really need to read the books again (along with midnight sun) cause I don't even remember what book jacob was like. I remember loving jacob after reading the book when I was younger but couldn't tell why when all I saw was his behavior in the movies. Once again, thanks for doing these videos. I really enjoy them.
Thank you so much for watching them 🫶🏽
I’ve come to the realization after rewatching the movies so many times that I don’t like Bella and Edward together because Edward was so controlling and manipulative, and Bella wanted to be a vampire to be with Edward instead of wanting to be a vampire because SHE was intrigued by the idea and experience. If she had talked about the things she liked about being a vampire then maybe I’d feel good about it, but like you said, codependency fuels her decisions. The biggest thing I came to realize as well is that I don’t want Bella and Jacob to be together either! But this time for Jacob’s sake. I guess I just feel like he deserves to feel chosen and loved fully. And he’d never get that with Bella. She has always used him and he’s accepted it and that’s just not what he deserves. Even Movie Jacob deserves better, and god I hate Movie Jacob…
Absolutely agree with everything! When I say Team Jacob, I’m referring to just him 😂
The codependency aspect of Bella and Edward’s relationship have been the most interesting for me in these Twilight videos. I’m wondering, how does the codependency develop? Is it because they’re both young (even though Edward is technically over 100 years old lol)?
Btw, I’m realllyyyyy loving these videos! So interesting to watch the movies through a different lens!! Can’t wait for Breaking Dawn Pt 1 and your thoughts of their disagreements as a married couple…
Edward is supernaturally attracted to Bella’s blood. She’s a “singer” (that’s that “personal brand of heroin” refers to), and Meyer has a kink for taking away free will.
Bella’a attracted to the pretti boi who can maker her appear to stop aging. He is a means to an end for her, nothing more.
im so glad you talked about how sweet jake is because im a jake girlie and I often see that people are so eager to say that Jake is awful ignoring that a major part of SM efforts to make Jake look so bad almost always comes from a plece of a lot of racism, so thank you. Also I saw this theory talking about how Bella being around the Cullens probably have a reaction in her body similar to using drugs (because Edward often says how enamored humans are with vampires) and they leaving Bella left her in a withdrawal situation and I think it's an interesting take. Anyway, great video❤
Ohhh that is an interesting take!
I really wasn’t the biggest Twilight stan but I am still really enjoying this series! I love your breakdowns, they are super helpful.
Sn: I’d love if a therapist made a book on what a healthy love story looks like.
Thank you SO much for identifying that Bella was clinically depressed. That’s not something you simply get over because a lot of your power and agency is being siphoned by this illness. So many fans missed the mark on that.
I related a lot to Bella on how she was depressed after a trauma (trauma also may not be an event, but a long time suffering) not with catatonia but with seeking distractions to not deal with my hard feelings. I eventually came out of it and look back on that time like yeh, that was serious, it could have been a lot worse, I could have developed disorders and comorbidities that became chronic. Teens have intense feelings that are often dismissed by adults but because they’re still growing up, cannot be expected to have fully developed capacities to cope with them. They need support. I have seen very capable strong adults crumble and cause worry for their loved ones. Recovering from trauma should be a forefront in the healing process.
Glad Bella had her dad. Their relationship was the BEST I appreciated in the whole series. He never put her down even though he often didn’t know what to do and he reminded me of my own parents and close friends who never gave up on me ❤.
P.S. I was always Team Bella. Team Bella. I did not stutter.
I, too, was and still am a team Jacob girlie. Edward pmo when he left Bella the way he did, and Bella pmo taking him back so easily as well as how she treated Jacob when he was her safe space for so long after Edward left. And thank you for mentioning how the movies doesn’t reflect Jacob’s character in the books! I prefer book Jacob, too. This was a great breakdown! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can’t wait for Eclipse. It’s my favorite book, and “Fire & Ice” is my favorite chapter, I can’t wait for the breakdown 🫶🏾
I didn’t expect to learn so much about myself and past relationships from this video, having seen and read all of the series. So many mind blown moments as you broke down her symptoms. great insights! Thank you!
I think I was always Team Edward, and I'd say I'm "Team Edward" now b/c at the end of the day, Bella only ever loved Edward, and Edward DID care for her, but I did want Jacob to find love and happiness cuz he was definitely A+ bf material! BUT. BUT BUT BUT. They DEFINITELY need therapy to have a healthier relationship, and adult me very much appreciates that and looks forward to hearing more of your breakdowns b/c I'm too lazy / don't have time to go back and re-read / re-watch the series with a "binger of couple's therapy content" lens lol.
😂 no worries, I got you!
Perhaps because of what happened with the Volturi she felt a lot of different things and almost forgot to reprimand what he did by flat out leaving her. However it’s not super realistic that she trusts him again wholeheartedly right away. It was a missed opportunity for character development and to break some of that codependency. The most frustrating part of the books/tv for me was how Bella kept insinuating the wolves weren’t as strong as the vampires. Like stop playing with them, they were literally designed to destroy vampires 😅.
When Bella sinks into the deep depression with the screaming in her sleep, omg I felt that same type of pain, it's super bad 😢...again great video ❤❤❤
As an adult my mind keeps drawing parallels between the descent Bella's mind makes and The Yellow Wallpaper short story. So many red flags that were missed when I first read the books.
This is really satisfying to watch, thank you :)
I also really liked these high school, then I was really put off by the movies, I felt like they were a bit boring and somehow failed to give the excitement the books did. I went through a phase of really hating the series haha. Now I’m a little more neutral, though I can’t say I really recommend it. But I was always fascinated by why I had such a strong response to it in high school, I can’t deny that I did, it was very strong and it lasted a while. Even though the relationships are messed up, this series hits on something deep in a lot of people.
In high school, I understood that Bella would always choose Edward. But that sweetness in the initial friendship with Jacob, makes me team Jacob. I tend to excuse his later behavior because of that initial friendship. I would be really interesting to see what some healthy choices would look like…
I struggle to read books especially long ones. So I’m definitely a movie watcher, thank you for bringing up the books so I really understand
Audiobooks are great for this.
@@nicolestefankofuentes1193 yeah but I need to watch something not just listen, others I’ll fall asleep or get bored 😅
I agree book Jacob was a better fit for Bella, but then again as you described, there are a lot of people who dont go for their "better fit". I also found what she said when she saw him in Italy to be very important in her healing process and that she was slowly becoming less co dependent because she had no choice to live without him when she said, "I can let you go now." And then they got back together and i was like oh my damn, she almost had a chance lol 🤦♀️
I love your videos, and I'm a twilight fan too (I read them in my 30s thou 😅). I was team Jacob all the way. Thank U for really look into this serie from the fan perspective, that was refreshing.
Loved the video, and love your channel! I'm a counselor-in-training and always find your videos helpful :) I'm team neither, since Jacob (spoiler alert if you somehow haven't read/watched Twilight yet) kisses Bella without her consent later on. But I agree that, without that detail, he's better for Bella than Edward is!
Things certainly change later on with him! I can understand team neither for sure. So glad that you’re finding the videos helpful during your training!!
I hate, I hate the character assassination Stephanie Meyer did to Jacob because to many people were rooting for him and Bella after new moon it's just not fair to ruin a good character because people weren't rooting as much for a toxic relationship. Justice for Jacob.
This is a great breakdown! I have been watching The Summer I Turned Pretty and the triangle in that show makes me reminiscent to the Twilight days. I think The Sumner I Turned Pretty would make a great topic for one of your videos as well! You can definitely explore therapy related topics with those characters/plot line 😅
I was always Team Jacob. I will need to reread the books now. Thanks for doing this.
I always saw the panic over aging in a completely different way than I think Meyer, and then the screenwriter and director of the movie intended.
Because Bella is already a child acting like a parent to her mother and like a spouse to her father (obviously I don’t mean the sexual side, but the need to take care of the man she lives with), I feel that she is horrified over the idea of falling into the same role with Edward and with Jacob. She obsesses over this very thing when Jacob starts showing clear signs of wanting to be more to her. She refers to herself as a cougar and makes a hard line that it’s disturbing to her to be in a relationship with a child. Yes, technically, her opinion is completely valid as she is 18 and Jacob is 16 throughout most of the series. And that legally makes her an adult and him a child. But it’s also clear that she isn’t thinking legally. She means it intellectually. She doesn’t want to be a mother figure to Jacob or Edward. And I feel like this is such her default setting that she aware of this possibility and panics over anything that makes her feel older than Edward.
That “grandmother” dream she has in this book and movie is paramount to this fear. She isn’t afraid of aging, to me. Rather she is terrified that she will eventually play the mother role in her relationship because she will one day look like Edward’s mother and then grandmother. And she knows herself enough to know that she’ll adapt that parental persona without realizing it.
That’s why she is adamant about becoming a vampire. It’s not aging and dying she fears. It’s falling into her old pattern of being the parent in her relationships.
That’s my perspective anyhow.
As for Jacob… I loathe book Jacob and movie Jacob equally. And it’s not because I’m a fan of Edward. I loathe him too. The movies cleaned up both characters to me. Which I resented. Because their book versions were horrible and needed to be on full display. Especially during Breaking Dawn. But that’s a discussion for another time.
puhhhleaseeee keep these coming i love the book by book break downs! you are educating the young girls watching twilight fr , and anyone who’s been in relationships where they were mistreated or gaslit
Thank you so much for breaking down these books/movies that I was obsessed with at age 13! It’s quite insightful now that I’m in therapy myself to recognize how the behaviors and relationship patterns portrayed in the books/movies may have influenced my expectations on relationships😳 I read the books first and was definitely team Jacob, the movies however were totally different in this regard as you said and when it comes to the movies I was rather team Edward.
Looking forward to the breakdown of Eclipse!
I just watched the first one today, this timing is impeccable 😊 I’m so glad this is a series
✨synchronicity ✨
Me too
I love your channel, and it's interesting to hear your thoughts on fictional characters and relationships! I recently started watching Maid on Netflix, and I was wondering if you would consider reacting to that show. I would love to hear what you think about the characters and their relationships - I appreciate your compassionate and reflective insights ❤❤
living for these!
Yay thank you!!
I don't know if someone's already said this, but I think it's important to note that seeing people's spirits, or what might be called a "hallucination," could be culturally, spiritually, or religiously based. Seeing the spirits of others, whether that be a loved one, deity, or animal can be closely tied to their belief system, and not necessarily mean that they have a mental disorder.
3 weeks late, lol, but in the books when Edward leads her into the woods, he makes sure she can still see the house. He didn't know she would try to follow him 😅
Also, I read the books before watching the movies, and even with the added context, I've always been team Edward. I loved Jacob's character throughout New Moon, until we got to the end, and then in Eclipse he literally assaults her. That has always steered me far away from ever wishing Bella would've chosen him.
More pleaseeeeee!!!! These are so amazing and informative 👏🏽
I’ve got you!! Thank you!
I was so much into team Jacob while reading the books as an adult. I just loved everything he could offer Bella, the example I love the most being the night they had pasta with his family and neighbours. As a kid, I just read the first book and was on this journey to reading all of them in english since it's not my original language. I stopped with Eclipse because I couldn't bare the part where Jacob "steals a kiss" from Bella and it's basically assault. I still feel sick to my stomach remembering she tries to fight back and gives up because he is too strong, so she just stands there and "let him finish". The way Charlie reacted to knowing the kiss was stolen, not consensual, also made me sick, because this comes from a book aimed at girls in their 13 it's so revolting how normalized it was. I blame the author, tho, because everything that is not healthy is what she writes as desirable in a love relationship. I would be team Jacob untill the end, but this ended my playfull engagement with the series.
I'm loving these break downs 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
You are right. When i was younger i thought edward was the best, but reading the books as an adult the way i am now, i realize that jacob was the best. And edward was possessive and controlling. Jacob, before the cullens came back, was sweet, warm, caring and paid attention to what upset her. He made her happy. i want a rewrite of the series at that point. If the cullens never came back, what would jacob and Bella's life look like.
Hooray, thanks for the second video! Looking forward to more.
Thanks for watching!
Sleeper hit for sure! It has become my favorite as well even though when it wasn't my first go around reading it. The movie still holds!
I‘ve always been Team Jacob but never fully realized how unfairly the movie treats him compared to the book - probably because Taylor makes the mist of what he‘s got and still manages to convey much of Jacob‘s sweetness.
Never understood why Charley didn't cared enough to take her to therapy or make Bella to never see Edward again
After seeing your first video for Twilight. I immediately ran to this one, because I just knew you were going to break it down and rip it to shreds 🤣🤣🤣
Team Jacob. A warm body, a heart that beats, won't have to die to be with him. Leave your human family forever, killing to eat, drinking blood yuk! Killing endangered species to eat.
You articulated why I’ve always been Team Jacob
I read the twilight series when I was a teen and just recently rewatched the films again. & I’m desperately trying to remember if Stephanie Meyer actually gave Bella and Edward character development in the books. In the movies it’s like we never actually know why they love each other or how they fell in love. It’s like they hung out twice and boom they can’t live without each other.
I feel like when people talk about Edward stopping Bella from seeing Jacob, they are ignoring the reality of the supernatural element at play. We saw what happened to Emily because of Sam. This isn't just Edward being jealous and controlling. He literally believes Bella could die, and he believes that she doesn't fully understand how dangerous the situation is.
Idk, personally, I would probably resort to some drastic measures if I thought the person I loved was in serious danger and they didn't understand how serious it was.
Love your videos ❤ i have not read the books or watched the movies in so long but I think I was team Edward. Interesting to see it from a different perspective as an adult :)
Oh my goodness. The teenage me that read the books was ALWAYS Team Edward, but now dealing with my own PTSD and attachment issues as an adult I understand why that felt better for me. But adult, healing me now would be team Jacob for sure! I think that level of care and compassion would have freaked my younger self out. The chaos of Edward at that time felt more comfortable unfortunately. 😢
New moon has become my favourite as well
Wait wait wait... Edward didn't leave Bella deep in the woods, he left her in the woods directly behind her own house.🥴 She's a dumba** for trying to follow him especially having knowledge of his superspeediness. 🤣
I'm so glad you made this video because it helped me understand her a bit better. The night terrors were always in the back of my mind, when listing her issues but the hallucinations were the main focus, for me. When I was in highschool, New Moon was my least favorite book of the saga because I didn't understand this reaction from her.
Now I kinda get it... The trauma she experienced in the first book probably made her mental health worse. The obsession she has with Edward was intensified by the rescue. Then, ending up in the hospital probably destroyed the little bit of self-esteem she had left. Imagine having a boyfriend that's practically indestructible and you still almost die because of your own naivety...🤦♀
so happy you did new moon as well!!❤❤❤ this is my favorite out of the twilight series 😊 always been team jacob
I love your perspective on Jacob and Bella. I haven’t read the books in a while, so I hadn’t remembered that he’s very different from the way he’s seen in the movirs
Adding more to this. I was always team Jacob. I’m still convinced she would have been better off with him in the end if Edward had just kept his promise and stayed away from her. People don’t give Jacob enough credit for starting to help heal Bella at a time in her life when she was feeling hopeless.
My friend always looks at me in horror when I say I’m team Jacob. Oddly amusing to me.
I always felt that Bella should be with Jacob. I read this as a 9th grader because it had just came out. I never liked Edward from jump and New Moon made it clear to me he was toxic. Eclipse cemented it for me. Jacob was so young and I always loved that he offered Bella the world and meant it in high school. My husband reminds me of him honestly.
Hi Stephanie, thanks for giving us a detailed breakdown of the relationship dynamics and toxic behaviour traits!! Really appreciate it and love the series ❤
May I ask, even for a mature and mentally strong caregiver like Jacob, would he/she be able to provide support long term for someone like Bella, without it taking a toll on himself/herself? It sounds very draining and it seems no matter how much love the caregiver can give, it would still be rather draining 😢
Very enlightening. Thank you
Absolutely love these! Thank you for sharing with us 🙏🏽 One dynamic I was really curious about is Harvey Specter and Donna Paulsen. Do they have a healthy relationship? I started rewatching it since its now on Netflix 😅
For all the reasons you listed I am still Team Edward. I think Jacob deserved so much more than someone that was obsessed with an ex.
Can you fifty shades of grey. I haven’t read the books but in the movies Christen made me cringe just like Edward 🤢
I heard that 50 shades of grey actually started out as Twilight fan fiction!
I really enjoy your breakdown of the Twilight relationship dynamics. Listening to your analysis actually lends both the movies and the books more depth - albeit deeply dysfunctional depth - than I was able to discern on my own.
On a technical note, the organization of your presentation is top notch: clear, rational, and deeply engaging. I especially love the notepad on the side. What FONT did you use for that? It is beautiful and I would love to find it and maybe use it in some of the personal journaling I do.
New Moon was my absolute favorite book of the series. I read it in two days.
When i first read Twilight i was rooting for Bella to end up with Edward because it reminded me of when i had my high school crush on the cutest and most mysterious guy in school but then as i started to read the other books i fell in love with the Jacob and Bella dynamic which is my ideal love story; where deep friendship turns romantic ❤
After watching these two videos about the Twilight series.. I’m going to actually read Midnight Sun.. and reread the Twilight series
Come back and let me know your thoughts!
Wowowow I don't remember Jacob being like that in the books but I was also in high school and not thinking about all that lol
This is my first time seeing your videos and i have to say i love your take on things! Your chanel is so fun and entertaining 💕
Aw thanks so much 🫶🏽
at 8:43 i always felt like he said that to her cause he knew she had little self worth and by "confirming" her fear, she would let him go easily.
I agree!
New moon was always my favorite movie of the Saga.
This is why I’m team Jacob as I have explained myself that Bella went out of her way as she lead him on based on the ulterior motives she had. Jacob in the movie was so loyal to her and she straight played him like a violin and ppl who realize the truth will still ignore it like eh
Can you do The Summer I Turned Pretty next? I know it's the hype right now but I'd love to hear your professional take on it ❤
2 words of advice for the Cullen kids in the opening of the book...
Edward: Be aware of Bella not being indestructible. Remember that you know how to not shove humans so hard into furniture that they collapse.
Alice: Bella's quite klutzy. Maybe save the China and glass decorations until she's a tad less clumsy, or a bit more indestructible.
Finally: As stated in this video, Edward, make sure Bella makes it back home safe before you take off.
I like to imagine she didn't write a script for this video and is just on a rant about twilight she's been thinking about for years
I liked Jacob in the first books much more then the movies. I stopped reading the books after New Moon because Bells had zero character development. I had to watch the movies in rehab years latter..
This was super interesting! I was always team Jacob ever since New Moon was published simply because Jacob is so good in the book. He's not perfect but no one is and he is a book character after all, but so much better than Edward.
You explained why I am single. Thanks. I am boring for being open about wanting to be with someone.
I find it so interesting that no one is bringing up the toxicity of Jacob and Bella being a supposedly viable option. I know that Steph made great points about Edward being toxic to her because he's literally a predator and she's prey, but Bella can be harmed as well by Jacob. Not for the same reasons, but harmed none the less. Hence Jacob pushing her away so much at first after his evolution into shifting. He could harm her like Sam Uley harmed Emily Young, which was a very real and legitimate concern.
On top of the fact that he also doesn't age! With every time he shifts into his wolf form, this attributes to his own immortality which makes them unmatched.
Plus... we can't leave out his uncontrolled ability to imprint on someone. And since he didn't imprint on Bella, he could've done it with someone else, thus causing Bella to be in the same position with him like she was when Edward left. The comparison very clearly being shown as the love triangle between Sam, Emily and Lea.
Looking at this from an unromanticized, therapeutic perspective, neither of them are a good match for her.
Also, Jacob had times when he would get mean and say hurtful things to Bella. How is that healthy? Like, we need to get over thinking he is "hot" and see it for what it actually is. Yes Bella used Jacob as a bandaid and that was wrong. Edward was a vampire and everything they feel is intense and he NEVER had those feelings for q girl in his existence so he had no idea what to do. I truly rhink people are just obseesed with how Jacob looks and not his true personality. He wasnt all that great.
I think the part of the movie when Jacob,Bella and Mike went to the movies and he got out Character because that is when his transformation was starting. That’s also why he left.
I have PTSD ... you right...still I don't understand how I feel, I don't understand my reactions...I do therapy cause at this point I can't go on with my life as nothing happened. It's exhausting
well now i gotta watch the movies again.
Haha come back and report your thoughts