mocking bad people can be funny, mocking kids or adults living their life without harming anyone is not. Example: Making fun of andrew tate is alright, making fun of a kid dancing is not.
this is so real. i think that a lot of satire is funny and silly, but most of the time i think it only works if it's "making fun of" a trend or a piece of media or something like that, rather than like a specific type of person who just posted something unironically or acts a certain way unironically
it’s painfully obvious why people switched up so fast on eddie munson. everyone and their mother was obsessed with him when the season first came out but the moment actual outcasts and especially neurodivergent people started expressing their love.. cosplays, fansongs, etc. they straight up BULLIED them. they just love the outcast character on screen until actual outcasts start expressing their love and they can’t stand being associated with them now. ill forever be an eddie fan idc 😗
Fr, I'm a ND metalhead and seeing Eddie being unapologetically himself on screen made me feel more confident and I really fixated on him. I got the shirt and found community with other fans and then all of a sudden things started getting really hateful out of nowhere. I would wear the hellfire shirt all the time but I would never wear it out of the house because I seen so many people filming and posting videos online bullying people for wearing it. I feel like this happens a lot with alt characters in media. Like Wednesday, when something is popular people swarm to it but are the same kind of people to call the local emo kid a freak. I liken it to the NT way of masking. Sorry for the monologue I am passionate about this subject
They like the alternative outcasts characters when they’re made societally ‘likeable’ and attractive but if an actual person who doesn’t ‘fit in’ finds comfort in it and make fan art or whatever those people are bullied and mocked
That was actually crazy to see happen in real time. The fact that stranger things, a show where the main characters are bullied for being nerds, has so many fans that also bully nerds. They can only understand them on TV and in real life they hate them
Autistic and ADHD here just to say I genuinely felt like I was being bullied watching some of these. The way they’re talking is the way people used to talk when making fun of me in elementary and middle school. The faces they’re making, the exaggerated posture and crossing of the eyes. It’s all things people did to specifically make fun of me as a kid.
I like cherdlys and some of midsty's stuff but there was one video about women getting tied up in relationships with toxic men, and claiming to like abusive men over decent men.. I never been in that type of situation, I just don't like men cause of things that happened to me in the past. But to victims of actual abuse, that's not funny. Just immature and stupid.
I feel like that 2010-ish era where "cringe" was at its peak we all suffered. It made me personally so self conscious as not to become one of the weird ones that I couldn't actually enjoy anything.
Dude SAME, i legit used to cover up my ears whenever i went out in public because cringe culture made me scared to even HEAR someone talking about my interests in public
Thinking you're awkward for not disturbing the public is not awkward, dude! It's you being a decent human being. It just feels awkward because a lot of people don't care about others now :'(
Only thing awkward there is actively disturbing the public. Watching videos like that hurts so bad when there’s people in the back just looking and continuing with their lives
imo satire requires a solid joke or it becomes just regular mocking. like, i think the first guy does satire pretty well, there's a clear joke every time while the second girl's content is just "lol isn't this kind of person weird"
so in your opinion its not okay to mock weebs but its okay to mock frat boys?? they are both mostly insecure people using hobbies and groups to build onto their identity.
@@lautaroescarlon7501 as he points out in the video, it’s not making fun of weebs, it’s making fun of disabled people who post those videos unironically, autistic or otherwise. is that not completely different from poking fun at the way some frat guys post?
@@sydneym5595 They both feel very wrong to me. Some frat guys are jerks yeah. But so is any other group autistic or not. We're all people and we all have complex psyches. We didnt know as much about autism as we do now. So who is to say in the future the way popular kids act isnt explored further? Im sure a lot of frat boys and frat girls also suffer from mental problems inherently related to their societal status.
@@sydneym5595 But they're doing the same thing. You're saying it's okay to mock a certain type of person because you don't like them? Because you, subjectively, view them as an asshole? You're just a hypocrite. Also, nobody is being mocked. Playing an extreme character and mocking are two completely different things. You have no common sense just stfu.
I think the key with satire is a personal belief (or good acting) that it's a joke. It's nuanced behavior & joke delivery that just hits different when it isn't genuinely poking fun of the stereotype or concept, but is instead making fun of the people victimized & targeted by the stereotype or concept. What we're seeing in some of the examples is viewers susing whether mitzy truly believes her skits are "just jokes". Basically, it's comes across like she "believes in the stereotype" vs believing "the stereotype is the joke." Which are of course, vastly diff things.
The first guy is identifying gross behavior and clearly riffing on it to show how absurd the behavior is. Mitzy feels like she genuinely hates peoples who react to things in ways she doesn’t. Like she just genuinely hates people that are different to her.
She definitely gives off an ableist vibe, like I feel like she chooses not to understand another persons point of view or the way their brain works. Just making fun of them for not having perfect mannerisms (something a lot of neurodivergent people struggle with, including me). Some of her TikToks just genuinely made me uncomfortable.
it’s also just incredibly unfunny. It’s blatant bullying and mocking, I side eye people who actively take in that type of content and belly laugh at that shit
Holy shit dude. Thank you for being the only person pointing out that a lot of people have disabilities (ex. Autism) and get bullied/parodied for being “cringe” and thank you for pointing out that it really can affect them. Nobody else ever seems to address it.
@@emmahu4543 yeah it really isnt their intention. they are just having fun by making up a character but unfortunately ppl that watch the content dont see it that way
@@beepboop2842 i don't think its right putting it on the viewer either as many of these satire people either directly imitate other creators or take inspiration from other peoples traits which is often neurodivergent, now whether that is intentional or not as an autistic person it hurts seeing people openly mock and overexaggerate traits that you inhibit and have the comment section be filled with people cringing and being disgusted
@@beepboop2842 They arent just making up a character in a vacuum though. They're making up a character who had traits they find "cringey" that are literally just autistic traits
it's absurdist humor i think, tiktok just took the word satire and ran with it straight into hell. also that first lactating video was so painful i had to just close my eyes and shudder for several moments, and when i opened my eyes Saji was huddled up away from the camera so i'm glad it wasn't just me lmao
i also think there's a weird element of infantilization that happens, especially with the mitsy ones, that feels gross to me. another convo for another time, i think, but this kind of content is a big reason why i stopped going on tiktok lol. thanks for talking ab it saji!
Infantilization actually has a LOT of connection to ableism! People infantilize a LOT of people with disabilities! Physical & mental! Wheelchair users for example get people who randomly start helping them without consent, think of someone out of nowhere pushing your chair, grabbing groceries for you or picking you up! For mentally disabled people this can be people literally taking over your job because your are seen as unable 'too young in the brain' etc. I have two people close to me who got/get infantilized all the time! They had to push through a lot of expectations of others to get where they are now, both having two stable jobs and getting paid well, but that was after being rejected from a study for being 'not able' (while they definitely were.) Just because neurotypicals forced their expectations on them. I get it too, I sell handmade jewelery which is brightly coloured; the amount of comments I have gotten that it was for kids and not adults was very very odd.
The lactating tiktoks made me physically wince. Even if they weren't supposed to be dehumanizing I felt like I was both sexualized and reduced to a slab of meat (or a glass of milk i guess)
What’s weird is I think the idea is to mock people that think that way but because it seems so real it comes across as his actual personality, which makes it kind of come full circle
these tiktoks make me sit in a corner and think abt what led me there😐😐 You think when's the video is done he sits in awkward silence and regrets it???
i love itsjulyski because hes knowingly mocking guys that are way too full of themselves and make that content online. he has a satirical motive and theres a whole joke to what he’s doing. but… the other creators… i cannot sit through their videos. they are unwatchable. they simply are there to make you uncomfortable and everyone around them uncomfortable. satire is commentary on something with context and that is widely known, and they are just… in general… being annoying and weird/making fun of other people. i call it cringe content instead of satirical because that is simply what it is LMAO.
I just found out about your channel and love it so much already, as an autistic person im so used to seeing commentary creators mock and laugh at my traits, it felt so nice to see you mentioning that a lot of people who are bullied for being "cringe" are just disabled or neurodivergent, thanks :)
She is actually just a really good actor. If you’ve ever watched cherdleys or cerspence or any of that crew, she is in their videos all of the time and she does a great job of playing a cringey as fuck character.
@@adrianc6534 yknow I think this video has made me realise there's definitely a difference between Cherdleys written content and just acting like a cringy character for reactions but... They both have a lot of ableism to them, yknow?
@@Emicatmon idubbz and filthy frank (aka Joji) both had ableism and weren't cancelled for it, but that was a long time ago in Internet culture. I personally find this stuff to be silly and not necessarily bad-natured, it's a kind of satire that tows the line on being too edgy, and to some people it is offensive and I understand and appreciate that but personally to me there's way worse you can do while trying to make people laugh.
That first alpha pookie video made my boobs recess into my chest with how badly I wanted to get away from that man. Even if it is supposed to be satire that is just plain creepy and uncomfortable. My fight or flight urge is peaked.
even if it's meant to be satire I cannot stand that man and I can't believe so many people watch what is essentially screaming and bothering people minding their business in public
That video didn't just make me wish I could get rid of my boobs, it made me wish I had never had boobs in the first place, so I wouldn't have to feel so horrified right now
Within the furry community we say “if you make fun of vore enough you’ll end up being into it”. By joking about something you associate feelings of joy with that thought and end up enjoying the thing itself.
Thank you so much for opening my eyes in a way to how these satirical videos can be very abelist/ mock neurodivergent people, because I'm gonna be honest I've seen and liked many of Misty's videos ever since she started making videos centered around like wolf girls and I found it funny because as a kid I used to be that kind of kid who pretended they were an animal or wtv, but recently as I saw her on my fyp it became less funny but I thought it was just because it was supposed to be cringe and make me not wanna watch. U have def opened my eyes to the type of content I was consuming. I also see a lot of people who mock other people's videos and I feel terrible that in a way I was supporting people who were literally just making fun of kids or people who just may not have been neurotypical.
It's quite sad to see her mock furries and such cus a lot of furries are neurodivergent to some extent hence why they feel more comfortable as their fursona and its more used as like an easier way to communicate with others
I really appreciate that a lot of this could be mocking disabled and autistic people. The internalized ableism that I experienced because I was a “weird dnd anime kid” and got bullied for it caused me to feel really uncomfortable with myself until I reached college where I found other people who are like me and living unapologetically that make me feel comfortable to be myself
the unfortunate reality is that the world is mostly comprised of neurotypical people and we feel either awkward or uncomfortable by some behavior exhibited by autistic people and sometimes it can be hard to work with them etc
No cause as a high school band member ik what u mean like there’s kids in band who act like this unironically and its making me think abt it bc they’re also autistic and get made fun of all the timeeeeee like
dude im sorry you cant say that has anything to do with mental disabilities there isn't a "weird dnd anime kid syndrome" and there certainly isn't a mental disability causing you to like these things. Its just called being a nerd lmao (not using nerd in a derogative way)
Okay but the 10:30 one made me wheeze. The combination of mocking men who misuse kink/BDSM culture, a white surfer boy accent, girls dancing like spiders, & the fact that what kicked it off was a pun ("eat" not as in "eating food" but as in "they're going off") just pushed my funny buttons the right way. I think a lot of their videos would come off better if they 1) Laid off the gross-out humor 2) Had better comedic timing for when to end clips, and 3) Tell bits of truth in their vids about what exactly they're mocking. That's when satire works- you're telling truths while mocking the thing. Or else it's powerless, or goes full-circle.
There’s a certain school of philosophy called meta modernism. In a nutshell it’s acknowledging the medium as a platform to perform but also acknowledging that you are a character in a way. It’s very popular in self referencing media like Deadpool, or TV reboots from the 90s. It’s kinda on a spectrum of sincerity to cringe based how well the viewer knows the “real world version” beyond the content of a certain creator/ character. I’m currently working on a paper/ podcast/ video on this idea and it’s new form: postmetamodernism. You’re really hitting the bullseye on how we express ourselves in the online space. If you’d ever like recommendations on the subject lmk
this is the first time I heard someone with a stutter other than myself. its interesting to hear a stutter, now i know what I sound like to others as well. Keep going king.
im so glad you brought up the mocking thing i feel like half the time i see content like this im like 'thats just making fun if autistic traits' also, a lot of "cringe" groups like furries/weebs/ "baby gays" are full of neurodivergent and/or really young people.
cringe culture is inherently ableist and deeply rooted in ableism. all of it is, inherently, making fun of disabled, specifically autistic, traits and behaviors. i believe neurotypical people are raised to be ableist and raised to believe the way we act is cringe, uncomfortable, weird, odd and okay to make fun of co were are weird because we are different and they are weirded out by those different than them.
@@dracohatesu9894 I don't think it's exclusively ableism, but that's definitely a big part of it. I think the other two contributing factors are age, because cringe culture tends to be even a crueler to children than it is to adults in many cases (my working theory is that it's adults depressed at the capitalist telescape we live in hating people who have the freedom to express themselves) and another is that we've just made it uncool to care. It's like everybody's trying to channel their teenage rebellious phase where being cool means being aloof and uncaring. Passion is frowned upon (which I think definitely overlaps with hyper fixations a little bit). Cringe culture is so weird because it's just people being upset at people who aren't as bitter and jaded as them.
I also feel the need to cry after watching these. As you said with needing a new word for this instead of satire, that’s how I feel about the word cringe in this. Like it makes my physically cringe, but not even like secondhand embarrassment. It’s like secondhand shame, mixed with fear and disgust and I cannot even explain what parts of it are evoking the reaction. Probably knowing much of it is mocking people with disabilities adds onto that :/
Every time I see mitsy content it just feels like lele pons under the guise of satire. Lele pons tried to be comedic with vine era humor but it just became her persona and stayed that way as the humor grew to be outdated. I derive the same feeling from whatever that “weeb” face is that I get from the quirky vine potato face.
I think itsjulyski is actually funny because he's making fun guys who are trying to be cool and masculine, basically f-boys. But the second tik toker you shower, amoing fun of furries and anime and stuff, it really did feel like she was just making fun of autistic people.
I mean making fun of furries and weebs doesn’t mean she’s making fun of neurodivergent people….. some furries and weebs are cringy and that has nothing to do with being neurodivergent. Special interests aren’t the only reasons people are into that stuff, nor is everyone in those groups autistic….
@@StamesJevens But the thing is with those groups even if there definitely *are* some cringy people in those communities making fun of those communities as a whole affects more than just the “cringy” people in it
@@StamesJevens the mannerisms that she’s showing are extremely typical of autistic people. The “stiff” movements, the exaggerated facial expressions, everything about it.
in the nicest, coolest way possible, the facial hair makes you look like a one hit wonder rap star from the 90s that 30 years later would have his song sped up and made into a tiktok sound. Also the video was very good 👍
I don’t think it’s cringey because it feels “real”. It’s cringey because of how hard the are trying to make fun of certain people. It’s “pick me” and “not like others” all over again
When Big Red came out and people were making fun of and cringing at young teenage girl characters, I saw a post that said something like “don’t kill the part of you that’s cringy, kill the part of you that cringes.” I think in this modern “cringe culture,” if you will, we want to feel like we’re self aware and laughing at things that are self aware, and we go too far. We find something wrong with everything and that’s honestly something I struggle with a lot on the internet in terms of me having made fun of people like this too. Where I think it goes too far is when you cross into this mockery, especially not understanding what you’re making fun of sometimes.
Whenever I stumble onto a subreddit that's made for like showing "cringey" things, like 50% is just people enjoying stuff they enjoy, 40% is people who just are either Neurodivergent or fat or queer or disabled in some way and they're just existing, and the last 10% is stuff that is actually cringey. Cringe culture really just feels like it's there to make fun of anyone who doesn't fit into societal standards.
The issue with satire is that it is meant to criticize or call attention to something. This can end up going both ways. Are they criticing societal reactions or are they criticizing the people? Even if they are criticizing society, satire has to be recognized to be effective. Satire of societal racism just looks like racism if it's not recognized. The best example I can think of is FilthyFrank. He created a caricature of a human being and there were a lot of people who genuinely liked and agreed with that persona. So in his fanbase, there were two groups, the people who got the joke and the people who related to the caricature. Honestly, I think as long as they have some other platform where they do something else then things are fine. Joji made music outside his FilthyFrank persona and people could see that he was completely different in reality.
That’s like people saying some racist thing with the 👴🏻 emoji after. Like it’s so overdone it’s just people trying to get away with racism by claiming it’s satire
@@thebuilder5271 People use it as an excuse because it is often true. Usually though, you can actually look at what they usually post to determine the truth. And sometimes it is be both satirical and racist.
then by ur logic its satire. they are criticising people who behave in weird or cringey ways by pumping the things that make them so weird to the max for a character and mocking them through that character by showing them how weird those behaviours are
i feel really uncomfy with people makign fun of people for really liking specific characters. As an autistic person, I find that i tend to hyperfixazte on characters or games, and its really harmful to see people mocking it because its not like i want to hyperfixate on a character, I just dont really have a choice. Its reall y hurtful and has real world consequences such as increased bullying for autistic traits. I'm glad Saji pointed it out :3
i know all the comments are already saying this but im glad that you mentioned how a lot of “cringe culture” is rooted in ableism a lot of the time. im neurodivergent and i used to be really hyperfixated on certain things that a lot of the internet hated, which was honestly really sad because i obviously cant control my hyperfixations and i cant stop them just because others dont like it. ive always hated the term cringe in general but im really glad you made this video saji!! :)
yeah, i have adhd and used to fixate on DSMP because i really liked the story and minecraft at the time but slowly forced myself to stop liking it just because so many of my peers hated it :”)
@@Meckolo LITERALLY SAME LOL thats exactly what i was talking about in my comment!! im sorry you had to force yourself to stop liking it though, if youre not harming anyone i dont see any problem with it tbh
@@kalkxx yeah, it really sucks when something that’s so dear to you is brushed off as cringe and gross by other people who just don’t understand and aren’t willing to learn :(
@@Meckolo you liked minecraft content which was extremely popular and mainstream and then stopped liking it when people said it wasn't cool.. sounds like youre a bandwagoner lol, no idea how that relates to mental illness.
@@bruh-bh3kk what about being pressured into stop fixating (something my ADHD makes me do) on something by people and media around me is bandwagoning? It’s not like i actually wanted to stop enjoying it but as people started to hate it more and more and my fixation died down i forced myself not to enjoy it even if i did want to enjoy it still. I’m sorry if that’s what you think but i’d prefer not to argue with someone online who knows nothing about what i experienced, maybe don’t assume things like that lol.
Content especially like mitsy can 100% just be underlying ableism (not saying it is all the time BUT it is common) and a lot of content like that is basically just to make fun of the ""weird"" kids, who in most, if not all, cases are autistic or have ADHD much like myself. Her type of content is just essentially middle school bullying and that's why its so unfunny and just feels like she just wants to make fun of neurodivergent kids with special interests in something
Also sidenote I should add, tiktok being full of fetish content is also a good topic to go over since it seems to relate to it being covered up by ""satire""
@@chief2459 Ok, then this doesn’t involve you then? I really don’t wanna argue over something that’s clearly just tiktok humor being ableist towards autistic people
@@chief2459 you grew out of it, neurodivergent people do not. its plainly just fact that a lot of "weird" behaviors that neurotypical kids get bullied for are because the behavior is associated with neurodivergence. we as neurodivergent (especially autistic) people do not get to simply grow out of being socially inept, having very specific patterns of speaking/moving/reacting/processing, or having extremely strong interests in hyper specific things. im 21, i still talk in the same strange patterns i did when i was just "the weird kid", i still react in ways people find "cringey" despite it being hardwired into my brain and something i cannot change. watching people mock my behaviors for "comedy" is mortifying. not everything is about you, if the experience doesnt apply then its not about you. what a selfish way of thinking to believe a comment specifically about neurodivergent people who are considered our own brand of bizzare and cringey is actually meant to include neurotypicals like yourself who get bullied simply for being too much like us.
This is the first video of Saji I have seen and Im glad I watched it. I feel seen and almost weirdly represented by this creator. I have an articulation disorder and always been overwhelmed when I make mistakes when speaking. The fact you can edit and redo parts of video to make it “perfect” and chose not to meant a lot to me. I definitely have seen more mocking in my life instead of representation. So just thank you for not editing it out ❤
I just found your channel from this video and I love it. I love your vocabulary and the way you speak, and I really appreciate how respectful you are no matter how much you dislike the content you are viewing. I found this video quite intriguing and I loved hearing your take on the subject of what satire is. You have just earned yourself one more subscriber.
I think this kind of content falls more under like meta irony or post irony. It’s definitely not not satire or ironic but i get what you mean, like if no one understands it’s a joke than is it even a joke?
@@Brusselsprout763I feel it’s pretty easy as well. The idea of the person being called “cringe” is already in mind so when it gets called out in a hyper realistic way, the absurdity would add the idea of it not being serious
i feel like the people that make fun of eddie munson fans are usually worse than the fans, it's just people who really like a character they might idolize or relate to, it's especially harmful when these people make fun of them due to the fact lots of neurodivergent people relate to eddie!
im autistic and i was ashamed for relating and liking his character, i had my own friends making fun of me for it because ableism is so normalized today. almost all this continent is ableist. ableist humor is just easy content.
@@magikphoenix140 personally I’m fine with people relating to a certain character, I relate to airy from HFJONE.,..,, he’s my favorite character ever and the way everyone tries to hate him and how he literally doesn’t know right from wrong or social skills is so comforting to me I guess?
@draco hates u literally so true! sometimes I have to watch myself because I have a LOT of internalized ableism as an autistic person😕 sometimes I think that I don’t have autism because so many of my family thinks you have to act severe which isn’t the case (at least for me)!! Luckily I’m not in a physical school so I don’t get bullied but when I’m out in public and there’s another autistic person like me, I still get scared because I’m so nerdy (my hyperfixations are Linux and cats and I’ve done a lot of research on cats) anyways tl;dr you can be autistic with being ableist because it’s so common now, but you can always change ^_^
In my personal opinion as a neurodivergent person I find a lot of these “cringe” viral videos to blatantly be a neurodivergent person just having fun, being themselves, and then an onslaught of hate and memes come their way and it’s just so cruel in my opinion. I appreciate you touched on this cause a lot of commentary creators cater to this idea rather than looking at the judgment objectively and questioning if it’s kind.
reminds me of "Schrödinger's Douchebag"-someone who says/does some terrible awful shit and then decides based off your reaction if it was "just a joke" or not.
so random but as much as I wasn't on board with frosted tips coming back, the way Saji's blonde curls grew out & turned out to be the best frosted tips look I've ever seen still has me shocked
i'm so glad other people feel the same bc i never see criticism of this on tiktok. i've always found it a bit weird how we have repackaged just mocking people as some sort of quality content. especially when most of the time, its random people who just posted a video not expecting it to go viral, and be mocked and remade by others to be bullied.
remember kids it's only satire if you're punching up (ie wealthy elites who's actions influence our lives), if you're punching down (neurodivergent people and literal children just having fun) it's just Bullying
@@xxpromlggamerproxx It would be self-satirizing if it's yourself. Remember satire requires clarity of purpose and critique. it's not satire to just mock people If it's making a joke of the situation you're in it might be Gallows Humour. But you must also be in the gallows! Or else you are in the audience making fun of someone else's misfortune and that is also just bullying (edit: typo)
Wrong. Nobody is making fun of neuro divergent people. Playing an extreme character (which the acts in these videos obviously are...) should not be considered "making fun of literal children and neuro divergent people." Lmfao.
i've noticed a lot of these creators who use "satire" have like subtext ableism i guess, its like they're just teetering on the edge of plainly making fun of autistic people, i can't tell if they're doing it on purpose though but if they are, they're getting away scott free and its so infuriating
“satire” is one of those words where the internet read the definition, removed all key pieces of that definition and placed them in a blender, turned on the blender, and dropkicked it into oblivion, and THEN started overusing the word like the world depends on it. other words that have fallen victim to The Internet Nonsense Blender™ (only 29.99 plus shipping!) include gaslighting, narcissist, and CRT
Yes! If I hear the word "narcissist" ONE MORE TIME... "Trigger (warning)" has been totally f'ed over too. It seems to happen to lots of concepts from psychology & sociology- maybe cos they relate to everyday life, or maybe I just notice cos they're the main subjects I studied. "Meme" used to be a very broad & useful concept in sociology, & I'm disappointed that it's been squished into hyper-specificity to _only_ mean a particular format of internet joke.
@@beth7935 i’m in the exact same boat as you hahaha i think you’re right on the mark with that-we don’t really see medical or engineering terms misused by general society but it’s a lot easier to conflate or misuse terms when there’s some degree of applicability to you or your life. people who know what they mean start using them online and then other people start watering them down or misunderstanding them to feel included (perhaps subconsciously) and now here we are 😭
Honestly, with narcissist specifically that's just yet another case of intense ableism. One of my favourite youtubers I used to watch constantly would regularly use the word as a synonym for "abuser" and after coming to terms with my own NPD I've pretty much stopped watching his content completely. most content creators I've seen use the word incorrectly once or twice but it happened with this one so much, I couldn't watch his stuff anymore.
these kind of tiktoks give me flashbacks to growing up undiagnosed autistic. having people take the piss because i’d never stop talking about whatever thing i was hyperfixating on. or mocking me because i wore the same item of clothing over and over.
ur so right about the stuff in this video. i feel like a lot of people push aside that the fact that most satire/cringe comedy is made (usually not intentionally) to poke fun at autistic/disabled people. i personally find certain satirical comedy funny. i hate things that make fun of others, but i feel like if something that doesn't poke fun at other people specifically and is instead random/satire humor is much funnier. (im autistic btw) cool vid
I think one interesting thing about this genre of content is that these creators kind of get to determine what is and isn't cringe. They don't say why it is, the way that long form content creators like Saji do, they just recreate it and in the process tell the viewer they are supposed to dislike the original content without explaining why.
Reminder; a lot of cringe culture is inherently ableist. Are you cringing? Take a different standpoint. I used to 'cringe' a lot about my past self as an autistic being. I was traumatized by people like this, in those video's, that bullied me for my behaviour until the only thing i could do was copy them. Let's throw 'cringe' out of our vocabulary, and add in more words like 'ignorant'. ( note, I also have a speech impediment which also juggle my words whilst typing) edit: reminder that a multitude of people get hurt by this ableism, not just autistics! I see a lot of ocd 'cringe', schizophrenia, tics, adhd, and soo much more belongs to neurodivergency alone! Sometimes people also make cringe stuff about physically disabled people, so sadly, ableism is everywhere. ( which is then wrapped in racism)
I JUST COMMENTED THIS- i think neurotypical people are inherently ableist from how they are raised, we are different so we are weird therefore they make fun of us. cringe culture is deeply rooted in ableism and making fun of disabled/autistic and mentally ill traits and behaviors. i was forced to mask aswell because i became scared for my life. I'm physically disabled, i use elbow crutches/wheelchair/rollators, I'm autistic and i have tourettes and brain damage and I'm mentally ill, with bipolar1, bpd, ocd, osdd, cptsd, I'm medically psychotic. because of these i have been bullied, harassed, assaulted, abused, taken advantage of, jumped... they don't see me as another human being. i am just easy for them. i am just "crazy" or "weird" or "retarded" or a "junkie", i am just one thing to them, not a whole human being who goes through life like they do.
Ive seen so god awful stuff from being crammed into special ed.. I dont talk about it much but theres just.. Idk.. Ive seen a dude throw an apple at a girl in a club I ran because she thought pokemon sucked, same dude also stabbed me with a pencil for not wanting to be his friend, and then smashed my school laptop on the ground. Sometimes I get sick of other autistic individuals because theres this entitlement from being coddled, at the end of the day, yeah they are people but you shouldn't defend the entirity of the community because of moral bias, all it takes is a few bad sailors to sink a ship.. And then everyone is fucked.
Making fun of and joking about someone/something for being cringe isnt inherently ableist though, so i think it’s extreme to imply people should stop calling things cringey or using the word “cringe”. Sometimes cringe culture can be ableist, but there are also times where it isn’t, e.g. making fun of cringey thirst traps people post on tiktok, the first creator saji talked about in this video who was clearly making fun of fuckboys, etc.
thanks for sharing this video, it sucks mocking those who are wired differently, are different to mainstream societal standards or are simply hyper about what they like has become a sport that's celebrated. That's why I've always felt weird about "cringe culture" as I always thought it's lowkey bullying.
The thing that I think takes the satire a step or two too far is when they themselves go too far. For example, the one about the spicy pic I think is kinda funny. I go to school with guys unironically like that so it's kinda like haha relatable. But that senpai skit I think is just too much. Taking the joke to a point where instead of it being slightly uncomfortable in mocking, it becomes as uncomfortable as what they're mocking. I'm also glad that you mentioned people who (unknowingly or not) make fun of disabled/neurodivergent people. I myself am on the spectrum and it gets really sad and scary to talk about my hyperfixations sometimes. My interests are seen as cringy or obsessive without people really understanding why I devote so much time to these things. As well as being made fun of when I meltdown over a seemingly small thing. I have misophonia and I've had literal panic attacks over the sound of chewing. Or when certain textures/sounds are overwhelming I've had breakdowns over that, too. Not to mention overanalyzing social situations to the point I breakdown. I try to be as welcoming and listen best I can to my friends with autism. And I always feel so horrible when people make fun of them for being "cringy". (Which is part of the reason I do not and will never make fun of and hate on furries.)
I feel like women get more followers this way because no one ever believes we are joking. You can tell people you're just joking and they still think you're a bimbo.
i really appreciate you mentioning the way cringe culture often mocks neurodivergent people, specifically autistic people. because of cringe culture and the way i was treated by my peers when i was younger, i spent a lot of adolescence trying to hide myself, my interests, and who i was for fear that i would be perceived as cringe or weird. it’s only recently that i’ve become comfortable being myself and doing “cringy” things and seeing content like this get so much attention really irks me. i hate the idea of young people feeling the need to hide themselves for fear that grown adults will make mockeries of them💀💀
Reminds of that crunchy mom that everyone thought was satirical but then she started defending the crunchy lifestyle 💀 like it did genuinely seem she first tried to be satire but then became genuine?
ReallyVeryCrunchy? I still check in with her and I really can't tell how serious she is. Like sometimes it feels like she is super crunchy and sometimes it really does feel like satire.
This really is weird. Like you said, a lot of these are on the border of being funny, but they're acting is so hyper realistic that it's hard not to get the same sense of cringe as if they were doing it unironically
it took me a long time to realize that the "weird kid pov"s were meant as bullying and not as nostalgia bait. they just made me fondly remember finding other autistic kids for the first time in middle school.
You mentioning how people are mocking potentially neurodivergent/disabled people (autistic people more that others) genuinely made me feel seen, because I felt like very few people did notice, and thought it was funny. Like when Stranger Things came out a lot of people were mocking "Eddie Stans", which were mostly people who had special interests (something that shows up a lot in the autistic community). Especially that one video where people at a convention were gathered around and in cosplay, and they were just having fun. So many people just made fun of them. It was kind of gross.
Half of this is making fun of autistic traits and the "collab" making fun of content that shows supportive partners of those with EDs seems equally heinous. Normalizing a partner "helping" with EDs and other mental illness is not cringe, it is helpful to show people they don't need to suffer in silence.
The anime couple one makes me kind of sad, because they hardly do anything wrong. The weird possessive stuff could be concerning, but the character immediately qualifies it with "with consent," so, y'know, less worrisome. They come across to me like a neurodivergent couple who found someone who understands all their habits and mannerisms seen as "weird" by neurotypicals. The part that rly makes me sad about it being a joke is the "sorry" "it's okay pookie!" "...thank you." Like that just 1000% sounds like how couples with anxiety or attachment issues talk to each other. Cringe? Maybe. It's in the eye of the becringer. However, regardless, it's wholesome. They're setting healthy boundaries and supporting each other's needs. And the actors even mimic the stiff stances, stiff expressions, rehearsed-looking movements, and fidgeting. Like, do they REALLY not realize that they're JUST acting like someone ND, probably on the spectrum, when they do that? (I hope that's okay for me to say, I have ADHD.) I guess some people are really unaware of that stuff, but ugh, it bothers me so so much :/
I can't stand the "Stiff" everything that shit is soooo hard to hide I'm to prideful to allow anything ND to show honestly they're just cringe I never thought about it on any kind of deeper level most people probably haven't it's tiktok clips yknow most people don't think about them much
That's kind of the whole thing. Yeah I cringed, viscerally, but it wasn't anything harmful or wrong and the hypothetical couple were enjoying their time together. The "weirdos" or whatever that are being "satirized" are just people living their lives - even if it is cringe.
@@rachael5025 Oh you're right, that too!!! Like to give the absolute MOST benefit of the doubt possible,,,They're 1 to 1 someone they know irl, who they don't know is (probably) ND. And I say "benefit of the doubt," but it's not even really one, because that is still straight up bullying. It's just crazy how they know to mock all of those traits and don't even stop to think why some people might have them :(((
the way I reacted to that one was kinda both, like “yeah I think this dynamic is cringe af but it also works for these characters and I respect that”, I’d def be weirded out about it irl but I respect that they (the characters) know each other well does anyone remember the girl who made tiktoks captioned about how she’d pretend to be a wolf, and she’d bark a bunch at the camera? that’s not exactly the same as here since the target of the parody is more clear, but that sort of approach to comedy makes me wonder if some of this humor is to an extent a form of reclamation?? this doesn’t downplay the fact that there are people who are malicious and take on these characteristics to be bullies, but I feel like in some ways I relate to the content as reclamation since I similarly sort of reclaim my own awkwardness in my physical interactions with people by playing up the awkward stuff, the uncomfortable feelings, the weird body language, cuz for me personally it helps me feel in control of my own inhibitions and being compassionate for others who face those too (I suspect I have autism but I’ve never been diagnosed, only with ADD) I really don’t want to enable people who really are being malicious to/exploitative of those who are neurodivergent, I guess this personally is just how I interact with this sort of content is being able to laugh at the stuff that used to set you apart and hold you back, while also being able to find joy in those parts of you as a person (cuz finding more understanding and compassion for myself and recognizing the nuance in others is sorta how my journey has been)
As a teen my ex used my autism against me exactly like that “weeb couple” tiktok. That in a relationship you “owed your partner sex.” Really appreciate a grown ass bully using my trauma and that of many autistic people with similar experiences to show how cringy and annoying we are ✌🏻 (This isn’t a criticism against Saji for including it. Just wanted to comment in case autistic teens read this. You’re great as you are and it’s normal for other people to respect you and your boundaries. Less than that is abuse. You’ll make it through
I'm autistic and have been SA'd frequently since I was 10. I literally just won't flirt or date anymore solely because I actually can't detach from my "I just exist to be screwable meat" trauma at this point. And yes I spent all of my 20s convinced I owed everyone access to me since it was "all I'm good for"
i understand wym but to me it 100% felt like she was making fun of people who f3tishiz3 japanese people and words like ‘senpai’ which is 100000% valid because it’s literally disgusting. she was portraying 2 kids who f3tishiz3 japanese people and view them and their culture as something ‘cute’ and probably think anime is part of jp culture, these are very common acts among those people, not just neurodivergent people.
It’s kinda funny about the alpha pookie thing because I had a class with him last year and he was so damn quiet and nothing like his online persona it’s just weird
tik tok “satire” has also become just making fun of peoples appearances or style. for instance i saw this girl making fun of another girl who had a lot of highlight in the corner of her eyes. it’s strange because it’s like some sort of inside joke with no context that turns out to just be straight up bullying.
thank you for mentioning that a lot of people mock autism and other disabilities because i hardly ever see anyone even acknowledge disabled people especially big creators
Also, with that last guy's content in public, if he's yelling stuff like he was in that video just in an open grocery store people aren't going to get that he's joking. Most people will automatically assume that he's having an episode and may be dangerous, then even if he clears it up after he's done recording and tells everyone around him that it's just a joke, they're going to be left thinking that he was making fun of people with mental disorders that cause real outbursts like this. There's no good outcome.
and on just a raw disturbing the public level: it doesnt matter if he's yelling ironically or not. Hes still fucking yelling and its annoying either way. Its like those pranks where someone fake falls and spills milk all over the grocery store floor, doesnt matter if its a prank or not -theres still a gallon of milk on the fucking floor-
People need to stop yelling and being loud/aggressive in public places as a joke bc there’s literally shootings everywhere now like it’s scary to just be in a Walmart and suddenly hear someone aggressively yelling, like it’s cringe to watch the video but irl, it’s weird and disturbing even could be triggering for some like why the hell are people so embarrassing and shameless online and irl...
the first dude is sorta funny but i feel like sometimes a “you litty fr” slips out when he isn’t recording 😭
sometimes i say lol irl and then cry
Sorta? Lol
Absolutely
@@labyrinthine444 i say it way too often
@@labyrinthine444 same
i think people like the first guy are funnier, because the type of person they’re making fun are usually assholes, not just other people being cringey
THIS.
mocking bad people can be funny, mocking kids or adults living their life without harming anyone is not. Example: Making fun of andrew tate is alright, making fun of a kid dancing is not.
@@ciciamanda. Unless that kid dancing is wearing an Andrew Tate shirt, in which case!
Nobody is "mocking kids or adults living their life without harming anyone" what are you even fucking talking about?
@@NealBonesi mean,, its a kid so…
this is so real. i think that a lot of satire is funny and silly, but most of the time i think it only works if it's "making fun of" a trend or a piece of media or something like that, rather than like a specific type of person who just posted something unironically or acts a certain way unironically
I love ur pfp ☺️
@@emmmu oh god.
heyy it’s freddd
satire requires clarity of purpose and critique. it's not satire to just cruelly mock people.
it’s funny reading this in fred’s voice
it’s painfully obvious why people switched up so fast on eddie munson. everyone and their mother was obsessed with him when the season first came out but the moment actual outcasts and especially neurodivergent people started expressing their love.. cosplays, fansongs, etc. they straight up BULLIED them. they just love the outcast character on screen until actual outcasts start expressing their love and they can’t stand being associated with them now. ill forever be an eddie fan idc 😗
Fr, I'm a ND metalhead and seeing Eddie being unapologetically himself on screen made me feel more confident and I really fixated on him. I got the shirt and found community with other fans and then all of a sudden things started getting really hateful out of nowhere. I would wear the hellfire shirt all the time but I would never wear it out of the house because I seen so many people filming and posting videos online bullying people for wearing it.
I feel like this happens a lot with alt characters in media. Like Wednesday, when something is popular people swarm to it but are the same kind of people to call the local emo kid a freak. I liken it to the NT way of masking.
Sorry for the monologue I am passionate about this subject
They like the alternative outcasts characters when they’re made societally ‘likeable’ and attractive but if an actual person who doesn’t ‘fit in’ finds comfort in it and make fan art or whatever those people are bullied and mocked
real
That was actually crazy to see happen in real time. The fact that stranger things, a show where the main characters are bullied for being nerds, has so many fans that also bully nerds. They can only understand them on TV and in real life they hate them
I don’t think that’s it. I just think people love mocking popular culture because it makes them feel better about themselves
Autistic and ADHD here just to say I genuinely felt like I was being bullied watching some of these. The way they’re talking is the way people used to talk when making fun of me in elementary and middle school. The faces they’re making, the exaggerated posture and crossing of the eyes. It’s all things people did to specifically make fun of me as a kid.
I did not realize this until I read your comment. Now it's all I can see
I like cherdlys and some of midsty's stuff but there was one video about women getting tied up in relationships with toxic men, and claiming to like abusive men over decent men.. I never been in that type of situation, I just don't like men cause of things that happened to me in the past. But to victims of actual abuse, that's not funny. Just immature and stupid.
11:42 this part is what made me feel this way too !
Oh my god is that why they piss me off so much? I thought I was just being a hater 😭
It's painful to watch because it's a caricature 🥲
I feel like that 2010-ish era where "cringe" was at its peak we all suffered. It made me personally so self conscious as not to become one of the weird ones that I couldn't actually enjoy anything.
same! and even as an adult it's hard to express interest into something that's "weird" because it's such an ingrained sense of shame
Frr, last year I stopped using emojis because it wasn't cool anymore but man I love emojis so much I have to use them again. 😌
yeah i’m still so affected by cringe culture. it has definitely affected my ocd a lot too.
True but also just how mad people would get at anyone (especially kids) who just enjoyed the smallest amount of something “cringey”
Dude SAME, i legit used to cover up my ears whenever i went out in public because cringe culture made me scared to even HEAR someone talking about my interests in public
Thinking you're awkward for not disturbing the public is not awkward, dude! It's you being a decent human being. It just feels awkward because a lot of people don't care about others now :'(
Only thing awkward there is actively disturbing the public. Watching videos like that hurts so bad when there’s people in the back just looking and continuing with their lives
imo satire requires a solid joke or it becomes just regular mocking. like, i think the first guy does satire pretty well, there's a clear joke every time while the second girl's content is just "lol isn't this kind of person weird"
so in your opinion its not okay to mock weebs but its okay to mock frat boys?? they are both mostly insecure people using hobbies and groups to build onto their identity.
@@lautaroescarlon7501 as he points out in the video, it’s not making fun of weebs, it’s making fun of disabled people who post those videos unironically, autistic or otherwise. is that not completely different from poking fun at the way some frat guys post?
@@sydneym5595 They both feel very wrong to me. Some frat guys are jerks yeah. But so is any other group autistic or not. We're all people and we all have complex psyches. We didnt know as much about autism as we do now. So who is to say in the future the way popular kids act isnt explored further? Im sure a lot of frat boys and frat girls also suffer from mental problems inherently related to their societal status.
@@sydneym5595 But they're doing the same thing. You're saying it's okay to mock a certain type of person because you don't like them? Because you, subjectively, view them as an asshole? You're just a hypocrite.
Also, nobody is being mocked. Playing an extreme character and mocking are two completely different things. You have no common sense just stfu.
I think the key with satire is a personal belief (or good acting) that it's a joke. It's nuanced behavior & joke delivery that just hits different when it isn't genuinely poking fun of the stereotype or concept, but is instead making fun of the people victimized & targeted by the stereotype or concept.
What we're seeing in some of the examples is viewers susing whether mitzy truly believes her skits are "just jokes". Basically, it's comes across like she "believes in the stereotype" vs believing "the stereotype is the joke." Which are of course, vastly diff things.
The first guy is identifying gross behavior and clearly riffing on it to show how absurd the behavior is. Mitzy feels like she genuinely hates peoples who react to things in ways she doesn’t. Like she just genuinely hates people that are different to her.
She definitely gives off an ableist vibe, like I feel like she chooses not to understand another persons point of view or the way their brain works. Just making fun of them for not having perfect mannerisms (something a lot of neurodivergent people struggle with, including me). Some of her TikToks just genuinely made me uncomfortable.
it’s also just incredibly unfunny. It’s blatant bullying and mocking, I side eye people who actively take in that type of content and belly laugh at that shit
agree 100%
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Holy shit dude. Thank you for being the only person pointing out that a lot of people have disabilities (ex. Autism) and get bullied/parodied for being “cringe” and thank you for pointing out that it really can affect them. Nobody else ever seems to address it.
"cringe culture is dead" mfers when cringe culture survived (and is shaming an entire new generation)
Ok but in isolation, a guy in public screaming "I became very NONchaLANT" is so funny to me
ISTG, I've been replaying and laughing so loud, it's so funny why is he so viscerally yelling🤣😭😭😭💀
I can’t find the time stamp I’ve been looking for 10 mins😭
@bilethumper1912 16:04 Here you go (:
Dunno if you've found it already but
He seems tense
He needs to detoxify himself 😌
Yeah I will say that that part got me cackling
i don't think this is satire, i think it's absurdism
exactly what I'm thinking here, I think now they're fully doing it on their own and hiding behind the "satire" thing.
@@mercy6549 yeah definitely!! Only other option is that have no idea what satire means
Yeah seems like it all has lineage in Tim and Eric and Eric Andres content. Just not as good.
yeah it’s not satire if there is no point being made
It is really the art of not caring. When people learn that it’s easy to do satire like this
thank you saji for bringing up the way people (often unknowingly) mock autistic people by participating in "cringe culture"
Oh I believe they are VERY Knowingly doing it!! Without a doubt!
@@DOCDOCFLAMINGOS i was meaning more that they might not know that theyre mocking autistic people specifically but yes
@@emmahu4543 yeah it really isnt their intention. they are just having fun by making up a character but unfortunately ppl that watch the content dont see it that way
@@beepboop2842 i don't think its right putting it on the viewer either as many of these satire people either directly imitate other creators or take inspiration from other peoples traits which is often neurodivergent, now whether that is intentional or not as an autistic person it hurts seeing people openly mock and overexaggerate traits that you inhibit and have the comment section be filled with people cringing and being disgusted
@@beepboop2842 They arent just making up a character in a vacuum though. They're making up a character who had traits they find "cringey" that are literally just autistic traits
it's absurdist humor i think, tiktok just took the word satire and ran with it straight into hell. also that first lactating video was so painful i had to just close my eyes and shudder for several moments, and when i opened my eyes Saji was huddled up away from the camera so i'm glad it wasn't just me lmao
as an avid moustache goatee combo hater, this actually looks very good on you
RIGHT?!
frrr he look so good
I'm not a fan in general, but he really does pull it off here. Not everyone can do that.
hoping you get better soon🙏being french is such a horrific disease💔
Inshallah he will make it through this
praying for him
french “people”
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@theweekndxo7438 dont forget british "people"
i also think there's a weird element of infantilization that happens, especially with the mitsy ones, that feels gross to me. another convo for another time, i think, but this kind of content is a big reason why i stopped going on tiktok lol. thanks for talking ab it saji!
Infantilization actually has a LOT of connection to ableism! People infantilize a LOT of people with disabilities! Physical & mental! Wheelchair users for example get people who randomly start helping them without consent, think of someone out of nowhere pushing your chair, grabbing groceries for you or picking you up! For mentally disabled people this can be people literally taking over your job because your are seen as unable 'too young in the brain' etc. I have two people close to me who got/get infantilized all the time! They had to push through a lot of expectations of others to get where they are now, both having two stable jobs and getting paid well, but that was after being rejected from a study for being 'not able' (while they definitely were.) Just because neurotypicals forced their expectations on them. I get it too, I sell handmade jewelery which is brightly coloured; the amount of comments I have gotten that it was for kids and not adults was very very odd.
The lactating tiktoks made me physically wince. Even if they weren't supposed to be dehumanizing I felt like I was both sexualized and reduced to a slab of meat (or a glass of milk i guess)
We are no longer tall drinks of water, only glasses of milk 🥛🥲
@@RavensEye10 truly a downgrade
That’s how I feel about those comments that are like “I know it’s pink” like bro you’re literally disgusting
What’s weird is I think the idea is to mock people that think that way but because it seems so real it comes across as his actual personality, which makes it kind of come full circle
these tiktoks make me sit in a corner and think abt what led me there😐😐 You think when's the video is done he sits in awkward silence and regrets it???
i love itsjulyski because hes knowingly mocking guys that are way too full of themselves and make that content online. he has a satirical motive and theres a whole joke to what he’s doing. but… the other creators… i cannot sit through their videos. they are unwatchable. they simply are there to make you uncomfortable and everyone around them uncomfortable. satire is commentary on something with context and that is widely known, and they are just… in general… being annoying and weird/making fun of other people. i call it cringe content instead of satirical because that is simply what it is LMAO.
I just found out about your channel and love it so much already, as an autistic person im so used to seeing commentary creators mock and laugh at my traits, it felt so nice to see you mentioning that a lot of people who are bullied for being "cringe" are just disabled or neurodivergent, thanks :)
mitzy gives me "lele pons" reincarnate vibes, history will always repeat itself
i read that as “mitski” and was left stunned 😭
She is actually just a really good actor. If you’ve ever watched cherdleys or cerspence or any of that crew, she is in their videos all of the time and she does a great job of playing a cringey as fuck character.
@@adrianc6534 yknow I think this video has made me realise there's definitely a difference between Cherdleys written content and just acting like a cringy character for reactions but... They both have a lot of ableism to them, yknow?
@@Emicatmon idubbz and filthy frank (aka Joji) both had ableism and weren't cancelled for it, but that was a long time ago in Internet culture. I personally find this stuff to be silly and not necessarily bad-natured, it's a kind of satire that tows the line on being too edgy, and to some people it is offensive and I understand and appreciate that but personally to me there's way worse you can do while trying to make people laugh.
@@Emicatmon goddddddd
That first alpha pookie video made my boobs recess into my chest with how badly I wanted to get away from that man. Even if it is supposed to be satire that is just plain creepy and uncomfortable. My fight or flight urge is peaked.
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even if it's meant to be satire I cannot stand that man and I can't believe so many people watch what is essentially screaming and bothering people minding their business in public
That video didn't just make me wish I could get rid of my boobs, it made me wish I had never had boobs in the first place, so I wouldn't have to feel so horrified right now
I literally have sat next to that man in a class and after I found his TikTok I never recovered
@@Harperb711 oh god I'm so horrified for you. I would have to move schools after that
Within the furry community we say “if you make fun of vore enough you’ll end up being into it”. By joking about something you associate feelings of joy with that thought and end up enjoying the thing itself.
Yup. I think it’s because your subconscious can’t tell between a joke and serious, so you just end up loving it
THAT’S JUST LIKE HOW SOMEONE I KNOW GOT HIMSELF A FOOT FETISH. he joked about it so much, it turns out he was actually into it 🤣
this is why i enjoy bad sports teams omg this makes so much sense
This is exactly how I became a 1D fan... Arguably much more embarrassing than being into vore
LMFAO perfect example
becoming extremely even more cringy by mocking cringy people is a true talent
Thank you so much for opening my eyes in a way to how these satirical videos can be very abelist/ mock neurodivergent people, because I'm gonna be honest I've seen and liked many of Misty's videos ever since she started making videos centered around like wolf girls and I found it funny because as a kid I used to be that kind of kid who pretended they were an animal or wtv, but recently as I saw her on my fyp it became less funny but I thought it was just because it was supposed to be cringe and make me not wanna watch. U have def opened my eyes to the type of content I was consuming. I also see a lot of people who mock other people's videos and I feel terrible that in a way I was supporting people who were literally just making fun of kids or people who just may not have been neurotypical.
It's quite sad to see her mock furries and such cus a lot of furries are neurodivergent to some extent hence why they feel more comfortable as their fursona and its more used as like an easier way to communicate with others
I really appreciate that a lot of this could be mocking disabled and autistic people. The internalized ableism that I experienced because I was a “weird dnd anime kid” and got bullied for it caused me to feel really uncomfortable with myself until I reached college where I found other people who are like me and living unapologetically that make me feel comfortable to be myself
There is so so much ableism in these!! I have a very similar experience and only recently started healing from it, hope you get that too!
@@princessmanitari4993 how? Explain.
the unfortunate reality is that the world is mostly comprised of neurotypical people and we feel either awkward or uncomfortable by some behavior exhibited by autistic people and sometimes it can be hard to work with them etc
No cause as a high school band member ik what u mean like there’s kids in band who act like this unironically and its making me think abt it bc they’re also autistic and get made fun of all the timeeeeee like
dude im sorry you cant say that has anything to do with mental disabilities there isn't a "weird dnd anime kid syndrome" and there certainly isn't a mental disability causing you to like these things. Its just called being a nerd lmao (not using nerd in a derogative way)
Okay but the 10:30 one made me wheeze. The combination of mocking men who misuse kink/BDSM culture, a white surfer boy accent, girls dancing like spiders, & the fact that what kicked it off was a pun ("eat" not as in "eating food" but as in "they're going off") just pushed my funny buttons the right way.
I think a lot of their videos would come off better if they 1) Laid off the gross-out humor 2) Had better comedic timing for when to end clips, and 3) Tell bits of truth in their vids about what exactly they're mocking. That's when satire works- you're telling truths while mocking the thing. Or else it's powerless, or goes full-circle.
Also the mocking of just eat for me babe (/stop cutting yourself.. for me 🥺) dudes. I found it funny too
i’m living for saji’s mustache era tbh🥱🥱🥱
There’s a certain school of philosophy called meta modernism. In a nutshell it’s acknowledging the medium as a platform to perform but also acknowledging that you are a character in a way. It’s very popular in self referencing media like Deadpool, or TV reboots from the 90s. It’s kinda on a spectrum of sincerity to cringe based how well the viewer knows the “real world version” beyond the content of a certain creator/ character. I’m currently working on a paper/ podcast/ video on this idea and it’s new form: postmetamodernism. You’re really hitting the bullseye on how we express ourselves in the online space.
If you’d ever like recommendations on the subject lmk
this is the first time I heard someone with a stutter other than myself. its interesting to hear a stutter, now i know what I sound like to others as well. Keep going king.
im so glad you brought up the mocking thing i feel like half the time i see content like this im like 'thats just making fun if autistic traits' also, a lot of "cringe" groups like furries/weebs/ "baby gays" are full of neurodivergent and/or really young people.
cringe culture is inherently ableist and deeply rooted in ableism. all of it is, inherently, making fun of disabled, specifically autistic, traits and behaviors. i believe neurotypical people are raised to be ableist and raised to believe the way we act is cringe, uncomfortable, weird, odd and okay to make fun of co were are weird because we are different and they are weirded out by those different than them.
@@dracohatesu9894 you sound chronically online ngl
great comment also i love your profile pic
@@Mewmewio you sound ignorant ngl
@@dracohatesu9894 I don't think it's exclusively ableism, but that's definitely a big part of it. I think the other two contributing factors are age, because cringe culture tends to be even a crueler to children than it is to adults in many cases (my working theory is that it's adults depressed at the capitalist telescape we live in hating people who have the freedom to express themselves) and another is that we've just made it uncool to care. It's like everybody's trying to channel their teenage rebellious phase where being cool means being aloof and uncaring. Passion is frowned upon (which I think definitely overlaps with hyper fixations a little bit).
Cringe culture is so weird because it's just people being upset at people who aren't as bitter and jaded as them.
saji!! i literally just graduated from university and now i get to enjoy this video as a gift :)
Omg a carat 🤭 lmfao
Congrats I wish you the best 👌🏽 🍄❤️
damn that's impressive lmao
congratulations!!
Congrats :D🎉
I also feel the need to cry after watching these. As you said with needing a new word for this instead of satire, that’s how I feel about the word cringe in this. Like it makes my physically cringe, but not even like secondhand embarrassment. It’s like secondhand shame, mixed with fear and disgust and I cannot even explain what parts of it are evoking the reaction. Probably knowing much of it is mocking people with disabilities adds onto that :/
i love people getting famous off making fun of how i acted and forced myself not to act bc of this ableist "humor"
Yes!,
Every time I see mitsy content it just feels like lele pons under the guise of satire. Lele pons tried to be comedic with vine era humor but it just became her persona and stayed that way as the humor grew to be outdated. I derive the same feeling from whatever that “weeb” face is that I get from the quirky vine potato face.
The entire point of this genre of content is to make their audience uncomfortable/cringe, and it works 😭
I think itsjulyski is actually funny because he's making fun guys who are trying to be cool and masculine, basically f-boys. But the second tik toker you shower, amoing fun of furries and anime and stuff, it really did feel like she was just making fun of autistic people.
No.. .. I totally believe the first guy is totally a F boy to some extent if not totally in real life!!!
I mean making fun of furries and weebs doesn’t mean she’s making fun of neurodivergent people….. some furries and weebs are cringy and that has nothing to do with being neurodivergent. Special interests aren’t the only reasons people are into that stuff, nor is everyone in those groups autistic….
@@StamesJevens But the thing is with those groups even if there definitely *are* some cringy people in those communities making fun of those communities as a whole affects more than just the “cringy” people in it
@@StamesJevens it’s the mannerisms that make it clear who she’s making fun of
@@StamesJevens the mannerisms that she’s showing are extremely typical of autistic people. The “stiff” movements, the exaggerated facial expressions, everything about it.
sajis hat is cooler than any piece of clothing I've ever owned.
in the nicest, coolest way possible, the facial hair makes you look like a one hit wonder rap star from the 90s that 30 years later would have his song sped up and made into a tiktok sound. Also the video was very good 👍
right isn't he amazing
I don’t think it’s cringey because it feels “real”. It’s cringey because of how hard the are trying to make fun of certain people. It’s “pick me” and “not like others” all over again
the long pauses after each of these end is such a fucking refreshing gasp of fresh air
When Big Red came out and people were making fun of and cringing at young teenage girl characters, I saw a post that said something like “don’t kill the part of you that’s cringy, kill the part of you that cringes.”
I think in this modern “cringe culture,” if you will, we want to feel like we’re self aware and laughing at things that are self aware, and we go too far. We find something wrong with everything and that’s honestly something I struggle with a lot on the internet in terms of me having made fun of people like this too. Where I think it goes too far is when you cross into this mockery, especially not understanding what you’re making fun of sometimes.
I've been living like this and it's the best way to live. If they're not hurting anyone, don't judge them!
I think you meant Turning Red lol. Big Red is a character from HSMTMTS XD
Whenever I stumble onto a subreddit that's made for like showing "cringey" things, like 50% is just people enjoying stuff they enjoy, 40% is people who just are either Neurodivergent or fat or queer or disabled in some way and they're just existing, and the last 10% is stuff that is actually cringey.
Cringe culture really just feels like it's there to make fun of anyone who doesn't fit into societal standards.
The issue with satire is that it is meant to criticize or call attention to something. This can end up going both ways. Are they criticing societal reactions or are they criticizing the people? Even if they are criticizing society, satire has to be recognized to be effective. Satire of societal racism just looks like racism if it's not recognized. The best example I can think of is FilthyFrank. He created a caricature of a human being and there were a lot of people who genuinely liked and agreed with that persona. So in his fanbase, there were two groups, the people who got the joke and the people who related to the caricature. Honestly, I think as long as they have some other platform where they do something else then things are fine. Joji made music outside his FilthyFrank persona and people could see that he was completely different in reality.
That’s like people saying some racist thing with the 👴🏻 emoji after. Like it’s so overdone it’s just people trying to get away with racism by claiming it’s satire
@@thebuilder5271 People use it as an excuse because it is often true. Usually though, you can actually look at what they usually post to determine the truth. And sometimes it is be both satirical and racist.
then by ur logic its satire. they are criticising people who behave in weird or cringey ways by pumping the things that make them so weird to the max for a character and mocking them through that character by showing them how weird those behaviours are
Shits just funny bro
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i feel really uncomfy with people makign fun of people for really liking specific characters. As an autistic person, I find that i tend to hyperfixazte on characters or games, and its really harmful to see people mocking it because its not like i want to hyperfixate on a character, I just dont really have a choice. Its reall y hurtful and has real world consequences such as increased bullying for autistic traits. I'm glad Saji pointed it out :3
'digital shit stain" [12:04] is so fucking hilarious
the “you missed your chance sweetheart” sent me 😭
i know all the comments are already saying this but im glad that you mentioned how a lot of “cringe culture” is rooted in ableism a lot of the time. im neurodivergent and i used to be really hyperfixated on certain things that a lot of the internet hated, which was honestly really sad because i obviously cant control my hyperfixations and i cant stop them just because others dont like it. ive always hated the term cringe in general but im really glad you made this video saji!! :)
yeah, i have adhd and used to fixate on DSMP because i really liked the story and minecraft at the time but slowly forced myself to stop liking it just because so many of my peers hated it :”)
@@Meckolo LITERALLY SAME LOL thats exactly what i was talking about in my comment!! im sorry you had to force yourself to stop liking it though, if youre not harming anyone i dont see any problem with it tbh
@@kalkxx yeah, it really sucks when something that’s so dear to you is brushed off as cringe and gross by other people who just don’t understand and aren’t willing to learn :(
@@Meckolo you liked minecraft content which was extremely popular and mainstream and then stopped liking it when people said it wasn't cool.. sounds like youre a bandwagoner lol, no idea how that relates to mental illness.
@@bruh-bh3kk what about being pressured into stop fixating (something my ADHD makes me do) on something by people and media around me is bandwagoning? It’s not like i actually wanted to stop enjoying it but as people started to hate it more and more and my fixation died down i forced myself not to enjoy it even if i did want to enjoy it still.
I’m sorry if that’s what you think but i’d prefer not to argue with someone online who knows nothing about what i experienced, maybe don’t assume things like that lol.
Let’s all give a moment of silence for Saji’s lost brain cells and his noble sacrifice to make us all laugh🙏🏻😭
God in a way he kinda adds to the satirical content which kinda makes the satire even funnier. Tik tok satire is just a very weird genre bruh.
Content especially like mitsy can 100% just be underlying ableism (not saying it is all the time BUT it is common) and a lot of content like that is basically just to make fun of the ""weird"" kids, who in most, if not all, cases are autistic or have ADHD much like myself. Her type of content is just essentially middle school bullying and that's why its so unfunny and just feels like she just wants to make fun of neurodivergent kids with special interests in something
Also sidenote I should add, tiktok being full of fetish content is also a good topic to go over since it seems to relate to it being covered up by ""satire""
@@chief2459 Ok, then this doesn’t involve you then? I really don’t wanna argue over something that’s clearly just tiktok humor being ableist towards autistic people
@@netartist yeah exactly!! It just felt very specific in that way because of her behavior
@@chief2459 you grew out of it, neurodivergent people do not. its plainly just fact that a lot of "weird" behaviors that neurotypical kids get bullied for are because the behavior is associated with neurodivergence. we as neurodivergent (especially autistic) people do not get to simply grow out of being socially inept, having very specific patterns of speaking/moving/reacting/processing, or having extremely strong interests in hyper specific things. im 21, i still talk in the same strange patterns i did when i was just "the weird kid", i still react in ways people find "cringey" despite it being hardwired into my brain and something i cannot change. watching people mock my behaviors for "comedy" is mortifying. not everything is about you, if the experience doesnt apply then its not about you. what a selfish way of thinking to believe a comment specifically about neurodivergent people who are considered our own brand of bizzare and cringey is actually meant to include neurotypicals like yourself who get bullied simply for being too much like us.
@@chief2459weird take
This is the first video of Saji I have seen and Im glad I watched it. I feel seen and almost weirdly represented by this creator. I have an articulation disorder and always been overwhelmed when I make mistakes when speaking. The fact you can edit and redo parts of video to make it “perfect” and chose not to meant a lot to me. I definitely have seen more mocking in my life instead of representation. So just thank you for not editing it out ❤
I just found your channel from this video and I love it. I love your vocabulary and the way you speak, and I really appreciate how respectful you are no matter how much you dislike the content you are viewing. I found this video quite intriguing and I loved hearing your take on the subject of what satire is. You have just earned yourself one more subscriber.
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I think this kind of content falls more under like meta irony or post irony. It’s definitely not not satire or ironic but i get what you mean, like if no one understands it’s a joke than is it even a joke?
I feel like it's so easy to understand if something is satire or ironic though I feel like most get it😭
@selenite. the uncertainty in my opinion Is what makes it truly satire I think it's kind of an esoteric thing sometimes
@@Brusselsprout763 yeah same
@@Brusselsprout763I feel it’s pretty easy as well. The idea of the person being called “cringe” is already in mind so when it gets called out in a hyper realistic way, the absurdity would add the idea of it not being serious
i feel like the people that make fun of eddie munson fans are usually worse than the fans, it's just people who really like a character they might idolize or relate to, it's especially harmful when these people make fun of them due to the fact lots of neurodivergent people relate to eddie!
wait..WHAT😭as an autistic person, I thought that people liked Eddie because he’s “”hot””.. I am so sad now omg
@@rickysaltlick as somebody who is neurodivergent,yes that is part of the reason but I also liked him because he was relatable to me
im autistic and i was ashamed for relating and liking his character, i had my own friends making fun of me for it because ableism is so normalized today. almost all this continent is ableist. ableist humor is just easy content.
@@magikphoenix140 personally I’m fine with people relating to a certain character, I relate to airy from HFJONE.,..,, he’s my favorite character ever and the way everyone tries to hate him and how he literally doesn’t know right from wrong or social skills is so comforting to me I guess?
@draco hates u literally so true! sometimes I have to watch myself because I have a LOT of internalized ableism as an autistic person😕 sometimes I think that I don’t have autism because so many of my family thinks you have to act severe which isn’t the case (at least for me)!! Luckily I’m not in a physical school so I don’t get bullied but when I’m out in public and there’s another autistic person like me, I still get scared because I’m so nerdy (my hyperfixations are Linux and cats and I’ve done a lot of research on cats) anyways tl;dr you can be autistic with being ableist because it’s so common now, but you can always change ^_^
In my personal opinion as a neurodivergent person I find a lot of these “cringe” viral videos to blatantly be a neurodivergent person just having fun, being themselves, and then an onslaught of hate and memes come their way and it’s just so cruel in my opinion. I appreciate you touched on this cause a lot of commentary creators cater to this idea rather than looking at the judgment objectively and questioning if it’s kind.
reminds me of "Schrödinger's Douchebag"-someone who says/does some terrible awful shit and then decides based off your reaction if it was "just a joke" or not.
every time i thought it couldn’t get worse i was proven wrong
so random but as much as I wasn't on board with frosted tips coming back, the way Saji's blonde curls grew out & turned out to be the best frosted tips look I've ever seen still has me shocked
as an autistic person with ocd that is very based on how other people and how they see me cringe culture has kinda like ruined my mental health
You’re like that meme ’Maybe I’m Cringe’
Love how when it’s a certain topic all of sudden everyone has this or that too lol
@@MrAjking808 it's almost like the video is very closely related to neurodivergent issues, thus neurodivergent people will, naturally, watch it
i'm so glad other people feel the same bc i never see criticism of this on tiktok. i've always found it a bit weird how we have repackaged just mocking people as some sort of quality content. especially when most of the time, its random people who just posted a video not expecting it to go viral, and be mocked and remade by others to be bullied.
there is the exception of people mocking douchebags on tiktok, similar to the first type of videos. thats funny as hell.
Ive said for years that "doing something ironically" for long enough, just means you're doing the thing
remember kids it's only satire if you're punching up (ie wealthy elites who's actions influence our lives), if you're punching down (neurodivergent people and literal children just having fun) it's just Bullying
What if you punch on the same level or punch yourself
@@xxpromlggamerproxx It would be self-satirizing if it's yourself. Remember satire requires clarity of purpose and critique. it's not satire to just mock people
If it's making a joke of the situation you're in it might be Gallows Humour. But you must also be in the gallows! Or else you are in the audience making fun of someone else's misfortune and that is also just bullying
(edit: typo)
@@sid6484 yes
THIS.
Wrong. Nobody is making fun of neuro divergent people. Playing an extreme character (which the acts in these videos obviously are...) should not be considered "making fun of literal children and neuro divergent people." Lmfao.
i've noticed a lot of these creators who use "satire" have like subtext ableism i guess, its like they're just teetering on the edge of plainly making fun of autistic people, i can't tell if they're doing it on purpose though but if they are, they're getting away scott free and its so infuriating
“satire” is one of those words where the internet read the definition, removed all key pieces of that definition and placed them in a blender, turned on the blender, and dropkicked it into oblivion, and THEN started overusing the word like the world depends on it. other words that have fallen victim to The Internet Nonsense Blender™ (only 29.99 plus shipping!) include gaslighting, narcissist, and CRT
Yes! If I hear the word "narcissist" ONE MORE TIME... "Trigger (warning)" has been totally f'ed over too. It seems to happen to lots of concepts from psychology & sociology- maybe cos they relate to everyday life, or maybe I just notice cos they're the main subjects I studied. "Meme" used to be a very broad & useful concept in sociology, & I'm disappointed that it's been squished into hyper-specificity to _only_ mean a particular format of internet joke.
@@beth7935 i’m in the exact same boat as you hahaha i think you’re right on the mark with that-we don’t really see medical or engineering terms misused by general society but it’s a lot easier to conflate or misuse terms when there’s some degree of applicability to you or your life. people who know what they mean start using them online and then other people start watering them down or misunderstanding them to feel included (perhaps subconsciously) and now here we are 😭
@@sylmaerie The suffering of studying the Humanities is real! 🤣
Honestly, with narcissist specifically that's just yet another case of intense ableism.
One of my favourite youtubers I used to watch constantly would regularly use the word as a synonym for "abuser" and after coming to terms with my own NPD I've pretty much stopped watching his content completely.
most content creators I've seen use the word incorrectly once or twice but it happened with this one so much, I couldn't watch his stuff anymore.
these kind of tiktoks give me flashbacks to growing up undiagnosed autistic. having people take the piss because i’d never stop talking about whatever thing i was hyperfixating on. or mocking me because i wore the same item of clothing over and over.
ur so right about the stuff in this video. i feel like a lot of people push aside that the fact that most satire/cringe comedy is made (usually not intentionally) to poke fun at autistic/disabled people. i personally find certain satirical comedy funny. i hate things that make fun of others, but i feel like if something that doesn't poke fun at other people specifically and is instead random/satire humor is much funnier. (im autistic btw) cool vid
I think one interesting thing about this genre of content is that these creators kind of get to determine what is and isn't cringe. They don't say why it is, the way that long form content creators like Saji do, they just recreate it and in the process tell the viewer they are supposed to dislike the original content without explaining why.
i think people just assume that by doing satire you’re inherently being funny but they don’t realise that you still actually have to be funny
Reminder; a lot of cringe culture is inherently ableist. Are you cringing? Take a different standpoint. I used to 'cringe' a lot about my past self as an autistic being. I was traumatized by people like this, in those video's, that bullied me for my behaviour until the only thing i could do was copy them. Let's throw 'cringe' out of our vocabulary, and add in more words like 'ignorant'. ( note, I also have a speech impediment which also juggle my words whilst typing) edit: reminder that a multitude of people get hurt by this ableism, not just autistics! I see a lot of ocd 'cringe', schizophrenia, tics, adhd, and soo much more belongs to neurodivergency alone! Sometimes people also make cringe stuff about physically disabled people, so sadly, ableism is everywhere. ( which is then wrapped in racism)
1000000% this, thank you!!
I JUST COMMENTED THIS- i think neurotypical people are inherently ableist from how they are raised, we are different so we are weird therefore they make fun of us. cringe culture is deeply rooted in ableism and making fun of disabled/autistic and mentally ill traits and behaviors. i was forced to mask aswell because i became scared for my life. I'm physically disabled, i use elbow crutches/wheelchair/rollators, I'm autistic and i have tourettes and brain damage and I'm mentally ill, with bipolar1, bpd, ocd, osdd, cptsd, I'm medically psychotic. because of these i have been bullied, harassed, assaulted, abused, taken advantage of, jumped... they don't see me as another human being. i am just easy for them. i am just "crazy" or "weird" or "retarded" or a "junkie", i am just one thing to them, not a whole human being who goes through life like they do.
Ive seen so god awful stuff from being crammed into special ed.. I dont talk about it much but theres just.. Idk.. Ive seen a dude throw an apple at a girl in a club I ran because she thought pokemon sucked, same dude also stabbed me with a pencil for not wanting to be his friend, and then smashed my school laptop on the ground. Sometimes I get sick of other autistic individuals because theres this entitlement from being coddled, at the end of the day, yeah they are people but you shouldn't defend the entirity of the community because of moral bias, all it takes is a few bad sailors to sink a ship.. And then everyone is fucked.
What does racism have to do with ableism lol
Making fun of and joking about someone/something for being cringe isnt inherently ableist though, so i think it’s extreme to imply people should stop calling things cringey or using the word “cringe”. Sometimes cringe culture can be ableist, but there are also times where it isn’t, e.g. making fun of cringey thirst traps people post on tiktok, the first creator saji talked about in this video who was clearly making fun of fuckboys, etc.
thanks for sharing this video, it sucks mocking those who are wired differently, are different to mainstream societal standards or are simply hyper about what they like has become a sport that's celebrated. That's why I've always felt weird about "cringe culture" as I always thought it's lowkey bullying.
The thing that I think takes the satire a step or two too far is when they themselves go too far.
For example, the one about the spicy pic I think is kinda funny. I go to school with guys unironically like that so it's kinda like haha relatable.
But that senpai skit I think is just too much. Taking the joke to a point where instead of it being slightly uncomfortable in mocking, it becomes as uncomfortable as what they're mocking.
I'm also glad that you mentioned people who (unknowingly or not) make fun of disabled/neurodivergent people. I myself am on the spectrum and it gets really sad and scary to talk about my hyperfixations sometimes. My interests are seen as cringy or obsessive without people really understanding why I devote so much time to these things.
As well as being made fun of when I meltdown over a seemingly small thing. I have misophonia and I've had literal panic attacks over the sound of chewing. Or when certain textures/sounds are overwhelming I've had breakdowns over that, too. Not to mention overanalyzing social situations to the point I breakdown.
I try to be as welcoming and listen best I can to my friends with autism. And I always feel so horrible when people make fun of them for being "cringy". (Which is part of the reason I do not and will never make fun of and hate on furries.)
Also when satire gets to the point of like "no one acts like this 😭"
2:49 i am losing it at the deeep laugh
He really said "AHUHUHUHUHUHUH"
EHEHEHEHEHE
the last guy is like those guys that would moan in class every single day and think its the funniest thing ever
God I hate those people so much
Also the people who say “ayoo that’s kinda sus/gay/whatever” when anyone says anything at all
I feel like women get more followers this way because no one ever believes we are joking. You can tell people you're just joking and they still think you're a bimbo.
For real
i really appreciate you mentioning the way cringe culture often mocks neurodivergent people, specifically autistic people. because of cringe culture and the way i was treated by my peers when i was younger, i spent a lot of adolescence trying to hide myself, my interests, and who i was for fear that i would be perceived as cringe or weird. it’s only recently that i’ve become comfortable being myself and doing “cringy” things and seeing content like this get so much attention really irks me. i hate the idea of young people feeling the need to hide themselves for fear that grown adults will make mockeries of them💀💀
Reminds of that crunchy mom that everyone thought was satirical but then she started defending the crunchy lifestyle 💀 like it did genuinely seem she first tried to be satire but then became genuine?
ReallyVeryCrunchy? I still check in with her and I really can't tell how serious she is. Like sometimes it feels like she is super crunchy and sometimes it really does feel like satire.
This man is very fine that’s all
he isss:)
This really is weird. Like you said, a lot of these are on the border of being funny, but they're acting is so hyper realistic that it's hard not to get the same sense of cringe as if they were doing it unironically
half of this seems like unfunny bullying and the other half is kink content disguised as """satire"""
are you sure?
it took me a long time to realize that the "weird kid pov"s were meant as bullying and not as nostalgia bait. they just made me fondly remember finding other autistic kids for the first time in middle school.
You mentioning how people are mocking potentially neurodivergent/disabled people (autistic people more that others) genuinely made me feel seen, because I felt like very few people did notice, and thought it was funny. Like when Stranger Things came out a lot of people were mocking "Eddie Stans", which were mostly people who had special interests (something that shows up a lot in the autistic community). Especially that one video where people at a convention were gathered around and in cosplay, and they were just having fun. So many people just made fun of them. It was kind of gross.
Half of this is making fun of autistic traits and the "collab" making fun of content that shows supportive partners of those with EDs seems equally heinous. Normalizing a partner "helping" with EDs and other mental illness is not cringe, it is helpful to show people they don't need to suffer in silence.
I'm early for once 💀
Satire is sometimes cringe
same here
Sometimes thats the point
@Gumball Watterson yeah but just cause someone called it satire, that doesn't mean that it's good lol
The anime couple one makes me kind of sad, because they hardly do anything wrong. The weird possessive stuff could be concerning, but the character immediately qualifies it with "with consent," so, y'know, less worrisome. They come across to me like a neurodivergent couple who found someone who understands all their habits and mannerisms seen as "weird" by neurotypicals.
The part that rly makes me sad about it being a joke is the "sorry" "it's okay pookie!" "...thank you." Like that just 1000% sounds like how couples with anxiety or attachment issues talk to each other. Cringe? Maybe. It's in the eye of the becringer. However, regardless, it's wholesome. They're setting healthy boundaries and supporting each other's needs.
And the actors even mimic the stiff stances, stiff expressions, rehearsed-looking movements, and fidgeting. Like, do they REALLY not realize that they're JUST acting like someone ND, probably on the spectrum, when they do that? (I hope that's okay for me to say, I have ADHD.) I guess some people are really unaware of that stuff, but ugh, it bothers me so so much :/
I can't stand the "Stiff" everything that shit is soooo hard to hide I'm to prideful to allow anything ND to show honestly they're just cringe I never thought about it on any kind of deeper level most people probably haven't it's tiktok clips yknow most people don't think about them much
That's kind of the whole thing. Yeah I cringed, viscerally, but it wasn't anything harmful or wrong and the hypothetical couple were enjoying their time together.
The "weirdos" or whatever that are being "satirized" are just people living their lives - even if it is cringe.
i def noticed the avoiding looking at the camera like avoiding eye contact
@@rachael5025 Oh you're right, that too!!! Like to give the absolute MOST benefit of the doubt possible,,,They're 1 to 1 someone they know irl, who they don't know is (probably) ND. And I say "benefit of the doubt," but it's not even really one, because that is still straight up bullying.
It's just crazy how they know to mock all of those traits and don't even stop to think why some people might have them :(((
the way I reacted to that one was kinda both, like “yeah I think this dynamic is cringe af but it also works for these characters and I respect that”, I’d def be weirded out about it irl but I respect that they (the characters) know each other well
does anyone remember the girl who made tiktoks captioned about how she’d pretend to be a wolf, and she’d bark a bunch at the camera? that’s not exactly the same as here since the target of the parody is more clear, but that sort of approach to comedy makes me wonder if some of this humor is to an extent a form of reclamation?? this doesn’t downplay the fact that there are people who are malicious and take on these characteristics to be bullies, but I feel like in some ways I relate to the content as reclamation since I similarly sort of reclaim my own awkwardness in my physical interactions with people by playing up the awkward stuff, the uncomfortable feelings, the weird body language, cuz for me personally it helps me feel in control of my own inhibitions and being compassionate for others who face those too (I suspect I have autism but I’ve never been diagnosed, only with ADD)
I really don’t want to enable people who really are being malicious to/exploitative of those who are neurodivergent, I guess this personally is just how I interact with this sort of content is being able to laugh at the stuff that used to set you apart and hold you back, while also being able to find joy in those parts of you as a person (cuz finding more understanding and compassion for myself and recognizing the nuance in others is sorta how my journey has been)
When will "just an opinion" be what it is transphobia
Please put a flashing warning if you can at any point. The filter at 9:30 messes with my epilepsy. Thanks for another awesome video!
i liked and subbed just because of obama. youre welcome saji.
you’re 😂
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Obama whispered in my ear and told me to like this comment as well
OBAMNA 😩
@@Eliqueme fuck, you beat me to it
As a teen my ex used my autism against me exactly like that “weeb couple” tiktok. That in a relationship you “owed your partner sex.” Really appreciate a grown ass bully using my trauma and that of many autistic people with similar experiences to show how cringy and annoying we are ✌🏻
(This isn’t a criticism against Saji for including it. Just wanted to comment in case autistic teens read this. You’re great as you are and it’s normal for other people to respect you and your boundaries. Less than that is abuse. You’ll make it through
I'm autistic and have been SA'd frequently since I was 10. I literally just won't flirt or date anymore solely because I actually can't detach from my "I just exist to be screwable meat" trauma at this point.
And yes I spent all of my 20s convinced I owed everyone access to me since it was "all I'm good for"
my partner did this to me too. said the exact same thing i owe him sex. i’m autistic as well.
@@kaydwessie296 stay strong, friend. Youre not alone in this world 💖
Im so sorry to hear what youve had to go through
disabled autistic teen here to agree and show my resentment towards folk who take advantage of disabled folks because we are "easy"
i understand wym but to me it 100% felt like she was making fun of people who f3tishiz3 japanese people and words like ‘senpai’ which is 100000% valid because it’s literally disgusting. she was portraying 2 kids who f3tishiz3 japanese people and view them and their culture as something ‘cute’ and probably think anime is part of jp culture, these are very common acts among those people, not just neurodivergent people.
It’s kinda funny about the alpha pookie thing because I had a class with him last year and he was so damn quiet and nothing like his online persona it’s just weird
tik tok “satire” has also become just making fun of peoples appearances or style. for instance i saw this girl making fun of another girl who had a lot of highlight in the corner of her eyes. it’s strange because it’s like some sort of inside joke with no context that turns out to just be straight up bullying.
0:23 why does he sound like the "mama" doll soundbyte for a split second 😂
Thank you! I subscribed and obama came over and did the griddy! 10/10 channel
Alpha Pookie makes me uncomfortable and overstimulated so I blocked him 😍
“Who are you when youre not performing for evryone else”
thank you for mentioning that a lot of people mock autism and other disabilities because i hardly ever see anyone even acknowledge disabled people especially big creators
Also, with that last guy's content in public, if he's yelling stuff like he was in that video just in an open grocery store people aren't going to get that he's joking. Most people will automatically assume that he's having an episode and may be dangerous, then even if he clears it up after he's done recording and tells everyone around him that it's just a joke, they're going to be left thinking that he was making fun of people with mental disorders that cause real outbursts like this. There's no good outcome.
and on just a raw disturbing the public level: it doesnt matter if he's yelling ironically or not. Hes still fucking yelling and its annoying either way. Its like those pranks where someone fake falls and spills milk all over the grocery store floor, doesnt matter if its a prank or not -theres still a gallon of milk on the fucking floor-
y’all are telling me you DONT lactate out of excitement when you see Sid from toy story as a college dropout???
saji is so real for this and every other video he has ever posted
People need to stop yelling and being loud/aggressive in public places as a joke bc there’s literally shootings everywhere now like it’s scary to just be in a Walmart and suddenly hear someone aggressively yelling, like it’s cringe to watch the video but irl, it’s weird and disturbing even could be triggering for some like why the hell are people so embarrassing and shameless online and irl...
You kind of remind me of Jarvis Johnson with your speaking patterns and stuff in the most positive way possible
10:49 I legit just starting slamming down the rest of my rice and beans at this exact moment, I was caught so off guard💀💀💀💀💀