Can you please explain the wasiyat(will) in favour of imam Hasan by imam Ali where in he mentioned that there is no wall exist between Allah and his creature, that is men, and doesn't allow anybody to act as agent between them.(nehjul balaghah)
Ali Hur Kamoonouri ke channel Al Islaah per jaakar inka content dekh le'n. Inke aqayed musallamaate aqaed e Imamiya ke khilaaf aur shar aur fitna e fikr per based hain. Total wahabi approach ho gayi hai aur turfa tamaasha ye hai ki jo ye bayaan kar rahe hain ba naame islaah wahi asl shiyat hai aur jo aaj shiyat rayej hai wo ghaaliyon ki banayi huyi hai. Ye aadmi bilkul gumraah ho chuka hai, munkire Imamat e ilaahiya hai, munkire Imame Zamana (atfs) hai, munkire shahadate Sayyeda (sa) hai aur unke dushmano aur qatilon ko defend karta hai
Agha salam. May I humbly put before you following points: Why always we draw a parallel between our approach to worldly people like president or king with our approach to Allah? Allah doesn't need any mediator to reach to Him for fulfilling duas. At several places He warns not to seek help from anyone other than Him. Doesn't this 'anyone' includes Ahlalbait? Moreover Agha why should we enter into uncharted territory of possible shirk? Moreover Agha Islam is a way of leading a decent life. One can lead a good life what He wants is only through Oneness of Him by fearing Him only and by loving Him only. Else we will be busy doing several unwanted rituals just to appease personalities like Ahlalbait , Ghaus, Chishti etc. to seek their help in fulfilling our duas. Another thing Agha instead of highlighting highest quality of examples presented by Ahlalbait in leading quality life we have ended up, unfortunately, in defending fatwa of kufr. I am fully convinced that the concept of Waseela should be limited to seeking knowledge from Ahlalbait in understanding Allah and to feel the severity of love for Him as shown by Karbala and worship of Allah by Imam Zainulabideen A.S. No need to give super natural powers to anyone which belongs to Allah only. I am sorry if my comments cause any inconvenience. Regards
Allah has not reached you directly. He used the waseela of Holy Prophet s.a.w and the Holy Imams. Similarly you cannot reach him directly (be it in your journey or duaa) - you have to use the waseela of Ahlul bayt a.s Prophet Adam a.s (our father) - was forgiven after using the waseela of Ahlul bayt a.s Please be good sons and follow the tradition of your and my father!!!
Brother read original told by Imam Ali and other imams, see Nahjul Balagah Sermon 110, sure fatiha so many evidences for direct connection with Allah without any need of intercession.
@@trueman9641 this goes against the quran, what are you even blabbering. Do you also pray to the imams because you cannot directly pray to Allah. All of the prophets and imams are buried under ground. Are you still going to ask them for your needs. Allah says in the quran amma yujibul midhara idha wayakshfusu Or fa ini qaribu wujibu dawata dae idha da'aan
if you watched the other sessions you would get the answer. it is not obligatory to call awliya in dua. it is an option. if you want to get your dua to be answered quicker. you like many others have shallow understanding of the chain of causes. not calling other than allah in quranic terminology means calling them and considering them independent from allah like the way idol worshipers did. was it shirk wen jesus went and told people that i can heal your blind and i can revive your deads and people came and ask him to do so? was it shirk? or by the permission from allah? you have to learn what are the names of allah that allah taught Adam not the angels.
In all due respect maula, you are not really addressing his points and refuting them but using other narrations and hadith...please use Quran and authentic hadith to prove your points
Agha this argument does not make sense at all. Islam dint come to conform to the existing beliefs of people, otherwise prophet would be the first to hide the message of tawheed from the beduins and call out their shirk. Similarly in this khutba, there is no fear on Amir ul momineen to hide the type of tawassul that your are talking about. The khutba is about the most afdhal tawassul, there is no reason for him to not mention the tawassul that you are promoting, other than the fact that such tawassul is not part of islam. In the khutba imam ali also mentions zakat, but no mention of khums 😅 now you would say this was also too hard for people to digest? It seems like unfortunately shias have taken only the secret cultish views which were promoted by the ghulat and then used taqayya card to explain why the quran or imams never endorsed these views openly.
Dear brother I do not know if you listened to the whole episode or not. I guess you did not, since I explained that we have to put all hadiths and verses concerning one issue together and then to get to a conclusion on that. If you listen to episode 2 of our lectures you will see there are plenty of hadiths introducing imams specifically Imam Ali as wasilah. Thus, you cannot insist that because one hadith is silent so Imams are not wasialh. As it is well established in jurisprudence that a statement can be taken as absolute (Mutlaq) if there is no joint or separate indicator (Gharinah) against it. Otherwise, that absolute statement will be interpreted in accordance to that context and indicator. Hence, here when we have many hadiths to say imams are wasilah, then this hadith of nahjulbalagha will not reject imams being a wasilah but those hadiths will interpret this hadith as well. Therefore, there must be a reason why wilayah of imams is not mentioned in the referred khutbah of Imam Ali. In brief, a scholar cannot take a hadith that appeals to him and ignore may others but he has to put all together. And if you want to come to a conclusion you should listen to our whole episodes on the issue. wassalam
@@mortezaaghamohammadi5397 thank you for the response Agha. I did watch the video and will listen to all other parts carefully. Inshallah hoping for more evidence to support the view.
@@meesammujtaba3190 pleasure my brother. insha allah i will upload the other episodes to complete the course on this issue. in fact, the first episode is just the preface and the arguments are raised from the episode 2
To do taqiyya from ghulat seems to be essential in your perspective as well. If there r people ready to make someone a God, it is because that person holds some powers for example Jesus had the power to reincarnate. This is not shirk at all. He also had the power to listen to people from their homes. What's the problem if I ask him to bring someone to life now? When he had these powers when alive how come he doesn't have when he passed away?
If it was halal in his life, how come it is shirk later on? Has God changed? If God is same than how come huqooq of God or tawheed changes based on people ?
What do we need tawasul for?...if it is to get to God quickly... I'll be faster than you in getting to God because you have to search for him but as for me HE is closer to me than my jugular vein...stop deceiving yourself you can be whatever you want without exaggeration but I'm sure even if you find it true you won't follow because of your POSITION OR POWER OR MONEY..its always a worldly things ... do tawasul to the one *who *knows you're going to do tawasul to someone else
the answer to your misconception is there in the lectures. however, it is because you have confused physical closeness to spiritual one. in physical closeness if A is 1 meter away from B then B also is 1 meter form A but in the spritual one, A can be close to B but B being very far. like a teacher who likes his student so much and is close to him but the student hates the very teacher. Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein but are you that close? if yes then why your perform salat and say ghurbatan ila allah and seek closeness to him????? you have wahhabi mentality my brother the rest of your words is the mad propaganda. where is my interest in your tawasul to imams or the prophet?
Honestly this is so non sense cringe it is unreal. It is all about keeping your sect and your shrine business running. You can as the Prophet and Ahl Bayt did call on Allah alone, it is purest tawheed, not even a shadow of doubt it is correct. Simple. Easy. Certainty against error. But no, let’s defend using human beings who went to toilet and slept and were hungry, let’s use them and literally forget Allah. I lived all my life amongst Shia in Iran iraq and else where. Allah is unknown almost, buried in the imam worship.
I fully agree and understand you brother. If you know farsi watch ustad allameh mostafa tabatabaie lectures. The scholar is so learned in quran mashallah, he breaks their idols. Or marhoom ayatullah borqei was also a god send in this issue.
@@mortezaaghamohammadi5397 I am a follower of Ahl Bayt and not the Safavid religion. Simple. Anyone who has been to Iran knows that people there have massively rejected Islam today as a consequence of the mullahs. The rest of the Islamic world focused on tawheed and no matter the excesses of government they remain Muslims. And I did not just spend time in Iraq and Iran but ima. Son of the hawza of Najaf
@@cmsacademy1673 then this is your ignorance that you think tawassul is safavid issue. if yo do not know bother yourself and learn. but still i doubt you being follower of ahlulbayt. may be you mean saudi household
@@mortezaaghamohammadi5397 tawasul as practiced by most twelver shias today is nothing but shirk and contrary to everything the Ahl Bayt stood for. Imam worship is their real religion. But those idols can’t help anyone as they themselves are in need of Allah
By calling for help does it imply that a person is associating partnership with Allah (SWT)? It is only Allah (SWT) who knows what is in our hearts and what are our deeds. I had assumed that Hindus were worshipping idols, but they don't, they try to reach God, through Idols, of course, is a wrong concept. Those who are calling for help, do not worship these entities, indeed they know Allah (SWT) is the Creator and a sustainer. Those who are calling for help, are alive (Imams (as) and the Prophet (PBUH) and know very well that they can help only with the permission of Allah (SWT). If that is not the case, then they are mistaken and need to be educated. Just thinking a person or a sect is committing a shirk is not proof of reality. The problem I see is that we are not, perhaps due to our sins, closer to Allah (SWT) and we need to work in that direction; minimalistic we should perform all our wajib acts and refrain from sinning. The question is: Will anyone sell his/her akhara for 100 years living in this world? What about the concept of tauba (repentance)? People may sin knowingly or unknowingly and they should do Istagfar.
Can you please explain the wasiyat(will) in favour of imam Hasan by imam Ali where in he mentioned that there is no wall exist between Allah and his creature, that is men, and doesn't allow anybody to act as agent between them.(nehjul balaghah)
Ali Hur Kamoonouri ke channel Al Islaah per jaakar inka content dekh le'n. Inke aqayed musallamaate aqaed e Imamiya ke khilaaf aur shar aur fitna e fikr per based hain. Total wahabi approach ho gayi hai aur turfa tamaasha ye hai ki jo ye bayaan kar rahe hain ba naame islaah wahi asl shiyat hai aur jo aaj shiyat rayej hai wo ghaaliyon ki banayi huyi hai. Ye aadmi bilkul gumraah ho chuka hai, munkire Imamat e ilaahiya hai, munkire Imame Zamana (atfs) hai, munkire shahadate Sayyeda (sa) hai aur unke dushmano aur qatilon ko defend karta hai
Agha salam. May I humbly put before you following points:
Why always we draw a parallel between our approach to worldly people like president or king with our approach to Allah? Allah doesn't need any mediator to reach to Him for fulfilling duas. At several places He warns not to seek help from anyone other than Him. Doesn't this 'anyone' includes Ahlalbait?
Moreover Agha why should we enter into uncharted territory of possible shirk? Moreover Agha Islam is a way of leading a decent life. One can lead a good life what He wants is only through Oneness of Him by fearing Him only and by loving Him only. Else we will be busy doing several unwanted rituals just to appease personalities like Ahlalbait , Ghaus, Chishti etc. to seek their help in fulfilling our duas.
Another thing Agha instead of highlighting highest quality of examples presented by Ahlalbait in leading quality life we have ended up, unfortunately, in defending fatwa of kufr.
I am fully convinced that the concept of Waseela should be limited to seeking knowledge from Ahlalbait in understanding Allah and to feel the severity of love for Him as shown by Karbala and worship of Allah by Imam Zainulabideen A.S. No need to give super natural powers to anyone which belongs to Allah only. I am sorry if my comments cause any inconvenience. Regards
Allah has not reached you directly. He used the waseela of Holy Prophet s.a.w and the Holy Imams. Similarly you cannot reach him directly (be it in your journey or duaa) - you have to use the waseela of Ahlul bayt a.s
Prophet Adam a.s (our father) - was forgiven after using the waseela of Ahlul bayt a.s
Please be good sons and follow the tradition of your and my father!!!
Brother read original told by Imam Ali and other imams, see Nahjul Balagah Sermon 110, sure fatiha so many evidences for direct connection with Allah without any need of intercession.
This man is fooling you
@@trueman9641 this goes against the quran, what are you even blabbering.
Do you also pray to the imams because you cannot directly pray to Allah.
All of the prophets and imams are buried under ground. Are you still going to ask them for your needs.
Allah says in the quran amma yujibul midhara idha wayakshfusu
Or fa ini qaribu wujibu dawata dae idha da'aan
if you watched the other sessions you would get the answer. it is not obligatory to call awliya in dua. it is an option. if you want to get your dua to be answered quicker. you like many others have shallow understanding of the chain of causes. not calling other than allah in quranic terminology means calling them and considering them independent from allah like the way idol worshipers did. was it shirk wen jesus went and told people that i can heal your blind and i can revive your deads and people came and ask him to do so? was it shirk? or by the permission from allah? you have to learn what are the names of allah that allah taught Adam not the angels.
In all due respect maula, you are not really addressing his points and refuting them but using other narrations and hadith...please use Quran and authentic hadith to prove your points
He can't, his whole aqeedah is against the quran
@@kellsAC1 you do not understand that this first lecture is not answering his argument but it is an introduction to the debate. Watch the full series
سلمان اور ابوزر والی روایت کیا صحیح ہے باعتبار سند۔
Agha this argument does not make sense at all. Islam dint come to conform to the existing beliefs of people, otherwise prophet would be the first to hide the message of tawheed from the beduins and call out their shirk.
Similarly in this khutba, there is no fear on Amir ul momineen to hide the type of tawassul that your are talking about. The khutba is about the most afdhal tawassul, there is no reason for him to not mention the tawassul that you are promoting, other than the fact that such tawassul is not part of islam.
In the khutba imam ali also mentions zakat, but no mention of khums 😅 now you would say this was also too hard for people to digest?
It seems like unfortunately shias have taken only the secret cultish views which were promoted by the ghulat and then used taqayya card to explain why the quran or imams never endorsed these views openly.
Dear brother
I do not know if you listened to the whole episode or not. I guess you did not, since I explained that we have to put all hadiths and verses concerning one issue together and then to get to a conclusion on that. If you listen to episode 2 of our lectures you will see there are plenty of hadiths introducing imams specifically Imam Ali as wasilah. Thus, you cannot insist that because one hadith is silent so Imams are not wasialh. As it is well established in jurisprudence that a statement can be taken as absolute (Mutlaq) if there is no joint or separate indicator (Gharinah) against it. Otherwise, that absolute statement will be interpreted in accordance to that context and indicator. Hence, here when we have many hadiths to say imams are wasilah, then this hadith of nahjulbalagha will not reject imams being a wasilah but those hadiths will interpret this hadith as well. Therefore, there must be a reason why wilayah of imams is not mentioned in the referred khutbah of Imam Ali. In brief, a scholar cannot take a hadith that appeals to him and ignore may others but he has to put all together. And if you want to come to a conclusion you should listen to our whole episodes on the issue.
wassalam
@@mortezaaghamohammadi5397 thank you for the response Agha. I did watch the video and will listen to all other parts carefully. Inshallah hoping for more evidence to support the view.
@@meesammujtaba3190 pleasure my brother. insha allah i will upload the other episodes to complete the course on this issue. in fact, the first episode is just the preface and the arguments are raised from the episode 2
To do taqiyya from ghulat seems to be essential in your perspective as well.
If there r people ready to make someone a God, it is because that person holds some powers for example Jesus had the power to reincarnate. This is not shirk at all.
He also had the power to listen to people from their homes.
What's the problem if I ask him to bring someone to life now? When he had these powers when alive how come he doesn't have when he passed away?
If it was halal in his life, how come it is shirk later on?
Has God changed? If God is same than how come huqooq of God or tawheed changes based on people ?
What do we need tawasul for?...if it is to get to God quickly... I'll be faster than you in getting to God because you have to search for him but as for me HE is closer to me than my jugular vein...stop deceiving yourself you can be whatever you want without exaggeration but I'm sure even if you find it true you won't follow because of your POSITION OR POWER OR MONEY..its always a worldly things ... do tawasul to the one *who *knows you're going to do tawasul to someone else
salamum alaykum
since it is better to speak rather than typing here to answer you i will upload episode 12 insha allah. wait for it
and episode 11 is also about the reason we need to do tawassul according to the Quran.
@@mortezaaghamohammadi5397 yeah right... to you be your tawasul to me be my tawheed
@@8heavyhchamp8 tawheed ☝️💪💪
the answer to your misconception is there in the lectures. however, it is because you have confused physical closeness to spiritual one. in physical closeness if A is 1 meter away from B then B also is 1 meter form A but in the spritual one, A can be close to B but B being very far. like a teacher who likes his student so much and is close to him but the student hates the very teacher. Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein but are you that close? if yes then why your perform salat and say ghurbatan ila allah and seek closeness to him?????
you have wahhabi mentality my brother
the rest of your words is the mad propaganda. where is my interest in your tawasul to imams or the prophet?
Honestly this is so non sense cringe it is unreal. It is all about keeping your sect and your shrine business running. You can as the Prophet and Ahl Bayt did call on Allah alone, it is purest tawheed, not even a shadow of doubt it is correct. Simple. Easy. Certainty against error. But no, let’s defend using human beings who went to toilet and slept and were hungry, let’s use them and literally forget Allah. I lived all my life amongst Shia in Iran iraq and else where. Allah is unknown almost, buried in the imam worship.
I fully agree and understand you brother.
If you know farsi watch ustad allameh mostafa tabatabaie lectures.
The scholar is so learned in quran mashallah, he breaks their idols.
Or marhoom ayatullah borqei was also a god send in this issue.
you look like the wahhabis pretending to be shia and spending time in iran and iraq. if you can reject arguments
stop propaganda
@@mortezaaghamohammadi5397 I am a follower of Ahl Bayt and not the Safavid religion. Simple. Anyone who has been to Iran knows that people there have massively rejected Islam today as a consequence of the mullahs. The rest of the Islamic world focused on tawheed and no matter the excesses of government they remain Muslims. And I did not just spend time in Iraq and Iran but ima. Son of the hawza of Najaf
@@cmsacademy1673 then this is your ignorance that you think tawassul is safavid issue. if yo do not know bother yourself and learn. but still i doubt you being follower of ahlulbayt. may be you mean saudi household
@@mortezaaghamohammadi5397 tawasul as practiced by most twelver shias today is nothing but shirk and contrary to everything the Ahl Bayt stood for. Imam worship is their real religion. But those idols can’t help anyone as they themselves are in need of Allah
By calling for help does it imply that a person is associating partnership with Allah (SWT)? It is only Allah (SWT) who knows what is in our hearts and what are our deeds. I had assumed that Hindus were worshipping idols, but they don't, they try to reach God, through Idols, of course, is a wrong concept. Those who are calling for help, do not worship these entities, indeed they know Allah (SWT) is the Creator and a sustainer. Those who are calling for help, are alive (Imams (as) and the Prophet (PBUH) and know very well that they can help only with the permission of Allah (SWT). If that is not the case, then they are mistaken and need to be educated. Just thinking a person or a sect is committing a shirk is not proof of reality. The problem I see is that we are not, perhaps due to our sins, closer to Allah (SWT) and we need to work in that direction; minimalistic we should perform all our wajib acts and refrain from sinning. The question is: Will anyone sell his/her akhara for 100 years living in this world? What about the concept of tauba (repentance)? People may sin knowingly or unknowingly and they should do Istagfar.