Trump’s DESPERATE $454M Appeal
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Trump's legal team battled in New York’s appeals court over a staggering $454 million fraud judgment.
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COME ON MAN!!!!!! HE OWES NYC + E.J. CARROLL. HE CAN USE ALL HIS "GRIFTER MONEY" HE'S MADE WITH SNEAKERS COINS ETC. THIS IS AMERICA AND IT'S TIME THIS GRIFTER PAID THE PIPER, SO TO SPEAK.
Because this is America he will slid. I doubt he'll see any harsh consequences. Our system ought to be revamped.
And now, he's hawking $100,000 Trump watches.
will this scum-bag be held for his crimes? LETS HOPE SO. IF NOT OUR SYSTEM IS FUC**D UP....
All caps. Calm down.
He's got to serve Prison time!
Lying to the bank is called bank fraud.
While banks are expected to perform due diligence, and estimates are likely to be off by a little, the offenses were so egregious, as in inflation of square footage and the like by a factor of 2 or 3, and so numerous that intent of fraud was obvious.
As for victims, I'd like to meet one person who works for a bank, gave Trump a loan, and didn't lose his or her job as a result.
No it's not. Not paying back and causing damages would be.
He never lied to the bank, they don't rely on what you say, they have there own appraisers do the final assessment...have you ever sold a house...?? You need an appraiser to come out to let you know what it's worth...whats next government control over garage sales...??
you don't understand the definitions involved.
There was no fraud, only persecution of a man that can't be bought by the corporations.
@@Yldman2u well he actually did lie to the bank but the bank should have done better due diligence. The issue is that New York has laws against these false representations even if not relied upon.
So I guess this is an open invitation for ALL of us to feel free to lie to get our loans as long as we pay it back? Huh.
Right? To be sure though don’t do it unless we’re talking loans in the millions. Any lower and you won’t get a break.
Na. Only the rich and political can do this.
@Aarkwrite you can get a jail sentence though
@@cranstonharris6574 go big or go to jail
No, it's an open invitation for all of us to vote against his return to office so that the judgments can continue to mount.
The law was written for the poor with a escape route for the rich what a dam shame.
That’s What It Looks Like
I thought it was difficult to get an appeal yet Trump seems to consistently get bumped up. Is it warranted?
No it is not warranted!
BECAUSE TRUMP IS MESSIAH NOBODY CAN TOUCH HIM AND ABOVE THE LAW HIS MAGA MORONS FOLLOWERS WOULD GIVE THEIR LIFE'S FOR HIM AND ALL THEIR SAVINGS
for the most part you have a right to appeal, rules followed. BUT - the appeal is generally limited to process having been followed - it's not about re-arguing the case...
Appeals cost A LOT of money to pursue the whole process. Most people cannot afford to do this - unless they have a country full of suckers who will send in their checks to buy junk made in China that makes them feel "special"...
The bank did suffer losses in the form of lessened interest rates.
Is there a question that the Banks also lose out on their reputation for not checking facts but also potentially lose out on "Copycat" crimes thus weakening the whole finance world?
That is so correct. I never thought of that. Well stated!
But that's the banks problem. They agreed to it.
@@noraalvarado8178 they agreed to a fraud they werent privy to, in which case they wouldnt have if they knew he facts.
You cons need to grow at least a few neurons. Just a few. Even one.
They agreed to it under false pretenses
Rob a bank one day and bring the money back in a week, with interest. Still guilty of bank robbery.
The world owes Michael Cohen and his family a immeasurable debt of gratitude as it does you Harry and people like you for your passion, commitment to bringing the truth out ans education you give us. All thw best from Australia.
MC has a lot to live down. As his fixer, MC would take care of SA cases before they reached trial.
It's curious that his book doesn't mention Epstein once.
Will he ever be held accountable for anything?? Does the law not apply to him? The justice system is broken🤬
Sadly, it does NOT
But the karmic system isn't. Eventually, the Grim Reaper will harvest us all.
Most of us wonder about this, however, the legal process, for wealthy people, is almost endless but eventually all avenues of appeal will come to an end and the convicted felon will have to pay the price. That Trump has appealed and lost so many times over the years and keeps trying to appeal is an indication that the legal process is, at least, fair despite what Trump and his minions would try to get us to believe.
Barr and now Garland have placed him ABOVE the law.
Not according to Trump he continues to say its weaponizes
Vote Blue up and down the ballot to secure a place in prison for the rest of Donnie's existence.
Voting blue but there is no chance the legal system we currently have will do anything about crimes committed by trump and MAGA. The legal system is a branch of MAGA. Cops always protect corrupt cops, the churches always protect child predator preachers, etc. American needs to let go of the idea that it's still a democracy, that there is a "system of justice", and that the government will protect citizens against a fascist movement. These things have all been proven false many times over and you can't fix a problem that you won't admit exists.
He owes the money, he has the money! No more of his tears, If it were you and me all of this wouldn't be happening !!?😊
Exactly Been Locked Up And With Restitution Fees
He avoided tax....there are the victims.
Where is the I.R.S. They have put people in jail for a lot less than he owes !
VOTE RED for PRESIDENT TRUMP and SAVE AMERICA ❤❤❤❤
@@jeffhampton2767TRUMP WILL BE SENTENCED ON NOVEMBER 26TH.
TRUMP WILL BE SENTENCED ON NOVEMBER 26TH.
Oh give me an F’ ing break!!!!! Any one of us that lied to the bank would be in BIG trouble!!!!!! He did it OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER
I wish I could give you a break...me a break. That would start with getting rid of Garland!!
It is disgusting, and it seems like these justices are bending over backward to try to get him off the hook. Even if the banks were happy at the end it is still FRAUD.
No push back! Why wouldn't he? It's been almost a decade, 10 years.
How many demonstrations have you seen by Dem and Indy constituents?
Nada.
Thank gawd for BLM and women on Roe!!! 👍💪
as my grandfather would say.... "Jes&s H Friggin' Chr$st, what a whole load of BS!
Rich people are above the law in America.
🎶 You're .. Once, Twice, 34 Times a Felon 🎶 !!. and Justice will come for You. !!
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Love that Remix 😝🤣😂
😂😅 CTFU now that's a good one Lolo....I'll buy this track!
Let us know how that works out for you in Jan 25 when he moves into the White House. It’s coming!
@@Glock-pl5fl lolol you mean the Big house and it will before Jan 25 but it's good to be optimistic
*_VERIFY YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION._* Don't get surprised 🤢
Even in Oregon.
If these judges don't think business fraud that rewards the criminal corporation and drives the honest ones out of business is bad, New York shouldn't expect to have a reliable business climate.
US Justice system - LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.
except for a few very rich people, it is their "mechanism" for doing "business"
It's We the People NOT We the DOJ or We the Congress 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
At leat in the uk you can not apeall till after your are in prison in the uk trump money would have been stript and all his prooertes under the gaing money under the proceds of crime
@@dawnoceanside7300 We the people don't matter.
Then relocate to say Russia???
Thanks Harry ✌️🇺🇲💙
Unbelievable !!! How many chances does this guy get ?
s many as any other citizen in the USA, comrade
Your breaks as a criminal are unlimited if you’re white, rich, or well connected.
This is politically motivated. After the election President Trump will have this dismissed. And the Supreme Court will end it! Imprison the Biden crime family. MAGA Rules!
@@mja91352 Not from my experience !
We will let you know in Jan when he moves back into the White House. 😉
How depressing. Once again, I wonder how I can tell the kids in my family that crime doesn't pay, when it obviously does for some folks.
The no sugar coating lesson is now crime doesn’t pay kids, unless it’s a financial crime in the millions then you can convince the courts to give you a break.
Most of us wonder about this, however, the legal process, for wealthy people, is almost endless but eventually all avenues of appeal will come to an end and the convicted felon will have to pay the price. That Trump has appealed and lost so many times over the years and keeps trying to appeal is an indication that the legal process is, at least, fair despite what Trump and his minions would try to get us to believe.
This just demonstrates how unfair the legal system is. How many appeals and the quickness he gets from the court system? How many other people have they used this same law against others, and yet the system never worried about them. The only reason they are troubled is because it is a rich white man.
Weisselberg, a rich white man, got prison time.
Cohen, a rich white man, got prison time.
Others are doing time for crimes they committed for Trump. Some people are better at working the system than others. Notice that Giuliani is on the hook with Dominion but Trump isn't.
So the argument of the appellate court is that crime should get cheaper the more of it you do. Got it.
He always gets a break because he's rich!!
The courts feel sorry for Trump. "He's such a sweet, sweet man!!! So pure! So repentant! So apologetic!... and so polite in court!! The people he ripped off are just lowly commoners... taxpayers; but he's royalty!! We must bend over backward for him... & when we finally straighten up, kiss his feet."
Just listen to the oral arguments yourself. It's enlightening. Don't trust other people to explain it to you.
During the trial, the bank showed a chart indicating Trump wouldn't have received different interest rates depending on the assessment. I.e. he didn't receive any advantage for his assessments.
You know what?....If Trump is really a Billionaire like he claims, then the $454 Million Judgement should be a drop in the bucket for him! Bill him for the FULL AMOUNT! Trump needs to pay!!!!
How is $ 454 million a drop in the bucket even IF he’s a billionaire ? Unless he has like $ 20 billion $ 454 is much more than a drop in the bucket .
@@michaelblankenau6598
He claims his Tooth Sential ownership made him worth $61 BILLION. Paying a miniscule percentage of what he has gained through his fraudulent business practices is just that, a drop in the bucket.
It doesn't matter how much he's worth. It doesn't matter when anyone else breaks the law. Other people have to pay for the rest of their lives, before, during, and AFTER their prison sentence.
The ex LIAR-IN-CHIEF is no different.
@@randibgood He didn’t claim $ 61 billion anywhere . Quit spreading misinformation.
@@michaelblankenau6598
He most certainly DID.
@@randibgood No . He most certainly did not . Get your facts straight.
No way to calculate damage done to djt competitors. Letting him off the hook would encourage others to commit fraud.
No way to do it perfectly, but it could be modelled or simply estimated. Ideally overestimated, as a deterrent to others, given his lack of contrition
No way to calculate the damage done to the country!
If there is no harm, then where did the additional 450 million dollars he made come from? Is harm required by law? Also / the number is so high because the fraud is massive!
I'm not a huge fan of banks or insurance companies, but they definitely lost money. Uncle Sam lost money in the tax system too. What about the people who lost out on bank loans because DJT scooped up all the available loan capacity?
No penalty for cheating on his taxes?
Seems the IRS is protecting him. not just the courts.
Hence, “let’s defund the IRS’”.
anyone else will be paid a big find our jail time
Not Yet!!! Watch this space.
@@89144rocket The REDS already did that so the IRS can not pursue complex cases; meaning it only goes after the "little people."
If no one was harmed he should face no penalty, then speeding,, bank fraud, plotting a crime but not acting on it, etc should all be excused if no one was harmed. Peculiar logic.
THATS LIKE! YOU ROB A BANK! YOU USE THE BANK MONEY TO GET RICH! THEN YEARS LATER YOU GET COUGHT! AND YOU PAY THE BANKS BACK! THEN YOU ASK, WHATS THE BIG DEAL? I PAYED THE BANK! NOBODY GOT HURT!! DOSE THAT SOUND RIGHT?
Thank you! Republican, Christian, and proud Texan voting ALL BLUE because moral character, conduct & honor matter. Country over party. ✝️🇺🇸🧢🧢🧢
We will not bear good fruit in our country with an adjudicated business fraud and convicted felon who lacks moral character.
Country over party. ✝️🇺🇸🧢🧢🧢
TEXAS IS MAGA AND VOTING RED ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
It is exhausting to continue to watch Trump make a mockery of the judicial system. No one else would be given so much grace.
Judges don't want to be blamed for disenfranchising 70M voters.
They also don't want to trigger a windfall of campaign donations.
He knows that if he can get these cases to the Supreme Court, his Justice friends will set these judgments aside. Something nobody else in the US would be able to do.
Fortunately, it isn't a Federal case. One case or another, justice matters, and will be served.
State cases not appealable to SCOTUS
Drug dealers use the same logic. Somebody sold the cocaine, somebody bought the cocaine, both parties were happy, nobody was hurt. Whats the problem?
😅😅😅 YOU GOTTA PAY DONNY 😅😅😅 NO IMMUNITY HERE 😅 LOCK HIM UP @SENTENCING AFTER MADAME PRESIDENT & VP TIM WALZ WIN THE ELECTION.
How many times are they going to appeal? Time to fine them for continued waste of court time.
They don't want to trigger a windfall of campaign donations, which would make prosecution and sentencing in other cases significantly harder. If he loses on Nov. 5, no court need worry of the stigma of being the first to put him away. The kid gloves will come off. But if we voters want to see it, we have to earn it.
Nov. 5
Nov. 26
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS AN AMERICAN HERO ❤❤❤
One could say the same about the latest assassination attempt: the guy didn’t even shoot, and no harm done. No need to convict him of anything except the misdemeanour stuff.
Too bad he wrote that letter establishing intent, or he could've claimed he was just hunting geese.
Detrumpification Now!💯⚖️🇺🇸🌊✅🎯
Through the fraud, he gained money. Where would that money have been if he hadn’t done the fraud? Someone else would have it. He’s got someone else’s money through fraud.
You’re very good communicating,thank you
Victims are the other people who could have gotten those loans that went instead to the Poser-in-Chief. It's called Opportunity Cost in Econ 101.
Wasn't the state asking for like 250K???
Love Harry. Thanks for explaining. ❤
Could everyone just stop saying the name? So sick of this grifter family, I'm tempted to volunteer to stay on the Space X satellite. Lucky astronauts!
NASA ISS, I think you mean.
Space X has thousands of satellites. None of them support astronauts. The "lucky" astronauts who are in space, Barry 'Butch' Wilmore and Sunita Williams, are currently stranded there because of a problem with the Boeing Starliner spacecraft.
I trust Elon as much as I trust trump. Both have been given government handouts. Both are crooks!
He has many nicknames. Do you have a preference? 😏
Boeing has a deal for you.
I think the underlying legal question/concern is about the reasonable welfare of the interests of the citizens of New York, specific to financial harm experienced.
Not about whether the amount Justice Engoron judged against 🤡was "too much'.
'Pushing the boundaries' are not a public/private sport of representative 'success'; when the convicted felon gets away with it. When they do the crime(s), they do the time; is correct.
My Answer: DO NOT LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!!!! HE DISCRIMINATES AND THAT ALONE ISN"T ENOUGH MONEY FOR MS JAMES!!! THAT AMOUNT IS TOO LOW!!! I would not have tolerated that!! Neither should she!!!!
PRESIDENT TRUMP WINNING 😂😂😂
@@jeffhampton2767 No not this time. He is a FELON. Maybe you are too?
@@jeffhampton2767 You are in for a big disappointment!!! Keep believing that. I am voting for Kamala Harris/Tim Walz 2024 and 8 more years. Trump is going to prison.
watched it live. been hoping you would talk about it today. Thanks!
Thx Harry 🌿
Does not seem so desperate, seems he might have at least two judges on the panel on his side....
Stop 🛑 being COWARDS Gringolandia and JAIL dt NOW! Make him the fines/judgement!!!!
This isn't exactly his first brush with fraud.
A more appropriate question might be, What will it take to get him to stop?
Considering all the frustration that prosecutors and victims have had with obtaining restitution over the past half century, the opportunity to win justice should not be treated lightly. If the trebling isn't meant for an unrepentant recidivist like Trump, who _is_ it meant for?
............just lock him up, already!!!
I thought he was suppose to pay that months ago or get his assets seized...?
Trump posted bond.
Letitia James is powerless against PRESIDENT TRUMP 😂😂😂😂
Harry you’re great. Thank you for your wise words and knowledge. 💙👍👍. Vote Blue.
Must be broke, because the cheesy grift merch gets more outrageous by the day.
The law represents societies interest in not having private parties playing, what amounts to, "insider ball." Banks, get to borrow money from the Fed at eye-watering low rates, not to mention the concept of fractional reserves. By taking part in that larger system, the banks aren't just loaning out their own money. But the "systems" money. That means, the harms and impact extend beyond the four walls of the bank. Just because these two parties got to take the rest of us for a ride by not performing their due diligence and obligations to be truthful, doesn't mean we should have to simply stand by and say, well one of the corrupt parties didn't complain about this, so no harm here! Businesses have been allowed to run the common man into the ground while looking the other way when their buddies pull this crap. If the bank isn't acting responsibly, maybe they should have their ability to borrow revoked. Or lend out up to 12 times more than they have on the books (this is how fractional reserve works).
so trump said he'd take the US to Mars. I'm 100% in favor of this, as long as he's the test monkey.
Thanks, Harry. That was a very helpful explanation of "the story so far".
One of the justices interrupted the State's attorney before she even finished her first sentence, so from that moment you knew the judgment wouldn't stand.
Poor Judith knew her goose was cooked from the get go, when the justice said none of her cited cases matched Trump's case. Although, the chief justice in the middle did not appear to care.
Doesn't the judgement also need to be a deterrent? Maybe that justifies the high penalty. Anyone think he's learned his lesson?
👍🏼Ha ha
Maybe Collins
Harry's calling a massive reduction in the fine (-60% ballpark). Ben warned of a likely reduction some time ago. So manage expectations on this one, but remember, he faces MANY other charges, and is still committing fresh crimes thanks to unenforced bail conditions
Isn't there a finite amount of $$$,$$$ . . . that lenders have to lend, and wouldn't giving DJT the loans mean they did not have $$$ for other people? Doesn't that count for something?
Thank you Harry✨🇺🇸✨💙✨
Trump has been successful in avoiding justice. But really has only delayed it. Buckle up.
The reason the fine is SO big is because Trump's crime was SO big!
If you watch the hearing like I did, you will hear the word "disgorgement" used a lot. The court ridiculed how the state erroneously determined Trump's fine.
Not very desperate as some justices hearing the appeal stated that Trump’s no victim argument was persuasive. The DA’s position that the people of NY are the victims is not getting much traction. Harry said the penalty fine was commonly reduced on appeal (prob to the $175 million he posted) but Trump is also winning by having judges embrace his worldview that rules/laws can be broken if the banks are fine with it. This is not the “Rule of Law” but a wink to insiders that all’s fair if you have favorable judges.
Banks facility to lend money is not infinite. So if Trump would have received lower loans or had to pay higher interest in both cases funds would be available to other businesses who could have developed faster and now be paying taxes, so other people lost indirectly.
If you take a bad bet, and manage to win, it's still a bad bet.
The same applies to a loan. Without proper collateral, a bank would charge higher interest to hedge against a default. Even if there was no default, they should have collected more revenue to compensate for the increased chance of not being able to collect payment.
What about all the other loan applicants who don't get reduced interest rates on their loans? The financial manipulation of the public at large should be enough to justify the huge penalty against The Donvict.
The banks _were_ harmed. Banks are paid for taking risks. More risk, more earnings. Because of the lying about valuations, the banks underestimated the risks and undercharged on the loans. Even if they were paid back, they were cheated out of what they out to have earned, or so it seems to me. I look forward to the banks bringing a separate suit for losses once the ink dries on this one.
The judges clearly are skeptical that 63(12) is about disgorgement and even if the law applies between two private sophisticated actors. It doesn't. This case will be tossed.
Trump going get big trouble
I’m a little confused here...guy basically makes a profit by defrauding banks and the IRS and the courts say sure, no problem since the banks didn’t mind you ripping them off. The disgorgement should equal the amount of money made with reduced loan rates plus a penalty. Do the court genuinely want to signal other criminals to defraud in this manner?? We’re learning a lot from Trump, though...and what it’s like to be rich in this country. Meanwhile, what about the IRS?
SOP
Businesses weigh the fines against the profit gained.
Trump was fined $500k for money laundering back in the '90s. Did he make less than $500k from the money laundering?
If you get fined one time out of five, and the penalty is no more than the profit made, it's tacit permission to break the law.
It's like doping in sports: tacit permission to dope up to the level stated as a trigger in the rule book.
The appeals court judges seem poised to throw out the judgement with the same argument trump made, that this was not a crime because no one was hurt.
The bank testified that Trump did not receive a better rate than he would have with a lower valuation. What you don’t seem to grasp is that after a certain benchmark, you will not get a better rate. There is no difference if you have 100 million in assets or 300 million, the bank views your ability to pay back the loan and bases any rate reduction on that in addition to a track record of previous loan transactions.
Holly crap : Tish just lost her case big time in appeal:IMO
thx Harry
Harry you're delusional. PRESIDENT TRUMP will pay nothing. WINNING 😊
So, sounds like Trump will get away with it again. Elected judges playing partisan politics once again. My without prejudice opinion.
Hey Harry 👋 Not asking this to be a smart ass, I’m genuinely curious why monetary judgments are even made if the appellate courts just knock them back or eliminate them entirely on a regular basis. 🤷♀️ Doesn’t make sense & seems like a waste of time to come up with a figure for juries to decide on in the first place.
There’s totally nothing suspicious about trying to bankrupt the Republican nominee 😂
Come back and comment later if this gets the United States Supreme Court and watch this case be thrown out. And all your liberals commenting on this video get your Kleenex out when it finally reaches the Supreme Court and it's tossed out completely. Even the massive amount of $485 million is a violation of the eighth amendment.
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I hope to live to see his Presidential Library. Too bad they took down his Atlantic City Casino. Maybe he’ll acquire a defunct Six Flags.
Always he weasels out. If you don't have justice, you can't have peace. So crazy that judges are spineless, but if you're poor, they can be severe.
All 3 judges are trump appointed. He's going to get 9ff very lightly 8f not completely
But of course we "enjoyed this video!" (Why else would we WATCH 'em, otherwise?) Thank you Harry! And please keep 'em coming....
The appeals court went to town on the NYC appellate lawyer. Listen to it. I am not sure he will pay anything now.
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What a weasel. Laws apply to everybody in the country EXCEPT Donald Trump. I’m sick of it. Everybody is sick of it. He claims to be a billionaire all the time let him pay it.
Harry buy yourself a good quality microphone, you sound as if you're talking out of a can
Nothing will happen NOTHING AT ALL IT'S ALL B S NO GUTS
Teflon Don is laughing at everyone. 😂
And with that analogy, the government will have a garage sale board to make sure you dont overprice your old toilet seat cover...lol...
The judges were agreeing with trump. The judgement will at best be lowered to 175 or more likely dismissed entirely.
Another trump win
Is Trump ever going to be held accountable? What did Trump promise the members sitting on the appelate court?
You bullshit with your headlines. As much as Trump does.
Dear Harry,
Why no criminal tax evasion charges in state of NY?
Thx! 😀
IF HE IS ABOVE OUR LAWS.......WE ARE ALL ABOVE THE LAW!!!!!
HOW DO THE COURTS WANT TO PLAY? FAIR OR UNFAIR???
He committed bank fraud through liying coning
The one judge kept interrupting the solicitor. It was disgusting that they were arguing to defend him. Doesn’t matter who was the victim he cheated Deutch bank the mafia front.
Why is a billionaire concerned with what should be a paltry amount, unless of course he's been lying again. I mean the RNC is paying his legal costs.