World Rugby's handling of the Tom Curry/Bongi Mbonambi situation.

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  • 🗣 "Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done."
    🗣 "The least you should do is hear out the complainant."
    🗣 "There's no transparency."
    Matt Williams, Shane Horgan and Rob Kearney on World Rugby's handling of the Tom Curry/Bongi Mbonambi situation.
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  • @jessicakruger7
    @jessicakruger7 11 місяців тому +91

    Push WR to open the enquiry again, we, as South Africans insist! Let Mr Curry have his say as well as Bongi. Review the footage, thatbis a must because you can clearly hear Bongi. BUT, if Mr Curry is wrong, South Africa, as a nation, want a formal and televised apology from Mr Curry, nothing less.

    • @marksmith4518
      @marksmith4518 11 місяців тому +7

      and what if he's right? You can't just take the moral high ground on assumption. Will Bongi apologise?

    • @IamKnowbodie
      @IamKnowbodie 11 місяців тому +12

      ​@@marksmith4518I a South African 🇿🇦, I will take the responsibility on my shoulders to make sure every South African, especially Bongi apologize to the world if indeed Bongi is found guilty of racism.

    • @jessicakruger7
      @jessicakruger7 11 місяців тому +9

      @@marksmith4518 what @IamKnowbodie said, thats how confident we are. BTW, South Africans never use the "c" word. The word used was kant, which makes sense when you look at the game play. So, bring it on.

    • @marksmith4518
      @marksmith4518 11 місяців тому +5

      @@jessicakruger7 i reckon you could be right, but you also could be wrong. If you are right, then its a misunderstanding, not the worst thing that ever happened to the nation of SA. The way SA fans have been bullying Tom Curry is what is really abhorrent in all this. Death threats to family etc. Its a disgrace

    • @karavanderberg9573
      @karavanderberg9573 11 місяців тому +19

      ​@@marksmith4518 SA players received death threats as well during this RWC. I think what's abhorrent is that the English, who do not have a great track record in Africa, especially regarding racism, are taking such offence to an issue which clearly wasn't even an issue to begin with.

  • @GusHugo-e4j
    @GusHugo-e4j 11 місяців тому +195

    Good heavens. He spoke Afrikaans. We hardly ever use the c word here. But "kant" means side. The player heard "wit kant ". It means "white side". What a storm in a teacup

    • @gaynorrusford6353
      @gaynorrusford6353 11 місяців тому

      They choose to ignore the explanations that were given ad nauseam. They prefer to push the racist narrative which really says more about them than what happened on the field, English rugby and their colonial cronies are disgraceful.

    • @lukeshearer9063
      @lukeshearer9063 11 місяців тому

      Bullshit.

    • @nepiahemopo1702
      @nepiahemopo1702 11 місяців тому

      But what Curry heard was something along the lines of " white cunt". Are we all expected to carry a lexicon around?😢

    • @cindybuzatu2850
      @cindybuzatu2850 11 місяців тому +33

      True....we prefer doos or the p word if I'm really angry

    • @djharto4917
      @djharto4917 11 місяців тому +8

      He looks Afrikaans ok 😂

  • @ElijahMan2633
    @ElijahMan2633 11 місяців тому +65

    Someone whisper into Matt’s ear that the Boks have gone for a 7-1 split. That’ll get the old fart pissed off..😂

  • @barbararobertson3720
    @barbararobertson3720 11 місяців тому +63

    There are languages other than English. It’s very unfortunate that the players were subjected to such abuse

  • @Zion66666
    @Zion66666 11 місяців тому +67

    EVEN if Tom curry was “ listened to” there is still NO other evidence corroborating his account. WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE?

    • @guyplessier7935
      @guyplessier7935 11 місяців тому

      Just like rape trials where 99% found not guilty. Why should police waste their time and resources listening to complaints 🤔

    • @Sabundy
      @Sabundy 11 місяців тому

      None ....but it's pointless explaining that to the anti-south Africans on here. They don't care about facts nor reality. Only what suits them.

    • @BarryHawk
      @BarryHawk 11 місяців тому +7

      Whinging Poms

    • @guyplessier7935
      @guyplessier7935 11 місяців тому +4

      @@BarryHawk typical uneducated Ozzie it is spelt WINNING POMS 😂

    • @obadiaoracle5573
      @obadiaoracle5573 11 місяців тому +4

      Whining poms...

  • @michaelbowes9894
    @michaelbowes9894 11 місяців тому +17

    Couple of things,
    1 Mbonambi is a monumentally calm guy - he just doesn't get 'wound up'
    2 He is deeply religious, and unlikely to have used such language
    3 He is a Afrikaans speaker, from the Free State
    4 In Afrikaans, the word for 'side' is "Kant" and in rugby it comes up quite often "Om Kant" Offside "Linker Kant" Left Side and "Wit Kant" White side ( the Engelse kant wear Wit jerseys)
    5 That word is not much used as an insult in South Africa. The preferred terms are "Poes" or "Doos"
    6 Curry had no business to be talking to the ref - only the captain may talk to the ref (many do, but it's not right). The issue could have been dealt with after the game.
    7 He's a Ruby Player and he's offended by foul language? I don't think so! (It's the Rugby World Championship, not the Rugby Woke Championship.)
    8 I believe he was trying to get Mbonambi sent off.
    9 This 'deep and profound disappointment' felt by England is nothing more than sour grapes - they can't lose with dignity. (These are the same guys that refused their medals after losing in Tokyo. England are learning too much from English football.
    Storm in a teacup.

    • @eleycki
      @eleycki 10 місяців тому +1

      7. Is racism ok? Just checking that’s what you think; to be clear.

    • @michaelbowes9894
      @michaelbowes9894 10 місяців тому +2

      @@eleycki No, racism is not OK, read my para 3 -shall I explain it? its a diffent language

    • @eleycki
      @eleycki 10 місяців тому +1

      @@michaelbowes9894 but by foul language you really mean anything goes. I think the SA phrase White Kant was said one purpose, for exactly this effect as they know how it sounds.

    • @Jay.D.Smithy
      @Jay.D.Smithy 10 місяців тому +2

      @@eleycki Oh my goodness, you arent that difficult to beat, no need for high lv manipulation of mind tricks. England really think they are the main character here, mate you are the "surprised you survived the entire movie side act" no one cares enough and teams barely prepped for you because no one thought you would make it out of your really weak group. Great job on wearing your bronze medals this time, funny the difference 4 years make.

    • @eleycki
      @eleycki 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Jay.D.Smithy what are you on about??!? we are just talking about racism in our sport. It has nothing to do with SA winning well.

  • @matsvineyard7564
    @matsvineyard7564 11 місяців тому +37

    The video evidence and Audio clearly show Bongi directing his team mates and not addressing Curry. The Audio evidence also leans towards him saying Wit Kant. White side. Tom Curry should face a disciplinary panel for lying and making false accusations. He knew exactly what he was doing. Trying to sow discord with the ref.

  • @mohauntaopane4264
    @mohauntaopane4264 11 місяців тому +42

    Wait, what is justice in this case? Bongi not playing the final while the process unfolds? This is ridiculous.

    • @Sabundy
      @Sabundy 11 місяців тому +15

      Their idea of "justice" would be having the Springboks outright banned from world rugby.

    • @laspalms8620
      @laspalms8620 11 місяців тому +6

      England for you

  • @lsgmok
    @lsgmok 11 місяців тому +165

    These gentlemen have been in a sour mood ever since Ireland was knocked out of the world cup.

    • @jimmycricket5366
      @jimmycricket5366 11 місяців тому +9

      ​@@teddydavid1026Let's face the facts here and address what is perhaps the 'elephant in the room' here. If Tom Curry had been alleged to say something to Bongi Mbonambi, sentence would have long since been passed and executed against Curry. That's just a fact! Any takers to deny it?

    • @askingalex2319
      @askingalex2319 11 місяців тому

      ​@@jimmycricket5366england created racism

    • @ThatGuy-sw2xe
      @ThatGuy-sw2xe 11 місяців тому

      @@teddydavid1026eternal quarter finalists should be quiet. Maybe go give old Matt a cuddle so the old asshat can cheer up.

    • @dutch2168
      @dutch2168 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@teddydavid1026you sound like an expat. lmao

    • @BigPiel
      @BigPiel 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@jimmycricket5366bongi didnt say anything racist tho😂

  • @obadiaoracle5573
    @obadiaoracle5573 11 місяців тому +44

    It's not the first time Tom Curry tried stirring. He's a real trouble maker.... When digging a bit deeper in Curry's history, you will find similar incidents. The opposite with Bongi.
    What is in your heart will spill over from your mouth - it's your character....

    • @Newcastle423
      @Newcastle423 11 місяців тому +4

      Ok what incidents

    • @rob.1
      @rob.1 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah mate, loads of incidents...

    • @RupertKing-d6b
      @RupertKing-d6b 11 місяців тому

      Yh what previous comments you melon

  • @sanchido36
    @sanchido36 11 місяців тому +5

    If these 4 understand that people in SA don't use the "c" word as an insult as we have the "p" word, I am sure you will find some audio of Wille Le Roux using it :) and that "Wit kant" in Afrikaans means "white side" clearly with the English gear being all white he was referring to the English side. There are more languages out in the world other than English and not every nation uses your curse words.

  • @HusseinDoha
    @HusseinDoha 11 місяців тому +32

    Holy Cow!! 🤯 And what will an “independent panel” have done? Tom saying he heared this, and a denial from Bongi, then what? Ban Bongi from a final because of what???

    • @nathanoneill2362
      @nathanoneill2362 11 місяців тому +1

      Because of racism..

    • @aniedav7075
      @aniedav7075 11 місяців тому +7

      @@nathanoneill2362 really? Racism because the english lost to Africa? Voetjek!

    • @johnlouw6449
      @johnlouw6449 11 місяців тому +2

      @@nathanoneill2362 You are confusing opinion with knowledge.

    • @nathanoneill2362
      @nathanoneill2362 11 місяців тому

      @@aniedav7075 this was brought up before the game was finished and I can't remember but we're england winning at that point aswell ?

    • @matthewboschin6313
      @matthewboschin6313 11 місяців тому

      @@nathanoneill2362 shhhhh bud, you dont know what you are talking about and its quite embarrassing.

  • @chrisnel5505
    @chrisnel5505 11 місяців тому +40

    World Rugby sparing Curry embarrassment .

    • @heinrichbosch630
      @heinrichbosch630 11 місяців тому +8

      England and Europe has become a snowflake SJW sespool of victimhood, even amongst rugby.
      That is part of the reason why there is no Northern Hemisphere team in the final, too fragile.
      As a Christian I completely condemn if it was said, but get over it, and move on. You’re supposed to be big mature boys…
      You told everyone what he ‘allegedly’ said, it was a ‘he said/he said’ case and that the end of it.
      Sour grapes after losing the game.

    • @SafferBrew
      @SafferBrew 11 місяців тому +3

      It was not said, 100% guaranteed. There is evidence of them saying 'white side' in Afrikaans multiple times in the game. Wit Kant. This in answer to the question on whose ball it is. Get over it, these pundits need to leave their echo chamber occasionally.

    • @obersoth09
      @obersoth09 11 місяців тому

      @@heinrichbosch630 Just a salty Heinrich spilling sewage from his mouth, hurting that he's been dominated by Europeans for most of modern history. Bro you don't have to hurt anymore, stop saying everyone's a snowflake and connect with your feelings of repressed anger and frustration. Good luck on your path

    • @markjarvis7087
      @markjarvis7087 11 місяців тому

      ⁠@@SafferBrewwhat a crock of shit! Fair enough there’s not enough evidence to prove Curry’s accusation, we’re all grown ups, get on and enjoy the sport, let’s all move on.
      But it’s probably best not to try and peddle this Africans bullshit about Wit Kant in an effort to sweep it under the carpet or worse still justify it. Nobody buys it.

  • @mornejoubert8416
    @mornejoubert8416 11 місяців тому +43

    For those questioning why he would speak in Afrikaans, ask yourself the question:
    If you were able to, would you communicate in a different language if English is the first language of the opposing team considering this gives a tactical advantage?
    Afrikaans is widely spoken in South Africa by people of all ethnicities and not just limited to the very few White persons.

    • @angelawatson1594
      @angelawatson1594 11 місяців тому +7

      They deliberately speak afrikaans on the field so their opposition doesn't understand their calls. I watched the video. He wasn't even speaking to Curry when he shouted the afrikaans words for white side

    • @mornejoubert8416
      @mornejoubert8416 11 місяців тому +1

      @spiderman-jv8we Not sure I understand your comment... This was in no way meant to be derogatory. Yes 5 million is a big number but in terms of demographics in South Africa, you could argue that 7.9% is a small minority.

    • @diogeneslantern18
      @diogeneslantern18 10 місяців тому

      @@angelawatson1594 duh

  • @Aint_Got_The_Answers_Sway
    @Aint_Got_The_Answers_Sway 11 місяців тому +12

    Matts at it again😂

    • @Vlerkies
      @Vlerkies 11 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, sorry for Matt it's bigger than his ego, this is Brit media eating lemons, 3 meals a day

    • @Sabundy
      @Sabundy 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Vlerkies washed down with crates of lemonade.

  • @johnlouw6449
    @johnlouw6449 11 місяців тому +6

    If man makes himself a worm he must not complain when he is trodden on." Immanuel Kant"😅

  • @njabulophakade
    @njabulophakade 11 місяців тому +17

    Bongi Mbonambi said, "Wit kant", telling his team mates that the ball is on the white side in Afrikaans and Tom Curry misinterpreted the whole thing. Even though this is out in the public domain the English continue to demonstrate pure ignorance and desperately trying to make a big issue out of something so insignificant.
    The English should wrap their heards around the fact that english is not the only language that's spoken in other countries like in theirs.

    • @eddiea7111
      @eddiea7111 11 місяців тому

      And you actually know he said that? You like me don’t know what was actually said-now no one will!

    • @BigPiel
      @BigPiel 10 місяців тому

      ​@@eddiea7111i have never heard a south african in my life say cunt

    • @Alias-gy3tz
      @Alias-gy3tz 10 місяців тому +1

      En nou is Bongi weer aan die wen kant! Congrats champion! You made us proud.

  • @vincevanderwalt2916
    @vincevanderwalt2916 11 місяців тому +9

    If there is no proof then there is nothing you can do! Could set a precedent where any player can just make an allegation against another player

    • @aniedav7075
      @aniedav7075 11 місяців тому +1

      exactly. This is the part that pisses me off the most.

    • @nayaj4285
      @nayaj4285 11 місяців тому

      Exactly like what these people make me angry

  • @TheHardCorePunkHead
    @TheHardCorePunkHead 11 місяців тому +22

    Ag fok, die wit kant het verloor. Kla!

  • @jessicakruger7
    @jessicakruger7 11 місяців тому +4

    Funny how this lot have a lot to say but I didnt hear an outcry when our players family received death threats. Oh no, that wasnt important enough to have an outcry over.

    • @kaalvoet
      @kaalvoet 11 місяців тому +2

      Not even a word was said

  • @collinbotha4075
    @collinbotha4075 11 місяців тому +3

    Its clear to see that Matt really hates South Africa

  • @bvovz
    @bvovz 11 місяців тому +6

    Being monolingual sucks even if your tongue is the lingua franca....

  • @luvukonombembe6197
    @luvukonombembe6197 11 місяців тому +20

    I can’t help but think how quickly apartheid would have ended had these global northerners pretended to show a 1/10 of concern about racism towards black South African that they are are showing towards Curry.

    • @bodhid
      @bodhid 11 місяців тому

      apartheid ended because 'northerners' took up the cause and implemented trade embargoes on the SA economy which eventually crippled the government and forced them to enter into dialogue with the resistance. You should be grateful the rest of the world took up the cause. The arrogance of Saffas is astounding!

    • @ello3835
      @ello3835 11 місяців тому +1

      Huh?

    • @johnjames6620
      @johnjames6620 11 місяців тому +1

      The NH effectively created the forerunner to apartheid which was separate development. Furthermore, apartheid was introduced from 1948 and South Africa only became a republic in 1961, so the Monarch of England was the Head of State of South Africa during first 13 years of apartheid.

    • @neilcarpenter2669
      @neilcarpenter2669 11 місяців тому +2

      What a ridiculous statement.

    • @ello3835
      @ello3835 11 місяців тому

      Apartheid? This is rugby, not some political game.

  • @davidmarx1784
    @davidmarx1784 11 місяців тому +7

    Matt=Poes

  • @heinrichnewat4736
    @heinrichnewat4736 10 місяців тому +3

    Matt Williams is Scotland Rugby's version of Julius Malema (Politician) in South Africa. 😅

  • @TaydoS
    @TaydoS 11 місяців тому +10

    I hope and pray Bongi sues Curry, the RFU and Borthwick for defamation without presenting an ounce of evidence. WR knew this would blow up in their faces hence they dropped the investigation. I'm sure Curry would've submitted evidence if there was.

  • @k11vin
    @k11vin 11 місяців тому +2

    I can't believe such a big deal was made out of this issue, wtf, we all got problems, some more than others.

  • @nelismuller1395
    @nelismuller1395 11 місяців тому +1

    Justice for Curry, what about justice for Bongi, being accused where there is no evidence in both instances. Seems to me England clearly wanted to get in the refs head.

  • @justin3260
    @justin3260 11 місяців тому +1

    Did any of the 4 people on this panel bother to read the World Rugby regulations regarding disciplinary matters?
    The process is explained clearly and transparently. Putting Curry before an independent panel is not provided for and demanding this now happen reeks of white privilege

  • @Vlerkies
    @Vlerkies 11 місяців тому +5

    Too funny. I'm firmly on Bongi's kant 👍 This is either a total misunderstanding and reeks of BS, or fails on understanding of where the SA players have come from in the last 30 or so years.
    Odd the Brits seem to be the only ones pushing this narrative hey, cover yourselves in more shame.
    Edit: all this talk about the complainant, none about hearing from the voice of the accused? Matt, your pals, shame on you.

  • @jessejames6965
    @jessejames6965 11 місяців тому +1

    That guy in the middle with the white hair really does not like South Africa....

  • @petes9524
    @petes9524 5 місяців тому

    "Not enough evidence"?
    An allegation with no corroboration would have been the unbiased, fair, conclusion.
    The authorities botched this badly assuming that faffing around with the decision until the eve of the final wasn't a ploy, its a disgrace that they treated the Springboks with such disrespect.

  • @OOFNeRF
    @OOFNeRF 11 місяців тому +1

    Matt is the kind of guy that likes to put his hand up to say something... not meaningful or insightful... just, you know, anything really...

  • @typhoontim125
    @typhoontim125 11 місяців тому +1

    If there is racism in this story it didnt come from Bongi...it came from Curry. Expect to see him in an English Lives Matter tshirt soon!

  • @bwana4711
    @bwana4711 11 місяців тому

    Here we go, it’s Maaaaaaaats Williams!

  • @davidlewis2055
    @davidlewis2055 11 місяців тому +1

    A lot of south Africans accusing Curry of being deaf.not much you can do though ,panel are spot on ,maybe put Farrell in jail !!

  • @ayabongadayile2234
    @ayabongadayile2234 11 місяців тому +2

    C**t isn't even a word that's commonly used in SA😂😂 that's an English thing. We have much more creative curse words if we're feeling the mood

    • @sashavdmerwe6684
      @sashavdmerwe6684 10 місяців тому

      More accurately, we have better curse words😅

  • @ashleysoudah
    @ashleysoudah 11 місяців тому +1

    sounds like a simple misunderstanding. they should have had a chat and shook hands. nothing more

  • @JohnWilliams-nr3vi
    @JohnWilliams-nr3vi 11 місяців тому

    They know that England has been a joke in this World Cup
    A good attempt at saving themselves from more embarrassment, shame.

  • @peterwomersley
    @peterwomersley 11 місяців тому +2

    Matt who?

  • @jeromeburt5650
    @jeromeburt5650 11 місяців тому +1

    Don't these idiots realise that the afrikaans word kant sounds exactly like the english word which is said to have been used. The word kant would be used throughout a test match by the springboks and the fact that nobody other than South Africans would understand that, is concerning. None of the people crucifying Bongin have even mentioned the language difference!

  • @MKL_D
    @MKL_D 11 місяців тому +1

    Die Kant, we don't use the C word like you guys oor kant, we didn't even know what it meant.

  • @roelofvanhelsdingen9641
    @roelofvanhelsdingen9641 10 місяців тому

    No proof, no crime, no panel. Its as simple as that.

  • @bigpeters4428
    @bigpeters4428 11 місяців тому +1

    Tom Curry sounds like a Karen lately.... Hey Southerner here

  • @dominiqueboltman557
    @dominiqueboltman557 11 місяців тому

    Hear what out, two languages, two meanings

  • @albertvandenberg1866
    @albertvandenberg1866 11 місяців тому +1

    In SA. We talk Afrikaaaaans. Not only eng..... And we love to talk Afrikaans.

    • @stevenlannister184
      @stevenlannister184 11 місяців тому

      You also flood Irish TV shows comments sections for some weird reason

    • @Zion66666
      @Zion66666 11 місяців тому +1

      Tom curry se ma se poes. ..I’m talking about his cat

  • @daviddorfan9023
    @daviddorfan9023 7 місяців тому

    I forgot to say ho. w strongly I agreed with the other comments regarding the incredible bias of Matt Williams, who is even worse as an analyst than he was as a coach. This whole show seems very prejudiced.

  • @MrTarrentaal
    @MrTarrentaal 11 місяців тому +1

    Bongi is the only real victim here. These muppets on the panel , just go and get an Afrikaans/English dictionary… 😂😂😂

  • @xareettmayr
    @xareettmayr 11 місяців тому +1

    You Pommies have no reason to complain about anything. When did you score a try against South Africa for the last time? Go back and practice harder and improve your game instead of complaining about referees, spectators, apparent bad language etc. Pommies !!

  • @andrewlowry2142
    @andrewlowry2142 10 місяців тому

    I propose that World rugby institute lie detectors at all future world cup games ... and an independent panel along the lines of the yellow/red card bunker. That should sort it out.

  • @daviddorfan9023
    @daviddorfan9023 7 місяців тому

    in my last comment, I was perhaps a little harsh. I totally agree that World Rugby needs to get off their high horse, but I am totally disgusted by your presentation, which does not consider how wronged Bongi was. He is the one who lost out because of the poor handling of the situation . WR tends to favor home nations. e,g The handling of the Sexton matter and the attempt to let Farrell off when he clearly uses a tackle technique where the margin of error means you will get red carded for dangerous play if anything goes slightly awry.

  • @NolanEmmett
    @NolanEmmett 11 місяців тому

    GROEN KANT will not be bothered by the ignorance shown from the people who just want their voices heard by the WIT KANT - Pathetic actually !!!!

  • @mjhrobson
    @mjhrobson 11 місяців тому

    Also that is not the "racist" term for a white person in South Africa. He would have used a Zulu or Xhosa word (if angry in the "heat of the moment") and he would not have recognized the meaning.

  • @gregiliffe7120
    @gregiliffe7120 10 місяців тому

    In my opinion, Curry new what he was doing in the 28th minute to prejudice South Africa and he must apologize.

  • @louwkemp2400
    @louwkemp2400 10 місяців тому

    I speak Afrikaans - Wit kant means - White side - this is just an indication to his team mates on something

  • @Mightyguybrush2
    @Mightyguybrush2 10 місяців тому

    I wonder what would have happened if it was the other way around.

  • @Malesela-x2h
    @Malesela-x2h 11 місяців тому +1

    Enjoy the sour grapes Matt

  • @cventer838
    @cventer838 11 місяців тому

    "WIT KANT" = white side! He doesn't speak Afrikaans. Goodness me, what a sad misunderstanding! What a huge fuss about something that doesn't exist. Justice for Cury, what about justice for Bongi? This situation has become quite embarrassing 😳

  • @francoiscoetzer9920
    @francoiscoetzer9920 11 місяців тому

    I think they need to put Bongi and Tommie Girl in a locked room and let them sort things out. Yeah…sort things out.

  • @kwaailight
    @kwaailight 11 місяців тому

    You talk about justice for Curry. What about justice for Bongi?!?

  • @MaenLifethejourney925
    @MaenLifethejourney925 11 місяців тому

    SA people dont really use the "C" Word. This sounds one sided, what about Bongi being Accused and being viewed as a racist now??? So there is nothing about that, its just that Curry feels he's been ALLEGEDLY racially abused. One of our players and his family was threatened with their lives.....Nothing about that.....racism cant exist but so much is made of this with Curry.....nothing on the Accused or SA guys being threatened with their lives?????

  • @lindsayjenions2795
    @lindsayjenions2795 11 місяців тому +7

    And what about hearing the defendant/accused as well? All one-sided this entire issue. But justly resolved per insufficient evidence.

  • @Chris_Rugby
    @Chris_Rugby 11 місяців тому +1

    'They should've heard from Curry, and then made a decision.' Forget about hearing from Mbonambi...talk about racism lol.

  • @thegreytone
    @thegreytone 3 місяці тому

    "my bru die kant, die kant!!" - Afrikaans
    "Bro this side, this side!!" - English
    Imagine as a South African saying, "hy's omkant" 😅 when you're just saying he's offside 😂 all they'll be hearing is the word "kant" which are not "cunt" but "side."

  • @vuyaniman9440
    @vuyaniman9440 11 місяців тому

    What was the panel going to hear that hasn’t already been said?
    Justice? There isn’t evidence though.

  • @party007100
    @party007100 11 місяців тому +2

    There is no evidence. The referee did not hear it. The further allegation also does not make sense. Also no evidence. It is now appearing as a nasty set-up, premeditated allegation by Tom Curry around the 30 minute mark during the game against South Africa. It looks like it was a nasty game tactic to disrupt Bongi’s game concentration and the South African scrum, and then further to stop him playing in the final. Albeit there are other England members who were part of these premeditated false allegations. There also needs to be disciplinary action taken by World Rugby for false allegations.

  • @monwabisihenisi3877
    @monwabisihenisi3877 11 місяців тому +2

    Matt William is bydie wit kank😂😂😂

    • @pierre2898
      @pierre2898 11 місяців тому +1

      He must kies jou kant

  • @tyronedejager2202
    @tyronedejager2202 11 місяців тому

    We don't use the c word in SA, it's just not a thing here. It was afrikaans lol

  • @chrisbornman716
    @chrisbornman716 10 місяців тому

    I just wonderbwhat all the french and argentenia players said during the game in there languages😂😂😂 and then there are that one prop from namibia. We who speak the lingo we know😂😂😂😂

  • @chrisnaude2929
    @chrisnaude2929 10 місяців тому

    The irony of this lot talking about racism is certainly not lost on them is it? #ThereAreOtherLanguagesOtherThanEnglish #ColonialTendencies #MXMTSEKTSOTSIS

  • @powlly5738
    @powlly5738 11 місяців тому

    White side? Which side? 😂😂
    I cant make sense of this phrase.
    This guy must explain to us what he understood that caused hurt feelings 😂🤦

  • @jeanm27
    @jeanm27 11 місяців тому

    Is Rob Kearny the only sensible person on this panel?

  • @StuartTheunissen
    @StuartTheunissen 10 місяців тому

    Test rugby player whines to ref because he thinks someone called him a nasty name 😭. Pathetic, even for school level sport.

  • @Leon-ph7br
    @Leon-ph7br 10 місяців тому

    Justice for Curry? Oh please. Tell you what... send Curry and everyone else that keeps talking about this on an Afrikaans course. That's justice.

  • @ashleydeklerk6192
    @ashleydeklerk6192 11 місяців тому

    So World Rugby should have heard from Tom Curry and then make a decision. What are you saying he spoke the truth and Bongi didn’t. What an idiotic one sided imperialist thing to say!

  • @Lisolomzi_Makabane
    @Lisolomzi_Makabane 11 місяців тому

    Did he hear white kant or did he hear wit kant

  • @jpdevilliers3768
    @jpdevilliers3768 11 місяців тому

    Process?????? Just get a person who speaks both Afrikaans and English to translate what he said.

  • @rorysullivan4913
    @rorysullivan4913 11 місяців тому

    Sad and bitter old man. Wonder what went wrong in his life

  • @pierrejoubert7195
    @pierrejoubert7195 11 місяців тому

    Justice must be seen to be done! If there are insufficient evidence or no evidence how can you expect to only take Tom Curry's testimony into account??? In what legal system is that the modus operandi? Come now gents, rather leave the legal procedures to the professionals and stick to what you guys get paid for.

  • @fohunter12345
    @fohunter12345 11 місяців тому

    I haven't seen any 'abuse'. He (Curry) made an unverified claim of racist remarks. Curry is not a victim. Pathetic 😂

  • @mariussims7107
    @mariussims7107 11 місяців тому

    You can't put transparency and World Rugby in one sentence. All should know that by now

  • @crazybigboye4919
    @crazybigboye4919 11 місяців тому

    They are distracting the rugby world by saying that. So curry don't have to apologize. What did the boks do to old Matt, why is he so annoyed even bitter every time he talks about the boks. "Daai kant" can stop now, it done and dusted. Two best teams in the world are playing the final today. Matt drink the heart pills today old chap because "eish" the best is yet to come.

  • @homonaledi640
    @homonaledi640 10 місяців тому

    If Tom Curry had lodged a complaint, he would be heard. He didn't lodge a complaint, why? Why did England rugby not lodge a formal complaint if they're so convinced? Bongi should lay a defamation lawsuit but he probably doesn't care about English nonsense.

    • @Leprechaunmonkey101
      @Leprechaunmonkey101 10 місяців тому

      His family got sexual death threats maybe he didn’t want them to receive more and maybe he didn’t want to bother with saffa nonsense

  • @paulhyland4653
    @paulhyland4653 11 місяців тому

    What drama queen's curry got it wrong and accused someone unfairlyof racism. He was speaking afrikaans wit kant means white side.

  • @bwarrior6340
    @bwarrior6340 11 місяців тому +21

    Was a witch hunt all along and WR knew it. As simple as that.

  • @warrenbooysen
    @warrenbooysen 11 місяців тому +154

    Things Matt will soon say
    1) If there is/was a language barrier or miscommunication then South Africa may not speak Afrikaans in a test match. It’s against the spirit of the game
    2) If SA play at home and win at altitude … world rugby should outlaw high altitude matches in the spirit of the game
    3) if SA keep winning their line-outs and stealing opposition ball, world rugby should put a height limit on jumpers in the spirit of the game.
    4) If pollard continues making penalties from 50 plus, then world rugby should, in the spirit of the game, outlaw kicking for posts from within your own half.
    Hope the 7-1 doesn’t put anyone in a wheel chair tomorrow 😂
    Don’t stress Matt. We love you, our Wise and Mystical All-Knowing Rugby Spiritual Guru …. you have been one of the highlights of the World Cup experience.

    • @monwabisihenisi3877
      @monwabisihenisi3877 11 місяців тому +5

      The Matt guy makes sick, everything that comes out of his mouth

    • @joseparedes5703
      @joseparedes5703 11 місяців тому +9

      Mutt Williams the biggest racist at the RWC and why are you people still discussing this issue it's this platform and others that fuel this issue 😢just shut up and talk about weather Mamparas 😂😂😂😂Go Bokke

    • @vineshnaidoo9402
      @vineshnaidoo9402 11 місяців тому +7

      Muppet Tindall not far behind in Pinocchio points

    • @cindybuzatu2850
      @cindybuzatu2850 11 місяців тому +4

      Don't forget the scrum penalty

    • @prudeuncle
      @prudeuncle 11 місяців тому

      ​@@vineshnaidoo9402I absolutely hate Tindall. Guy is a joke, his wife brings home the bacon. What a man!

  • @Thabs474
    @Thabs474 11 місяців тому +28

    Love it!! Hate us, we really do not care, until you guys understand what Wit Kant means, then we’ll talk.

    • @Millennial_Mike
      @Millennial_Mike 11 місяців тому +2

      Why would he have said White Side? Like... what context is thar correct. Its like a child protesting they actually said "foot in hell"

    • @Thabs474
      @Thabs474 11 місяців тому

      @@Millennial_Mike they say it for every side, imagine black people getting mad because of swart Kant, le bleu - blou Kant. Just tell my why exactly you’re heart broken as if he did something so sinister?

    • @eisbeinGermany
      @eisbeinGermany 11 місяців тому

      @@Millennial_Mike if it was said right he said WYD KANT--meaning wide side, not white c*nt,

    • @prudeuncle
      @prudeuncle 11 місяців тому +6

      ​​​@@Millennial_Mikewhite jersey = England. Wake up you kant.

    • @JacoJordaan-yw2nh
      @JacoJordaan-yw2nh 11 місяців тому +4

      @MikeChaz1989 A lot of scenarios would make sense. Perhaps England had a turnover and Bongi was warning the defense to get ready. Perhaps Curry made the turnover and that is why he believed the comment was directed at him.
      Most likely Bongi shouted wyd kant which means open side warning the defense that England will be attacking the open side.
      Joost vd Westhuizen and Ruben Kruger once got in trouble for calling a move to the blind side by shouting blind kant and the ref thought they were abusing him. He thought they were calling him a blind c*nt.

  • @MosesMatsepane
    @MosesMatsepane 11 місяців тому +33

    The English media got a taste of their own medicine, South Africans are tough people, we are not Meghan Markle. As a country we never play around with racism and discrimination, we have zero tolerance for it. So when Tom Curry acused Bongi, the whole country knew that he was lying, that's why everyone defended Bongi. The English and their media can make noise all they want, South Africans will never back down.

  • @Shaakireen8875
    @Shaakireen8875 11 місяців тому +19

    Is Tom Curry a child??
    "momy, momy, peter at school called me a marshmallow!"

    • @somanytakennames
      @somanytakennames 11 місяців тому +3

      Ah yes, because if one of the England team had directed a racial slur towards one of the South African players you’d be saying the same thing right?

    • @memeguyTM
      @memeguyTM 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@somanytakennames England lost their right to do these things after their wondering historical records in mastering colonialism...

    • @stuarthanna-ih9lt
      @stuarthanna-ih9lt 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@memeguyTMwhat they lost they're right to complain about possible racism because of their past. Racism is racism irrespective of the past and should be called out. That being said I do think it was something said in afrikaans and worldrugby making a big deal out of nothing.

    • @memeguyTM
      @memeguyTM 11 місяців тому +3

      @@stuarthanna-ih9lt world rugby is not making a big deal out of it. They consider the matter closed. The people making a big deal out of it is Tom Curry and the English rugby union. They are still disappointed with the outcome despite all the facts being released!

    • @somanytakennames
      @somanytakennames 11 місяців тому +1

      @@memeguyTM
      How do you know Curry isn’t finished with the matter? Have you spoken to him personally?

  • @yancke
    @yancke 11 місяців тому +20

    Eyerolled so hard, im blind now. Thanks VM Sport.

  • @selwyngoldstone7206
    @selwyngoldstone7206 11 місяців тому +19

    Please don't deny that with Billy Beaumont showing biased behavior favoring his team there will be lack of transparency and closed door decisions leaning towards cover up to hide English embarrassment

  • @GertConradie
    @GertConradie 11 місяців тому +10

    Matt acknowledge nobody know for sure. Either Curry heard what he claim or Bongi is falsely accused. Both parties got abused. Still the only concern of Matt is justice for Curry. No concern for the position of Bongi.
    If only there was a word for that outlook on people.....
    Makes me very suspicious of Matt's dislike of the Springboks.... is team composition affect his view of the team?

  • @theroogie
    @theroogie 11 місяців тому +7

    Just a little something to leave for Matt - 🏆🏆🏆🏆🇿🇦

    • @Alias-gy3tz
      @Alias-gy3tz 10 місяців тому +1

      Dis so lekker om weer aan die WEN KANT te wees... vir die vierde keer. 😂

  • @olwethu2424
    @olwethu2424 11 місяців тому +41

    English is not the only language spoken
    😮😮

  • @IanKilvarn
    @IanKilvarn 11 місяців тому +7

    Ridiculous. How much racism does anyone think Bongi has had to endure as a professional black rugby player? Does Bongi shout about that, no he gets on with life and playing rugby. Bongi is far too respectful of human beings to have said anything in this silly stupid accusation. Move on Bongi does every time he faces racism without the need of media attention.

  • @pierre-emmanuelrichard9324
    @pierre-emmanuelrichard9324 11 місяців тому +14

    If you have proof, come with it so that Mbonambi has to explain itself.
    It's not very complicated to handle.

    • @sibzism
      @sibzism 11 місяців тому

      Yeah, I'm ready for the evidence as well! It sounded from the RFU statement like RFU were sitting on piles and piles of evidence so it's not obvious to me why they wouldn't share it...🤔 And WR hasnt said why they didnt want to see it. Its all a bit strange to be honest
      Anyway, bigger fish to fry! Tomorrow is the final!!! 🎉

    • @area_5049
      @area_5049 11 місяців тому

      You don't get it (or don't want to) world rugby did not give Curry the opportunity to be heard, which is the least they could have done. He was not allowed to give his side of the story.

    • @sibzism
      @sibzism 11 місяців тому +4

      @area_5049 yes but justice is about evidence not storytelling! Bring the evidence to the front!!!! It's that simple 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @Rcoetzee9636
      @Rcoetzee9636 11 місяців тому +1

      I heard it on a video clip where Bongi says die wit kant = the white side as an answer to a question by one of the other forwards. So STOP this stupidity.

    • @johnlouw6449
      @johnlouw6449 11 місяців тому

      @@area_5049 I sense bias here.

  • @stevelee4952
    @stevelee4952 11 місяців тому +11

    Here is a great idea. Lets take a lesson from SA about racial justice 😅.

    • @kaalvoet
      @kaalvoet 11 місяців тому +4

      Yeah lets take one from England 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Sabundy
      @Sabundy 11 місяців тому +3

      As opposed to who? Australia? England? Or America? Yes..... because they all have great racial records and have all been the pinnacle of racial justice 😂😂😂😂😂😂.

    • @jankoekemoer6034
      @jankoekemoer6034 11 місяців тому

      England is the last country that can talk about justice. Whining panzies

    • @nathanoneill2362
      @nathanoneill2362 11 місяців тому

      ​@@Sabundyim surprised you even have the electricty to type that out considering your current racism is leaving you all with rolling blackouts of 8-16 hours with no leccy.

    • @figrim14
      @figrim14 11 місяців тому +2

      @@nathanoneill2362Oh look! A white European criticising developmental struggles in Africa. That's not racist at all from someone claiming the moral high ground🙄 Seems you don't know the difference between racism and government corruption🥱 Just like you don't know the difference between English and Afrikaans

  • @struesbob7493
    @struesbob7493 11 місяців тому +18

    Bottom line is this brings us closer. South Africa! Allegations are just so pathetic. Country behind Bongi.

  • @danielf4503
    @danielf4503 11 місяців тому +5

    Curry knew in what context MBongi (also overheard by his fellow SA players) he made the complaint/accusation and why.Was this the first time an opponent used fowl language towards him!Racism?Come on!!! In a SA team context?!!!

  • @Munkey205
    @Munkey205 11 місяців тому +8

    Matt Williams is a clown, if there is no evidence there will be no charge. How can you put the complainant in front of a panel, that’s not how it works. This is sour grapes from the northern hemisphere teams that can’t win a raffle

    • @rooftile883
      @rooftile883 11 місяців тому

      Currie made the complaint at a stage during the game when England were well in front.

    • @johnjames6620
      @johnjames6620 11 місяців тому

      @@rooftile883 He was no doubt buying insurance because he knew they would ultimately lose!

    • @rooftile883
      @rooftile883 11 місяців тому +1

      @@johnjames6620 😀 But if it was reversed roles with alleged White on Black racism, the player would have been banned with immediate effect.

    • @johnjames6620
      @johnjames6620 11 місяців тому +1

      Surely, all the Tom Curry needs is some TLC and counseling! If he can't handle Afrikaans, he will crumble in front of a panel!

    • @rooftile883
      @rooftile883 11 місяців тому

      @@johnjames6620 You really believe he said White "kant".