How to use a REFLECTOR the right way! STOP using REFLECTORS to make bad outdoor portrait lighting
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Are you trying to learn how to use a reflector properly? Can we all agree that the idea with portraits is to flatter someone - not to make them look bad. Right? TV shows, movies, and unfortunately even UA-cam photographers seem to think it's really cool to do that low angle gold reflector that blinds your subject, makes ridiculously bright catchlights in the bottom of the eyes and puts shadows in weird places. This lighting does not make great portraits or modeling shots - in fact it makes people look ghoulish.
I get it - as a new or young photographer the first time you light somebodies face up so that it is golden yellow and three stops brighter than the background - it seems really cool - even if you are causing retina damage in your subjects eyes.
Many of you also take portraits indoors, maybe in a studio and maybe in your living room. Some of you use speedlights, some of you use continuous lighting, some of you use monolights…. how often do you place your main or key light below your subject if you are trying to create a flattering portrait?
Why would you suddenly do things differently just because you go outside to shoot - you wouldn’t - well - you shouldn’t. Lighting a flattering portrait outside - is no different than lighting a flattering portrait inside except that you have this one EXTREMELY bright light source that you can’t move or dial down at will - it’s called the sun - so you have to diffuse or re-direct it, but that is not an excuse to turn things upside down and put your key light below your subjects face.
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I'm a Zombie Portrait Photographer and I find this video offensive.
OMG Moto_rider - I am so sorry to hear that you have succumbed to the Zombie ways. TWO suggestions for you....1. Subscribe to my channel - I'll help you come back to the independent thinking side of things. 2. For additional help - visit www.zombiephotographer.com and be sure to digest as MUCH of the material that you find there as you possibly can. It will take you several days - but it is the first step to recovery!
Thank God! I didn't realize there was a cure! Let's just hope the Umbrella corporation doesn't find out! (See what I did there? Umbrellas. I'm so smart.) Joe, I love your videos. I'm currently working with a one light setup in my home, and I do have a reflector like the one you flip at the beginning of this video. You're absolutely right - the bottom placement of the reflector just makes things worse... I've been experimenting with mounting white/silver umbrellas with no speed light onto a stand, and positioning them so as to use them as reflectors to fill in light where there's lots of shadow. So far I've had interesting results, and I think it's a great way to use umbrellas even if you have no direct light (such as from a speed light) coming through/at them. Maybe try it in a future video? :) Cheers, and please keep up the excellent work.
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I've been taking photos for over 20 years and while I can't recall ever using the lowered, angle up technique, I definitely don't recall telling anyone to hold the reflector up high and angle down either. I just adjusted the reflector until it have me what looked like good lighting. Just goes to show, you're never too old to learn something new.
Probably the best 2 second intro in the history of youtube
LOL orange42 - thank you! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!
orange42 I agree
You have a great knack for explaining things clearly and concisely. I've seen longer videos that explain less and do it less clearly.
I appreciate your kind words and comments FireAngel Londoner! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos.
Oh I already did that, I've been learning from you for a while. Can't practise much at the moment as I am ill and spend a fair amount of time back and forth between hospital and home. A few more months and I shall be out taking pictures more often, visiting doctors less.
Awesome FireAngel Londoner! Be sure to join my Facebook group - and I will look forward to your new photos. facebook.com/groups/ispphotographers/
I'm glad I stumbled across this video. As an avid landscape photographer I've been wanting to venture towards portraits. I've seen many popular UA-cam photographers demonstrating the use of reflectors.I am not impressed with the finished results. Unflattering and unnatural shadows. I've also seen videos with photographers carrying thousands of dollars of lighting gear with 4 assistants to get photos that are mediocre at best. I will definitely take your advice to heart. You make perfect sense.
Gold reflectors at head and shoulder level are wonderful when shooting dark skinned subjects, but other than that, I agree with you
I'm convinced. Thank you
You're very welcome Faisal Almaiman! Thanks for commenting
Wow I learned a lot in 8 minutes. Thank you!
Captivating Joe. It’s in the “why”. Thanks for the science and physics explanations👍
Your videos always make me so happy, Joe. Thanks for continually pushing us to get better at our craft. (Or less "badder")
Thank you for the kind words TechSponge ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!
So few you tubers know as much about photography as they think. This guy is the exception. Brilliant.
Excellent. I don't think I've ever heard it explained or illustrated this way.
Glad you enjoyed it David Fraser (PhotoSophistry)! I appreciate the comment!
*I like the way you think Joe! I use the bounce side for filling shadows (below) and the reflector size for a fill light.*
Another great video, short concise and to the point. Personally, I think the practice is sloppy bad habits. The reflectors I have used in the past have been strictly general area fills, usually around -1 stop and always white to avoid mixed color cast. Changing to a key light is a completely different ballgame involving careful attention to direction, color, and intensity, which I personally find difficult to control with just a reflector. Great points on the "tattletale" shadows on the edges of clothing. Once one gets used to checking these details they get obvious. Often stated but worth repeating, great video!
Thanks for the kind words Edward Gill! You make a great point - "habits" Getting in enough practice to create good habits - goes a long way to eliminate faux paus like top shadows.
"This video isn't about looking cool", oh but you do Joe! I enjoy your presentation and enthusiasm!
I've nodded off trying to follow most other lighting instructor vids.
thanks for this video. SO you need a 2nd person to hold the reflector. What if you are shooting alone, vlog style? You're outside, no stand to attach the reflector on. What tips do you have when you shoot alone? camera held in front of you
Thank you, Joe! Loved the video. I have an outdoor shoot coming up and I haven't used a reflector all that much in the past (I have always just worked with the sun) but I recently bought one and am going to be using it on this shoot.
You are very welcome Michael Short! I appreciate the comment!
Really useful examples. Thanks for this!
You're welcome Curtis Judd I appreciate the comment!
Excellent video and information. I always thought these exact points but just did not know how to word it. Thanks, Joe!
Eye opener for most of the photographers... thank you so much joe
Didn't know this! But I knew there is something wrong with my images! Now I undestand what it is. Thank you Joe!
Awesome Jürgen Schlei ! Glad to have provided that "aha" moment!
Joe this is why you are a Teacher and a PRO, THANK YOU!, yes, many UA-cam (PRO) photographer that i do (yes do follow) place their reflectors beneath the subject eye level . We, the armatures community dont know any better and we believe if the professionals are doing it , it must be correct, Many thanks for clarifying it and by Keeping it simple stupid concept of yours.
Thank you LIllyman JPL! I really appreciate the kind words and comments. For that reason I will forgive you for subscribing to another photography channel on UA-cam!?!?!?! 😜
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Joe, Again a great video that explains in layman's term what to do and what not to do on outdoor reflector usage. To be honest with you, I rarely use reflectors... because I did not use it correctly and photos came out looking wrong. Now armed with the right knowledge, I'm going to start experimenting with the usage again and see how things change. Thank you!
Thank you! I am learning so much! So excited to keep growing.
Awesome Lyndsie Miles! Thanks for commenting!
Hey great video Joe! I've certainly been guilty of this sin. You examples and explanation are fantastic. One thing I would have liked to see are the side-by-sides of the lower and higher level lighting. I could tell a definite improvement with the change, but I think this would really help me see the full atrocity of unnatural lighting angles in comparison. Thanks again!
thank you SIR
i bought my reflectors today ...u save me from making the mistake i was dead set on making *hold reflector below the model*
You're welcome Haseeb Imran I appreciate the comment!
Will be using one of these for the first time this weekend. Glad I am getting started on the right foot, thanks to this video!!!
and again...another awesome and very useful tutorial...can't thank you enough for sharing your experience and knowledge with us Joe 😊
You are very welcome butchpouka! I appreciate the comment!
Palm to my forehead (as in "I could've had a V!")! The way you explain light & the way we humans subconsiously percieve light makes so much sense! As so many others in this community, I appreciate every thing you do for those of us willing to not only learn, but are willing to be taught. I'm thankful that you love your craft so much that you're willing to share your knowledge & expertise. Thank you, Joe. You truly are appreciated!
Thank you Jim Fachini! I really appreciate the kind words!
Thank you, Joe, for a very interesting and informative lesson!
In my studio, for portraits, I use a reflector mounted on a lightstand opposite the main light source, and behind/off axis the model's far shoulder. It does work. However I'm going to try and angle the reflector a little higher and see if there's a marked change.
Also, I'm going to try a less reflective material to provide a little fill under the models chin (another reflector, using white as opposed to silver or gold. I think that would work without being too overpowering.
You have another sub!
Happy shooting all! x
Many thanks,
Daz (London UK)
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Have watched several of your Videos now. Must say that they keep your interest while imparting information and thus teaching . Thank you.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for commenting cheryl cooper!
Joe, I always enjoy your video's and always learn something new. You have a real knack not only showing the How but also the Why. Thanks.
You're very welcome Clyde Wurster! Thank you so much for the kind words!
To be honest, this is the best video explained reflector and how to your them with reason and facts I have seen so far on YT. and the way you teach that so simple and understandable is awesome. thanks Joe for great work.
You're very welcome Behnam Tavakolzadeh! I am glad that you found it useful. Thanks for subscribing! It's great to have you along for the ride!
Hi Joe! I just discovered your channel and instantly fell in love with the way you teach. I learned sooo much from you in half an hour than anywhere else on youtube! Your time and effort is greatly appreciated 👍 Subscribed! You have a new follower :)
Thanks lin lin and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!
thank you so much! I like the way you exude confidence in your videos!
This is a really good point. Thanks, definitely a great and helpful tip!
Joe! Thank you for posting this video. I've been seeing not so right way of lighting technique by some youtuber photographer. They use expensive camera, lens and other equipment and misuse of the cheapest equipment produce not so great images. I think photography technique starts with eyes, brain and experience.
Well said Fine Exposure! Thanks for commenting!
Thank you for this thorough explanation. I was going to disagree with you up until you differentiated the use of reflectors for fill light.
It would have been useful to see your outdoor shots done with the gold reflector and then with a silver or white version. Still the angle made all the difference as you stated. I too remember Peter Gowland!
Finally, nice ninja-like moves on the opening sequence! That was a mini-tutorial itself on how to pack away the reflector.
As always, informative and fun!
LOL - Thank you Impostertot and thanks for the suggestions!
I'm so late to this video, but I learned so much with these tips. Thank you so much for this!
Wow I love this video. For the longest time I’ve been trying to figure out how to use lighting in portraits in natural light
1st of all... I like your shirt A LOT. I would have asked for it IF I could wear it, which I can't because of our body type difference...lol. 2ndly...after almost all of your tutorials... I can't help but think that why I didn't (or couldn't) think of that? I mean...AFTER your short lecture...it all seems so simple and obvious. Of course...that keen eye and observation needs to be developed over years of experience. I am learning so much from you. I have a reflector/diffuser set and I have never used it. Now I will definitely practice reflecting and diffusing with it...keeping in mind...never to use the golden side.
Thank you very much for your time and effort.
Thank you for the kind words Wahab Dilawar!
I was planning to buy a reflector when I bumped into this video! This is cool! 😀👍👌👏 Liked and subbed
Thanks vangelaobli and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!
Thank you Joe. As always, excellent, professional advice delivered without silliness with an abundance of good humor.
You're very welcome Bob Thurmond! Thank you so much for the kind words!
I had sort of an unintentional arrival at the same conclusion where I had some shots that had different positioning of the lights and one passed the eye test over the other. Thanks for your more in depth explanation!
Those portraits you took with the reflector held at a high angle looked beautiful. Though as I don't have any assistants, how would I position the reflector in the same spot and keep it there?
Going to invest in a reflector thanks to you. Got into photography 4 weeks ago.
Awesome Screechez! Thanks for commenting! Do me a favor.... if you are passionate about photography and really want to learn... spend more time using the camera than you do on UA-cam! UA-cam will not make you a good photographer. You Tube is a good resource - but to learn photography - you have to go and take pictures and make LOTS of mistakes.
Joe Edelman You are right! Usually spend more time messing with my camera settings but I needed to know how the reflector worked effectively! And it was worth getting
I just got a 5 in 1 reflector for the first time today and this video will help me out a lot on how to use it properly. Thank you!
Everytime i watch your video i learn something new....will definitely follow this advise...thank you!
"...or look cool while you turn them into zombies." hahaha, your killing me! So good! Just found the channel, love your work!
Thank you for the kind words Alice and the Walrus ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!
I've been an avid amateur photographer for several years. Lighting has been such a difficult subject to find reasonable information on that I haven't used a reflector at all.
Thank you for showing clear examples to contrast the effects of low and high angle. This definitely gives me principles to use to get started with a reflector.
You are very welcome Eric Vicaria! I am glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks so much for the explanation. I'm gonna shoot with a reflector for the first time tomorrow. I'm grateful for the advice. I hope we create something great.
I mainly use reflectors spring --autumn so this one have been on my list until now. I mainly use a small hand-held reflector and tend to prefer a simple white color. Now I have some new ideas for what I should try next.
Awesome sfr3455f! I am glad it gave you some ideas! Be sure to join my Facebook Group and I will look forward to some of your results: facebook.com/groups/ispphotographers/
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Joe Edelman same here first time viewer and hit subscribe and like right away, great video and really helpful, look forward to watching more thank you so much,
The design of your clothing is WOW
This is great help Joe, I just got my hands on a reflector and I’ll be honest that if I didn’t see this, I probably would have done the same thing. Thanks, I’m doing a shoot Sunday with some natural light and this definitely helped.
YEEEEEEES. Exactly, great exploration of a design flaw in photography
Great energy! Subscribed!
Thanks Firehouse Creative LLC and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!
"Causing Retina damage..." ROTFLMAO!!
Thanks for commenting Breeze Smith! 😁
I like your explanations. clear and simple. gets the important information delivered. subscribed.
Great tip and lesson Joe. Love your- easy to listen to and understand videos. Thanks
I appreciate your kind words and comments The Big Lad's Home Cooking!
your awesome video brings up a important question....what are some useful ways to prop up reflectors above head when you don't have an assistant?
Glad you enjoyed it Phil Indeblanc! I appreciate the comment! The easiest plan is a decent light stand and reflector holder and a good sandbag helps. I am a big fan of the Calumet Zipdisc Holder amzn.to/2hNRCB9 and I would recommend a slightly heavier stand: 7.0-Foot Heavy Duty Light Stand amzn.to/2gLlxfu and sandbag: amzn.to/2hwJ2rf
Joe Edelman I have the Lastolite Trigrip, it is very fun because I have no assistant. I have my Dslr in one hand and the Trigrip in the over
you're adorable!! I'm just an amateur freelance model, but have learned a bit about lighting from watching all the photographers who shoot me...and I agree with this video 100%! Next time one of my clients tries to light me from below........I'll keep my mouth shut, because no matter how much better I think I know.. .it's all about letting the client think he knows whats he's doing 😜
LOL Wonder Hussy - Thank you for the kind words!
Yes!
When photographers hire you to model, they will in all probability get offended if you make any suggestion, regarding their "craft". And that's too bad for them! LOL!
One reason for that, is the photographers ego. All of us photographers should think about our percieved mindset. That's a good description; Mindset.
The other reason is when they hire you, they are not necessarily one of your "Clients" as if you were cutting their hair, or mowing their lawn.
Usually, you would be viewed as a much needed, temporary employee.
Or at times, both model and photographer would be Equals, if it's a collaboration! That's my favorite! Both should have equal input in this case. i.e. Art project.
Finally, YOU could hire the services of a photographer, to take your portrait. In that case, you would be their client.
But, I'm not saying there is NO situation where the photographer would visit you as a "model" once in a while, and they would be your viewed as your "client".
Fantastic video. In new to photography/videography and this is super helpful.
Great explanation on this topic Joe!! Thanks!
Good video. Too bad I didn't watch it before spending the afternoon blinding my kid with a low gold reflector at the park... One question: is there ever a good reason to bend the reflector, or should it always be used flat?
Wow, I learned a lot! This 8-minute video will save new photographers like me!
Thanks Augustus Columbano and THANKS for subscribing - great to have you along for the ride!
It hurts but what matters is, I learn something better. It is always best to listen to pros. Thank you for this video.
Another great video, Joe. I've never seen the example of showing the light going in a 360 degree circle around the models face (like you did). That was genius and really helpful to understand different directions of light. You're becoming dangerously close to becoming my favorite UA-cam er!
Thank you for the kind words Amy B ! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!
I'm totally trying to do that juggling in the beggining of the video XD
Be careful Una forma de VER!!! Now I am thinking I should of put a health disclaimer in the beginning of the video... something like: "Do NOT try this at home. This is a trained professional in a secure studio. Trying this technique without proper training and safety precautions could lead to frustration, head bumps and seriously embarrassing video clips. No reflectors or photographers were harmed in the making of this video." Ok, I think that should cover it!
Finally someone that put a bad habbit to sleep.
Hope everyone see this one !!
Glad you enjoyed it Tore Hansen! I appreciate the comment!
Thank you for this. Can't wait to put it into practice!
Really interesting. Love your videos Joe. Informative and serious,yet delivered in a fun way. Keep 'em coming!
I appreciate your kind words and comments garfield4108!
You got me Joe, I thought all reflectors were fill lights with outdoor light always coming from above what else could a reflector be unless your at a sandy beach or the reflector is translucent in order to reduce sunlight.
Indeed Gregory Sargeant, they are are fill lights... until they aren't! Once the light from the reflector overpowers the ambient light on the face - it becomes the key light. Thanks for commenting!
This is interesting and helpful, but I do have a question about this. You talk about using reflectors for fill in studio but can't you use a reflector for fill outside and use the sun as a key light in certain situations (without diffusion)?
Thanks Emily Moore. I didn't say that you can't use a reflector outside as a fill. The video talks about the fact that most people THINK they are using the reflector as a fill by putting it underneath the subject but unfortunately they are using a highly reflective surface or they have it too close and get this: 4:39 . So yes, you can use a reflector as fill - under your subject - without diffusion as long as you don't let the reflector become a key light. Bottom line - there is no "one size fits all answer". Photography doesn't work that way.
If you are using the undiffused sun as your main light, how are your subjects not squinting (and hence, looking terrible)?
Emily Moore, a white reflector looks great from that angle. Silver and gold not so much.
BRO!!!!!! You are Soooo Amazing!!! Thanks alot!!! And your style is dope!!!!!!!
This and the last two videos I have seen are soooo revealing! Thanks a lot!
Thank you so much for the information. Bought today mi first reflector, and already know the way to use it
Thanks for the great videos Joe, they really are a big help. Glad you're here brother. Thumbs up as always...
You're welcome safeharbor7! Glad to have you along for the ride!
I was an assistant to one photographer last summer and he asked me hold reflector under need as key light, when I told to him it looks not natural he was angry on me and any way I had to do it in him way. I know it he is not right but he did not want admit it. Any way most of photographers dose mistake like this.
Unfortunately it is scary how many people insist on placing the reflector below the face Skirmantas Rinkevicius. Thanks for commenting!
Skirmantas Rinkevicius and a lot thinks it is right too.
I have always thought then I gave seen it that that way is wrong.
Unless you are making a horror image
Unfortunately, as an assistant, you often have to do things the photographer's way, even when you know they're wrong. The time to discuss things like this is before or after the shoot, never while subjects and clients are on set.
Try Harder I did all what he asked me. We had a chat separate from customers I respecting he's work and he but if some one see you mistake and trying help to you, you can't be arrogance against him. Lol 😁
If you're an assistant for a photographer, don't challenge them or suggest they're "doing it wrong." Your job is to assist, and unless they ask your opinion, keep it to yourself. When you're the photog, you can do it your way. You have no idea what the photographer's vision is for the shoot, and aren't in a position to correct them.
Me too, i don't like golden reflector
Great video. Very enlightening for someone just getting started on portraiture. Thanks
Glad it helped George Mead! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!
Awesome for a beginner learning how light works! thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it Tim Nguyen! I appreciate the comment!
vote no: on Gold reflectors
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ROFL ROFL , i know who youre talking about in this video. wink wink wink Haha!
I have no idea who or what you could possibly be referring to Theoria Apophasis! 🤥
Helpful photographers like you make me keep shooting. Thank you!
thanks Joe, it is a great understandable video and for shure i use in future the reflector from above, when it is used as a key light. And i am glad, that now i understand why my portraits did'nt look, the way i want them to look, when using a reflector outdoors. I am looking forward to try it the next time.
Sorry for your frustration. Is that what made you wear that shirt?
How to wear a SHIRT the right way! STOP wearing ridiculous SHIRTS to make bad indoor portrait videos.
(The video was cool, I just said that for the fun of it)
(Your shirt is ridiculous though)
Love watching you, never boring and always informative
I usually don't comment on videos but you have really did a great job explaining. I just received my reflector in the mail this week. Thank you so much! You have earned a subscriber 😀
Great video. Thank you for getting straight to the point and in easy illustration.
Thank you for your clear thinking
Great video Joe, you're ability to instruct explain photography topics is un paralleled. Thanks for the info.
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Each new video is a reminder that I still have a lot to learn. Thanks for this great video.
You're very welcome ademola solanke and don't worry about the learning - that is part of what makes the journey fun. The day we stop learning is the day our work is officially no longer relevant. Thanks for commenting!
Such a great video, short and packed with information and instruction. Thanks Joel
You're very welcome Thomas Knipe! Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss any videos!
Just got recently a reflector, now I will defintly know how to use it, thank you! :D
LOL you're very welcome Rudolf Weissbecker! I am glad you enjoyed it!
wow... learn something new everyday. Thanks Joe!
You're very welcome silverdoggg! Thank you so much for the kind words!
I just can't put in words how much I liked this video. The video was very informative and more importantly you explained it very beautifully. This was the first video I watched from your channel and I am sure your other videos must be equally informative and well presented. I would highly recommend all photographers to watch this channel if they want to do GOOD PHOTOGRAPHY. I feel myself lucky to land on your channel and wish more and more people watch your videos and learn how to do GOOD PHOTOGRAPHY. Thank You Mr.Joe Edelman for sharing your knowledge about photography with the world.
Very fun & useful advices ! Thanx a lot for sharing !
Thank you! Juan Brezzo Glad you enjoyed it!
True, we never use mono lights shining from below, in indoor studio photography. So I get the point why the same should apply to reflectors used for outdoor photography.
Simply the best. Clear, direct and professional. Thanks
You're very welcome Francesca Prandelli! Thank you so much for the kind words!