The crazies part is learning that floor 12 was actually nerfed on its reset because in original plan pre-reset, floor 12 enemies had even more HP inflation than now. What in the hell HSR devs?
I've been spamming their customer support about this. I don't trust them to even bother to read the feedback they receive if I do not force a response from them.
Players: Too easy! Hahahaha!!! Devs are so dumb, that they can't make stronger enemies on MoC! Devs: And we took that personally. Players now: Ayo!!! WTF devs?!!! Are ye out of your own minds!!! Karma at it's finest XD
it does get demoralising trying to use my really well built xueyi in floor 11 only to realise 'ah nvm this is mathematically impossible without support eidolons' and having to just swap back to the same old firefly/boothill/fua teams. Star rail really does have a problem of older kits just fundamentally having awful multipliers compared to new ones - instead of getting powercrept by unique gimmicks they just intrinsically cannot do more than 1/4 of the damage that others can. like just LOOKING at the damage multipliers blade has and comparing them to feixiao now is actually absurd, i just want to reach that paradise man
It's really absurd how older dps characters can't keep up not just because of their outdated multipliers, but also because enemy HP keeps getting higher than before. Back then a 200% multiplier was considered big for it's time, especially when the hp was only 1M at most. But nowdays... modern characters like Acheron or Feixiao can have like 500% or above multiplier because they're expected to face these 2M hp enemies instead of the old 1M ones.
Heeey I use Xueyi too, but ironically 4 cycle was the best she could do, I was hoping she could perform better with Fugu 🐡 Exo-toughness, that's why I'm pulling for Fugu later. Sadly I find it floor 11 is harder, I even felt disgust at myself for clearing the second half by brute forcing it with feixiao, I just hate that Rng boss soo much
@ making the enemy interact with certain type of actions? The robot that blocks his toughness bar, the witch that hits you back if you hit her or the belobog dude that do counters Theres lot of more creative ways to make things difficultier Let me suggest some: Enemies with HUGE toughness bar, enemies that acumulate the damage and give it you back but stronger, enemies that ignores % of shields or enemies like Sam that reduces healing
Right, then explain to me why the community was crying when aventurine moc fight was released? Even in this moc 11 i see so many people complaining about him and whining. It just seems like hypocrisy to me, wanting interesting boss mechanics but when they get it they start crying
Legend says that every time a whale complains about the game being too easy, dawei decends from the heavens to add another 100k onto the enemies HP pool.
Seriously? I had no idea, I cleared it on the reset day. I did few retries on that monkey because of bad rng, but still had no idea they nerf it afterward
basically if you don't have characters that can ignore weakness in some way don't even bother thats what I got from this moc, is kinda crazy how weak my himeko team feels now with how much hp even the random mobs have
Yeah fr. My super break Himeko team took 8 cycles to finish node 2. Overall 9 cycle finish for full star, courtesy of Feixiao doing 1 cycle against Svarog. Those tv monkeys took forever to get all of them at break state because otherwise they'll be hard bricks before getting toughness broken.
Floor 11 and 12 for this MOC are so ABSURDLY difficult for no reason. Even the Super Break teams can barely scratch the Banacademic Advisor. Maybe I should use Acheron team? Honestly out of ideas man 😔 Update: I managed it last night guys! I managed to save a cycle on Svarog with triple hunt DPS and saved a cycle on the Super Break team by focusing the adds and not the boss. Thanks for everyone who gave out the suggestions 🙏
I have both F2P Acheron and Firefly and cleared it with 20 turns left so maybe you can use my strategy. Stage 1 Acheron + SW/Pela + Jiaqiu/Black Swan + Aven/Gepard + Universal Market LC Stage 2 Firefly + Harmony MC + Ruan Mei + Gallagher For phase 1 you just focus on the boss, but phase 2 you gotta break the minions first rather than the boss because once they steal your SP it's fireflyover
Nah, this boss is extremely easy for Rappa. 1. I think all enemies have Imaginary weakness, so Rappa does not need to force her way through. 2. I think the enemies' HP are shared, so an Erudition unit + Super Break is literally a fire combo for this. 3. Rappa practically does not care if SPs are taken away whenever she has her Ultimate activated, unlike Firefly.
:hoolay: "WHY WONT YOU DIE" :my aventurine: "it's all me...buss or maybe I'll take it all🧿👄🧿" Buddy was making my aventurine stronger the more he attacked bro was not breaking my shield.
The first half was made for Feixiao, and the second half was made for Rappa. Thankfully I managed to get both (purely because their animations looked cool). Also equally thankfully, 1 character on each of the teams are F2p friendly, being March 7th and HMC. At least we still get more rewards compared with before, at floor 10.
I used to beat moc12 easily, but now i got to a point that ruan mei is so meta, and not having her is literally preventing me from 3 stars like 2 mocs in a row and pure fiction...
Same, I just dont like her as a character and i refuse to give in to the FOMO but at the same time it sucks that the game is aways punishing me for not having her.
@Truck-kun11 i dont really like her as a character either, but she is to important to skip on her right now, for current break teams and future, she is def a must have and i regret no pulling for her when she came out cause i didnt like her and then i lost the 50/50 on her first re run 😅
MoC 11 is harder than 12. I will die on this hill. I HATE Aventurine with a passion. I legit had to retry so many times on 11 it’s insane. Craziest thing is, I beat 12 in one try, with 4 cycles to spare.
acheron againts him is really good, but the thing is i have e0s0 in one account and e0s1 in other , the 2nd destroed him so fast while strugle in my 1st account, moc 12 is never a perfect match for me but indeed this time it felt easy than moc11
It highly depends on what characters your account has tbh. I beat moc 11 first try because i have the premium fua team, i even just used Ratio against Aventurine and killed him in 1 cycle. But i have like no Break dps so ive been resetting moc 12 at least 5 times now. Still haven't cleared it, but my Serval will carry me for sure eventually 🙌
@@hanoslul3276 I have jiaqui but I did have to go back to floor eleven to use two shielders cause my silver wolf died so I think it's harder but my team finally got the investment it needed to clear
@@hanoslul3276 you gotta know how to play these bosses. If you break Svarog after he summons his hand with an ultimate, it doesn't move until he regains actions. If you hit the Banatv SP bot or Energy TV after they give you energy/sp, it'll give you another energy/sp instead of flipping alignments also, don't use FF second side. HMC's superbreak multipliers increase on this ratio ACCOUNTING FOR ENEMIES ON THE FIELD: 5/4/3/2/1 20/30/40/50/60 so at 5 enemies the superbreak multipler HMC gives is only 120%. Plus theres no vuln mechanics on break. Its much better to use Acheron second side and FF first
For floor 12 use Firefly on the first node and Acheron on the second one, the dinos is obviously designed for Rappa so aoe is pretty much a must Switching my team was the only thing I do and I managed to beat it Although I do have RM,JQ, and Aven but I don't have Lingsha so I used Gallagher
I don't know what it is but floor 11 was much harder for me to 3 star than floor 12. Floor 12 was cleared easily with 3 cycles left with Feixiao and superbreak Himeko and I barely cleared floor 11 on the last cycle left. That's what no matching weaknesses does to a mf.
I'm average, or even below average at this game, but i cleared all MoC with all the stars. Then this one come in and i couldn't do it for level 11 and 12, i thought i got worse or something, thankfully it's the damn game.
I started about 5 months ago, only have firefly as a real dps, lost 50/50 for feixiao, last moc was able to clear 12 with 2*, now it's nuh uh, even f11 is hell, HP inflation is crazy
Yeah, probably this MoC is not for new ones Me with very invested Acheron team (Acheron S1) and Firey team (FF E1 and RuanM E1S1) ended at turn 21, thing that is NOT normal I recomend you to not push yourself to hard on this MOC cause bosses are huge sponge dmg
Floor 12 was a bit annoying because of the robot monkeys but soon I understood it now and cleared it🗿🗿but seriously I was shocked I said HUUUHH I NEED TO DO ACTUAL STRATEGY INSTEAD OF BRUTE FORCING MY WAY.😵🤯
I thought that i was doing something wrong because i was doing no damage, then i learn that they inflated the hp... Yea im not reaching the last star this patch
There is no such thing as "skill issue" in gacha games. It's all just a numbers game. Got shitty relic rolls? Lost your 50/50 and don't have money for more pulls? Congratulations, you're fvcked.
"- We are aware of the problem in which the enemies died, that was caused by the fact that they didn't have enough HP, so to adress this issue we will be increasing the enemy HP multiplier in the next version." "- We're introducing our new boss enemy "Gambamaster Platinum-Card: The issue of a thousand skills" to the MoC rotation, with the unique ability of only taking damage from characters that are on an active limited banner or that are called Firefly, in hopes of creating more engaging and interesting fights for our players." Pay me a drink if the prophecy comes true
It’s just the dice throws that forcibly makes it longer to actually defeat him and characters with only single target damage are screwed 90% of the time in 2nd phase. With Acheron on skill I got triple 1s against his 6 roll, like c’mon. I don’t hate him but it’s a bit annoying
I have E2 Acheron so she still 0 cycles even this bs, but let us say I replace her with E0 Firefly on 2nd half instead. Good dps unit even at said E0 too right? Let us just say that she will be wheelchaired hard by Lingsha carrying the run. If I remove Lingsha from her team and put in Gallagher instead... May mercy be upon us! Not only will I have to pray that my team doesn't get two tapped due to how hard they hit, but dps loss is huge and Firefly goes from 1 cycle all down to 5 on that 2nd half. The difference between full premium vs f2p is more than huge in every single way.
I managed to get both floors 11 and 12 with 20 and 21 cycle left, those where absurdly hard for no reason. I also hate the fact that "to make the game harder" they simply raise the enemies' HP to stars, my poor selee is literally usuless for this modes :c
got my first 0 cycle during 2.5 MoC... now the ones that came right after always takes me around 2-3 cycles to complete, now granted the special effects weren't specifically catered towards units that i run em with, but still... That and the fucking increase in HP is wild.
One of the best teams you can field against side 2 with Acheron is using Welt sustain because everytime he hits them with imprison debuff the enemies turn friendly and buff you. This means you can field a powerful harmony like Sparkle or Bronya so your Acheron should hit over a million damage without a Jiaoqiu.
@AzureDrag0n1 I'll give this a try but won't welts imprison just delay them so they don't even take a turn meaning won't be happy for 1 turn also I don't have sparkle and I haven't build bronya(she's E0),Won't this team you mentioned be sp heavy My current team is E2S1 Acheron,E6S1 Pela (perls), E0 Robin,E0S1 Aventurine (his FUA gives ult stacks to Acheron) My Acheron does around 700 to 800k damage per ult if Robin's ult is up she goes beyond 1million.
1 cycled the first half with Archeron and 2 cycled the 2nd half with Firefly on MoC 12. MoC 11 was so weird, first half took me 2 cycles with JL, but second half too me another three cycles with Firefly. It may have been better to use Yunli in the 2nd half rather than FF.
Use welt against floor 12 banana boss! He is genuinely so useful because you can run no sustain and his ULT can immediately turn them happy. Only reason I cleared floor 12… 🙃
that moc 11 was very unlucky . when i play mono quantum never runed our of skill points for QQ somehow she always get it early but indeed that and moc12 are ridiculous , i never get 3 starts on moc 12 but this time moc 11 was very annyoing too , the thing is i have 1 very strong team but the 2nd is still not even close to it, so i do feel you for not having some characters, very casual player here
Are you 1.0 player? I am able to enjoy using QQ early on and destroying the moc 10 and early moc 12 back then .. even last patch moc 12 hoolay I managed to 6 cycle it .. could be 5 without speed reduction from hoolay
that's insane, that svarog controlled my feixiao and i fking used 5T, bullshxt the point is, after beating 12/F, I figured out that if svarog controlled aventurine or robin, I might need more run. and also, my fking firefly isn't taking that boss down in 3T, I am now farming my hmc's eidolons, e2 is definitely not going to defend the powercreep 21T with all e0s0/1 characters, insane, mhy is now forcing you to keep pulling new characters / pull more eidolons for each characters.
hello if you did read this i hope it will help you. i did clear floor 12 using acheron e0s1,sparkel e1s1(u dont need her s1 just get better build im lazy),silvor wolf e0s0(event lightcone) ,galagar e6 light cone (the one that give energy to a random ally), first half second floor,himeko crit build normal one e1 s1,harmony mc e6(the 4 start light cone that gives break effect on s3),ruan mei e0 s1 (u can replace her with something like robin if you do have her),lingsha e0 s1(lingsha is acually ur main carry not himeko. himeko there just for her element and passive). i did clear it while having 3 cycles to work with too and since you dont have ruan mei u can just take advantage of these 3 cycles. hopefully u do it i ll write my characters stats in replays
acheron:3391atk/68.6crrate/169.6crdmg/139spd.couldnt get 69 on crrate :( sparkle:161spd/223crdmg/30 effres for broken keel. silver wolf:161spd/109effhit/40breakeff. gallager:161spd/69.6breakeff/34.5outgoingheal/46.6effres ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- himeko:2551atk/65.4crrate/121.2crdmg/121spd/brealeff from her team. harmmc:1418atk/154spd/243.4breakeff. ruan mei:175spd(soo high i know u dont need it i do it for speed toning)/165 breakeff. lingsha:2351atk/143spd/175.5breakeff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- that is all you need good luck
I'm not looking forward to that. So far I've just run auto up to stage 10 but howley took out 1 off my team so I have to manual that. As for 11 and 12 it looks painful. Trying to decide with upcoming banners Sunday or fugue is tough
Ong, I did well all the way till MoC11, no retry within 20 turns. But then MoC12 comes up. I clear Svarog, ez fool, but then the bananacademic robots shit it all over! Took me 10 retries just to get lucky and 3 star it.
Kafka isnt good for Acheron without Black Swan or Guinaifen, who enable Kafka to build Acheron stacks with her skill. The aurumaton builds stacks from hitting it with skill and ultimate, so if you only use two skills before its first turn, or break it before it moves, then its first turn summons fish and as long as Fu is fast enough (mine is 143 speed) she can block the first two cc's. A well built dotcheron team should clear the first wave before the aurumaton goes a fourth time time. I got the same cycles for side one with both Guinaifen and Black Swan in the third slot, Gui was the end of the cycle while Swan was the very beginning.
When looking at the bug I thought that I would either have to use Jingliu even though her new build isn't ready or take again my Mono Quantum despite being sure they aren't strong enough before remembering that Firefly doesn't care about weaknesses
bruh i cant even clear floor 10 when i could always get at least two starts on 12 before. i got acheron, feixiao, sparkle and fu xuan and theyre struggling HARD to do enough dmg (no rm, robin or aven sadly, lost my 50/50 on aven yesterday so im going to be cooked for a looong time)
too many people ignore speed, every sustain and harmony char wants 160+ speed to do what they do best, dps want a certain speed depending on who they are and how they work like for example a firefly wants 160+ while someone like seele need 128 max to get 6 stacks from her lightcone with the first skill because her passive grants her 25% speed from a skill and 25% of 128 is 32 which gets her to 160 speed in fight. then there is acheron who either wants speed boots when below e2 or atk boots when atleast e2 because from e2 and up she wants sparkle who forwards her with maximum dmg output from the atk boots, for the other dps just figure out how they work and how much they need because if you don't plan on working on your speed like that then just ignore MoC, PF and AS because it's definitely not for you. to everyone else, keep the grind up you will get there and clear those mfs.
My account is aoeless Sunday will make my JY great again the next patch, and I’ll get Himeko from the selector, but other than that…. 2* both floors 11 and 12 for now
Honestly floor 11 was infinitely more annoying than floor 12. The only teams that can "easily" clear content consistently for most people are superbreak and FART. The issue with floor 11 is that both bosses are a bad match up for superbreak, so you are kind of left using units that "fell off" for either Swarm or Aventurine. It's cringe to incentivize a meta, give an MOC buff for it, then make the fights actively counter that lol. Certainly not impossible, just very annoying.
@@spice2688 I was gonna skip him to save for Firefly but decided to send a couple low pity 10 pulls just to see if I'd get lucky. I did. And then I got his lightcone on another 10 pull. I didn't choose the booty, the booty chose me.
unironically floor 11 was way more difficult for me, I managed to full clear floor 12 first attempt (largely due to E2 DHIL being insane against the tvs) but man, floor 11 SUCKED
Honestly, I can't even beat Hoolay on floor 10. He keeps killing my Acheron before the 2nd phase, and even then, my Acheron does barely anything to him even tho she's hitting 230k ults on him. I really should've pulled Feixiao. I could try to use Firefly, but she's kinda cooked without Trailblazer who I'm using for Rappa (I don't like Ruan Mei, so I never pulled her)
Preach, i pulled Firefly because i think SAM is cool but i dont like Ruam Mei and i NEVER gonna pull her (Really hope she gets the Sparkle treatment and is powercrept by Ruam Mei 2.0)
@Truck-kun11 salty ahh comment to bad ruan mei isn't ever gonna be replaced she's to versatile buddy pulled firefly but not ruan mei bros firefly is half baked fr 🫵🤡
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The crazies part is learning that floor 12 was actually nerfed on its reset because in original plan pre-reset, floor 12 enemies had even more HP inflation than now. What in the hell HSR devs?
I've been spamming their customer support about this. I don't trust them to even bother to read the feedback they receive if I do not force a response from them.
Svarog originally had 2.07m health, but was reduced to 1.6m health.
@@takodachich.515 At this point I won't be surprised if by 3.0 alone we see 3 million HP. Inflation spikes since 2.0 are just getting crazy.
Players: Too easy! Hahahaha!!! Devs are so dumb, that they can't make stronger enemies on MoC!
Devs: And we took that personally.
Players now: Ayo!!! WTF devs?!!! Are ye out of your own minds!!!
Karma at it's finest XD
They forcing us to spend money so we get characters constellation
Floor 12 is unreachable for me
Same here 😅
Break Sampo with RM and HMC!
Or Sampo E4 with Black Swan
I got 2 stars on both floor 11 & 12, good enough for me 😅
Savior it for me
Can clear floor 12 with full stars but floor 11 only with 2 stars…
it does get demoralising trying to use my really well built xueyi in floor 11 only to realise 'ah nvm this is mathematically impossible without support eidolons' and having to just swap back to the same old firefly/boothill/fua teams. Star rail really does have a problem of older kits just fundamentally having awful multipliers compared to new ones - instead of getting powercrept by unique gimmicks they just intrinsically cannot do more than 1/4 of the damage that others can.
like just LOOKING at the damage multipliers blade has and comparing them to feixiao now is actually absurd, i just want to reach that paradise man
It's really absurd how older dps characters can't keep up not just because of their outdated multipliers, but also because enemy HP keeps getting higher than before. Back then a 200% multiplier was considered big for it's time, especially when the hp was only 1M at most. But nowdays... modern characters like Acheron or Feixiao can have like 500% or above multiplier because they're expected to face these 2M hp enemies instead of the old 1M ones.
It's the powercreep - get new chars or get out, Hoyo needs money
very sad
I mean I used my shit built Xueyi and got 6 cycles, so you can use her
Heeey I use Xueyi too, but ironically 4 cycle was the best she could do, I was hoping she could perform better with Fugu 🐡 Exo-toughness, that's why I'm pulling for Fugu later.
Sadly I find it floor 11 is harder, I even felt disgust at myself for clearing the second half by brute forcing it with feixiao, I just hate that Rng boss soo much
Huh, I just used selee with ting Yung and sparkle on that floor, 4 cycle. It wasn't that bad tbh.
Add difficult mechanics: 🚫
Inflate bosses HP: 👌
That's what most gacha games do
How do you would increase difficulty in a RPG turn based game?
@ making the enemy interact with certain type of actions?
The robot that blocks his toughness bar, the witch that hits you back if you hit her or the belobog dude that do counters
Theres lot of more creative ways to make things difficultier
Let me suggest some:
Enemies with HUGE toughness bar, enemies that acumulate the damage and give it you back but stronger, enemies that ignores % of shields or enemies like Sam that reduces healing
@@colddu Yeah, totally agreed. This shit about HP sponges is a lazy way to increase the difficulty
Right, then explain to me why the community was crying when aventurine moc fight was released? Even in this moc 11 i see so many people complaining about him and whining. It just seems like hypocrisy to me, wanting interesting boss mechanics but when they get it they start crying
Stand proud QingQue, you're strong.
You were strong*😭😭😔
Well, closed 11-1 in 2 cycles with her. My gamba gremlin still strong
Legend says that every time a whale complains about the game being too easy, dawei decends from the heavens to add another 100k onto the enemies HP pool.
Remember when people defended the game and said that powercreep didn't exist? Good times
Bro, you have no idea they nerfed the shti of floor 12's Mob HP. It was 25% more before monday LMAO.
Yikes if that's is the case then I probably 9 or 10 cycle it .. with nerf I 8 cycle it
I 15 cycled 🥴🥴🥴
ong? i immediately max starred it on reset, i could've waited for an easier time if so -_-
Seriously? I had no idea, I cleared it on the reset day. I did few retries on that monkey because of bad rng, but still had no idea they nerf it afterward
@@ArvySan some people r saying it was the pre launch version, meaning that it could've been worse than what we got rn
basically if you don't have characters that can ignore weakness in some way don't even bother thats what I got from this moc, is kinda crazy how weak my himeko team feels now with how much hp even the random mobs have
Yeah fr. My super break Himeko team took 8 cycles to finish node 2. Overall 9 cycle finish for full star, courtesy of Feixiao doing 1 cycle against Svarog. Those tv monkeys took forever to get all of them at break state because otherwise they'll be hard bricks before getting toughness broken.
The fact that this is AFTER they nerfed it too.
This got nerfed??
What do you mean it was nerfed????
@@delta3532yes 1 day before release
@@flippedmasterguardian they nerfed the enemies HP
Both bosses had around 2 million more hp
Floor 11 and 12 for this MOC are so ABSURDLY difficult for no reason.
Even the Super Break teams can barely scratch the Banacademic Advisor.
Maybe I should use Acheron team? Honestly out of ideas man 😔
Update: I managed it last night guys! I managed to save a cycle on Svarog with triple hunt DPS and saved a cycle on the Super Break team by focusing the adds and not the boss. Thanks for everyone who gave out the suggestions 🙏
I have both F2P Acheron and Firefly and cleared it with 20 turns left so maybe you can use my strategy.
Stage 1
Acheron + SW/Pela + Jiaqiu/Black Swan + Aven/Gepard + Universal Market LC
Stage 2
Firefly + Harmony MC + Ruan Mei + Gallagher
For phase 1 you just focus on the boss, but phase 2 you gotta break the minions first rather than the boss because once they steal your SP it's fireflyover
I used Dotcheron team 1 and Fua Team 2. Won with exactly 20 turns left. So hopefully you can do it.
Nah, this boss is extremely easy for Rappa.
1. I think all enemies have Imaginary weakness, so Rappa does not need to force her way through.
2. I think the enemies' HP are shared, so an Erudition unit + Super Break is literally a fire combo for this.
3. Rappa practically does not care if SPs are taken away whenever she has her Ultimate activated, unlike Firefly.
its because the devs increase all moc enemies hp by a lot a lot , even strongest dps does scracthes to the enemies
I had to run dual dps with firefly and Rappa and hope to god that I didn’t die to dot from the first wave
Gamers it might be Qingquover
That wolf in the stage 10 is so strong, what his doing is no longer a follow up attack hahaha instead a full blown rapid turn.
hoolay really went "hsr is a turn based game based on ME"
:hoolay: "WHY WONT YOU DIE"
:my aventurine: "it's all me...buss or maybe I'll take it all🧿👄🧿"
Buddy was making my aventurine stronger the more he attacked bro was not breaking my shield.
Nah, he is weak against clara or yunli.
@@bayknight03 yeah I know just can't imagine how the hell I'll 3 star that if one of my characters kept on d*ing to him hahaha (topaz)
@@bayknight03 i have E3 clara, E1 fuxuan, lingsha, and topaz
Don’t forget that floor 10 has Hoolay on second node
Huehuhue, boothil haver here, easy work for this moc these bloated hp means physical break just goes through the roof
Hp inflation is just ridiculous at this point
The first half was made for Feixiao, and the second half was made for Rappa. Thankfully I managed to get both (purely because their animations looked cool). Also equally thankfully, 1 character on each of the teams are F2p friendly, being March 7th and HMC. At least we still get more rewards compared with before, at floor 10.
Agree, only have Feixiao team so first half Feixiao 0 cycled it and 2nd half Hoolay 0 cycled my Himeko
Oh, I always thought it was for DoT team (it took 4 or 5 cicles there, but it worked), hahaha
DoT actually works for both side 1 and 2, you can do it in 2-5c I think. But DoT team is quite expensive tho, requiring 3-4 premium characters
I feel like everyone forgot Yunli exists…
Watching Haha trying brute force with mono quantum, is like a watching a baby stuck on fitting the shape puzzle
Gotta stay loyal to the gremlins
KEEP THE GAMBLING AGENDA ALIVE BROTHER RAHHHH 🀄️🀄️🀄️🀄️
I used to beat moc12 easily, but now i got to a point that ruan mei is so meta, and not having her is literally preventing me from 3 stars like 2 mocs in a row and pure fiction...
Same, I just dont like her as a character and i refuse to give in to the FOMO but at the same time it sucks that the game is aways punishing me for not having her.
@Truck-kun11 i dont really like her as a character either, but she is to important to skip on her right now, for current break teams and future, she is def a must have and i regret no pulling for her when she came out cause i didnt like her and then i lost the 50/50 on her first re run 😅
Me chilling with my fully built acheron, dot, and break teams
MoC 11 is harder than 12. I will die on this hill. I HATE Aventurine with a passion. I legit had to retry so many times on 11 it’s insane. Craziest thing is, I beat 12 in one try, with 4 cycles to spare.
acheron againts him is really good, but the thing is i have e0s0 in one account and e0s1 in other , the 2nd destroed him so fast while strugle in my 1st account, moc 12 is never a perfect match for me but indeed this time it felt easy than moc11
:my acheron and aventurine: "🧿👄🧿 haha keep trying"
@@fufu-jh same issue, im trying so hard to get her book but alas…maybe next rerun
yeah, can only cheese if you have boothill where it just makes aventurine crippled coughing baby
It highly depends on what characters your account has tbh. I beat moc 11 first try because i have the premium fua team, i even just used Ratio against Aventurine and killed him in 1 cycle.
But i have like no Break dps so ive been resetting moc 12 at least 5 times now. Still haven't cleared it, but my Serval will carry me for sure eventually 🙌
nah I feel you deadass could only get 2 stars for both floor 11 and 12 I got my socks blown off by these bosses man
Really they were low-key easy for me but then again I'm a firefly main and just got acheron
@@Nosiop09 I have both Acheron and firefly but I'm either getting rocked due to a skill issue or bad luck probably skill issue
@@hanoslul3276 I have jiaqui but I did have to go back to floor eleven to use two shielders cause my silver wolf died so I think it's harder but my team finally got the investment it needed to clear
@@hanoslul3276 you gotta know how to play these bosses. If you break Svarog after he summons his hand with an ultimate, it doesn't move until he regains actions. If you hit the Banatv SP bot or Energy TV after they give you energy/sp, it'll give you another energy/sp instead of flipping alignments
also, don't use FF second side. HMC's superbreak multipliers increase on this ratio
ACCOUNTING FOR ENEMIES ON THE FIELD:
5/4/3/2/1
20/30/40/50/60
so at 5 enemies the superbreak multipler HMC gives is only 120%. Plus theres no vuln mechanics on break. Its much better to use Acheron second side and FF first
For floor 12 use Firefly on the first node and Acheron on the second one, the dinos is obviously designed for Rappa so aoe is pretty much a must
Switching my team was the only thing I do and I managed to beat it
Although I do have RM,JQ, and Aven but I don't have Lingsha so I used Gallagher
Ever since I got the goat aventurine Honestly I forgot that you could die in this game.
Fu Xuan could never 🫵😆
Ruanmeiless behavior
I don't know what it is but floor 11 was much harder for me to 3 star than floor 12. Floor 12 was cleared easily with 3 cycles left with Feixiao and superbreak Himeko and I barely cleared floor 11 on the last cycle left. That's what no matching weaknesses does to a mf.
Exactly.
Took me 20 cycles total in MoC11 and 7 cycles in MoC12
I cleared it, stage 11 was harder for me, I had to fight that disgusting RNG Aventurine, and had to brute force it with Feixiao
This new MOC are testament before another HP inflation in Fugue banner. It will be hellfire 💀💀💀💀
Floor 11 is harder than 12.
All according to keikaku 🗿
just have aventurine smh
I'm average, or even below average at this game, but i cleared all MoC with all the stars.
Then this one come in and i couldn't do it for level 11 and 12, i thought i got worse or something, thankfully it's the damn game.
I started about 5 months ago, only have firefly as a real dps, lost 50/50 for feixiao, last moc was able to clear 12 with 2*, now it's nuh uh, even f11 is hell, HP inflation is crazy
Yeah, probably this MoC is not for new ones
Me with very invested Acheron team (Acheron S1) and Firey team (FF E1 and RuanM E1S1) ended at turn 21, thing that is NOT normal
I recomend you to not push yourself to hard on this MOC cause bosses are huge sponge dmg
Floor 12 was a bit annoying because of the robot monkeys but soon I understood it now and cleared it🗿🗿but seriously I was shocked I said HUUUHH I NEED TO DO ACTUAL STRATEGY INSTEAD OF BRUTE FORCING MY WAY.😵🤯
I thought that i was doing something wrong because i was doing no damage, then i learn that they inflated the hp... Yea im not reaching the last star this patch
mono quantum in the big 24 😭💀
Just subscribed👍🏻 I like how you so true to yourself about your fav team. Keep going bro ✌🏻🎉
I can feel your pain 😔
@1:28 to be fair, it is a skill issue if you have to pull Feixiao E1, Rappa, and E1 "Ryan Mei" to feel like you're good at the game
There is no such thing as "skill issue" in gacha games. It's all just a numbers game. Got shitty relic rolls? Lost your 50/50 and don't have money for more pulls? Congratulations, you're fvcked.
This moc is scary as fuck because we had two jumpscurs one is hoolay and the second is Aventine
"- We are aware of the problem in which the enemies died, that was caused by the fact that they didn't have enough HP, so to adress this issue we will be increasing the enemy HP multiplier in the next version."
"- We're introducing our new boss enemy "Gambamaster Platinum-Card: The issue of a thousand skills" to the MoC rotation, with the unique ability of only taking damage from characters that are on an active limited banner or that are called Firefly, in hopes of creating more engaging and interesting fights for our players."
Pay me a drink if the prophecy comes true
The Zesturine hate is crazy but understandable
It’s just the dice throws that forcibly makes it longer to actually defeat him and characters with only single target damage are screwed 90% of the time in 2nd phase. With Acheron on skill I got triple 1s against his 6 roll, like c’mon. I don’t hate him but it’s a bit annoying
my acheron used to wipe 80% on moc12 hp single target, now she cant even reach 50% per ult on bananadvisor 5t
Meanwhile my acheron creaming the whole thing in under 4 cycles. 🧿👄🧿
I have E2 Acheron so she still 0 cycles even this bs, but let us say I replace her with E0 Firefly on 2nd half instead. Good dps unit even at said E0 too right? Let us just say that she will be wheelchaired hard by Lingsha carrying the run. If I remove Lingsha from her team and put in Gallagher instead... May mercy be upon us! Not only will I have to pray that my team doesn't get two tapped due to how hard they hit, but dps loss is huge and Firefly goes from 1 cycle all down to 5 on that 2nd half. The difference between full premium vs f2p is more than huge in every single way.
I managed to get both floors 11 and 12 with 20 and 21 cycle left, those where absurdly hard for no reason.
I also hate the fact that "to make the game harder" they simply raise the enemies' HP to stars, my poor selee is literally usuless for this modes :c
When higher level (moc 12) is easier than lower level (moc 11) you know you f**ked up.
So frickin relatable ESPECIALLY THE 20 CYCLES ON FLOOOR 11
At this point ,they're doing it so the whales can have 'fun'
I gave up on trying to get 3 stars when the game became a "Have Ruam Mei & Robin or get screwed" simulator.
got my first 0 cycle during 2.5 MoC... now the ones that came right after always takes me around 2-3 cycles to complete, now granted the special effects weren't specifically catered towards units that i run em with, but still... That and the fucking increase in HP is wild.
They kept making these resets character specific to the point of not all f2ps can perfectly start these due to them lacking the necessary characters
MOC be like: Let's buff these stupid monsters with 69 trillion HP 420 billion ATK to one-shot your whole team with some stupid AoE attacks lmao.
:my aventurine: "buss or maybe I'll take it all 😃🧍♂️"
I kid you not had I not had E2S1 Acheron I would have been unable to clear this MOC12 (I don't have Jiaoqiu)
One of the best teams you can field against side 2 with Acheron is using Welt sustain because everytime he hits them with imprison debuff the enemies turn friendly and buff you. This means you can field a powerful harmony like Sparkle or Bronya so your Acheron should hit over a million damage without a Jiaoqiu.
@AzureDrag0n1 I'll give this a try but won't welts imprison just delay them so they don't even take a turn meaning won't be happy for 1 turn also I don't have sparkle and I haven't build bronya(she's E0),Won't this team you mentioned be sp heavy
My current team is E2S1 Acheron,E6S1 Pela (perls), E0 Robin,E0S1 Aventurine (his FUA gives ult stacks to Acheron)
My Acheron does around 700 to 800k damage per ult if Robin's ult is up she goes beyond 1million.
I was somehow able to do it in one try with my piss poor FF break and Acheron team. Idk how but I’m up ig.
Firefly lend me your strength this is moc 11 🙏
man
Mihoyo revenge for almost everyone skipping Rapppa
I’ve just accepted that I probably won’t try to keep up with honkai star rail endgame, I pulled “for fun” characters too much.
I just beat with Qingque and Firefly, but it definitely felt worse. If they keep inflating hp at this rate, rip my gamba queen.
nothing can stop Clara
1 cycled the first half with Archeron and 2 cycled the 2nd half with Firefly on MoC 12. MoC 11 was so weird, first half took me 2 cycles with JL, but second half too me another three cycles with Firefly. It may have been better to use Yunli in the 2nd half rather than FF.
Use welt against floor 12 banana boss! He is genuinely so useful because you can run no sustain and his ULT can immediately turn them happy. Only reason I cleared floor 12… 🙃
You can brute force each floor with Firefly. No Qq shenanigans needed.
but you see, wheres the fun in that, why use mecha when you can GAMBA
(i say as a firefly user lol)
@@curryfishheadenjoyerat least I 6 cycle with QQ on hoolay last patch.. it was good till it lasted
They don’t have Ruan Mei. Firefly is not brute forcing as easily without Ruan Mei
Shes not good vs banan tvs purely because of how HMC superbreak scales based on enemies on field.
that moc 11 was very unlucky . when i play mono quantum never runed our of skill points for QQ somehow she always get it early but indeed that and moc12 are ridiculous , i never get 3 starts on moc 12 but this time moc 11 was very annyoing too , the thing is i have 1 very strong team but the 2nd is still not even close to it, so i do feel you for not having some characters, very casual player here
Are you 1.0 player? I am able to enjoy using QQ early on and destroying the moc 10 and early moc 12 back then .. even last patch moc 12 hoolay I managed to 6 cycle it .. could be 5 without speed reduction from hoolay
that's insane, that svarog controlled my feixiao and i fking used 5T, bullshxt
the point is, after beating 12/F, I figured out that if svarog controlled aventurine or robin, I might need more run.
and also, my fking firefly isn't taking that boss down in 3T, I am now farming my hmc's eidolons, e2 is definitely not going to defend the powercreep
21T with all e0s0/1 characters, insane, mhy is now forcing you to keep pulling new characters / pull more eidolons for each characters.
hello if you did read this i hope it will help you.
i did clear floor 12 using acheron e0s1,sparkel e1s1(u dont need her s1 just get better build im lazy),silvor wolf e0s0(event lightcone) ,galagar e6 light cone (the one that give energy to a random ally), first half
second floor,himeko crit build normal one e1 s1,harmony mc e6(the 4 start light cone that gives break effect on s3),ruan mei e0 s1 (u can replace her with something like robin if you do have her),lingsha e0 s1(lingsha is acually ur main carry not himeko. himeko there just for her element and passive).
i did clear it while having 3 cycles to work with too and since you dont have ruan mei u can just take advantage of these 3 cycles.
hopefully u do it
i ll write my characters stats in replays
acheron:3391atk/68.6crrate/169.6crdmg/139spd.couldnt get 69 on crrate :(
sparkle:161spd/223crdmg/30 effres for broken keel.
silver wolf:161spd/109effhit/40breakeff.
gallager:161spd/69.6breakeff/34.5outgoingheal/46.6effres
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himeko:2551atk/65.4crrate/121.2crdmg/121spd/brealeff from her team.
harmmc:1418atk/154spd/243.4breakeff.
ruan mei:175spd(soo high i know u dont need it i do it for speed toning)/165 breakeff.
lingsha:2351atk/143spd/175.5breakeff.
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that is all you need good luck
I'm not looking forward to that. So far I've just run auto up to stage 10 but howley took out 1 off my team so I have to manual that. As for 11 and 12 it looks painful. Trying to decide with upcoming banners Sunday or fugue is tough
Mfs when they say "eidolons and signature LCs are optional"
Ong, I did well all the way till MoC11, no retry within 20 turns. But then MoC12 comes up. I clear Svarog, ez fool, but then the bananacademic robots shit it all over! Took me 10 retries just to get lucky and 3 star it.
Kafka isnt good for Acheron without Black Swan or Guinaifen, who enable Kafka to build Acheron stacks with her skill. The aurumaton builds stacks from hitting it with skill and ultimate, so if you only use two skills before its first turn, or break it before it moves, then its first turn summons fish and as long as Fu is fast enough (mine is 143 speed) she can block the first two cc's. A well built dotcheron team should clear the first wave before the aurumaton goes a fourth time time. I got the same cycles for side one with both Guinaifen and Black Swan in the third slot, Gui was the end of the cycle while Swan was the very beginning.
after u is qingque’s ult, she immediately gains her skill
I just remembered QQ. Gotta retry for negative cycle.
I didn’t even try floor 11😭
I used jade jingliu for 11, realized my jade did more dmg than jl and swapped her out for herta.
Barely 20 cycles for 11 and 12...
When looking at the bug I thought that I would either have to use Jingliu even though her new build isn't ready or take again my Mono Quantum despite being sure they aren't strong enough before remembering that Firefly doesn't care about weaknesses
@@KujouSara12If you don't have any other option, just use Acheron for the bug. Ironically, the small bugs it spawned are perfect for Acheron.
@@orekisan6534 yeah I know, that's why I always let Acheron take care of Ruan Mei's bug but I already beat it with Firefly since yesterday
bruh i cant even clear floor 10 when i could always get at least two starts on 12 before. i got acheron, feixiao, sparkle and fu xuan and theyre struggling HARD to do enough dmg (no rm, robin or aven sadly, lost my 50/50 on aven yesterday so im going to be cooked for a looong time)
I'll wait for 2.7 so I can try Sunday out haha... dont wanna suffer now cuz AS Sunday boss already did that
No wind, no lightning DPS + no babysitters xD. I'll try again after getting the fungus.
Mono quantum situation is crazy
This has to be the most relatable shit today
MOC 12 took me 7 cycles with feixiao + aven team and full break firefly + lingsha lol
Moc 12 took me 2 attemps moc 11 was 1. Only eidolons i have is e2 acheron.
This MOC was quite hard, especially floor 11 for me
too many people ignore speed, every sustain and harmony char wants 160+ speed to do what they do best, dps want a certain speed depending on who they are and how they work like for example a firefly wants 160+ while someone like seele need 128 max to get 6 stacks from her lightcone with the first skill because her passive grants her 25% speed from a skill and 25% of 128 is 32 which gets her to 160 speed in fight. then there is acheron who either wants speed boots when below e2 or atk boots when atleast e2 because from e2 and up she wants sparkle who forwards her with maximum dmg output from the atk boots, for the other dps just figure out how they work and how much they need because if you don't plan on working on your speed like that then just ignore MoC, PF and AS because it's definitely not for you. to everyone else, keep the grind up you will get there and clear those mfs.
The problem is that SPEED is 100% dependent in Relic RNG, its not something you can just tune to your liking
My account is aoeless
Sunday will make my JY great again the next patch, and I’ll get Himeko from the selector, but other than that….
2* both floors 11 and 12 for now
Current moc is so hard i brute forced it cleared 10 -12 all in 10 cycles each
You don't actually need silver wolf if all the enemies have quantum weakness, I 3 cycled 11-1 after replacing Silver Wolf with Ruan Mei
Honestly floor 11 was infinitely more annoying than floor 12. The only teams that can "easily" clear content consistently for most people are superbreak and FART. The issue with floor 11 is that both bosses are a bad match up for superbreak, so you are kind of left using units that "fell off" for either Swarm or Aventurine. It's cringe to incentivize a meta, give an MOC buff for it, then make the fights actively counter that lol. Certainly not impossible, just very annoying.
I honestly didn't realize people were having trouble with Aventurine because he absolutely collapses to Boothill. Makes floor 11 a cakewalk.
@christopher6600 bootycheeks really is the goat, to this day I hate that I had to skip him
@@spice2688 I was gonna skip him to save for Firefly but decided to send a couple low pity 10 pulls just to see if I'd get lucky. I did. And then I got his lightcone on another 10 pull. I didn't choose the booty, the booty chose me.
unironically floor 11 was way more difficult for me, I managed to full clear floor 12 first attempt (largely due to E2 DHIL being insane against the tvs) but man, floor 11 SUCKED
Stuck on floor 11. Am using feixiao fua and boothill break
Brother pulled for both Lingsha and Firefly but not Ruan Mei 💀💀
i am yet to finish an moc entirely XD
Honestly, I can't even beat Hoolay on floor 10. He keeps killing my Acheron before the 2nd phase, and even then, my Acheron does barely anything to him even tho she's hitting 230k ults on him. I really should've pulled Feixiao. I could try to use Firefly, but she's kinda cooked without Trailblazer who I'm using for Rappa (I don't like Ruan Mei, so I never pulled her)
How is your acheron only hitting 230k ults? Whats your teammates and crit ratio since it should be a lot higher?
:my aventurine: "buss or maybe I'll take it all. 🧍♂️🧍♂️"
@@w3t_wlpes probably e0s0 no jiaoqiu. Hoolay's a ST lightning resistant boss so its understandable
Preach, i pulled Firefly because i think SAM is cool but i dont like Ruam Mei and i NEVER gonna pull her (Really hope she gets the Sparkle treatment and is powercrept by Ruam Mei 2.0)
@Truck-kun11 salty ahh comment to bad ruan mei isn't ever gonna be replaced she's to versatile buddy pulled firefly but not ruan mei bros firefly is half baked fr 🫵🤡
If i can't get sunday im getting firefly
I have auto team on stage 12.
Stage 11?? That shit is way way harder for me
floor 11 was built different fr
I just assume 33 means 36 in inflationiadian
I managed to beat floor 12 with three stars, but floor 11 still only has two
Why’d you pixelate Aventurine, bro, how much do you not like him?
he's a waifutard that's why
I auto battled first half moc 12 with blade and it took me 8 cycles 😢
Why is bro censoring Aventurine? 💀
Even if I did it, 11 and 12 were mad this time round sheesh.