Even some people complain, for me is one of the best interpretation, with expected emotions, thrilling silent phases, detained chords, single tone beauty ...
My grandmother taught piano, so I had free lessons for years. No talent, but the first Pathetique movement was my final recital piece at her annual recital in 10th grade. I’ve picked up piano as a late-30s adult & muscle memory is so helpful! My vision is awful & was part of why I quit ages ago (I kept losing my place w/the sheet music.) I made many errors at that last recital, age 16 & felt guilty as her relative. Now, I practice via 80-something-key-keyboard WITH HEADPHONES to spare others & embarrass myself less. So affordable plus no tuning! And those headphones, among other things. With my gramma passed, I love reviving the Pathetique 1st movement with a solid foundation & muscle memory. I love the 2nd mvt, but the first & more dramatic/challenging is way easier for me! ❤ it
Zimerman needs to record his repertoire before it's too late. He hates the studio, but it is going to be a shame not to have more recordings than what we have at this moment.
Oh yes, the world needs his recordings - and the first thing to record should be the Chopin sonatas. There's no better way possible to play the Pathetique in my opinion.
I totally agree with you We want to have more records of this stunning Polish pianist that in my humble opinion is among the more important piano soloist of our time
He plays those first 4 notes of the 3rd movement with such weight... So beautiful! He does the same all throughout the 3rd movement and it excites me every time
So cool that someone else noticed this. Literally my favorite thing he does in the whole Sonata. I’ve tried to replicate it in my own playing and it’s surprisingly difficult to get the same affect.
@@davidofpiano423 I know right! That's what Zimerman does though, every piece that he plays, he touches just a little differently but it somehow makes it a whole another story. In this particular one he brings out the passion part of it i think, and yes I also tried and it is more difficult to capture. Sounds like a heavy staccato
Bravo Herr Zimmerman! Your playing is absolutely brilliant, and full of emotion. I could not imagine anyone performing this piece more beautifully...Peace!
If you are reading this, please always go to Zimerman to understand how to play a piece by Beethoven. Most have absolutely no idea how to play his work. the trick is to clearly articulate that retained motif throughout the entire piece. without it, a large amount is lost.
And for so many years I have been wondering where did these amazing notes came from - now I know ! Zimmerman is also great of course - thanks for the video . . .
I'm thrilled to have found this. This rendition just cannot be compared to Horowitz's or Barenboim's performances of this very piece. The ending of the adagio brought me down to tears. His respect to pauses, to what's actually written is remarkable. I'm starting to learn this by myself and this is a very desirable benchmark
I was listening to this and had to do a double take, WHAT ON EARTH... I noted the comments on You Tube about this being a long standing point, first time I face it, and can't get it for all my gynormous respect to everything positive Zimmerman has done to shake up interpretations of the classics. The Grave is but another typical (if anything by Beethoven can be typical) example of a Beethoven introduction which in his work serves as just that.
Best Patétique I ever heard! :D I remember back in the 1980s there was a radio program (on SWF 2) where there were all 32 Beethoven piano sonatas presented (first introduced and then played by several pianists - one sonata by one pianist)! If I wasn't wrong the Patétique was played by Artur Rubinstein (whom I admired with this sonata). IMHO Krystian Zimerman is even better here! I like to recommend two recordings here on UA-cam by Krystian Zimerman: Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 9, K.311: and Gershwin: 3 Préludes (given as an encore to the same recital as the "Pathétique").
Don't like to make comparisons because there are so many pianists who play this sonata beautifully. However, I really enjoyed listening to this performance. Zimmerman brings out the spirit of Beethoven in this sonata with its powerful emotions in the 1st movement and the contrasting more tender emotions in the second Movement. Zimmerman plays many composers excellent. I have not heard him play baroque repertoire.
Bravo to a brilliant piano player! But the true mastermind to write the work of genius, Beethoven! Long live one of, if not the greatest composers of all time!
Zimerman , siempre toca magistralmente , yo creo que ha tocado la mayor parte de la obra de Beethoven para piano , Sonatas , los 5 Conciertos ,se los he escuchado , los de Brahms , Tchaikovsky , etc .por decir algo .Tiene una memoria prodigiosa , e interpreta magistralmente todas las obras de los Grandes Clásicos.Me encanta , lo disfruto y Admiro mucho su técnica .Pareciera que acaricia el teclado y que nada es difícil .Como un pez en el agua . Maravilloso Maestro ....Saludos desde México .Y Gracias ♥️ por subirlo .No lo conocía , pero desde hace un mes , no me pierdo todas las noches deleitarme escuchándolo . BRAVO MAESTRO 🙏🎹🎼🎵🎶👏👏👏👏👏💐💐💐💐💐💐
Masterly interpretation of a great work. One thinks of Krystian Zimerman as being a Chopin expert (which he is) but he's almost equally good with Beethoven. Some (mainly younger) pianists play quickly for the sake of speed, but although Zimerman's tempi (in the 1st and 3rd movts) are almost as fast the performance has much more of a musical message.
8:18-8:24 hell yea what a perfect phrasing, barenboim's lvl. The timing is very difficult, specially when it comes to fitting the comeback, very captious I always check this part in other pianists versions and compare to barenboim's (one of the best interpretations of this sonata no doubt).
I am working on that third movement... doubt I will get it more than 3/4 his speed, and am trying to bring back the first two movements so I can play them all at once on a nice Steinway here in town someday. It is a good goal. In another life, I would love to have the ability to perform and bring joy to many. Right now piano and especially this composition is magic for my soul.
My sentiments exactly. My goal is to learn this piece one day to the best of my ability. I've learned so much from being a pianist. I feel as the older I get the more therapeutic it is for me. I may not become the concert pianist I've dreamed to be, but I truly love and enjoy playing piano and I enjoy performing for others. Music is inspiring both for the the performer as well as the audience,I've also learned.
You don't have to go as fast in the last movement as he does. If you ask me most pianists take that finale too fast. It is not as fast as the first movement.
Not true! I'm a tiler (not even a qualified one..lol) and here I say this is a moving and beautiful piece of music. I like it ... alot! I love Beethoven. Wish I could meet him and say thanks for the music. I appreciate every note.
Rye kaz I consider Beethovens' to be a "style" in itself rather than of a classical or romantic era. He speaks through the music in a provocative manner as to be unique and I doubt the maestro would appreciate being compared. He wrote and re-wrote till he was happy it would convey his story without being boring nor sounding familiar. That is why I find him more interesting than Mozart. I don't really find classical music entertaining (as a tiler ..lols) but I become almost hypnotized when a piece of Beethoven is played. Enjoy!
My 3 absolute favorites are Zimerman, Argerich, and Hamelin (each has something special to bring to the table). But at this level, it is useless to compare; they are all geniuses in some way.
The playing and the music are breathtaking. Kristian Zimermans first attempt of Ludvig van Beethovens greatest genius the sonatas ? The “Pathetique” stands nevertheless in grace with dynamic & power;
Oh, no you don't! For awhile there was a lengthy debate on that topic in the top rated comments section of this video. Definitely a polarizing issue. His repeat rubbed me the wrong way quite a bit at first, but it's grown on me since.
yes I too, think the Grave section should not be repeated - we got the point the first time round. Although seeing Zimerman for longer on screen is glorious
Grosejay Hm, my Henle Verlag doesn't have it like that either, and I believe that is the publisher known for sticking to the original edition. My apologies for the fact that discussion had already taken place here, apparently. Oh BTW, just found this: conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/c/c1/IMSLP50958-PMLP01410-Op.13.pdf
The Purple Moonwalker I know this was from a year ago, but just pointing out that my old Schirmer edition (Dr. Hans Van Burlow, who apparently was also a student of Beethoven) told you to repeat the Grave section as well. My Henle Verlag Urtext doesn't have a repeat either, though. Still a fantastic performance!
bit surprised concerning some comments - ask 10 specialist and you will get 10 different opinions - this is in fact great performance as we are used to get from Krystian - Greetings Daniel
I am not sure about that, but again, I have not listened to his playing extensively or attentively enough to make a statement yet; so I will certainly give him a fair listen!
With this piece, in the first movement with its opening section marked “grave”, Beethoven left the musical world of Mozart and Haydn far behind. From the very first chord, there’s a deeply personal expression of intense rage and despair and fatalism that has never been heard before. In the second, a depth and nobility that only Beethoven could create. We heard a foretaste of this in the first and fifth piano sonatas (f minor, c minor respectively) but here it’s taken to a new level of intensity entirely. Zimmerman is fabulous as always.
Interesting -- he takes the repeat from the very beginning/introduction rather than where it's marked in the score. Not sure if I've ever seen that before.
I agree. There is an ongoing debate about it. But I have to say, I've heard it done both ways and I don't like going all the way back to the Grave section on the repeat. It doesn't make sense to me as it seems more of an introduction that shouldn't be repeated, and since it is echoed and touched upon later in the movement, it seems unnecessary to repeat the whole thing.
And I think he dots that first subject too much; there surely has to be a little room left for lyricism even in that intensely affirmative first subject in which one feels Beethoven crying out, shouting out something, which he is able to repeat so often throughout that first movement without the slightest possibility of it becoming overstated. That’s the genius of Beethoven: who else, even Mozart in his moments of greatest pathos, could get away with so many repeats of the same words; imagine someone at your dinner table doing that; only the most fascinating and magnetic persons you have ever met could begin to get away with it!
ma perchè finita l'esposizione ricomincia dal grave? non dovrebbe riprendere dal primo tema dell'allegro molto con brio?! grazie a chi mi sa dare una risposta! ;)
I like the interpretations of Movts 2 and 3 very much. Might be my favorite, but I like a lot of other pianists’ movement 1s better (I don’t like the repeat from the grave and some of the pedal…though he has inspired me to use pedal in some more areas)…
Funny that he repeats the intro on the A section of the first movement. Wonder witch edition he worked on. Most edition put the repeat aftzr the intro. If someone knows ?
This is because the first published edition of the piece indicates the repeat after the intro. There is a debate as to whether or not this is the right place for the repeat, and many pianists choose to ignore this repeat marking and include the Grave section in the repeat for musical reasons. Because the manuscript for the piece is lost, we can't know for sure what Beethoven's intention was, so ultimately it's up to the interpreter to make that decision. I think it's more commonly played as it is printed in the first edition, but pianists like Barenboim, Serkin, and Zimerman here have played it the other way.
Woo Jin Lee Interesting fact I didn't know that. Personally I think that repeating the intro brake the spirit and repearing straight fromm the allegro makes it more fiery. but I understand why he did it. Each section are preceded by the largo part.
Am Anfang war ich verwirrt. I must admit, I had to hear this several times, before commenting. And everyone is a critic.But forever it's worth: I CAN understand the "thumbs down" by some, because as I first listened, I thought I was hearing Brahms! This is unlike any Pathetique I ever heard. At times, too much pedal where not required, at other times, too clipped and staccato lacking the lush phrasing where I expected (2nd movement... I was disappointed at 14:00) Many could argue (the "purists" that is) that Zimerman is all about Zimerman and the excessive schmaltz in his interpretation is nothing more than "showboating." Won't even go into the technique, and yes, I DID hear what occurred at 11:06....However, having said all that, does anyone remember the whole Gould controversy around his interpretation of Bach years back (or shall I say years Bach) sorry. My point is this...... And especially to all of the "purists": WHO REALLY KNOWS what Ludwig had in mind when he composed this? Perhaps it was EXACTLY this. Expressive markings are open to interpretation. I don't need to remind anyone here that this composer was THE transition from the Classic to Romantic Period. I can make a similar comparison to Callas in the world of Opera. Does anyone GET that analogy? I will end by saying Das ist erstaunlich. Ich bin in der Liebe. And Thank You davidofpiano423 for posting this. I do believe I am as you say.. "hooked."....
too much pedal ... too clipped... etc. That is your opinion, ok. As i think, music is not an exact mathematics formulas and Beethoven's music is more open for emotions and different interpretations. I like Zimerman's interpretation. For me, personally, some of others interpretations, maybe more perfect, are more boring and "something is missing". But of course, everyone likes different music :)
If you noticed how I ended my comment, I SAID: I am HOOKED. Did you not get my Maria Callas analogy? I am a professional musician. An Artist. I was not speaking of math formulas. sheeeesh...Yes. I more than enjoyed!
bravaLiz, I have to agree, on a first listening, a bit excessive on the pedal work in the 1st and gain at the end of the Rodo - a bit "clipped". I felt it as an instant of being arrested at the end of a section where it wasn't expected [or maybe wanted] before the next began. It was something that I simply found myself consciously noticing several times in a way I wish I hadn't noticed consciously. Otherwise no faults or errors that I could detect - bearing in mind how much of the performance is lost between uploading to and downloading from UA-cam. I really liked Zimerman's performance except for those few 'startling' moments.
bravaLiz I thought his rendition of the final movement of Chopin's 3rd sonata was a little clipped too. But I'd have to say it grew on me, though. And I think this in no way... has the impact Gould's Bach had. Because, in my humble opinion, it is not as rad. Plus Gould really ruined some Beethoven sonata's as well... he just had that controversy in him, more than Zimerman anyways.
Are there 2 versions of the "Pathetique"? Kempff and Kempf version, for example, are different in the sheet... I don't understand why. In this video (your), there is a repetition of the opening part, and i can find it in those 2 versions. Maybe you can help me xD.
I wish this wasn't filmed using a potato, but God I love Zimerman. Wonderful mind; wonderful hands.
Lmao
They filmed in the Minecraft universe.
@@antonygonzalez9506 OMG lol
You forgot vodka...
Lol I’m dying
Even some people complain, for me is one of the best interpretation, with expected emotions, thrilling silent phases, detained chords, single tone beauty ...
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My grandmother taught piano, so I had free lessons for years. No talent, but the first Pathetique movement was my final recital piece at her annual recital in 10th grade. I’ve picked up piano as a late-30s adult & muscle memory is so helpful! My vision is awful & was part of why I quit ages ago (I kept losing my place w/the sheet music.) I made many errors at that last recital, age 16 & felt guilty as her relative. Now, I practice via 80-something-key-keyboard WITH HEADPHONES to spare others & embarrass myself less. So affordable plus no tuning! And those headphones, among other things. With my gramma passed, I love reviving the Pathetique 1st movement with a solid foundation & muscle memory. I love the 2nd mvt, but the first & more dramatic/challenging is way easier for me! ❤ it
Zimerman needs to record his repertoire before it's too late. He hates the studio, but it is going to be a shame not to have more recordings than what we have at this moment.
Couldn't agree more.
Oh yes, the world needs his recordings - and the first thing to record should be the Chopin sonatas.
There's no better way possible to play the Pathetique in my opinion.
He should have done it twenty years ago. It is indeed a great loss for humankind when the art of some of the greatest is lost or forgotten.
In some interview he said that he records every concert which he plays. If only those recordings were published...
I totally agree with you We want to have more records of this stunning Polish pianist that in my humble opinion is among the more important piano soloist of our time
Absolutely fabulous, the most amazing performance of Pathetique I've ever heard ;)
An absolute joy to listen to this sublime interpretation of this magnificent sonata written by Beethoven.
He plays those first 4 notes of the 3rd movement with such weight... So beautiful! He does the same all throughout the 3rd movement and it excites me every time
So cool that someone else noticed this. Literally my favorite thing he does in the whole Sonata. I’ve tried to replicate it in my own playing and it’s surprisingly difficult to get the same affect.
@@davidofpiano423 I know right! That's what Zimerman does though, every piece that he plays, he touches just a little differently but it somehow makes it a whole another story. In this particular one he brings out the passion part of it i think, and yes I also tried and it is more difficult to capture. Sounds like a heavy staccato
I love his interpretations and the fact that he has such a control over technique that he can do whatever he wants musically...
Bravo Herr Zimmerman! Your playing is absolutely brilliant, and full of emotion. I could not imagine anyone performing this piece more beautifully...Peace!
He is Zimerman not Zimmerman.
My sentiments exactly 🥺
Eine der besten Interpretationen dieser Sonate, geradlinig, klar und emotionell sehr ausgereift! So spielt man Beethoven.
HG.
11:00 to 16:04 most beautiful thing ever made
Im working at that movement right nos, and you are right
should be nice play piano, I'm a drummer :)
thanks :D
agree
Really hard to argue with that, deLarg0.
Thank you Mr. Zimerman, We are so lucky have this opportunity to share your gift snd your brilliant performance. thank you for uploading it.
If you are reading this, please always go to Zimerman to understand how to play a piece by Beethoven. Most have absolutely no idea how to play his work. the trick is to clearly articulate that retained motif throughout the entire piece. without it, a large amount is lost.
This is excellent! I like when artists play not only technically accurate..but with the passion and emotion of the piece!
tears in my eyes! really! the best version i've ever heard.
This is the best version I've heard /watched.
Excellent music in very smart performance, smooth & violent, tender and powerful when it needs to be…
And for so many years I have been wondering where did these amazing notes came from - now I know ! Zimmerman is also great of course - thanks for the video . . .
My god , what a beautiful touch, words can not do it justice.
Inarrivabile. Supremo. Superlativo.
I'm thrilled to have found this. This rendition just cannot be compared to Horowitz's or Barenboim's performances of this very piece. The ending of the adagio brought me down to tears. His respect to pauses, to what's actually written is remarkable. I'm starting to learn this by myself and this is a very desirable benchmark
I like him very much.
one of the most dynamic and dramatic performances ever. There is no pretension, and his romantic pianism is also suitable for classical pieces.
I was listening to this and had to do a double take, WHAT ON EARTH... I noted the comments on You Tube about this being a long standing point, first time I face it, and can't get it for all my gynormous respect to everything positive Zimmerman has done to shake up interpretations of the classics. The Grave is but another typical (if anything by Beethoven can be typical) example of a Beethoven introduction which in his work serves as just that.
Best Patétique I ever heard! :D
I remember back in the 1980s there was a radio program (on SWF 2) where there were all 32 Beethoven piano sonatas presented (first introduced and then played by several pianists - one sonata by one pianist)! If I wasn't wrong the Patétique was played by Artur Rubinstein (whom I admired with this sonata). IMHO Krystian Zimerman is even better here!
I like to recommend two recordings here on UA-cam by Krystian Zimerman:
Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 9, K.311: and
Gershwin: 3 Préludes (given as an encore to the same recital as the "Pathétique").
Both recordings can be found on my channel btw ;)
Thanks so much for uploading it! ;)
Of course Zimerman is the best pianist of the universe, he is completely amazing.
Zimerman a dull Boring stiff machine player. Better ones Grigory Sokolov Artur Rubinstein Emil Gilels Wilhelm Kempff Mikhail Pletnev Radu Lupu
Don't like to make comparisons because there are so many pianists who play this sonata beautifully. However, I really enjoyed listening to this performance. Zimmerman brings out the spirit of Beethoven in this sonata with its powerful emotions in the 1st movement and the contrasting more tender emotions in the second Movement.
Zimmerman plays many composers excellent. I have not heard him play baroque repertoire.
Bravo to a brilliant piano player! But the true mastermind to write the work of genius, Beethoven! Long live one of, if not the greatest composers of all time!
Together with Bach
And Chopin :p
Amd mozart
And Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich, Mahler, Debussy, Ravel, Scarlatti, Vivaldi and otherssss
Those chords!!! Gives me goosebumps every time I hear it.
gave me goosebumps.....
i love this interpretation.! fantastic my favourite
Excelente arreglo de esta sonata, se imprime el sello Zimerman, que placer escucharlo.
Zimerman , siempre toca magistralmente , yo creo que ha tocado la mayor parte de la obra de Beethoven para piano , Sonatas , los 5 Conciertos ,se los he escuchado , los de Brahms , Tchaikovsky , etc .por decir algo .Tiene una memoria prodigiosa , e interpreta magistralmente todas las obras de los Grandes Clásicos.Me encanta , lo disfruto y Admiro mucho su técnica .Pareciera que acaricia el teclado y que nada es difícil .Como un pez en el agua . Maravilloso Maestro ....Saludos desde México .Y Gracias ♥️ por subirlo .No lo conocía , pero desde hace un mes , no me pierdo todas las noches deleitarme escuchándolo .
BRAVO MAESTRO 🙏🎹🎼🎵🎶👏👏👏👏👏💐💐💐💐💐💐
No one is gonna talk about the perfect audience???? Little coughing and no clamping between movements
This video should be left forever as a legacy of mankind.
Masterly interpretation of a great work. One thinks of Krystian Zimerman as being a Chopin expert (which he is) but he's almost equally good with Beethoven. Some (mainly younger) pianists play quickly for the sake of speed, but although Zimerman's tempi (in the 1st and 3rd movts) are almost as fast the performance has much more of a musical message.
best execution of this sonata on you tube !!!
Touch, sound, just everything... Real master.
One of the many Ling Lings of Piano!
🙏🏼🙏🏼👌🤵🏼👌🙏🏼🙏🏼
8:18-8:24 hell yea what a perfect phrasing, barenboim's lvl. The timing is very difficult, specially when it comes to fitting the comeback, very captious
I always check this part in other pianists versions and compare to barenboim's (one of the best interpretations of this sonata no doubt).
He plays it different than anybody else you can can watch/listen to on here.
^..^~~
Thumbs up for your favorite classical song of all time. All three movements are so bad ass. An absolute masterpiece.
I am working on that third movement... doubt I will get it more than 3/4 his speed, and am trying to bring back the first two movements so I can play them all at once on a nice Steinway here in town someday. It is a good goal. In another life, I would love to have the ability to perform and bring joy to many. Right now piano and especially this composition is magic for my soul.
My sentiments exactly. My goal is to learn this piece one day to the best of my ability. I've learned so much from being a pianist. I feel as the older I get the more therapeutic it is for me. I may not become the concert pianist I've dreamed to be, but I truly love and enjoy playing piano and I enjoy performing for others. Music is inspiring both for the the performer as well as the audience,I've also learned.
You don't have to go as fast in the last movement as he does. If you ask me most pianists take that finale too fast. It is not as fast as the first movement.
The control and patience of this man I gotta appreciate even though not my favourite.
im not even sure what to comment because everyone that comments in classical music is a professional artist and critic :(
Just be a professional poster!
Beethoven is considered to be more of a romantic era composer rather than classical.
Not true! I'm a tiler (not even a qualified one..lol) and here I say this is a moving and beautiful piece of music. I like it ... alot! I love Beethoven. Wish I could meet him and say thanks for the music. I appreciate every note.
Rye kaz I consider Beethovens' to be a "style" in itself rather than of a classical or romantic era. He speaks through the music in a provocative manner as to be unique and I doubt the maestro would appreciate being compared. He wrote and re-wrote till he was happy it would convey his story without being boring nor sounding familiar. That is why I find him more interesting than Mozart. I don't really find classical music entertaining (as a tiler ..lols) but I become almost hypnotized when a piece of Beethoven is played. Enjoy!
Convincing and compelling interpretation. Beautifully done.
Po prostu super ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
My 3 absolute favorites are Zimerman, Argerich, and Hamelin (each has something special to bring to the table). But at this level, it is useless to compare; they are all geniuses in some way.
awesome performance.
So lovely. I enjoy really 🎶🎵❤
Absolutely best of best!
Феноменальное исполнение!!!!! Действительно Бетховен!!!!
The playing and the music are breathtaking. Kristian Zimermans first attempt of Ludvig van Beethovens greatest genius the sonatas ? The “Pathetique” stands nevertheless in grace with dynamic & power;
I seem to stand alone in thinking the intro ('Grave') shouldn't be repeated...
Oh, no you don't! For awhile there was a lengthy debate on that topic in the top rated comments section of this video. Definitely a polarizing issue. His repeat rubbed me the wrong way quite a bit at first, but it's grown on me since.
yes I too, think the Grave section should not be repeated - we got the point the first time round. Although seeing Zimerman for longer on screen is glorious
davidofpiano423 Barenboim also repeats it in his performance.So maybe some manuscripts have a reptition written in. My son's score does not.
Grosejay Hm, my Henle Verlag doesn't have it like that either, and I believe that is the publisher known for sticking to the original edition. My apologies for the fact that discussion had already taken place here, apparently.
Oh BTW, just found this: conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/c/c1/IMSLP50958-PMLP01410-Op.13.pdf
The Purple Moonwalker I know this was from a year ago, but just pointing out that my old Schirmer edition (Dr. Hans Van Burlow, who apparently was also a student of Beethoven) told you to repeat the Grave section as well. My Henle Verlag Urtext doesn't have a repeat either, though. Still a fantastic performance!
Mon dieu que c'est beau. Quel pianist! Merci
this man is really really the great pianist.. i have ever seen until now
Mister Zimerman! The greatest performance I ever heard...
머릿속에있는 모든걸 다 표현낼수있다니..너무너무 부럽다..천재가 노력하면 어떤분야던지 다 가능하구나
How can he have both a light and powerful touch at once? And isn’t his use non-use of pedals magnificent?
bit surprised concerning some comments - ask 10 specialist and you will get 10 different opinions - this is in fact great performance as we are used to get from Krystian - Greetings Daniel
Dar od ziemskich bogów, bardzo dziękuję ❤️
I appreciate his dominance playing this piece the authority resonates Beethoven 🥲
I am not sure about that, but again, I have not listened to his playing extensively or attentively enough to make a statement yet; so I will certainly give him a fair listen!
Sublime!!
It was absolutely amazing LOVE IT so mmmmmuch
Magnificent execution and music, beautifully... Beautifully! Super.
Lo adoro, è eccezionale. Sa caricarti,farti sognare,piangere. Il miglior pianista ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I want to say something about his interpretation, but I find no words...
I live to hear Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 8's Second Movement. There is not very much that is more lovely in the world.
With this piece, in the first movement with its opening section marked “grave”, Beethoven left the musical world of Mozart and Haydn far behind. From the very first chord, there’s a deeply personal expression of intense rage and despair and fatalism that has never been heard before. In the second, a depth and nobility that only Beethoven could create. We heard a foretaste of this in the first and fifth piano sonatas (f minor, c minor respectively) but here it’s taken to a new level of intensity entirely. Zimmerman is fabulous as always.
Toca la Patética magistralmente felicidades!!!
completely amazing!
Lo adoré ❤
What can be better, with love from New Jersey, USA.
ツィメルマンの心に響く感性とテンポが素晴らしい。感動で涙が込み上げてくる。
The delay between image and sound makes the Grave look almost ridiculous. I still think his sound is great, though.
Interesting -- he takes the repeat from the very beginning/introduction rather than where it's marked in the score. Not sure if I've ever seen that before.
I agree. There is an ongoing debate about it. But I have to say, I've heard it done both ways and I don't like going all the way back to the Grave section on the repeat. It doesn't make sense to me as it seems more of an introduction that shouldn't be repeated, and since it is echoed and touched upon later in the movement, it seems unnecessary to repeat the whole thing.
Astonishing
Barenboim should watch this... AND his Chopin of course.
The best interpretation of this sonata, in my opinion. After Gould's, because nobody is better than Gould. Nobody can be better than God. So, Gould.
I wish I could hear everything this guy's played
And I think he dots that first subject too much; there surely has to be a little room left for lyricism even in that intensely affirmative first subject in which one feels Beethoven crying out, shouting out something, which he is able to repeat so often throughout that first movement without the slightest possibility of it becoming overstated. That’s the genius of Beethoven: who else, even Mozart in his moments of greatest pathos, could get away with so many repeats of the same words; imagine someone at your dinner table doing that; only the most fascinating and magnetic persons you have ever met could begin to get away with it!
Where did you get this awesome footage? I want a copy myself! xD
ma perchè finita l'esposizione ricomincia dal grave? non dovrebbe riprendere dal primo tema dell'allegro molto con brio?! grazie a chi mi sa dare una risposta! ;)
Thank you
The correction.Rubinstein his favourite was Rachmaninov piano concerto no 3 by Joseph Alfidi
Nunca me cansaré de escucharlo!!! Gracias!!!
I like the interpretations of Movts 2 and 3 very much. Might be my favorite, but I like a lot of other pianists’ movement 1s better (I don’t like the repeat from the grave and some of the pedal…though he has inspired me to use pedal in some more areas)…
BRAVO! *Applause*
beautiful fantastic
Funny that he repeats the intro on the A section of the first movement. Wonder witch edition he worked on. Most edition put the repeat aftzr the intro. If someone knows ?
This is because the first published edition of the piece indicates the repeat after the intro. There is a debate as to whether or not this is the right place for the repeat, and many pianists choose to ignore this repeat marking and include the Grave section in the repeat for musical reasons. Because the manuscript for the piece is lost, we can't know for sure what Beethoven's intention was, so ultimately it's up to the interpreter to make that decision. I think it's more commonly played as it is printed in the first edition, but pianists like Barenboim, Serkin, and Zimerman here have played it the other way.
Woo Jin Lee Interesting fact I didn't know that. Personally I think that repeating the intro brake the spirit and repearing straight fromm the allegro makes it more fiery. but I understand why he did it. Each section are preceded by the largo part.
Etienne Delaunois i think that repeating intro is dull and Beethoven never played it like this. However , this is the best interpretation i've heard
Has mozarts fantasy in c minor in it and also mozarts piano #24 ideas in it. The last movement is obviously a tribute or inspiration to mozarts #24
He is the greatest pianist alive.
Agreed - realy amazing!!
come correre con dio lungo la riva di un mare infinito
Just GREAT!
Am Anfang war ich verwirrt. I must admit, I had to hear this several times, before commenting. And everyone is a critic.But forever it's worth: I CAN understand the "thumbs down" by some, because as I first listened, I thought I was hearing Brahms! This is unlike any Pathetique I ever heard. At times, too much pedal where not required, at other times, too clipped and staccato lacking the lush phrasing where I expected (2nd movement... I was disappointed at 14:00) Many could argue (the "purists" that is) that Zimerman is all about Zimerman and the excessive schmaltz in his interpretation is nothing more than "showboating." Won't even go into the technique, and yes, I DID hear what occurred at 11:06....However, having said all that, does anyone remember the whole Gould controversy around his interpretation of Bach years back (or shall I say years Bach) sorry. My point is this...... And especially to all of the "purists": WHO REALLY KNOWS what Ludwig had in mind when he composed this? Perhaps it was EXACTLY this. Expressive markings are open to interpretation. I don't need to remind anyone here that this composer was THE transition from the Classic to Romantic Period. I can make a similar comparison to Callas in the world of Opera. Does anyone GET that analogy? I will end by saying Das ist erstaunlich. Ich bin in der Liebe. And Thank You davidofpiano423 for posting this. I do believe I am as you say.. "hooked."....
too much pedal ... too clipped... etc. That is your opinion, ok. As i think, music is not an exact mathematics formulas and Beethoven's music is more open for emotions and different interpretations. I like Zimerman's interpretation. For me, personally, some of others interpretations, maybe more perfect, are more boring and "something is missing". But of course, everyone likes different music :)
If you noticed how I ended my comment, I SAID: I am HOOKED. Did you not get my Maria Callas analogy? I am a professional musician. An Artist. I was not speaking of math formulas. sheeeesh...Yes. I more than enjoyed!
bravaLiz,
I have to agree, on a first listening, a bit excessive on the pedal work in the 1st and gain at the end of the Rodo - a bit "clipped". I felt it as an instant of being arrested at the end of a section where it wasn't expected [or maybe wanted] before the next began. It was something that I simply found myself consciously noticing several times in a way I wish I hadn't noticed consciously. Otherwise no faults or errors that I could detect - bearing in mind how much of the performance is lost between uploading to and downloading from UA-cam. I really liked Zimerman's performance except for those few 'startling' moments.
bravaLiz I thought his rendition of the final movement of Chopin's 3rd sonata was a little clipped too. But I'd have to say it grew on me, though. And I think this in no way... has the impact Gould's Bach had. Because, in my humble opinion, it is not as rad. Plus Gould really ruined some Beethoven sonata's as well... he just had that controversy in him, more than Zimerman anyways.
What exactly happened at 11:06? The bass too loud? It seems he does that on purpose to me.
Are there 2 versions of the "Pathetique"? Kempff and Kempf version, for example, are different in the sheet... I don't understand why. In this video (your), there is a repetition of the opening part, and i can find it in those 2 versions. Maybe you can help me xD.