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- Does the .22 Creedmoor capitalize on the popularity of its parents, or does this speedster have merit all its own? Listen in to find out.
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Wow!! You guys are killing it with all the 10 min cartridge talks. Thank You!!!
I don't know about that , as they are constantly going over ten ?
They should probably rename them ‘10-ish’ minute talks haha. I like them, but they just don’t quite fit in to my commute.
Have 2 absolutely love them waiting on my MDT chassis for the second now!
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60, 64 and 69 grain for predator hunting.
60 grain Ballistic Tip
64 grain TGK
69 grain SBK
Basically Ryan gets interviewed
.22 Creedmoor is .45 GAP. It fills a void that isnt a void.
Do the 450 Marlin
With more heavy for caliber bullets coming out I believe the 22, 6mm, 25creed are going to keep getting more popular
There are two very popular trends in custom rifles right now: small calibers with high BCs and velocity, and large calibers with extremely efficient bullet design at subsonic speeds for dedicated suppressor use.
Turns out, nothing within 400 yards is fun shooting anymore. The only game in town is trying to hit stuff past 500-600 yards. It's all the rage.
So I’m not particularly interested in this cartridge but I enjoyed the talk anyway. I found you guys last winter and binged all the 10min cartridge talks. Glad to see you doing more of them.
These cartridge talks are absolutely the best thing this holiday season! Thank you Mark, Jim and Ryan. Looking forward to the next two. 👊🏻
It’s a beast, I shoot 85.5 grain Berger’s at 3350fps. Nothing has walked away from it yet. Shot a whitetail and it was struck by lightning, I was shooting crows at 300 pretty easy.
Would it be possible to hit an animal from approx 2km away? Thx
@@xntumrfo9ivrnwf I am sure there is someone out there that can do it.
@@xntumrfo9ivrnwf that is like 2,200 yards. Half that distance would be wildly unethical. Even if someone could "hit an animal" that far away, doesn't mean they should. Big difference between a hit and a clean kill.
@@demetriuscooksey7147 hit a squirrel at that distance and it will be ethical 🤣 hitting one at that distance will make you God himself.
Holy jumping that’s fast ..3350
Why don’t we stir the pot and do a comparison of the 300 WSM, the 300 RCM, and the 300 SAUM? There are some interesting point to be made, considering the philosophy behind each of these cartridges being so different.
Never new there was a 300SAUM sounds very interesting thanks for the info mate cheers
Yes I have one and I love it. I rebarrelled a Savage GRS 6MM Creedmoor after lack luster results on the loading bench. The 22 Creed like all Creedmoor loadings tend to LOVE H4350. It’s a zero recoil having, bughole group making dream with a Hornady 75 Grain BTHP at 25 Thousandths jump. So far the 82g Bergers, 88g ELD and the 90g Sierra ALL shoot lights out. Have yet to shoot the 90g A Tips or 95g HPBT Sierra. Also as a side note I’m running brand new Peterson Brass Can’t wait to punish the P Dogs this spring!!
Another great talk. Would be cool see you guys turn back the clock, and talk about the .22 Hornet. Efficient, mild report (for a center fire .22), near zero recoil, and beats the .22 magnum.
My dad has one in a ruger m77 and it’s a dream to shoot. No recoil and I was watching hickory nuts turn to fairy dust. One word awesome.
I run the 95 gr Sierra match king and it's been stupid accurate, barrel life is claimed to be 700 - 1000 rounds but if you want cheap with good barrel life shoot a 22LR
U can’t get good performance and good barrel life
I like that 70 grain Barnes as well, but they recently released an LRX in 77 grain that has a substantially higher bc of .404 vs .323 for the 70gr tsx. Probably a perfect match for this cartridge imo.
Personally, I'm thinking about the 70gr AccuBond.
@@marcmoore4115 Sure, Nosler was the only bullet I hunted with when I used cup and core bullets. Never had a bad experience with them. I did have a jacket separation once, but it was still a fatal wound with no track job. I just prefer to use copper for hunting these days as I don't like eating lead, which if you've ever seen those x-rays of ground game meat, you'll realize you are eating some quantity of lead. Just my preference
@@robertmajors1737 You sound vaccinated
@@BcFuTw9jt LMAO not even remotely. I'm a red blooded pipe welder. I haven't been in a doctor's office in years. I do geek out about ballistics pretty often though. Edit I just realized you're probably talking about me not wanting to eat lead. You wouldn't drink water you knew had lead contamination would you? So why eat it when you don't have to?
This should be just shy of what a .22-.243 Middlestead achieves. There’s also the .22-6mm Rem, commonly known as a .22 Coyote, which is almost like a laser beam with 69-77gr bullets which also goes by the name of .22 TTH with the heaviest of .22 cal bullets and a faster twist barrel.
Found my new favorite podcast. Now I'm going to end up with a bunch of new rifles in calibers I didn't know I needed.
haha we appreciate that, Corey! There's always room for just one more rifle ;)
@@VortexNation My gunsafe disagrees.
@@WayStedYou Might be time for a new gunsafe ;)
why not use the 6mm CM for all this? how do they compare?
22cm is significantly flatter. The 6xc with a 105gr ELD will have roughly 15" more drop at 600 yds, and 1-1/4" more wind drift with a 10mph cross wind. If you have a 6cm throated to take a 115 DTAC, the DTAC drops 16-1/2" more than the 22cm, but has about 1-1/2" less wind drift. So the 22cm shoots significantly flatter, and with a 75gr VLD it splits the difference in wind drift between a 105gr ELD and a 115gr DTAC. I suspect that with heavier bullets you can get better performance in the wind than what you can get from a 115gr DTAC, but I don't know what you'd be giving up in regards to trajectory. I'm sure it would still shoot flatter than the DTAC, but not sure by how much.
This has become my favorite pod to listen to passively at work. You're also correct on every cartridge you talk about makes me want something chambered in it! Lol
Love the Talk's, but it seems like barrel life is never mentioned when comparing a lot of these cartridges?
I think it’s probably because hard paper data on how barrel life’s compare is difficult to come by. There’s a lot of people out there making claims but I bet it’s hard to sort that out.
Think that would be less relevant in a bolt gun, especially for hunting. And if you can afford to shoot out the barrel you can probably afford a new one.
i’ll stick to a .22 250 with 45 grain hollow points coming out at about 4100-4200 fps!
I like that too ... lights out with relatively inexpensive Win USA 45gr hp. BUT, I think the Barnes bullets 70gr or 77gr in the 22Creed makes it a different animal. I'm considering iot...
Brilliant videos keep up the good work .
Could you please make a video on the 6.5x55 swede thank.
I have a PRS rifle chambered in a 7 twist running a 95 gr. SMK @ 3150 FPS at sea level. Very flat shooting setup. Runs right there with all the 6mm's. You must maintain the throat to keep it heathy at those speeds and weight of bullet though. I reload using a single base Vihtavuori N165 power. Run's a little cooler.
N165 is my next plan what speeds compared to hodg 4350 or n560
@@nathanielgray4235 Although I had N560 to try and did try H4350 first. I seen to much pressure trying to achieve 3100 plus with it. N165 isn't as temp stable as H4350 but it appears to run cooler and preserve the throat and leade quit well knowing I was going to run it hard and fast. Anything over 3150-3175 with a 7 twist and the 95 SMK isn't 100% that the bullet will make it to your target. Over RPM and fly apart. I have sense slowed it down to 3100 for these hot Texas summer days if I compete with that rifle. I believe I ran N560 though QuickLoad at one time and it was a candidate.
''Every time..." I just built a 6.5 Creedmore, haven't shot it yet, and I want to throw it in the garbage. I'm pissed.lol
I need to stop watching these cartridge videos.
I never shoot past 6-800yards, but here I am thinking I really need a 22 caliber laser beam in the safe just in case I move out west and find myself needing to take coyotes across a ravine.
Hornady making it all happen. They put the big three ammo manufactuers in last place! Even Sierra is barely holding it's own.
k but what about the .223 super short magnum that apparently came and went? Wasn’t it like 4k feet per second? Guess people just want a creedmoor right now due to marketing and herd mentalities. Which is fine I’d say in this specific context of sport shooting but yah know… not in other contexts.
I'm pretty sure Marshalls doesn't sell suits 😅
I'm in the process of working on 22 250 ackley one in seven twist i think i'll stick with that
Barrel life is the challenge with a coyote gun. We want something fast that doesn't destroy the bore in a few hundred shots. That's honestly why I'm considering the 223 because even though I have to call them in closer the ammo is cheap and the barrels last way longer than other options.
I am over 800 shots into my 22 creed and I havent had to change my load since day 1 still shoots .4" groups or smaller all day long. If I have to change a barrel every 4 or 5 years so be it. The performance is more than worth the cost.
22-250 over 223 all day far out performs and not a barrel burner. although with just shooting coyotes I cant imagine you'll burn barrels out.
How many coyotes do you shoot?!
@@alexgeislinger6021 What barrel brand, material, length, twist?
@@preachers4135 26" bartlien stainless with 1×8" twist
Very accurate and would have to say the most fun to shoot cartridge I have! No recoil and it’s amazing! Seems to be very forgiving with all my hand loads under 3/4” in different powders and bullets.
I have on order a 22 Creedmoor that should be done in about 6 months. I chose this one based on the predator hunting I do: Coyotes and Wolves. The 22-250 was my favorite but with the 50 grain V-max's leaving the muzzle at 4,006 FPS, they really dropped off past 400 yards and questionable whether they could down a Wolf. This new cartridge gets me the best of both worlds, close in for the close calls, then I can also take out a Wolf (much bigger than a Coyote) but also take out Coyotes at distances up to 600-700 yards. This 22 Creedmoor is a game changer for sure.
killed a stone sheep 550 yards , one shot with my 22 250
@@martinrichard-r1v With a 50 grain? Not sure, but anything is possible. I did get a chance to stretch the legs on the 22 Creedmoor and it was amazing out to 900 yards with my 80 grain Berger VLD Targets, but did not do well in the winds.
Anyone buying a 22 creed, look at the short action customs modular dies for creedmore family. It uses a neck shoulder bushing so you can do the entire Creedmor family with one excellent die.
Seems badass I wonder how much flatter it is if it's flatter at all over a .257wby mag pushing a 80gr ttsx at 3900fps?
When are we going to have a talk on the 7 rem mag? I think I remember Ryan saying he’s not a fan and would love to hear his take on it.
I would also like to know y’all’s thought on the 22 creedmoor vs the 224 Valkyrie.
I love the cartridge conversations btw.
22 creedmoor you get no barrel life and a short action, 224 valk you get no case life and it fits in a mini action. 22 grendel is probably a better choice than either, especially in a bolt action where you can use pressures ar-15s can't handle due to the .440 bolt face requirement. the 80-95 grain .224 bullets have some insane BCs.
By no barrel life you mean what exactly?
@@alexgeislinger6021 A lifespan of well under 2000, likely 1000-1500 shots to be expected. 22-250 AI is already pretty much the limit of how much powder you can sanely put behind a .224 pill and this has significantly more. Much better to drop a couple hundred fps and go with 75-95s at 2800-3000 fps with the 22 grendel tbh.
@@PineyJustice Although I agree with you that the 22 grendel is an awesome cartridge and I do plan on owning one in a bolt gun one day. I dont really get why people get so uptight about something being a barrel burner. 1300-1500 shots is the life expectancy of damn near every competition rifle cartridge and even barrel life is up for interpretation because where do you draw the line? When groups open up to .5, .75, or 1 inch or even more? I also know plenty of people that have 1500+ rounds through a 22 creed and it still shoots lights out. Even if 1500 is max in a gun that is solely used for deer and coyotes, that is a lot of years and critters under that rifles belt. I have right around 700 through mine and I've had it for 2 years most of my shooting was in the early stages when I was figuring out what works and doesn't. So I figure I have 3-4 more years and 100s of coyotes left in the gun. I'll gladly pay an extra $600 every 5-6 years to get a new barrel fit and get 4 to 500 extra fps which is a massive difference in performance.
@@alexgeislinger6021 Fair, but it's rather bad design, low efficiency, expensive, loud and you only get a couple hundred fps more. Cool concept but 243 does everything it does better already with light bullets.
.284 Winchester next please. Spawned some interesting cartridges
Raise your hand if you googled nepotism
. 222 Rem and 264 Win Mag next, please! Can't find any good videos on either of them.
You will see a few .223 Rems in F-Class TR category shooting up to 90s. I just don't know how this could really beat a 6mm Creedmoor shooting an equally heavy 90 grain bullet. Theyre both gonna hold the same velocity, but the 6 is gonna win in the wind buckin portion out to longer ranges. For under 500 yards give me a 6mm Creedmoor over a 6.5 any day. 600-1000 I'd take a 6.5 Creedmoor over a 6 especially with Berger HLRTs @ 153.5gns. Lord that bullet is impossible to beat. I was doing load dev and just getting muzzle velocities. Across 27 different loads (all 0.2 gns difference) and they all went into a 1.7 inch group at 100 yds. The bullet just flies well. Im about to buy a box of 500 for the 6mm Creedmoor to see how they do. 22 Creedmoor definitely has a place, I just have a hard time swallowing that the recoil is gonna be any different than a 6.
I have a 6mm Creedmoor and it really is a laser. (I have a 6.5 Creedmoor too). I have regularly shot my 6 Creed out to 1000-1100 yards and it gives nothing up to my 6.5. One of the big reasons folks in PRS are pushing for the 6mm and heavy .22s is velocity, faster flight time to the steel, less time for wind and gravity to act on the bullet, that and the lowest recoil possible to stay on target in positional shooting. I know, it is splitting hairs, but all these incremental developments in PRS focused cartridges are all about getting that little bit more.
Ive loved wildcatting since very young, learned to read on ackleys works.
From the 22-243 middlestead and other snot rockets guys had in the 70s running 70-110 gr .224 bullets i read about, the only thing we have truly capitalized with now is the high bc bullets.
Those early innovations were largely round nose long bullets with reamer cuts in the .3s for fb.
These are nothing new, but the efficiency in case shape in addition to bullet designs we are seeing is growing in the right direction. Ive shot strictly .224 calibers for prs and nrl the past 2 years.
From 223 223ai 22br 22gt and 22creed, comparing them all in performance.
Even from the diminutive 223ai with 85.5s cleaned a stage at 1740 in the bw series, added horse power truly is just more of a good thing.
Went through several 22creed barrels, and while a hot setup its lackluster barrel life is very hard to overlook for match style shooting. Including load development and sight in at matches, it would basically be a new barrel every 4 matches.
And yet the 223s are going over 6k rounds and still punching .2-.3 groups?
What is the balance?
The 22GT. I get the same velocity with 90s and 95s with 8 less grains of powder which equates into less recoil (marginally as it is so light anyway) but barrel life has been phenomenal. Well over 2k rounds on all my barrels so far and some are leaving them over 3k rounds. Compare that to the 8-900 the creed barely makes it to there is no choice.
P.s. the comment about the 22-250 ai vs creed is a little misleading because those of us that started with the 22 creed years ago were fireforming from 22 250 brass... the differences are negligible.
What barrel make, material, length, twist rate do you think would be best in light of this?
@@preachers4135 7.5 if you want heavys. Works even with the 95s if you push em fast. Perfect for 88 85 80 75 grain combos
@@calebconner6127 Thank you.
@@preachers4135 you bet. We have been very successful with that combo. Berger 85.5s at mid 3100 in a 7.5 twist is just ridiculous
I've also seen the 22 creedmoor and 22-250's shoot its best at about 2800 fps which is where the 223 shoots best at in our f-class guns. The other issue that arises with 90's is the twist rate. I know the berger 90 vld's jacket can't handle the RPM once the barrel starts to get some fire cracking in it. As far as the 90smk's are concerned I don't have a lot of experience with them so I can't really speak on that.
I can hear the lands and groves crying from here.
I would also like to hear your thoughts on the 224 Valkyrie. I own one. It is dynamite on a yote. That’s with a 75 Gr ELD Match.
Hornady needs to make this round official!
I’ve heard rumors that it’s next on their list.
You can get Hornady dies for it!
Hornady needs to leave it alone. It's fine just like it is. If Hornady starts messing with it, they will most certainly screw it up. The fact that its a wildcat means that all the specs can remain nice and tight and we can have really accurate rifles and good quality Peterson brass. If Hornady gets their paws on it, you'll end up with a glorified, re-branded 22-250, and when you go to get a barrel, you won't know if you're buying a good, accurate barrel, or some piece of crap that was chambered and built to Hornady's specs.
Already available from them
Shout out to Marc for the “this page was intentionally left blank.” refrence.
I have 300 prc 6.5 creed and 6 creed. Love all three. About to build a 6.5 prc. Looks like I’ve got another build coming straight up after that one now😂👍😊
Outstanding vids guys👌
What episode do you review the 300 PRC? THX!
Now that you guys have reviewed the 220 swift, 204 Ruger, and the 22 creedmoor, you need to also review the 223 WSSM
Love this cartridge talk you guys kill it!! Ryan is very knowledgeable and it’s awesome to learn!! Would like to see you guys talk about 6.5 prc!!
Colorado has a max caliber restriction of .23cal for small game and furbearers west of I-25/Front Range - the 22Creed sounds perfect for sitting on a hill with a nice view in Western CO callin' in some yotes. I like the Tikka and KRG idea - I've had great performance from my current Tikka action. Now....ammo availability...that might get difficult sourcing primers/brass...
I’ve always loved these 10 minute cartridge talks! Keep it goin fellas
Still think on basically a 308 case the 7 08 is the best of the children of that cartridge.
Have you done a 10 min talk on the 224 Valkyrie? That would be a good thing to discuss since it can be in both a bolt and an AR15 platform.
To me it usually comes down to twist rate. Just as the .224 Valkyrie was fighting to get a foothold in the market, people started saying "I think I'll just rebarrel my .22-250 with an 8 inch twist".
Makes lots of sense Kurt and also a different barrel for the good old 243.
@@baobo67 I have a 9.25" twist on my 243. Wish I had 2 of them, 8 inch and 10 inch.
Guys, hear me out! 220 swift, updated to 65000 psi pressures to match 22-250 (its currently 62000), with a Creedmoor or valkyrie style shoulder/neck, a 1 in 7/8/or 9 twist, and those big ol' 90 grain .224 bullets that made the 224 valkyrie popular. That would be a badass cartridge!
.220 swft AI has been here. The bullet shredded at the rpm, and throat erosion was *swift*😮
New powders and bullets would be neat to try.
As cool as the 22 creed might be I can’t imagine it’s much different than a fast twist 22/250AI… just an observation, not being a negative nancy. I picked up a Bergara 22/250 hmr which has a 9” twist and I wonder what the different case capacity of the 3 are…
I’ll keep my .22-250 for down here in TEXAS thanks!!! I can reliably drop deer, black bear, elk (yes, I dropped a cow elk with it!), and certainly pigs. My .22-250 with 60 grain Nosler Partitions is good for anything walking in North America except for the largest of the bears and musk ox. It shoots like a laser beam and drops pigs in their tracks. Almost zero recoil and AMAZING penetration capabilities. The Nosler Partition is the basest of the bad boys. Opens almost immediately and the core drives through hard.
Musk ox are the size of shetland ponies. You must’ve meant to say moose. Surely you’re not just another ignorant Texan.
Oh yea? You need that big ol' cartridge? I dropped a 500 class elk at 300yds with the good ol' 22lr
22-250 is a good round but it’s stupid and inhuman to use it for elk or bear. It will 100% wound if you hit bone or get a bad shot. There’s a reason almost everyone in Alaska uses a 308, 30-06 at minimum.
22 GT gives you back some barrel life
Maybe you guys misunderstood. I said 25 Creedmoor, not 22 Creedmoor! Do It!
Minus ELR, does it do anything 243Win doesn't? We are talking similar bullet weights, and case capacity
I was hoping they would compare it too .243 specifically. Based on the weights and numbers they were throwing out there it sounds like it might have more velocity in a 90 grain bullet than .243.
If they are neck and neck then they don’t do the most important thing better than .243 for a lot of people. Commercial ammo selection.
Also the 90gr 224 bullet has suck a higher B.C. over the 90gr 243 bullet. Kind of hard to compare I think. That bullet must cut the wind like a hot knife through butter
I have a 6mm Creeedmoor and it is a laser. I can imagine a .22 Creed with really heavy pills and a fast twist would hammer.
You will get a caliber that will most likely burn out a barrel in less than 900 rounds (depending on the barrel maker) of ammo unless you get it hot shooting 300 yard F-Class etc. where you shoot 22 rounds in 20 mins. then maybe 600 rounds. It's good for Gunsmiths like me, i charge $400 for a barrel and $300 to put the barrel on. It's a win win for me. Basically the same principle as the 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC or 22-250 Ackley or 22-243 Middlested or 22-284 and when they burn the throat it's not worth setting the barrel back becasuse it will burn the barrel way forward of the throat as well because of the amount of powder used. 6mm Creed. is already a barrel burner and a .22 Creed?. well, it's way over bore capacity and has a thirst for barrel throats. I and barrel makers will love it.
Way too much of a "Bromance" with his Creedmoor fellow.
Basically the same thing as 22-243 middlestead which uses a 243 case. Barrel life is a major concern with 22-243 22 cheetah or any of these short action 22s.
22 grendel based on the 220 russian - 6mm br - 6.5 grendel line seems to be the way to go, more reasonable velocities with good barrel life shooting the same bullets.
If you really want the speed and can deal with 1500 round barrel life, 22 creed / 22-243 middlestead seems to be the best option for a very high velocity very high bc bullet shooting a 90 grain.
I hear the 22-243 is really finicky to tune in for accuracy
Seems like the more I watch this channel, we’ll it would not exist without the guy on the right side of the screen. He is the brain of the operation.
The guy closest to the screen tries to be a smart, but gets corrected,
The guy in the back is like the little brother or friend who just wants his opinion heard that know one takes seriously.
Anyways I’ve subbed, liked! Keep up the great content.
Would like to know more detail about this cartridge.
I think the 223 WSSM can beat it in ballistics
i want somebody to make a .10 caliber creedmoor with a 100 grain bullet and see what happens😂. But honestly, considering my low level of knowledge and zero level of loading/reloading, have wondered if any adventurous wildcatter out there ever tried to make something small than the .17 hornet, like a .15, or .10.
Love it. Running a 22 inch barrel with 80.5 gr Bergers at 3400fps. Replaced my 22-250.
Where did you get the barrel?
Absolutely loved shooting this round. And after about 500 rounds my barrel was a smooth bore, which gave it a wonderful old school musket feeling. Lmfao. Jkjk.
B.S. in place of range testing. WOW! 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
So, the 250-3000 Savage is the 300 Savage necked down to 25. The 6.5 Creedmoor is basically the 300 Savage necked down to 6.5 The 22-250 is the 250 Savage necked down to 22, how is the 22 Creedmoor not a 22-250? People will spend there money on anything.
Use to be 22-250 but now it’s 22 Creedmoor. But if I am at night it’s 300 blk or 8.6 blk! Both hammers on dogs
This sounds like another novelty chambering of no real benefit. 6.5 CM necked down? Seriously? Sounds like a serious barrel burning recipe. There are skready high BC 6 to 7mm rounds FAR more suitable from hunting and long range work. For vermin control we already have the .204 Remmy.
I don’t buy it that such a tiny bullet even with high bc could perform as well in wind as a larger cal equivalent. Shooting live animals past 4 to 500 yds simply isn’t humane. Animals move and few people are as good a shot as they claim to be.
I’ll be sticking with my “decrepid” .223 and 6.5’s thanks.
88 gr ELD SR25 0.4 MOA is better then All AR15s and 6.5 Creed out to 800.
38% flatter then 147gr 6.5
Trans @ 1600.
#1 rifle in the world.
Gentleman I built a 22 Creedmoor out of a Savage Action, Boyd A-1 stock. It will be my Varmit match rifle when it’s windy a 6.5-284 Savage 12 Sheline barrel.
Fast forward to 2024: Hornady just officially put this caliber in SAAMI and is manufacturing it.
What happened to the 224 vaulkerie?
Nepotism no doubt. These creedmore guys are just a bored as PO ackley was. The poor little 22 two freaking 50 !! No matter what guys... the 22 caliber bullet cannot buck the wind like the 24 or 25. High muzzle velocity that peeders out right quick yall ! You guys are comical in between the subject at hand... but hey wildcat away ! Almost a howard stern show without the vulgarity.
Sounds like it’s pretty much a higher bc shooting .22-250 or .220 swift. Both of which are commercially available still. How interesting.
So the 22 Creedmoor is worthless, beyond 600 compared to 6.5 ,30 cals? I'm interested, to know. 90 .224 smk has got to go fast to catch 6 5, or 30 at a grand. If .224 90 grainer can get to 3400 it might, jackets blow up easy that fast though.
If at .224 90grainer can bust the wind in 22 dasher at 3150,
22 Creedmoor would be hard on brass at 3350+ right or wrong?
Unfortunately here in NC all bottle neck cartridges must be .24 caliber or larger to hunt white tail....(irrelevant here but straight wall cases must be .357 mag or larger)....I've always wanted to use my .22-250 for does but alas illegal if caught.
Best coyote round out there. I shoot 77gr. Nosler RDFs at 3500 fps. Sub 1 inch groups at 400yds. Absolute smokeshow
This cartridge is extremely over bored, IMHO. What you gain in a flat trajectory and very high velocity, you give up in barrel life. So, why utilize an over bored cartridge in .22 when you can achieve better ballistics and barrel life with a slightly larger caliber in 6mm or better yet, 6.5mm? I guess I’m drawn to longevity in barrel and better external ballistics than lighting fast velocities and burnt out throats.
Bc aside. If you're looking at grains, and wanting a 90 grain 22. You can put a 90 grain 6.5 and save yourself another rifle purchase. But then again.. who doesn't want another rifle.
You guys kill me with bigger case and smaller bullets are always better. My little 17 squirrel is a 22 hornet cut down to .995, necked down to a 17. Caliber bullet shoots a 25 gr 3300 FPS with just 5 grains of powder! That’s 1000 rounds on just a pound of powder. That’s something to get excited about.
This no different than taking a 338 win mag and necking it down to a 30-338 win mad. Necking a 7 Remington mag case down to 264 win mag. The 338 win mag is the parent case to those calibers. Horady is doing the same thing.
How about stick a 75gr pill in a 22-250 with 1in9 twist barrel! I'll check it out when it's standardized, until then I will keep killing deer and coyotes with the 22-250 rem.
Nothing to see here move along. It's all been done before. 22-6mm Remington, .22-243 Middlestead, etc.. Both are faster. I got nothing against it per se, but we don't need any new cartridges at this point. Total saturation of many new cartridges that don't do anything any better than what we already had. If any are better it's certainly marginal, and nothing ground breaking. How about they concentrate on keeping the demand for what we have now met.
So basically a 22-250. Just like 6.5 credmor is basically a 260 Remington.
Great, now I have to buy a 22 creedmore too
I have played with the thought of rebarreling my 22-250 when its burned out. However I've shot a 22-250 since I was a kid and is one of my favorites. I have enjoyed watching these talks and was curious if you could do one on the wssm cartridges 243 wssm, 223 wssm, 25 wssm?
That's a great idea mate
I think Weatherby just came out with their new version of this cartridge as well not to long ago. Would be nice to compare them
Does this mean that .22 PRC is coming soon? 3,800 - 4,000 FPS possible?
I like the show guys. But.....
With all the deadpan sarcasm, flat expressions, rhetorical pauses on statements.... you're all just too dull and expressionless. Almost no one chuckles or laughs, not much for smiles, the tones drone flatly from most of you.
Work to make the commentary a little more colorful.
So I'm a total newbie, please excuse my ignorance. Something like this would require a custom built rifle?
Definitely a cool cartridge I just had a 22-250AI built with a 1:7 twist to hunt coyotes at long range and white tail deer 250ish yards and in. I was looking hard at the 22 Creedmoor but I've always loved the 22-250REM so I went with the 22-250AI. Great video guys as always keepem coming!!!
My .22-250 is a laser beam of death down here in south TEXAS. Drops critters with authority.
@@DaveL9170 I'm right here in SW Louisiana... Out of curiosity is your 22-250 have a fast twist barrel or are you using the standard 1:14 or 1:12 twist??? But I agree I've killed tons of coyotes, deer, and hogs with a standard 22-250 only problem is I have 3 of them and wanted something different. The only thing that kept me from going to a 22 Creedmoor is I shoot a good bit and figured I'd burn the barrel out much faster then my 22-250REM or 22-250AI...
I have to ask; if the 224 Valkerie failed so quickly, what makes this so relevant? Especially if no 22 that has been more powerful then a 22-250 has had widespread success.
.22-250 with Hammer bullets might be replacing my .308win for hunting
.375 Raptor in 100 Grain is flatter then .22 Creedmoor out to 500m in 11.5 inch SR25 tho.