“Drinking made me depressed, and being depressed made me drink, and I couldn’t get out of it” Literally couldn’t have explained it better. Been there before myself, glad we’re both sober now. Surfing definitely saved me as well.
Could not agree more! Watching content from both for many years. One of Kale's old surfing tips video - sending to all my friends who want to advance in surfing. Ben - just a great example that you can surf anything anywhere and still have fun.
I am sincerely stocked to see my 2 favorites UA-camr and surfers reunited during a simple and genuine organic discussion. This also what surfing is about. Thank you both for sharing your experience. I hope you enjoy France! You always be welcome in my country. Bonne chance pour la suite 🙏🏼
... Watched the 2nd half; - very much appreciate (both of u'z) for delving deeply into yourselves and insider's perspective of "Pro" surfing - (both Then and Now)... BG' is akin to an actor or musician that u' like - root for him to make every barrel, feel his pain when he's injured, always look forward to what's-next. Never thought i'd hear him speak so candidly about some of this stuff... "Good humor gets you through it" is an awesome quote and one to (hopefully) emulate. Love when Mr. Brock says "I've seen you post Air-Rev's" - classic casual response : "I ken do-em", Epic... Guess i'm in a "weird-spot", (commenting on Y.T.) - somewhere between being "Core-Surfer" and realizing my days in the line-up are (nearly) History. Part of what makes me a Fan of y'allz is re-living/remembering what it's like to be out in the water and "Not give a F*^k". Time flies when having Fun, treasure those moments... Surprised to hear "pretty much quit skateboarding"; saw a few B.G. vids' in which he skated, sad to hear he bagged it. Also, the episode where he meets up with Mr. Bam', and they skate Ben's alma-mater State - (South Philly). Didn't realize he was a huge fan of Mr. Margera'. (Shame when we meet our heroes' and they don't stack-up as hoped)... VERY stoked to hear of Mr. Gravy's musical aspirations. I see huge potential there; classic Post-Punk style - love his Lyric's... Has the perfect persona' to blend surf stylings' with the 4-chord chug of post-modern punk influence. Love to see him form a band and let-it-rip, would be awesome. (Seems like there's somewhat of a ready-made following/audience, as well)... Easier said than done, of course - especially when your other "Career" takes up most of your time. ("Surfing's My Job"), lol - Well, you both have THE job everyone wants !!! - Good Luck and Best Wishes
Awesome! Kale, the way you present information, your tone and articulation etc, is perfectly suited to interviewing and podcasting imo. Can’t wait to watch it once set up.
I'm an alcoholic Veteran who spent his late 30's homeless in Hawaii. 6 years after finding a fellowship of people who have the same problem, I'm finishing up my MBA and starting my own business which incudes surf and content creation. Good on ya Ben. No real upside to the drinking thing for me now that I can see it clearly haha. Let me know when you boys come out here. Got lots of little spots to show ya.
Definitely have found it hard to navigate how I view you guys, listening to you both talk about how you approach your job and what it's like to be a youtuber is admirable - cant be easy but you both ride it out with positivity, that's great. Maybe I was jealous after all! I'm a coastal scientist who looks at sand bank transportation and the impacts of sand movement on our coatlines. It would be cool to talk to either of you. I think sciences can be undermined on youtube sometimes.
I move to San Sebastian 6 month ago & started learning surfing here, learning many thing from your channels guys. Then I spotted new videos that you are currently surfing nearby, so glad to see such great surf bloggers from States & Australia showing that beautiful places & surf spots to the world. The only thing I afraid is that in few month or so - it will be tricky to find a free surfline, because it may get crowdy here soon😁 Such great reviews of Basque & French ocean cost you are doing 👍🏻
Love both of you guys, I live south of Gravy in Florida. I am recovering from injuries and am currently trying to follow Ben’s path to surfing again. The dream would be to live like both of you and surf everyday 😊 you both are ambassadors of surfing and being positive
So glad this happened. This video was pure gold from start to finish. Stoked that you guys got to link up and I can only imagine the time you had in France. So many interesting thoughts and points made but the think that hit the hardest was how both of you guys feel (or maybe felt) like you didn't fit in. So looking forward to the next time you guys get together. 🌺❤️🤙
I've never watched one of Ben's clips but if he ever does the WSL live scoring stream I'm cancelling all plans and DIALING IN😂very real conversation with a lot of resonance points!
Love the talk and following both your journeys, hope you keep doing what makes you happy. I'll enjoy the ride with you both for as long as you'll indulge us. P.S. my wife and I live in Christchurch, New Zealand, would be stoked to see you guys around for a chat or surf :)
... I'm guessing my original comment got deleted because i used the "K" word - (k*^k) - {The Y.T. 'bots mistake common surf-slang as Racism'/Spam (i suppose)}... This "conversation" hit home in many ways - i've been a casual B.G. fan for about 5 or 6 years now. Grew up surfing around the area Mr. Gravy currently lives, (late 70's/80's). Stumbled onto one of his vid's here on Y.T. - and gradually became more interested in the back-story. You covered so much ground here, (just in the first half); he must like you a lot to dive that deeply into his past, and very personal experience(s). There's so much Surfing food-for-thought here, very unique perspectives... I love the spot you chose. Graffiti in the back-drop - Driftwood out-front; stick a tripod in the sand and have-at-it. Also, how you weaved the surfing-clips of the two-man session into the over-all production, Nice... (That was a heavy and gnarly beach-break), lol... I'll comment a bit more (once i watch the 2nd-half)... As mentioned, there's a lot to ponder and digest - i'll try to keep it Pertinent - Keep Surfing
Ben - you should add little snatches of yourself playing punk-folk guitar (and singing?) for a bit of a different flavour in your vlogs - I'd love to see that. Kales - great interview! Pair of legends.
... Left an overly long Comment that got axed' - Sorry if i annoyed anyone, (certainly don't intend to)... Watched the first 30 minutes (or so). Cool Interview, (love the back-drop and surfing beach-break clips). Great questions and well-thought answers, (by both sides)... Surf or Die'
The only 2 youtubers that I follow,❤ and I follow them because I believe them, you can see how much they love what they do in each video due to the dedication and commitment they put in, the others (except Nathan Florence adn family🙌❤️), are cocky kids whit a lot of circus aroound and super shalow.At least this is what I think, but I also respect other opinions of course.
In the beginning, I didn't really like you both. I come from that old school, surfing industry aggro gatekeepers you talk about. Grew up competing with all the 80s/90s Pro surfers in Australia. Only to walk away from it all.The industry were not ready for the freemarket of youtube vloggers. Kooks they would say. But which is really the roots of surfing. (Freedom, Aloha, Mana, Fun) Over the years, you both have changed my mind, you are both positive, role models. Especially, now with the massive changes in the surfing industry, AI, internet. Hope to catch you guys in the surf.
Having said all that, I get why Herdy said that. He is laser focused on the CT/QS. Because that's his job. Same as a carpenter, electrician, nba, mlb player should be serious. Not mad at the guy.
There’s something I want to dissect here: I’m in the generation between the anointed and self-appointed. For example, The Momentum generation were anointed by industry. Your generation, Ben and Kale, was self-appointed. You guys made yourselves in the industry via persistence, and the anointed, via perseverance, were selected by the generations and guys who created the industry. I say, “perseverance”, because there was no real industry to slide into without having to hang on through extremely difficult periods economically, when surfing was more a right of passage than a hobby being sold at a Big 5 Sporting Goods store. So the guys before them who were building the industry, selected who were gonna be the stars of it to represent the next generation. You had to be vetted, approved of, and battle tested over the long haul, to be sponsored. There was no self promotion then at all, and good luck trying. You, Ben and Kale, are the products of a different world, the digital world, and were able to use that to force it to happen. And more power to you as far as I’m concerned. It’s sort of how mainstream media is dead because it broke its own rules and the digital warriors filled the vacuum essentially. Being that I’m in the middle generationally, the guys above me had to approve us yet, in the line up, did you know your history, do you show up enough to earn it, to you push through injuries or quit when the going gets tough. Mind you, that was just for approval from the guys who ran the tribe then and too had to go through rights of passage. Maybe globalism is sorta your generation’s great fortune, but imagine you’re a Hawaiian and a bunch of Haoles from Australia move in and disrespect your rules of engagement. I think that’s sort of how you guys, Ben and Kale, have to frame it to be contextually honest. Yeah times are changing, but, “you know da rules”, as surfers. And I’m sure you’ve fallen on both sides of the fence in the lineup yourselves. You can’t be perpetually welcoming to every non-dedicated kook, but you do want to make a living. For example, I surf here in Hawaii everyday with guys a lot older than me, at a shortboard break. I had to earn a spot in the line up over several years of behaving. Today, the waves had a shit direction, so the longboarders who are total dicks to everyone at their longboard break, ended up invading our break, surfing like longboarders with zero awareness of the shortboard etiquette and lineup, and ruined the break for the regulars who surf it day in day out, rain or shine. No one was stoked. Everyone felt like a displaced Hawaiian, or at least how you imagine they feel as they regularly express themselves and let it be known. I think the process of, “becoming”, a surfer, is changing, and the debate is: does that ruin the value of membership?! And prior to the, “anointed”, of surfing commodifying surfing, it was kapu to do so culturally, except that the anointed, after putting my generation through their customs of initiation, sold surfing out for a profit, from the premise of: “we are the anointed and EARNED the right to sell it”. It would be something like George Washington saying America shouldn’t have borders now, since he earned a right to say so having defeated the British. I don’t think these concepts of culture and tradition, in surfing specifically, have been negotiated properly, irrespective of globalism being here whether we like it or not, seemingly. Since they haven’t been properly negotiated, of course you’re gonna get hate, because if you’re not George Washington, then how do you have the proper authority or conceptualization of context to decide what is and isn’t the nation? And that’s just the thing that you two are talking about here, from your side of the fence. I think you’re doing a good job. It is however, my generation, the guys in their 40s who were forced to comply with the old rules before the rules were then changed without a vote to Chinafy surfing and sell it as a product with no rules, no traditions, no gatekeepers…sorta like the story of Hawaii itself, where surfing was created. Ironic. No?!
It's insane to see how much much the surfing community has grown since I was a kid in the 2000s. It's always been a famous culture but it was much more niche too. And now because of the 'self-appointed' generation it's moved into the mainstream and captured the awe and fascination of more people. It's definitely brought it's negatives like overcrowding and overcommercialisation, but it's earned more respect from people too
@ 100! Yeah, I don’t even think crowding is the issue, but rather the lack of awareness that surfing is a culture with deep traditions and rules, and you’d think before you pulled up to participate in anything, especially in the age of digital information, you’d do some homework. I had to do that long before smart phones. Doing the homework is like the baseline for entry into the club, and demonstrates that you’ve got enough of an interest to be out in the lineup so that as you become a surfer, you’re not injuring others or being a nuisance. I surf a pretty gnarly spot here, that because a surf school does lessons on the whitewash inside, every beginner things they’ll paddle out when it’s 5’ overhead and slabbing off the shelf. And because there’s lulls often they make it out, but only to be in way over their heads, often not even knowing it, to be flung off the lip at you with their longboards flying as your mid bottom turn doing 30mph to pull up and around a gnarly drain section that’s double overhead. I had my foot fracture from that scenario. I had two friends almost lose eyes. I ran over a guys leg at full speed because he didn’t duck nor paddle nor holler at fight light with sun in my eyes. It just becomes a major problem and basically the spot is ruined. Imagine surfing a slabby draining fast wave with 50 longboarders who just got lessons, all paddling from the shoulder when it’s well overhead and the break is on rocks and less than 3’ deep. It’s not cool. I guarantee you if they knew who Tom Curren was or could band give brick layers and why they’re important to surfing and the culture, they wouldn’t be getting locals hurt because of their ignorance. I get that everyone starts somewhere, but again, sorta believe that all us guys went through rights of passage, and earned a place, we didn’t show up ignorant and totally oblivious thinking we were simply entitled. And it’s the same at skateparks. There was order and respect happening, you didn’t get your way with the park just cause you showed up. F, we even have a sign up at our because with the rules posted and no one reads them. They’ve been up for decades. And also, what’s the value of membership now? Or the value of the respect you get from outsiders? Yeah we’re all humans but we’re not all accepted into every club or part of every club. And that’s fine. Do you get to be a black belt immediately cause you want to and saw Bruce Lee, or do you pass belt tests after doing lots of homework? Can you be in any Motorcycle club? Or are you vetted and tested? Idk. Maybe I’m old school because the old school spanked us nastily and didn’t let us get away with breaking rules and turning what they loved into a commodity…even though they did just that eventually for $ themselves.
@@KalesBroccoli I enjoyed hearing you and Ben chat. I thought it was great. I’m about a decade older it sounds, so I’m in the middle of something changing rapidly. But, I’m highly impressed by both you and Ben. You’re very articulate and thoughtful, and have good life philosophies. It’s actually impressive really and a source of pride and hope for me, as a dude that just out in front of you guys a bit generationally. I’m a bit worried about the next gen frankly, and it’s because they aren’t gonna have what I had, and so too the gens before. The latter part of your chat was more like a chat about being a man in the world, and facing the things that dudes in their 20s and 30s face. So in that regard, it appears that spiritually, as humans, not much has changed there despite the rapidly evolving digital world making the generational chasm seem wider than it might be.
... Nice to see someone who leaves LONGER commentary than myself !!, lol ~ I read every word, (and Reply's)... Very cool to see Mr. Kales' takes time to Reply to so many of the "Comments" here... I went through exactly what you describe; transitioning from being a casual Grommet', {(in Cape May and Atlantic County(s)} - (Mid to late 70's). Then engaging the "Big-Time" at Casino Pier (Seaside Heights'), and Manasquan-Inlet' (up north); into the 80's/90's (and beyond). Can't tell you how tough a line-up that was to crack (as a full-on "Outsider"). Both peaks' being extremely "focused" - The Pier complete insanity because you had to miss the corner Piling by inches on your bottom turn. (If you kooked' it more than once, u' were likely getting an ass-beating, flattened tires; - and/or just being permanently banished to the 3rd-Peak on the inside)... Squan' got crazy too, taking off straight over huge rocks right next to the Jetty'. (King Gravy would have Excelled) !!! - You mention "Rules", but be cautious - Surfer's are rule-breakers through-and-through - it's who we are, (most of us, i'm guessing)... I was too young-and-dumb (at the time) to even consider "Localism"/Hierarchy' in surf line-ups. (Probably a good thing). The difference was i knew how to surf, so "acceptance" was more easily swallowed (by the "Heavy's"). And those guys were HEAVY !! - (I'm sure you know, being an Hawaii' regular). There are PLENTY of line-ups all around this Globe that are super-heavy, (obviously Pipe' topping that List); doesn't get much heavier than Hawaii and Jersey though. (In terms of pure cut-throat aggression). Malibu' comes to mind (on a good day). Cali' dudes are a bit more forgiving though, it's their "Nature". (Thank Goodness)... Anyway, hope this "Reply" isn't TOO long, (i can make it longer), lol - and yeah; fully agree with the concept of doing "Homework" before charging into established Surfing hot-spots, (regardless of what board your on)... Circa. 1980 (or so), the idea of Localism' wasn't really a thing (or just beginning to be) - at least here in Jersey. {I know that was before your time}... My youthful and naive' nature had me thinking that NO-ONE "owns" any wave (or waves); which gave me the full-on exclusive right to try to catch any wave i wanted (to try to catch)... Bold way to think for a stupid 16 y.o. - but as mentioned, i knew how to surf. (And fully respected) things like line-up etiquette, seniority, pecking-order; - you could pretty much figure out REAL FAST who to NOT piss-off, Haww'... {The size of the person (and muscles) figured highly into that equation, lol}... Never liked the term Etiquette', (even though i'm an avid golfer). {Love playing Golf in bare-feet, Birdwell's, and Tony Hawk T-Shirt - lol}... Anywaze - i enjoyed your Comment (and Reply's); should be more people around here that can pen more-than-one sentence !! ~ Surf or Die'
traditional surf media likely went from ripping Ben Gravy, and other youtubers, to then realizing he is ahead of the curve, outearning legitimate surf pros on tour, then had to watch in shock and awe as the seasoned surf pros took his example, and proceeded to promote themselves, minimizing the impacts of the brands, and surf media, now they puff him up cause they're worried if more people follow his format, it could essentially make them obsolete.....greedy brands had it coming
Long time Gravy fan and I have seen some of Brock's videos over the years and always thought he seemed like a good dude. I'm in my late 40s, grew up skateboarding and eventually surfing. I like that BG does his own thing and does not care about whether some guys think it's cool or not to ride soft tops. It's really a pretty vacuous argument that is rooted in some pretty basic tribal thinking. None of it inherently means anything. I'd rather watching someone cruise down a wave with some style and and some smooth turns and get some barrels then guys repeatedly smashing the lip, which aesthetically is pretty unattractive to me. Airs are cool but ultimately it's just different forms of expression and you should just do what makes you happy. Being hung up on what material a board is made is pointless and arbitrary. Great interview.
... Good Point (about Smooth-Turns and Style), the root of Surfing. And maybe you've seen how ole' Cap'n Gravy is riding the soft-tops less-and-less these days. (Unless he's inches away from a huge wall, or giant Rock's). Not much sense risking a favorite "hard-top" on a weak (but dangerous) Novelty Wave - Keep Surfing'
2nd trip around the lunar cycle (28)is a typical shifting point for many adults. Women start to biologically itch for children and men either step up or spin out. In my opinion of course
I m in a spot where I can't surf as often as I'd like. So, thanks for your videos. They bring me closer to the feeling even if Im not in the water. BTW I loved the chat, people talk one way or the other and we've all being in that moment.
I'm a surf addict injured right now. for the third time in a row. I feel like I'm spinning on the wheel of sansara and I just can't get off. life is meaningless and I hate everything about myself.
... No, your Ok' - he's talking about Old-Timer's that leave one VERY long Paragraph, (like me ??), haha' ~ Regardless, i've always thought Surfing and Weirdness go hand-in-hand... Be weird, Go Surfing !!
“Drinking made me depressed, and being depressed made me drink, and I couldn’t get out of it” Literally couldn’t have explained it better. Been there before myself, glad we’re both sober now. Surfing definitely saved me as well.
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two of my favorite surf channels together. very cool
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Could not agree more! Watching content from both for many years. One of Kale's old surfing tips video - sending to all my friends who want to advance in surfing. Ben - just a great example that you can surf anything anywhere and still have fun.
Great candid conversation! Very cool to see two creators just asking questions they are genuinely interested in to each other!
KB + BG = I am back at having fun with surfing, skateboarding, "whatevering", thank you both!
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Kale does a podcast but it’s the best surfing podcast on UA-cam
Haha thank you 🙏🏽
Very good interview.
Everybody needs a Sunday roast! With broccoli and gravy respect🍍🥦 passionate people 💯🧄
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Listened to the whole thing. Great stuff! Love the candor
Thank you!
This was a great interview. I’ve followed you both for a while and loved that you connected in France. Well done.
Loved this. Great conversation and format.
Love this. One of the best vlogs I’ve listened to.
I am sincerely stocked to see my 2 favorites UA-camr and surfers reunited during a simple and genuine organic discussion. This also what surfing is about. Thank you both for sharing your experience.
I hope you enjoy France! You always be welcome in my country.
Bonne chance pour la suite 🙏🏼
Great collaboration. Really enjoyed this. I wish surf culture had more of both your attitudes.
love this. keep doing what your doing!. Ben please come visit Australia soon. peace
Really glad you both are collaborating. 🤙🏻🏄🏻♂️
Great interview interaction.Will definitely look forward to Ben joining you in Australia. I want to see Ben get a perfect Snapper Rocks wave.✌️🌊🏄♂️
Bloody great insight and raw interview kale and ben. gives me alot of hope!! Love both of your channel's keep ripping legends!!!!
Stoked you enjoyed it 🤙🏽 thanks matey !!
Great people ❤❤
Two beautiful souls.
I love this channel so much!
Thanks for watching, stoked you enjoyed it 🙏🏽
... Watched the 2nd half; - very much appreciate (both of u'z) for delving deeply into yourselves and insider's perspective of "Pro" surfing - (both Then and Now)... BG' is akin to an actor or musician that u' like - root for him to make every barrel, feel his pain when he's injured, always look forward to what's-next. Never thought i'd hear him speak so candidly about some of this stuff... "Good humor gets you through it" is an awesome quote and one to (hopefully) emulate. Love when Mr. Brock says "I've seen you post Air-Rev's" - classic casual response : "I ken do-em", Epic... Guess i'm in a "weird-spot", (commenting on Y.T.) - somewhere between being "Core-Surfer" and realizing my days in the line-up are (nearly) History. Part of what makes me a Fan of y'allz is re-living/remembering what it's like to be out in the water and "Not give a F*^k". Time flies when having Fun, treasure those moments... Surprised to hear "pretty much quit skateboarding"; saw a few B.G. vids' in which he skated, sad to hear he bagged it. Also, the episode where he meets up with Mr. Bam', and they skate Ben's alma-mater State - (South Philly). Didn't realize he was a huge fan of Mr. Margera'. (Shame when we meet our heroes' and they don't stack-up as hoped)... VERY stoked to hear of Mr. Gravy's musical aspirations. I see huge potential there; classic Post-Punk style - love his Lyric's... Has the perfect persona' to blend surf stylings' with the 4-chord chug of post-modern punk influence. Love to see him form a band and let-it-rip, would be awesome. (Seems like there's somewhat of a ready-made following/audience, as well)... Easier said than done, of course - especially when your other "Career" takes up most of your time. ("Surfing's My Job"), lol - Well, you both have THE job everyone wants !!! - Good Luck and Best Wishes
Ben and Kale for the dream !! 🔥🤙
So fun to listen to, Love all your work Kale, starting a pod would be massive. thank you for being such good role models.
I’m building a studio in my new house :)
Awesome! Kale, the way you present information, your tone and articulation etc, is perfectly suited to interviewing and podcasting imo. Can’t wait to watch it once set up.
I'm an alcoholic Veteran who spent his late 30's homeless in Hawaii. 6 years after finding a fellowship of people who have the same problem, I'm finishing up my MBA and starting my own business which incudes surf and content creation. Good on ya Ben. No real upside to the drinking thing for me now that I can see it clearly haha. Let me know when you boys come out here. Got lots of little spots to show ya.
Love this. Two legends telling it how it is.
Thanks !!
The best collab in UA-cam history! Freakin love you guys!
Thank you!
What a nugget of a video, the real synchronicities of life expressed in an interview. cheers.
Definitely have found it hard to navigate how I view you guys, listening to you both talk about how you approach your job and what it's like to be a youtuber is admirable - cant be easy but you both ride it out with positivity, that's great. Maybe I was jealous after all! I'm a coastal scientist who looks at sand bank transportation and the impacts of sand movement on our coatlines. It would be cool to talk to either of you. I think sciences can be undermined on youtube sometimes.
I move to San Sebastian 6 month ago & started learning surfing here, learning many thing from your channels guys. Then I spotted new videos that you are currently surfing nearby, so glad to see such great surf bloggers from States & Australia showing that beautiful places & surf spots to the world. The only thing I afraid is that in few month or so - it will be tricky to find a free surfline, because it may get crowdy here soon😁 Such great reviews of Basque & French ocean cost you are doing 👍🏻
Two of my favourite surfers, fantastic conversation that I think all casual surfers can totally relate to. Thanks for the upload Kale. Yew!!
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Love both of you guys, I live south of Gravy in Florida. I am recovering from injuries and am currently trying to follow Ben’s path to surfing again. The dream would be to live like both of you and surf everyday 😊 you both are ambassadors of surfing and being positive
Love this. Thanks so much and good luck on the recovery path 💪🏽
Love this so much. Thanks for doing it.
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Thoroughly enjoyed this content.
Would love to see more of this format. Cheers.
WSL needs to hear this and get Gravy on as an announcer for an event.
Very good possibly the start of something amazing. Really good balance between the two.
Much appreciated!
Such a great listen. Thanks for making this happen, hope there’s more talks like this to come!
Appreciate it 🙏🏽
You’re a good host. More of these please
For the dream! Yew!!!
The duo I never knew we needed! Epic video! 🤙
Broccoli and pineapple - roasted
So glad this happened. This video was pure gold from start to finish. Stoked that you guys got to link up and I can only imagine the time you had in France. So many interesting thoughts and points made but the think that hit the hardest was how both of you guys feel (or maybe felt) like you didn't fit in. So looking forward to the next time you guys get together. 🌺❤️🤙
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Ben gravy building sandcastles w the kale broccoli interviewing is gold 😂
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I wasn't sure what to expect but this was a great time, thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've never watched one of Ben's clips but if he ever does the WSL live scoring stream I'm cancelling all plans and DIALING IN😂very real conversation with a lot of resonance points!
I reckon we should call it together
Ya'll need a weekly pod, this was awesome. "The Sandbox" 🔥
Appreciate that, we’ll see what happens! 🎙️
Interesting chat lads... glad you made it happen
Appreciate it! 🙏🏽
Awesome interview boys!
Two legends chewing the fat!
Stoked on it 🤙
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Love the talk and following both your journeys, hope you keep doing what makes you happy. I'll enjoy the ride with you both for as long as you'll indulge us. P.S. my wife and I live in Christchurch, New Zealand, would be stoked to see you guys around for a chat or surf :)
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Loved this inspiring
This was amazing love you both!!
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I'm a big fan of both of you guys. Great video. Really cool insights into the surfing industry and your lives behind the scenes.
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Best collab ever, so much valuable life advice 🤙, good to know I'm not too old to be fidgeting with sand as well!
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... I'm guessing my original comment got deleted because i used the "K" word - (k*^k) - {The Y.T. 'bots mistake common surf-slang as Racism'/Spam (i suppose)}... This "conversation" hit home in many ways - i've been a casual B.G. fan for about 5 or 6 years now. Grew up surfing around the area Mr. Gravy currently lives, (late 70's/80's). Stumbled onto one of his vid's here on Y.T. - and gradually became more interested in the back-story. You covered so much ground here, (just in the first half); he must like you a lot to dive that deeply into his past, and very personal experience(s). There's so much Surfing food-for-thought here, very unique perspectives... I love the spot you chose. Graffiti in the back-drop - Driftwood out-front; stick a tripod in the sand and have-at-it. Also, how you weaved the surfing-clips of the two-man session into the over-all production, Nice... (That was a heavy and gnarly beach-break), lol... I'll comment a bit more (once i watch the 2nd-half)... As mentioned, there's a lot to ponder and digest - i'll try to keep it Pertinent - Keep Surfing
2 genuine cool guys. Keep it up 🤙
Thank you 🙌
Ben’s the man! We Do Recover!
Gonna be epic!
Two legends!
Ben - you should add little snatches of yourself playing punk-folk guitar (and singing?) for a bit of a different flavour in your vlogs - I'd love to see that. Kales - great interview! Pair of legends.
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not a SINGLE dislike on this video. need a 10 hour version!!!!!!
Ah thank you
been sober for 10 months- best decision of my life.
Really enjoyed this Kale! Could be the start of a new collaboration. Surfings new 'Odd Couple'🤣
😂 nothing odd about a broccoli pineapple roast
@ 🤣🤣not at all. Love that analogy 🤣
Genuine and honest,✌️
great stuff guys. i resonate with a lot of this
Appreciate it 🙏🏽
@ one of these days I hope to take a barrel riding course with you
This was so good! Cheers guys🎉
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Great choice of camouflage with the graffiti gents love it keep on keepin on 🤗🤗
😅😅 always workin with what we got haha
The best crossover
You should start a pod that was fun to listen to
Thank you!!
Waiting for the epic NZ van trip video drop from this pair.
Haha give it a couple years !
I like the way you overlaid the interview over the surfing Kale
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two great fucking human beings! thats what the title should be..... haha MASSIVE VIBES TO BOTH U LEGENDS! LETS KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE BABY!!
😅 what a podcast name !
Epic Convo boys, I really enjoyed it.
Thanks lyle!
Two of my hero
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... Left an overly long Comment that got axed' - Sorry if i annoyed anyone, (certainly don't intend to)... Watched the first 30 minutes (or so). Cool Interview, (love the back-drop and surfing beach-break clips). Great questions and well-thought answers, (by both sides)... Surf or Die'
🙏🏽🙏🏽 Appreciate you watching!
@@KalesBroccoli Thanks M8', I'll check out more of your Content moving forward. Any friend of Mr. Gravy is a friend of mine ...
This was a really good idea
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good stuff
The only 2 youtubers that I follow,❤
and I follow them because I believe them, you can see how much they love what they do in each video due to the dedication and commitment they put in, the others (except Nathan Florence adn family🙌❤️),
are cocky kids whit a lot of circus aroound and super shalow.At least this is what I think, but I also respect other opinions of course.
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Great convo 🤙
Thank you ❤️
Dope!
In the beginning, I didn't really like you both. I come from that old school, surfing industry aggro gatekeepers you talk about. Grew up competing with all the 80s/90s Pro surfers in Australia. Only to walk away from it all.The industry were not ready for the freemarket of youtube vloggers. Kooks they would say. But which is really the roots of surfing. (Freedom, Aloha, Mana, Fun) Over the years, you both have changed my mind, you are both positive, role models. Especially, now with the massive changes in the surfing industry, AI, internet. Hope to catch you guys in the surf.
Having said all that, I get why Herdy said that. He is laser focused on the CT/QS. Because that's his job. Same as a carpenter, electrician, nba, mlb player should be serious. Not mad at the guy.
Thanks Josh! ❤️
I also get their point. On the other hand, crowds and kooks have never been so big... guess we just have to adapt to the new situation 😅
There’s something I want to dissect here: I’m in the generation between the anointed and self-appointed. For example, The Momentum generation were anointed by industry. Your generation, Ben and Kale, was self-appointed. You guys made yourselves in the industry via persistence, and the anointed, via perseverance, were selected by the generations and guys who created the industry. I say, “perseverance”, because there was no real industry to slide into without having to hang on through extremely difficult periods economically, when surfing was more a right of passage than a hobby being sold at a Big 5 Sporting Goods store. So the guys before them who were building the industry, selected who were gonna be the stars of it to represent the next generation. You had to be vetted, approved of, and battle tested over the long haul, to be sponsored. There was no self promotion then at all, and good luck trying. You, Ben and Kale, are the products of a different world, the digital world, and were able to use that to force it to happen. And more power to you as far as I’m concerned. It’s sort of how mainstream media is dead because it broke its own rules and the digital warriors filled the vacuum essentially. Being that I’m in the middle generationally, the guys above me had to approve us yet, in the line up, did you know your history, do you show up enough to earn it, to you push through injuries or quit when the going gets tough. Mind you, that was just for approval from the guys who ran the tribe then and too had to go through rights of passage. Maybe globalism is sorta your generation’s great fortune, but imagine you’re a Hawaiian and a bunch of Haoles from Australia move in and disrespect your rules of engagement. I think that’s sort of how you guys, Ben and Kale, have to frame it to be contextually honest. Yeah times are changing, but, “you know da rules”, as surfers. And I’m sure you’ve fallen on both sides of the fence in the lineup yourselves. You can’t be perpetually welcoming to every non-dedicated kook, but you do want to make a living. For example, I surf here in Hawaii everyday with guys a lot older than me, at a shortboard break. I had to earn a spot in the line up over several years of behaving. Today, the waves had a shit direction, so the longboarders who are total dicks to everyone at their longboard break, ended up invading our break, surfing like longboarders with zero awareness of the shortboard etiquette and lineup, and ruined the break for the regulars who surf it day in day out, rain or shine. No one was stoked. Everyone felt like a displaced Hawaiian, or at least how you imagine they feel as they regularly express themselves and let it be known. I think the process of, “becoming”, a surfer, is changing, and the debate is: does that ruin the value of membership?! And prior to the, “anointed”, of surfing commodifying surfing, it was kapu to do so culturally, except that the anointed, after putting my generation through their customs of initiation, sold surfing out for a profit, from the premise of: “we are the anointed and EARNED the right to sell it”. It would be something like George Washington saying America shouldn’t have borders now, since he earned a right to say so having defeated the British. I don’t think these concepts of culture and tradition, in surfing specifically, have been negotiated properly, irrespective of globalism being here whether we like it or not, seemingly. Since they haven’t been properly negotiated, of course you’re gonna get hate, because if you’re not George Washington, then how do you have the proper authority or conceptualization of context to decide what is and isn’t the nation? And that’s just the thing that you two are talking about here, from your side of the fence. I think you’re doing a good job. It is however, my generation, the guys in their 40s who were forced to comply with the old rules before the rules were then changed without a vote to Chinafy surfing and sell it as a product with no rules, no traditions, no gatekeepers…sorta like the story of Hawaii itself, where surfing was created. Ironic. No?!
Appreciate this perspective!
It's insane to see how much much the surfing community has grown since I was a kid in the 2000s. It's always been a famous culture but it was much more niche too. And now because of the 'self-appointed' generation it's moved into the mainstream and captured the awe and fascination of more people. It's definitely brought it's negatives like overcrowding and overcommercialisation, but it's earned more respect from people too
@ 100! Yeah, I don’t even think crowding is the issue, but rather the lack of awareness that surfing is a culture with deep traditions and rules, and you’d think before you pulled up to participate in anything, especially in the age of digital information, you’d do some homework. I had to do that long before smart phones. Doing the homework is like the baseline for entry into the club, and demonstrates that you’ve got enough of an interest to be out in the lineup so that as you become a surfer, you’re not injuring others or being a nuisance. I surf a pretty gnarly spot here, that because a surf school does lessons on the whitewash inside, every beginner things they’ll paddle out when it’s 5’ overhead and slabbing off the shelf. And because there’s lulls often they make it out, but only to be in way over their heads, often not even knowing it, to be flung off the lip at you with their longboards flying as your mid bottom turn doing 30mph to pull up and around a gnarly drain section that’s double overhead. I had my foot fracture from that scenario. I had two friends almost lose eyes. I ran over a guys leg at full speed because he didn’t duck nor paddle nor holler at fight light with sun in my eyes. It just becomes a major problem and basically the spot is ruined. Imagine surfing a slabby draining fast wave with 50 longboarders who just got lessons, all paddling from the shoulder when it’s well overhead and the break is on rocks and less than 3’ deep. It’s not cool. I guarantee you if they knew who Tom Curren was or could band give brick layers and why they’re important to surfing and the culture, they wouldn’t be getting locals hurt because of their ignorance. I get that everyone starts somewhere, but again, sorta believe that all us guys went through rights of passage, and earned a place, we didn’t show up ignorant and totally oblivious thinking we were simply entitled. And it’s the same at skateparks. There was order and respect happening, you didn’t get your way with the park just cause you showed up. F, we even have a sign up at our because with the rules posted and no one reads them. They’ve been up for decades. And also, what’s the value of membership now? Or the value of the respect you get from outsiders? Yeah we’re all humans but we’re not all accepted into every club or part of every club. And that’s fine. Do you get to be a black belt immediately cause you want to and saw Bruce Lee, or do you pass belt tests after doing lots of homework? Can you be in any Motorcycle club? Or are you vetted and tested? Idk. Maybe I’m old school because the old school spanked us nastily and didn’t let us get away with breaking rules and turning what they loved into a commodity…even though they did just that eventually for $ themselves.
@@KalesBroccoli I enjoyed hearing you and Ben chat. I thought it was great. I’m about a decade older it sounds, so I’m in the middle of something changing rapidly. But, I’m highly impressed by both you and Ben. You’re very articulate and thoughtful, and have good life philosophies. It’s actually impressive really and a source of pride and hope for me, as a dude that just out in front of you guys a bit generationally. I’m a bit worried about the next gen frankly, and it’s because they aren’t gonna have what I had, and so too the gens before. The latter part of your chat was more like a chat about being a man in the world, and facing the things that dudes in their 20s and 30s face. So in that regard, it appears that spiritually, as humans, not much has changed there despite the rapidly evolving digital world making the generational chasm seem wider than it might be.
... Nice to see someone who leaves LONGER commentary than myself !!, lol ~ I read every word, (and Reply's)... Very cool to see Mr. Kales' takes time to Reply to so many of the "Comments" here... I went through exactly what you describe; transitioning from being a casual Grommet', {(in Cape May and Atlantic County(s)} - (Mid to late 70's). Then engaging the "Big-Time" at Casino Pier (Seaside Heights'), and Manasquan-Inlet' (up north); into the 80's/90's (and beyond). Can't tell you how tough a line-up that was to crack (as a full-on "Outsider"). Both peaks' being extremely "focused" - The Pier complete insanity because you had to miss the corner Piling by inches on your bottom turn. (If you kooked' it more than once, u' were likely getting an ass-beating, flattened tires; - and/or just being permanently banished to the 3rd-Peak on the inside)... Squan' got crazy too, taking off straight over huge rocks right next to the Jetty'. (King Gravy would have Excelled) !!! - You mention "Rules", but be cautious - Surfer's are rule-breakers through-and-through - it's who we are, (most of us, i'm guessing)... I was too young-and-dumb (at the time) to even consider "Localism"/Hierarchy' in surf line-ups. (Probably a good thing). The difference was i knew how to surf, so "acceptance" was more easily swallowed (by the "Heavy's"). And those guys were HEAVY !! - (I'm sure you know, being an Hawaii' regular). There are PLENTY of line-ups all around this Globe that are super-heavy, (obviously Pipe' topping that List); doesn't get much heavier than Hawaii and Jersey though. (In terms of pure cut-throat aggression). Malibu' comes to mind (on a good day). Cali' dudes are a bit more forgiving though, it's their "Nature". (Thank Goodness)... Anyway, hope this "Reply" isn't TOO long, (i can make it longer), lol - and yeah; fully agree with the concept of doing "Homework" before charging into established Surfing hot-spots, (regardless of what board your on)... Circa. 1980 (or so), the idea of Localism' wasn't really a thing (or just beginning to be) - at least here in Jersey. {I know that was before your time}... My youthful and naive' nature had me thinking that NO-ONE "owns" any wave (or waves); which gave me the full-on exclusive right to try to catch any wave i wanted (to try to catch)... Bold way to think for a stupid 16 y.o. - but as mentioned, i knew how to surf. (And fully respected) things like line-up etiquette, seniority, pecking-order; - you could pretty much figure out REAL FAST who to NOT piss-off, Haww'... {The size of the person (and muscles) figured highly into that equation, lol}... Never liked the term Etiquette', (even though i'm an avid golfer). {Love playing Golf in bare-feet, Birdwell's, and Tony Hawk T-Shirt - lol}... Anywaze - i enjoyed your Comment (and Reply's); should be more people around here that can pen more-than-one sentence !! ~ Surf or Die'
Heavy claims! For the win!
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I find it funny about this video is they are posing as junk surfers… but they are great surfers by most standards! Great video 🎉
Legendssss
Thank you 🙏🏽
Actually nice listening to you in a normal role and not the professional UA-camr role, which both of you often play in your videos
Always trying to keep it real though!
4 me you guys are pro surfers🎉
You guys are fuckin legends keep it up❤
Thank you !
traditional surf media likely went from ripping Ben Gravy, and other youtubers, to then realizing he is ahead of the curve, outearning legitimate surf pros on tour, then had to watch in shock and awe as the seasoned surf pros took his example, and proceeded to promote themselves, minimizing the impacts of the brands, and surf media, now they puff him up cause they're worried if more people follow his format, it could essentially make them obsolete.....greedy brands had it coming
I just returned from San Sebastian. Nice place but the water was f. Kn freezing.
Gravy on broccoli... strange dish indeed but kinda tasty 😂
Are you in Donosti? OMG!
Da Boyz
Start a podcast!!
Building a studio in my new home :)
Mixing Brocolli with Gravy
Nothing like some gravy on your broccoli 🥦
Long time Gravy fan and I have seen some of Brock's videos over the years and always thought he seemed like a good dude. I'm in my late 40s, grew up skateboarding and eventually surfing. I like that BG does his own thing and does not care about whether some guys think it's cool or not to ride soft tops. It's really a pretty vacuous argument that is rooted in some pretty basic tribal thinking. None of it inherently means anything. I'd rather watching someone cruise down a wave with some style and and some smooth turns and get some barrels then guys repeatedly smashing the lip, which aesthetically is pretty unattractive to me. Airs are cool but ultimately it's just different forms of expression and you should just do what makes you happy. Being hung up on what material a board is made is pointless and arbitrary. Great interview.
... Good Point (about Smooth-Turns and Style), the root of Surfing. And maybe you've seen how ole' Cap'n Gravy is riding the soft-tops less-and-less these days. (Unless he's inches away from a huge wall, or giant Rock's). Not much sense risking a favorite "hard-top" on a weak (but dangerous) Novelty Wave - Keep Surfing'
2nd trip around the lunar cycle (28)is a typical shifting point for many adults. Women start to biologically itch for children and men either step up or spin out. In my opinion of course
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I m in a spot where I can't surf as often as I'd like. So, thanks for your videos. They bring me closer to the feeling even if Im not in the water. BTW I loved the chat, people talk one way or the other and we've all being in that moment.
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Broccoli with extra Gravy please
Surf wales slabs in storm season you KOOKS 🤣 joking both legends
Ben I need the sdcc one!!! Hook a dood up?!?
I'm a surf addict injured right now. for the third time in a row. I feel like I'm spinning on the wheel of sansara and I just can't get off. life is meaningless and I hate everything about myself.
You’ve got this buddy. There’s more to you than surfing 👊🏽
I’m commenting on a UA-cam video, I must be in a weird spot 🙃
😂😂 I do think Ben was referring to a specific type of comment
@ I know just playing
... No, your Ok' - he's talking about Old-Timer's that leave one VERY long Paragraph, (like me ??), haha' ~ Regardless, i've always thought Surfing and Weirdness go hand-in-hand... Be weird, Go Surfing !!
Bam WHO? Fully NukeIdge, Dream Vida! Benny B liKe, "Whrz MYY DADDY!!"
Surf gate keepers tears taste like fine wine chaps :) keep up the good work !
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