Highborn Stadia only can run Supported games since its linux based and it can be posible a option for the Pro Supscription to Sync Steam/uPlay games but there are NO information of any sort of Syncing between librarys on the internet and without that Stadia is for me a Dead on Arival Service
@@PpVolto Even worse. They said the phone release will be locked to Pixel for a period of time. That really kills it since PSNow and Xcloud are planning to release on basically all android and ios phones.
I predicted that there would be a Radeon VII X2 shortly after the Radeon VII was announced at CES in January. Now it seems more likely than ever before, doesn't it?
Spiggle I’m not saying I know for a fact since it’s not out yet. It is it possible that because these GPU dies are connected through infinity fabric, that microstutter could cease to exist? Just like how ryzen cores can communicate with very low latency. I think it’s possible. Also if dx12 would perform as advertised and you could have 1 GPU render one side of the monitor and the other rendered by GPU #2, that could also alleviate the microstutter issue.
@@dylanneff8338 Ray tracing could be an answer for this because it's so easy to parallelise. If a game is completely ray traced then two GPUs would be twice as fast as one, four would be twice as fast again, and so on. Once we move past rasterisation and onto full ray tracing, we'll have chiplet GPUs on infinity fabric for sure.
Nvidia: meet our SUPER, which have 16GBs bandwidth (normal RTX is 14GBs) with same Low-amount of 8GB of GDDR6 for $799 AMD: meet our Pro Vega II Duo,, which has Duel-GPU-Chips and 32GB of HBM2, it's designed for extreme-creators for $1999 Nvidia: what should we do? our RTX Titan's already 24GB & it's $2500, should we release 32GB & charge $4999 for it? or wait for next Gen? Nvidia CEO: Rich people are stupid, we will just paint it with Diamond Color & it will sale like a hot cakes!!
@@majorjockitch Even though nVidia purchased all of 3Dfx's IP, the SLI of the Voodoo 5 5500 (and the never released 6000) was very different from nVidia's version. SLI stood for "scan-line interleave" and combined frames from both GPU's rendered at the same time using this method. Several older 3Dfx cards were also able to use SLI going all the way back to the Voodoo 2 and many professional workstation cards/systems.
@@KannX they can compete, they're architecture is just limiting, since they cant use more than 8 shader engines (or 16 i forgot) they've been limited to 4096 Stream processors where nvidia if they wanted could release a 8192 cuda core full chip on a architecture but would be insanely expensive Gcn is being phased out so the new RDNA architecture should give amd the option of an edge
@@shawnpitman876 Were you talking to me with that " *LONG* before" line? If so; I said "Lessons learned" for a good reason, kid -;) I used to own those inefficient, power-hungry, overheating, easily broken pieces of history you're bringing up. (As well as 2 Voodoo2's in SLI that scaled 100% back in '98 with zero compatibility issues-- Maybe being less of a needlessly aggressive smartass would suit *YOU* next time?) ~Some dude older than you.
Stadia went from a potential console threat to just meh after finding out it isn't just a sub service. You then have to buy the game for $59.99 or lower and then do not even get the option of installing local either. It is a bad deal.
The Radeon Pro Vega II is basically a MI60, so the "Duo" is 2 of them on one board. Given that the MI60 is the MI50's bigger brother, and the Radeon VII is basically a modified MI50, we might see a Radeon VII X2, what do you guys think? In case anyone's interested I have a video about that.
I can't get on any subscription gaming service, as I'd try to spend as many hours as I could of my life gaming to justify the price. Anxiety would just take over all my life and fun. I prefer to buy the hardware/software I can afford, tweak some settings, and play when I can and I feel like to.
1800x / CH6H, 32 GB fast RAM, RAMcaching, SM-961, GTX-1080 and Steam.. I'll pass of Stadia. I'll be upgrading to upper-end Zen 2 / x570 and have been waiting to upgrade my GPU for a long while now. I can afford RTX 2080ti, but wouldn't waste my money. Paying a lot for something is one thing, but if it's not worth it then it's just not.
@@larrygall5831 Upgrading a 1080? Are you going for 4k gaming ?
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a normal gaming system from scratch will cost you around 700$, that will give you Stadia pro sub for 4 or so years and you are buying new games anyway.
@ if you think about it like that, their servers will also be upgrading hardware throughout the years. Realistically, it would be kinda worth it if you're comfortable playing at 60 FPS.
You aren’t getting how big the Radeon Pro Vega 2 Duo development is. Apple apparently modified their OS and several other things so that their computer sees the Duo as just one GPU instead of two. So you could have 2 duos (4 GPUs) and the computer will think it’s just one gpu, similar to how current Ryzen CPUs trick computers to think all ccxs are all one cpu.
Newest dual amd gpu for a long time....except the Radeon Pro V340 (MxGPU) 10 months ago, Radeon Pro Duo Polaris from year before that, The original pro duo the year before that.
the "hook" is hardware renting in the cloud. that's basically what it is with a few extras like potentially free games/discount in the pro sub. you "buy" the game and either play for free at 1080p or pay 10$ a month for 4k
Let me help clairify the PCIe 4.0 conundrum. PCIe 4.0 uses a different trace size and spacing for signal integrity and the older AM4 boards may or may not be able to handle the signal degradation issue PCIe 4.0 presents. A higher quality board is not the issue but how the board was manufactured may allow PCIe 4.0 to function. If I'm not mistaken the newer boards will have wider traces and the spacing is further apart. The wider traces (I believe) is for power dissipation and the trace spacing reduces signal interference between traces or cross talk as it is commonly known. Edit: One thing I forgot to mention is the length of the traces. Due to the higher frequencies the length of the PCIe 4.0 traces is much shorter and this means the slots further away will be too far and signal degradation significant enough to not work. Even in some newer boards only the first slot closest to the CPU will be PCIe 4.0
@@shawnpitman876 I think I miss stated that. In the older boards that would be true if they work at all. In the newer boards the re-routing of the traces may allow for PCIe 4.0 but I stand by the shorter traces part. I was recalling a video I watched explaining that.
@@shawnpitman876 Also, as the frequencies increase the traces develop an inductive resistance thus limiting the length of a trace before the signal is unusable.
Google did say free games will regularly be added to the Stadia Pro subscription, but for now they have just announced Destiny 2. I am not too worried about this library getting filled with good titles, because Google will have to at least match what EA and Microsoft offer with their services and they have the money to do that. Still it's a bit weird they only announced this one game for now. Still, I think this concept has real potential, like Netflix or Spotify.
You don't need to buy the $130 package to get Stadia you can just use Chrome and a Xbox pad, 1080P 60 for free and you just buy games with no need of expensive hardware, or $10 a month for 4K 60 and some free titles coming to the library, you know what while as a high end PC gamer it's not for me but I think it's a fair deal for just a casual gamer, there just trying to snag the real casual console player and the gamers on their Android platform, more options for people to play the games the way they want is a good thing really, most comments I see are people thinking because I don't like or want it no one else should which is just plain silly.
At xmas I go to my parents. I got an old core2quad for them there and bring my gpu but meant I couldn't play ghost recon wildlands well. Now I can just rent stavia for a month? Similarly when I go marketing I brought an i5 5400u laptop with 940m. Not great. In future. Could just rent stadia. However... Key is if can use my current game licences or not. If not.. Maybe they will set the price for nvidia and all the others who would use your own steam or ubisoft library. Although... For marketing the hotel needs fast wifi so maybe not. But we will have 5g phones!
7:48 you got that totally wrong, it's going to be the other way round. Ice Lake is still so far behind in frequency that even its somewhat higher IPC won't do any good. High performance notebooks will have Comet Lake, entry level will be Ice Lake. The highest 10nm frequency Intel announced at Computex was ~4GHz, but they didn't even have working samples at that frequency with them, so nobody knows if or when they'll launch. 10nm is still shit-tier, they had to present 1,3GHz chips to the media.
I can understand the PCIe 4 and x5XX boards only. I have a CH6H / 1800x combo, and I'm going to miss out on daisy-chain memory config if I stay with it and only upgrade to Zen 2. If it didn't use T instead of DC, there would likely be a BIOS hack to enable it.. and maybe there still will be.. but I want to up the memory speed too, and daisy chain is going to be required for exceeding the old limitations. These CPUs are releasing relatively cheap, at least for the performance, but these prices will go down pretty quick soon after release. The boards are going to be a bit more pricey, though.. especially the high-end ones.
Stadia does not make any sense for people who already own good graphics cards. Why pay money for games that you no longer own once you are not subscribed to the service? Sure I am locked to the games I own on PS4 or Xbox but I can also play them offline if my internet goes down. With Stadia, if my ISP or fibre line is having issues, I am out of luck. So not a very tempting option as an exclusive gaming platform.
ISP problems might be a thing for some but also many have no problems, I've had internet since 56K dial up and had minimal problems from then till this day, even if problems over the years filled a week it's nothing over the 30 years it's worked fine.
@@wing0zero True and connection is not even the main point. If it was something like XBOX game pass where we can play any game in their library for 10$-12$ a month, then this subscription may be tempting. But paying a sub on top of paying for games on their platform, does not make sense. You are just paying for stream service plus a random free game every month. If that suits you then fine, but that is not a huge gamer demographic.
You actually will own the games and you don't have to subscribe if you don't want 4k 60fps as 1080 60 is free. The point about connection is valid in places with spotty service or shitty, greedy ISPs.
@@georgereiss5494 I think a subscription will come as the platform grows, their just getting their foot in the door first I think, i could even see Google buying a few studios up for some platform exclusives if it does well enough. P.S I don't want it personally I have a kick ass PC but I do see it's merits for some.
@@wing0zero Sure there are people for which this solution makes perfect sense. I can see that. But the service they are offering right now is not everyone's cup of tea. In order for Stadia to succeed, they need to target much wider audience to become viable solution. Anyone who joins now will be just beta testing it for others. Sort of MS Insiders (Stadia are calling them Founders).
Hoping they'll make a gaming card. The 295x2 was an absolute beast, and when they announced a Fury x2, then at the last second called it the "Pro Duo" and priced it out of gamer's hands, I was very disappointed.
Considering the complete lack of Crossfire support and drivers I highly doubt it. Plus...I had the 295X2 and it was a beast...for the 4 games it could Actualy play,...again terrible drivers and support. Plus it hit 90degrees after 10 mins playing time steadily rising to 95 degrees then the inevitable throttling starts...total nightmare of a card...that old saying once bitten twice shy springs to mind, now with even less Crossfire support than ever then it's a big No thanks, as always it's better to have 1 single powerful card...a very expensive lesson learnt.
@@maydaygoingdown5602 Thats the thing, I had dual Fury cards at one point, and never had issues running Crossfire in most games. Ones that natively supported it ran naturally fine, and ones that didn't, didn't seem to complain when I forced AFR. Of course I am comparing 2 different generations of cards here, as the drivers improved exponentially during the Fury days compared to the 295x2. There are a couple UA-camrs who revisit the 295x2 in today's standards and it seems to have aged decently (like anything else AMD, seems to not be relevant at the time they should be.) But now single cards are performing way better than dual cards have, like the Vega 56 in my laptop does better than the dual Fury ever did, so thats a valid point too. Only way SLi and Crossfire will be worth a damn again, is if it became standard, but I doubt it, too much programming overhead. Plus I see a future of multiple dies on a GPU behaving as one single GPU, which I believe someone mentioned that this Vega II x2 in the Mac Pro will since the memory will be pooled into one instead of being separate due to the infinity fabric.
@Sean Mondout if the latency is incredible, sure. But for now, using a local device is still the best. Besides, I prefer to own a PC rather than 'lease' it by monthly subscription
I like Stadia as a portable gaming option as its going to work on tonnes of devices, However it completly depends on how well it works in the real world
While the latency is an issue, they could pay me $10 a month and I wouldn't be interested. Even local 30 fps gaming is too much latency for many genres of games.
With regard to the latency, most people don't see the main contributing factor. Let's assume a perfect internet connection to that server, kind of. 5 ms of ping, 200 Mbps. That 5 ms added latency is not a dealbreaker to most gamers. Most gamers don't even mind V-sync, something which I can't even comprehend given that it makes a game unplayable to me. With VSync you easily get above 50 ms of input lag. The monitor and mouse also easily add 20 ms for many gamers. However, the big problem for any cloud gaming service like Stadia is this. If you want 4k gaming with only 8-bit color (which Google aims at), then you need 3840*2160*3*8 bits per frame, that 24883200 bytes = 24 MB per frame. Per second this is 60*24=1440 MB=1.44 GB. Google recommends 35 Mbps if I am not mistaken. They need an extremely agressive compression of 43 for this to work. In the case of 1080p every picture contains only 1/4th of the information so that would give a compression rate of 10.7 Never mind that the picture quality deteriorates. A Blu-Ray movie also is compressed by a factor 10-20 so MAYBE a compression rate of 43 is doable? I am pretty certain that you will see it (I notice artefacts in Blu-Ray) but gamers might not care. I know that you can't fully multithread this compression perfectly given the dependencies between the different parts of the picture. You can use something similar to non-linear video editing, cut up the picture in parts and at the end compute how the parts fit together but it will not be 100% multithreaded. That means that you get additional input lag because of the compression. I don't know how much time Google needs to compress 24 MB per frame, it would be surprise me if they needs 5 ms or less for it but who knows. The more CPU cores Google throws at it the more expensive it gets and you have this dependency for pasting the parts of the picture together if you multithread it to avoid nasty looking 'cutlines'. For the demonstration with AC the input lag was 150 ms! That would probably be unplayable for us regular gamers (I can't even stand VSync with 50 ms, in ME2 and ME3 I had to disable that via a configuration file to make the game enjoyable). Maybe for console-gamers or non-gamers it is fine but I don't see many PC enthusiasts use Stadia for non-exclusive games or exclusive games which require a low input lag.
@@EscapeVelo Are you on a DSL connection or something? I have a friend that is, since it's the only thing in his neighborhood. He can't play online competitive games, but it's because the ping is 300-400ms at all times. Sorry to hear that. That sucks. Do you have no other providers to choose from?
@@EscapeVelo Mbps (Megabit per second, Mbit/s or Mb/s) and MBps (Megabyte per second) are diferent, the speed you see when you download are MBps, meanwhile the speed you see on your internet contract are mbps (8x your download speed, is just a selling trick to make you belive you are getting a faster internet). 1 Megabyte/sec is equal to 8 × Megabit/sec. Or 1 Megabit/s = 0.125 Megabytes/s. 3.15 MB/s= 25mb/s (mbps) so you should be fine for 1080p 60fps in stadia Anyway latency is latency, not a good future for stadia if it is too high
@@peterjansen4826 I 100% agree. I think you are be overly generous, but I understand the "perfect internet connection". I've seen hundreds of residential and business connections in my area (PA, USA), and I would say the average ping time is 50ms+. I've seen some in the low 20's, but more often than not it's over 50ms. At least where I live, and I'm sure there's much worse out there, considering the fact that many of the connections are 230-290Mb sustained. No matter what it is though, You're not only doubling the ping time (Input, game responds, and sends it back over the network), but think about how mouse smoothing works, and now think about a constantly variable analog thumb stick on a controller. We're not just talking about a latency you would see locally with the machine tracking your inputs with a decent sampling rate, and then there is something like a frame buffer or screen latency, but a system that has to either do some sort of averaging, or predictive control. I'm not sure how they're tackling it, but the ways I can think of to combat it, just add more latency. The controls would be better, but more delayed. Some of the twitch games out there just would not be viable. No getting high scores in something like One Finger Death Punch. lol. Your point on the compression is absolutely taken. I can't imagine they will be throwing a lot of processing power at the compression, considering the requirements for the game itself. I would imagine they aren't using CPU's for that. They could just be using a hardware solution. similar to a capture card, or the encoder from AMD, but I don't know. They may have a custom solution. I haven't looked into it. I have tested a couple of different solutions on my LAN for streaming, with remote control as well, and even those were just terrible. Fine for non competitive RTS, but Unreal Tournament or CS:GO would be impossible. Those ping times at least were close to what you're talking about. Some games even V-sync will make it less enjoyable for me too. Not all games, but for some it matters more than others. I can't imagine the frame pacing is going to be that great either, which drives me even more crazy than a constant latency.
Just as a heads up, according to Stadia's website, the FREE version will "come" with some games included (a roster of games never to be updated), while the PRO version will come with a constantly-updated library of FREE games, starting with The Division 2. More info here: stadia.com/ You will also be able to purchase newer (possibly AAA) titles for an extra fee, and you'll get to play them even if you cancel your PRO subscription.
You do *not* "have" to buy games for Google Stadia. There is simply an *option* to buy games rather than rent them. Also, Pro will give discounts on buying games.
Dump question... If I have understand right, installing GPU in 1st PCI-E slot is x16, but when installing another device in 2nd PCI-E slot x8, this lower 1st PCI-E slot x16 to x8. Right ? - So is there speed difference with PCI-E generation 3.0 vs 4.0 in x8 line ??
If your motherboards slot is x8 or x16 but reduced to x8 because another slot is beeing used than you have to understand that half of the length on the slot is deactivated. Using a gpu gen3x16 in a x8 slot gives you the same bandwidth as if you were to cut "half" of the gpus x16 connector with a saw (it actually still works all the way down to x1) If you were to do that with a gen4x16 card then you would have a gen4x8 which has the same bandwidth as gen3x16
A gen3x16 gpu in a gen4x8 slot still means half of the gpus pcie pins won't have contact in the x8 slot even though it's gen4 So you only get gen3x8 speeds I heard there are some "converters" from gen3x16 to gen4x8: that would resolve the problem
5:36 - Ive noticed a large amount of ATX Asus boards are identicle, so for example the X370 prime seems to be very similar to the Strix X470-F, this just seems to be a feature thing.
G'day Tim, I have no Interest in Google Stadia, I own a PS2/3/4 & this year built a Gaming PC, I like owning my media & being able to play without relying on the internet, I don't even own any Playstation games that require you being connected to play, I only bought my PS4 for Uncharted & Metro series & the Manager at EB gave me an Awesome deal, but I mainly play PS2/3 games After some research I went with GOG for my Digital PC games & have a couple I got on Disc, the only new release game I have bought is Mutant: Year Zero, & may be interested in Metro: Last Light & Red Dead Redemption II, Also I don't own any 4K TV or monitor & Don't have any plans to as I just upgraded to 1440p so that will last me for years,
I would add a snarky comment about irrelevance, but your comment is too wholesome. Keep it up, man. I can recommend Kingdom Come: Deliverance. You can get the Royal edition now which includes all DLC. Modding support is coming up soon which is going to be awesome for the PC version.
Dual GPU are only out favor becuase they don't really work or scale well, but if infinity fabric works as well as it does on CPU's and scales just as well, then it could be a game changer and the future for GPU's
I think the big thing with stadia is the 'play on any device'. Also supposed to be discounts on games if you have the subscription. Will have to see how much of a discount and how many games (if not all) get them.
From what I've heard, that's only a promise for now. During launch and for some time after, it's only limited to select few google products. People are basically just hyping themselves for things that don't exist.
when running a GPU does it make a difference if you use the 2 in 1 cable or should you run both the pcie cables to the GPU. like mines a 2080, would it work better if I used both cables or just the 1 that splits into two?
No the new mac Pro case does ship with 8/6pin pcie power cables so you can use your own pcie gpu The radeon Pro duo has the second x16 lookalike connect for additional power and that huge crossfire connect now called infinity fabric connector on the other side of the card
For $10 I'd be willing to try Stadia Pro for a month with their limited free game selection but my expectations are low. Unlike the latency people are worried about.
Did you watch the AMD keynote? They had a compute benchmark on it there up against a Cascade 28-core dual socket (so 56 cores total) ($1000 per Intel CPU according to Lisa Su) The Ryzen based CPU completed the task almost twice as fast Also they mentioned a 15% IPC improvement over previous generation, so if that is true I believe AMD will now also be fastest in single/dual core applications as well
@@olliveraira6122 we dont want multi-core benchmarks! we want benchmarks on games like CS-GO...thats where the real world gaming power is tested on 6-8core cpus...
@@ppsarrakisTrue, but the benchmark is still damn impressive, I feel it must have very strong cores to outperform 2 28 core Intel cascade CPUs in an application that can accelerate the entire Intel CPUs If the single core performance is better than the best intel equallent today, Im quite sure I will get one :3
Stadia - my impressions is that it's too expensive, esp. once one factors in the bandwidth requirements and then further takes into account bandwidth data caps. I'm pretty sure I know a lot of ISP's that will be pretty excited at the money it'll bring in for them.
@Hardware Unboxed people seem really excited about x570 boards but will the price premium be worth it considering x470 and b450 are said to OC to same? Especially since very few PCIe uses so far?
@@Koeras16I think the only people who will really want and need an X570 are the ones going out and buying the 12 and 16 core parts. I will be willing to bet that the 3600, 3700 and 3800 will run just fine and overclock OK on most compatible boards.
@@Tallnerdyguy It's not needed for compatibility, you can use a Pci-e gen3 card in a gen1 slot no problem, and vice versa, I don't imagine gen4 is any different.
I think a subscription game streaming is a good idea if well maintained (and not dropped like Google's other projects).... However the lack of choice to own games and play should one's internet goes down, makes it a no for me dog Oh, and not to mention the amount of data which would be problematic for those in the US and with other ISPs that have data caps at about 1tb/mo
multi gpu might be different this time, its infinity fabric, and if "pro" consoles step up their game, that might be the only viable option(bigger chips=lower yields=higher cost) and if that happens, industry will move that way, and so the multigpu wars begin! hopefully it wont get stuck on quads for a decade /s
That 470 pcie 4 news sucks.... I have a very expensive top of the line motherboard and was looking forward to being able to upgrade the CPU, and considering the benches of AMD's Navi's on pcie 4 at computex, I would have been happy to upgrade the PSU and GPU.... but, since they're being a **** about it, I'm just going to wait until NVidia release their 7nm, pciE 4 cards, whenever that will be.
i thought the bare wall with lights was actually kinda nice and clean, not that this look is bad. i guess a little more character shines through with the goodies in the back.
I feel like if the X570 boards become much pricier because of the greater "effort" that manufacturers put in them it might even hurt the AM4 platform in the short run..... I actually planned to update to X570 from my X470 but after seeing the prices for some of those new boards.....yeah no.
@Barindra Bal They would definitely wont be as cheap as their x470 counterparts, even the low end boards, people think buying amd is cheaper all around, but i dont think that would be the case anymore
Stadia = Nope Best case, it peters out and is forgotten like OnLive. Worst case, it becomes the default evolution of "games as a service" further eroding customer's property rights.
You actually don't need to pay upfront that's just for an early access and controller bundle (plus a Chromecast). You actually don't even need the controller as on a PC browser you will be able to use keyboard and mouse. Also the paid Pro subscription does give you access to free games "regularly" (whatever that means, probably monthly) similar to PlayStation Plus or Xbox Gold. This service should be interesting due to Google's infrastructure which is probably the most extensive network in the world. If anyone can do it it would be Google, but if they can't get it to work with all of there network it won't ever happen I think as the only networks capable of this level of traffic and that have this many local links are Google, Amazon, Microsoft (Azure), maybe Facebook, and a few of the Chinese Internet giants.
For Stadia your not obligated to buy their controller or the package...you just need a chrome cast and a controller or mouse and keyboard.. also Stadia is pretty simple if you know what it is... you are basicly renting a High end PC and thats it
And the chrome cast is only needed for TV use. Otherwise a regular chrome tab works just fine. So you can basically use it for free and only need to get the games,
€10 / month for 4K60 seems like a good deal to me. If the games are there, of course. That remains to be seen. No need to upgrade hardware or buy consoles ever 2-5 years. No 144 Hz or 1 ms input lag, but that's not really something I care that much about. So yeah, it's interesting. Hopefully it will evolve from there.
Stadia or services like this might have their place, but with infrastructure not being that great in most of the world, it's hard to imagine it getting over that limitation without even getting into the topic of ISP restrictions and beyond that, latency. It might have a much better foothold in places like Japan or Korea where their distances are small and network excellent, but there's a lot of challenges. Beyond that, I can see it having a place as a companion for certain things, but nothing that requires any sort of latency sensitivity. If you've already used anything like Steam local streaming or PS4 to PSVita streaming, even with latencies sub 1ms, it still wasn't an optimal experience to be had. It's harder to imagine the internet ever overcoming that. There's also something to consider that as games move further into higher refresh rate gaming for the most superior and optimal gaming experience, internet streamed games are only going to feel that much worse even if they manage to overcome all those significant barriers. I think something like Stadia might be okay to try games out that you will then buy for any local hardware. I should also add this about Stadia, I don't like the idea of it. Maybe it's a traditionalist mindset, but having physical copies and physical rights to hardware and 'software' I suppose is always preferable. I'm okay with Steam and the like, but there's a lot of games that I can see being lost forever when they die.
Stadia would be totally useless to me due to my connection in my apartment being limited at peak hours. Plus, why would one buy a subscription, and then have to buy games on top of that? The only game that comes with the service is going Free to Play on Steam anyhow, and it doesn't even seem like one that would put the service in it's best light. I don't see this service lasting past 5 years without some radical pricing changes and major advancements in latency issues, or it goes to more casual games.
Google Stadia sounds like a terrible idea. Having to pay $130 initially then $10 a month for the subscription to play at 4k 60fps, IF you have the internet speed to do so, and still having to pay full price for games just sounds dumb. At that point, you might as well just spend the money to buy an Xbox One X or PS4 Pro. Better yet, just wait for the next generation of consoles, or build your own PC. Idk, Stadia sounds like a big money pit to me. Can't imagine a ton of people signing up for it.
On the topic of the stadia. I have a PS4 from early 2014, it's at the end of its life so right now I'm looking to move on. Within the next year I'll have options like the ps5, Stadia, etc. The Stadia is really appealing because 1 all i need is a Chromecast, controller, and internet to play. 2 the price for a chromecast is a lot less then a console. 3 I don't have to worry about local storage. Now as for the game store, if it's connected to something like steam or the epic game store, so I don't have to re buy titles, that would be the final selling point I need
AMD does not seem to have control over what software features vendors add. See: Athlon overclocking. How do we know they’ll have to comply with disabling PCIe 4.0? Looking at you, MSI.
Had a horrible nightmare the other night. With bitcoin in general making a small comeback, can a fully loaded iMac Pro 2019 compete with ASIC machines or regular mining rigs? And IF so, will that dry up the supply for chips required for the dual-GPU card? Causing a cascade effect with other GPU supplies?
Stadia may be a good "demo" and "try it" platform which then may lead to buying the game on Stadia or other platforms. Also some mobile/on the go gaming could be handy with it.
@@nrincon96 It's to be expected that the Stadia API will allow implementing demo/free access to games. They were talking about that play button on a YT video. So a demo for X minutes or until X progression could be used to showcase the game and get people to buy.
@@riklaunim but then why would someone wish to spend 10$ to demo games only once for say only 2 hrs per game Edit: assuming theyre using stadia for the purpose you mentioned in the original comment
@@nrincon96 1080p is free. You can check a game on Stadia at 1080p and then go to Steam and buy it and play at whatever settings, or buy it at stadia and play it at 1080p or also get the sub to play at 4K.
Yes, thanks for the 'unboxing' video it allowed me to further train the youtube algorithm to not ever show me any stupid 'unboxing' videos ever again along with linus's video.
I love how now that AMD has the tech to make dual GPUs, they are avoiding it like the plague. Infinity fabric is literally the answer to making them work and now it's like "lol nope"
5:38 So after years of confusing consumers with their chipset and processor names and series , now is the time to not do something because it might be too confusing ...
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How many "lakes" can be left for Intel to name their stuff. Lava Lake, Potty Lake, Vapor Lake are bound to be used at some time in the near future.
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@@shawnpitman876 _@RaidrWolf maybe its to signify architectural similarities in the processors?_ Could be. But doesn't that indicate they haven't changed much of anything since 2015 when Skylake was released and don't seem to be scheduled for anything really new for at least another year, provided that's of the same architecture as you say? If not, wouldn't it indicate that "Skylake" being one word instead of two indicate two different architectures with the word "lake" in it? Also, aren't they calling an arguably completely different architecture reported as "comet lake"? So, I don't think so. They just tack on the word "Lake" to whatever they do apparently. I think they are infatuated with the word "lake", for whatever reason that isn't readily clear.
Well, with Stadia, it might not be for or available to everyone, but it had a good chance to succeed. There has been ongoing talks in regards to how the next gen consoles will be priced due to the trade war with China. It just might be the affordable option that gamers (mostly casual or p/up & play) will flock to
Stadia will be super weak. $10 a month just to buy games on top of that, with probably a bunch of latency, lag, and "system down" messages. I am good with my 2080ti.
@@shawnpitman876 Anyone who didn't really pay attention to technology, yeah. I wouldn't doubt that. I was more interested in the fact it streamed things when it came out. I also figured it wasn't going to stick, and look where we are now.
I don't think Google stadia is designed for PC gamers, it's designed for people who can't afford expensive PC hardware. They would rather pay a low monthly fee instead of making a huge $600+ down payment for a new computer. There's definitely a market for it. I do kind of wish they went the Netflix route though with a library of you can play what you feel like and still have the free option but use the free option of the service as a you have to purchase the video games you want to use with it. Always give consumers good options and they will be happy
It is lovely that DaVinci Resolve works with AMD on Apple, I wish that they would fix it for Linux too. The last hurdle for Linux. DaVinci Resolve is a lot better than Adobe Premiere, we Linux folks who use an AMD card want to be able to use it.
DaVinci takes ages to render or just export as another format on Windows... I haven’t tried it on Linux, but I imagine it’s probably half the render times, although even that would be slow compared to most other render tools (goodness, Vegas Pro feels like a snail, but even it is faster). I may have to test out some new editing tools when I play around with Ubuntu Studio distro.
@@jakegarrett8109 I am not an expert in video-editing but as I understand it it has much more to do with the features than with the speed. With regard to speed and stability Adobe Premier Pro is a piece of trash, yet they keep using it because of all of those plugins. DaVinci Resolve is the nr. 1 editor in the movie-business. Yes, if you want it fast and it can be simple, then KDEnlive is fine.
If stadia works on my Steam library it's cool i guess, but if you need to buy it ON stadia then meh. I've a vega64 anyways
Highborn Stadia only can run Supported games since its linux based and it can be posible a option for the Pro Supscription to Sync Steam/uPlay games but there are NO information of any sort of Syncing between librarys on the internet and without that Stadia is for me a Dead on Arival Service
@@PpVolto Even worse. They said the phone release will be locked to Pixel for a period of time. That really kills it since PSNow and Xcloud are planning to release on basically all android and ios phones.
@@PpVolto With proton it isn't as bad as many would believe. It is allowing more and more games to run on linux.
I agree, if I could use my steam games then I would be on board, but for the limited selection and having to rebuy games... It is a hard pass.
@@bryku if you already have a gaming pc and games... why would you want Stadia?
Takes me back some of the best GPUs I ever had were AMD duel GPU. Would love to see them return.
5970X was my last Dual GPU and was amazeballs
Dual GPU means micro stutter, though my 8800 GT's were pretty good. Rather buy a single high end card now.
I predicted that there would be a Radeon VII X2 shortly after the Radeon VII was announced at CES in January. Now it seems more likely than ever before, doesn't it?
Spiggle I’m not saying I know for a fact since it’s not out yet. It is it possible that because these GPU dies are connected through infinity fabric, that microstutter could cease to exist? Just like how ryzen cores can communicate with very low latency. I think it’s possible. Also if dx12 would perform as advertised and you could have 1 GPU render one side of the monitor and the other rendered by GPU #2, that could also alleviate the microstutter issue.
@@dylanneff8338 Ray tracing could be an answer for this because it's so easy to parallelise. If a game is completely ray traced then two GPUs would be twice as fast as one, four would be twice as fast again, and so on. Once we move past rasterisation and onto full ray tracing, we'll have chiplet GPUs on infinity fabric for sure.
Thank you thank you thank you for the time stamps. You guys make my life easier and you’re quickly becoming one of my favorite tech channels.
Nvidia: meet our SUPER, which have 16GBs bandwidth (normal RTX is 14GBs) with same Low-amount of 8GB of GDDR6 for $799
AMD: meet our Pro Vega II Duo,, which has Duel-GPU-Chips and 32GB of HBM2, it's designed for extreme-creators for $1999
Nvidia: what should we do? our RTX Titan's already 24GB & it's $2500, should we release 32GB & charge $4999 for it? or wait for next Gen?
Nvidia CEO: Rich people are stupid, we will just paint it with Diamond Color & it will sale like a hot cakes!!
😂😂😂😂
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Aren’t the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD family? Either way it’s a win win for them and consumers.
@@soapynop distant cousins I think?
I remember my Voodoo 5500. Wasn't that dual-GPU, or just dual-chip? I remember that it had two separate chips and fans on it and it was super long.
Yeah , voodoo invented SLI , then Nvidia bought everything , and we didn't see SLI until years later. And it was a dual GPU.
Interesting card. According to wikipedia it seems to be dual GPU using the original SLI tech.
@@rednammoc the good days of 3dfx!
You mean the Voodoo5 9000 shown here? Beast if a card.
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@@majorjockitch Even though nVidia purchased all of 3Dfx's IP, the SLI of the Voodoo 5 5500 (and the never released 6000) was very different from nVidia's version. SLI stood for "scan-line interleave" and combined frames from both GPU's rendered at the same time using this method. Several older 3Dfx cards were also able to use SLI going all the way back to the Voodoo 2 and many professional workstation cards/systems.
Game streaming is and always will be a no go for me.
AMD putting their lessons learned with Zen in multichip-design to use in their GPU business?
**Fingers Crossed**
Their single chip gpus can't compete with nVidia so they're gonna make dual gpu card.
@@KannX they can compete, they're architecture is just limiting, since they cant use more than 8 shader engines (or 16 i forgot) they've been limited to 4096 Stream processors where nvidia if they wanted could release a 8192 cuda core full chip on a architecture but would be insanely expensive
Gcn is being phased out so the new RDNA architecture should give amd the option of an edge
@@shawnpitman876
You look like some dopey-ass 24 yr old using his Tinder photo for UA-cam. Calling people 'kid', lol, get out of here.
@@TropicChristmas XD well said
@@shawnpitman876 Were you talking to me with that " *LONG* before" line? If so; I said "Lessons learned" for a good reason, kid -;) I used to own those inefficient, power-hungry, overheating, easily broken pieces of history you're bringing up.
(As well as 2 Voodoo2's in SLI that scaled 100% back in '98 with zero compatibility issues-- Maybe being less of a needlessly aggressive smartass would suit *YOU* next time?)
~Some dude older than you.
Stadia went from a potential console threat to just meh after finding out it isn't just a sub service. You then have to buy the game for $59.99 or lower and then do not even get the option of installing local either. It is a bad deal.
The Radeon Pro Vega II is basically a MI60, so the "Duo" is 2 of them on one board. Given that the MI60 is the MI50's bigger brother, and the Radeon VII is basically a modified MI50, we might see a Radeon VII X2, what do you guys think? In case anyone's interested I have a video about that.
Last dual-gpu I had was 5970. Was forced to change due to lack of drivers for win10
Mine was 3870x2
my first gpu was dual gpu it was the HD 4850x2
I can't get on any subscription gaming service, as I'd try to spend as many hours as I could of my life gaming to justify the price. Anxiety would just take over all my life and fun.
I prefer to buy the hardware/software I can afford, tweak some settings, and play when I can and I feel like to.
I mean it WOULD be pretty cool to have a subscription for games like netflix and not paying for a cloud service.
1800x / CH6H, 32 GB fast RAM, RAMcaching, SM-961, GTX-1080 and Steam.. I'll pass of Stadia. I'll be upgrading to upper-end Zen 2 / x570 and have been waiting to upgrade my GPU for a long while now. I can afford RTX 2080ti, but wouldn't waste my money. Paying a lot for something is one thing, but if it's not worth it then it's just not.
@@larrygall5831 Upgrading a 1080? Are you going for 4k gaming ?
a normal gaming system from scratch will cost you around 700$, that will give you Stadia pro sub for 4 or so years and you are buying new games anyway.
@ if you think about it like that, their servers will also be upgrading hardware throughout the years. Realistically, it would be kinda worth it if you're comfortable playing at 60 FPS.
You aren’t getting how big the Radeon Pro Vega 2 Duo development is. Apple apparently modified their OS and several other things so that their computer sees the Duo as just one GPU instead of two. So you could have 2 duos (4 GPUs) and the computer will think it’s just one gpu, similar to how current Ryzen CPUs trick computers to think all ccxs are all one cpu.
i'd bet amd's margins on the vega II pro duos are insanely higher than the radeon VII
Newest dual amd gpu for a long time....except the Radeon Pro
V340 (MxGPU) 10 months ago, Radeon Pro
Duo Polaris from year before that, The original pro duo the year before that.
the "hook" is hardware renting in the cloud. that's basically what it is with a few extras like potentially free games/discount in the pro sub. you "buy" the game and either play for free at 1080p or pay 10$ a month for 4k
Let me help clairify the PCIe 4.0 conundrum. PCIe 4.0 uses a different trace size and spacing for signal integrity and the older AM4 boards may or may not be able to handle the signal degradation issue PCIe 4.0 presents. A higher quality board is not the issue but how the board was manufactured may allow PCIe 4.0 to function. If I'm not mistaken the newer boards will have wider traces and the spacing is further apart. The wider traces (I believe) is for power dissipation and the trace spacing reduces signal interference between traces or cross talk as it is commonly known. Edit: One thing I forgot to mention is the length of the traces. Due to the higher frequencies the length of the PCIe 4.0 traces is much shorter and this means the slots further away will be too far and signal degradation significant enough to not work. Even in some newer boards only the first slot closest to the CPU will be PCIe 4.0
@@shawnpitman876 I think I miss stated that. In the older boards that would be true if they work at all. In the newer boards the re-routing of the traces may allow for PCIe 4.0 but I stand by the shorter traces part. I was recalling a video I watched explaining that.
@@shawnpitman876 Also, as the frequencies increase the traces develop an inductive resistance thus limiting the length of a trace before the signal is unusable.
still got a 3870 x 2 sitting on the shelf. Ran bad company 2 like a beast
That's a good one to put in a shelf. I've got a gtx295 and some HIS radeons on a shelf above my computer.
Mine 3780x2 is still working in a Server!
Google did say free games will regularly be added to the Stadia Pro subscription, but for now they have just announced Destiny 2. I am not too worried about this library getting filled with good titles, because Google will have to at least match what EA and Microsoft offer with their services and they have the money to do that. Still it's a bit weird they only announced this one game for now.
Still, I think this concept has real potential, like Netflix or Spotify.
You don't need to buy the $130 package to get Stadia you can just use Chrome and a Xbox pad, 1080P 60 for free and you just buy games with no need of expensive hardware, or $10 a month for 4K 60 and some free titles coming to the library, you know what while as a high end PC gamer it's not for me but I think it's a fair deal for just a casual gamer, there just trying to snag the real casual console player and the gamers on their Android platform, more options for people to play the games the way they want is a good thing really, most comments I see are people thinking because I don't like or want it no one else should which is just plain silly.
At xmas I go to my parents. I got an old core2quad for them there and bring my gpu but meant I couldn't play ghost recon wildlands well. Now I can just rent stavia for a month? Similarly when I go marketing I brought an i5 5400u laptop with 940m. Not great. In future. Could just rent stadia.
However... Key is if can use my current game licences or not.
If not.. Maybe they will set the price for nvidia and all the others who would use your own steam or ubisoft library. Although... For marketing the hotel needs fast wifi so maybe not. But we will have 5g phones!
@@shawnpitman876 can get a cheap huawei lol :)
7:48 you got that totally wrong, it's going to be the other way round. Ice Lake is still so far behind in frequency that even its somewhat higher IPC won't do any good. High performance notebooks will have Comet Lake, entry level will be Ice Lake. The highest 10nm frequency Intel announced at Computex was ~4GHz, but they didn't even have working samples at that frequency with them, so nobody knows if or when they'll launch. 10nm is still shit-tier, they had to present 1,3GHz chips to the media.
I can understand the PCIe 4 and x5XX boards only. I have a CH6H / 1800x combo, and I'm going to miss out on daisy-chain memory config if I stay with it and only upgrade to Zen 2. If it didn't use T instead of DC, there would likely be a BIOS hack to enable it.. and maybe there still will be.. but I want to up the memory speed too, and daisy chain is going to be required for exceeding the old limitations. These CPUs are releasing relatively cheap, at least for the performance, but these prices will go down pretty quick soon after release. The boards are going to be a bit more pricey, though.. especially the high-end ones.
The chiplet design of Navi could very easily mean duel gpu cards again. This could be how and takes on Nvidia in the high end.
Stadia does not make any sense for people who already own good graphics cards. Why pay money for games that you no longer own once you are not subscribed to the service? Sure I am locked to the games I own on PS4 or Xbox but I can also play them offline if my internet goes down. With Stadia, if my ISP or fibre line is having issues, I am out of luck.
So not a very tempting option as an exclusive gaming platform.
ISP problems might be a thing for some but also many have no problems, I've had internet since 56K dial up and had minimal problems from then till this day, even if problems over the years filled a week it's nothing over the 30 years it's worked fine.
@@wing0zero True and connection is not even the main point. If it was something like XBOX game pass where we can play any game in their library for 10$-12$ a month, then this subscription may be tempting. But paying a sub on top of paying for games on their platform, does not make sense. You are just paying for stream service plus a random free game every month. If that suits you then fine, but that is not a huge gamer demographic.
You actually will own the games and you don't have to subscribe if you don't want 4k 60fps as 1080 60 is free. The point about connection is valid in places with spotty service or shitty, greedy ISPs.
@@georgereiss5494
I think a subscription will come as the platform grows, their just getting their foot in the door first I think, i could even see Google buying a few studios up for some platform exclusives if it does well enough.
P.S I don't want it personally I have a kick ass PC but I do see it's merits for some.
@@wing0zero Sure there are people for which this solution makes perfect sense. I can see that. But the service they are offering right now is not everyone's cup of tea. In order for Stadia to succeed, they need to target much wider audience to become viable solution. Anyone who joins now will be just beta testing it for others. Sort of MS Insiders (Stadia are calling them Founders).
Will you guys be reviewing the Asus VG32VQ when it launches? I'm really excited about the whole 'ELMB-SYNC' thing, and your monitor reviews are great~
Hoping they'll make a gaming card. The 295x2 was an absolute beast, and when they announced a Fury x2, then at the last second called it the "Pro Duo" and priced it out of gamer's hands, I was very disappointed.
Considering the complete lack of Crossfire support and drivers I highly doubt it.
Plus...I had the 295X2 and it was a beast...for the 4 games it could Actualy play,...again terrible drivers and support.
Plus it hit 90degrees after 10 mins playing time steadily rising to 95 degrees then the inevitable throttling starts...total nightmare of a card...that old saying once bitten twice shy springs to mind, now with even less Crossfire support than ever then it's a big No thanks, as always it's better to have 1 single powerful card...a very expensive lesson learnt.
@@maydaygoingdown5602 Thats the thing, I had dual Fury cards at one point, and never had issues running Crossfire in most games. Ones that natively supported it ran naturally fine, and ones that didn't, didn't seem to complain when I forced AFR.
Of course I am comparing 2 different generations of cards here, as the drivers improved exponentially during the Fury days compared to the 295x2. There are a couple UA-camrs who revisit the 295x2 in today's standards and it seems to have aged decently (like anything else AMD, seems to not be relevant at the time they should be.)
But now single cards are performing way better than dual cards have, like the Vega 56 in my laptop does better than the dual Fury ever did, so thats a valid point too.
Only way SLi and Crossfire will be worth a damn again, is if it became standard, but I doubt it, too much programming overhead. Plus I see a future of multiple dies on a GPU behaving as one single GPU, which I believe someone mentioned that this Vega II x2 in the Mac Pro will since the memory will be pooled into one instead of being separate due to the infinity fabric.
I would never want to use Stadia lol. Hopefully the casuals dont mind
@Sean Mondout if the latency is incredible, sure. But for now, using a local device is still the best. Besides, I prefer to own a PC rather than 'lease' it by monthly subscription
so apple finally made a powerful computer !
for +40 000$ Oooof that's a Mercedes C-Class for a mac
I like Stadia as a portable gaming option as its going to work on tonnes of devices, However it completly depends on how well it works in the real world
While the latency is an issue, they could pay me $10 a month and I wouldn't be interested. Even local 30 fps gaming is too much latency for many genres of games.
I have 3Mbps download speeds if Im lucky.
With regard to the latency, most people don't see the main contributing factor. Let's assume a perfect internet connection to that server, kind of. 5 ms of ping, 200 Mbps. That 5 ms added latency is not a dealbreaker to most gamers. Most gamers don't even mind V-sync, something which I can't even comprehend given that it makes a game unplayable to me. With VSync you easily get above 50 ms of input lag. The monitor and mouse also easily add 20 ms for many gamers.
However, the big problem for any cloud gaming service like Stadia is this. If you want 4k gaming with only 8-bit color (which Google aims at), then you need 3840*2160*3*8 bits per frame, that 24883200 bytes = 24 MB per frame. Per second this is 60*24=1440 MB=1.44 GB. Google recommends 35 Mbps if I am not mistaken. They need an extremely agressive compression of 43 for this to work.
In the case of 1080p every picture contains only 1/4th of the information so that would give a compression rate of 10.7
Never mind that the picture quality deteriorates. A Blu-Ray movie also is compressed by a factor 10-20 so MAYBE a compression rate of 43 is doable? I am pretty certain that you will see it (I notice artefacts in Blu-Ray) but gamers might not care. I know that you can't fully multithread this compression perfectly given the dependencies between the different parts of the picture. You can use something similar to non-linear video editing, cut up the picture in parts and at the end compute how the parts fit together but it will not be 100% multithreaded. That means that you get additional input lag because of the compression. I don't know how much time Google needs to compress 24 MB per frame, it would be surprise me if they needs 5 ms or less for it but who knows. The more CPU cores Google throws at it the more expensive it gets and you have this dependency for pasting the parts of the picture together if you multithread it to avoid nasty looking 'cutlines'.
For the demonstration with AC the input lag was 150 ms! That would probably be unplayable for us regular gamers (I can't even stand VSync with 50 ms, in ME2 and ME3 I had to disable that via a configuration file to make the game enjoyable). Maybe for console-gamers or non-gamers it is fine but I don't see many PC enthusiasts use Stadia for non-exclusive games or exclusive games which require a low input lag.
@@EscapeVelo Are you on a DSL connection or something? I have a friend that is, since it's the only thing in his neighborhood. He can't play online competitive games, but it's because the ping is 300-400ms at all times. Sorry to hear that. That sucks. Do you have no other providers to choose from?
@@EscapeVelo Mbps (Megabit per second, Mbit/s or Mb/s) and MBps (Megabyte per second) are diferent, the speed you see when you download are MBps, meanwhile the speed you see on your internet contract are mbps (8x your download speed, is just a selling trick to make you belive you are getting a faster internet).
1 Megabyte/sec is equal to 8 × Megabit/sec. Or 1 Megabit/s = 0.125 Megabytes/s.
3.15 MB/s= 25mb/s (mbps) so you should be fine for 1080p 60fps in stadia
Anyway latency is latency, not a good future for stadia if it is too high
@@peterjansen4826 I 100% agree. I think you are be overly generous, but I understand the "perfect internet connection". I've seen hundreds of residential and business connections in my area (PA, USA), and I would say the average ping time is 50ms+. I've seen some in the low 20's, but more often than not it's over 50ms. At least where I live, and I'm sure there's much worse out there, considering the fact that many of the connections are 230-290Mb sustained. No matter what it is though, You're not only doubling the ping time (Input, game responds, and sends it back over the network), but think about how mouse smoothing works, and now think about a constantly variable analog thumb stick on a controller. We're not just talking about a latency you would see locally with the machine tracking your inputs with a decent sampling rate, and then there is something like a frame buffer or screen latency, but a system that has to either do some sort of averaging, or predictive control. I'm not sure how they're tackling it, but the ways I can think of to combat it, just add more latency. The controls would be better, but more delayed. Some of the twitch games out there just would not be viable. No getting high scores in something like One Finger Death Punch. lol.
Your point on the compression is absolutely taken. I can't imagine they will be throwing a lot of processing power at the compression, considering the requirements for the game itself. I would imagine they aren't using CPU's for that. They could just be using a hardware solution. similar to a capture card, or the encoder from AMD, but I don't know. They may have a custom solution. I haven't looked into it. I have tested a couple of different solutions on my LAN for streaming, with remote control as well, and even those were just terrible. Fine for non competitive RTS, but Unreal Tournament or CS:GO would be impossible. Those ping times at least were close to what you're talking about.
Some games even V-sync will make it less enjoyable for me too. Not all games, but for some it matters more than others. I can't imagine the frame pacing is going to be that great either, which drives me even more crazy than a constant latency.
Just as a heads up, according to Stadia's website, the FREE version will "come" with some games included (a roster of games never to be updated), while the PRO version will come with a constantly-updated library of FREE games, starting with The Division 2. More info here: stadia.com/ You will also be able to purchase newer (possibly AAA) titles for an extra fee, and you'll get to play them even if you cancel your PRO subscription.
ISP: pay us more to get better connection while using google stadia.
Not to mention more bandwidth, that 4K/60 streaming will gobble up a lot.
Only in the US...
@@Sayuri998
Lol exactly.
interresting that even works if we are talking fiber and non weird off beat lines people here would be like nope
The Google presentation about Stadia was so lackluster/boring, it almost seems like even THEY think it's questionably a big snorefest.
I got 2 ads in the beginning from the Video WTF? that is new right? Does yt now ad overload the Videos..
Is that Snowspeeder behind you a Bandai kit you put together?
You do *not* "have" to buy games for Google Stadia. There is simply an *option* to buy games rather than rent them. Also, Pro will give discounts on buying games.
Dump question...
If I have understand right, installing GPU in 1st PCI-E slot is x16, but when installing another device in 2nd PCI-E slot x8, this lower 1st PCI-E slot x16 to x8. Right ?
- So is there speed difference with PCI-E generation 3.0 vs 4.0 in x8 line ??
If your motherboards slot is x8 or x16 but reduced to x8 because another slot is beeing used than you have to understand that half of the length on the slot is deactivated.
Using a gpu gen3x16 in a x8 slot gives you the same bandwidth as if you were to cut "half" of the gpus x16 connector with a saw (it actually still works all the way down to x1)
If you were to do that with a gen4x16 card then you would have a gen4x8 which has the same bandwidth as gen3x16
A gen3x16 gpu in a gen4x8 slot still means half of the gpus pcie pins won't have contact in the x8 slot even though it's gen4
So you only get gen3x8 speeds
I heard there are some "converters" from gen3x16 to gen4x8: that would resolve the problem
5:36 - Ive noticed a large amount of ATX Asus boards are identicle, so for example the X370 prime seems to be very similar to the Strix X470-F, this just seems to be a feature thing.
G'day Tim,
I have no Interest in Google Stadia, I own a PS2/3/4 & this year built a Gaming PC, I like owning my media & being able to play without relying on the internet,
I don't even own any Playstation games that require you being connected to play,
I only bought my PS4 for Uncharted & Metro series & the Manager at EB gave me an Awesome deal, but I mainly play PS2/3 games
After some research I went with GOG for my Digital PC games & have a couple I got on Disc, the only new release game I have bought is Mutant: Year Zero, & may be interested in Metro: Last Light & Red Dead Redemption II,
Also I don't own any 4K TV or monitor & Don't have any plans to as I just upgraded to 1440p so that will last me for years,
I would add a snarky comment about irrelevance, but your comment is too wholesome. Keep it up, man.
I can recommend Kingdom Come: Deliverance. You can get the Royal edition now which includes all DLC. Modding support is coming up soon which is going to be awesome for the PC version.
@@DirtyPoul Thanks for the game recommendation I'll have a look
Just thought I'd drop a comment... You guys are THE BEST. I love you tech UA-camrs so damn great at just everything.
Dual GPU are only out favor becuase they don't really work or scale well, but if infinity fabric works as well as it does on CPU's and scales just as well, then it could be a game changer and the future for GPU's
dual gpu's in compute tasks scale extraordinarily well, in games however not at all
No BB-8, at least not where we can see it. Fix that, Tim! ;)
This crime should be punishable by having to watch episode 1-3 in a marathon. :p
I think the big thing with stadia is the 'play on any device'. Also supposed to be discounts on games if you have the subscription. Will have to see how much of a discount and how many games (if not all) get them.
From what I've heard, that's only a promise for now. During launch and for some time after, it's only limited to select few google products. People are basically just hyping themselves for things that don't exist.
when running a GPU does it make a difference if you use the 2 in 1 cable or should you run both the pcie cables to the GPU. like mines a 2080, would it work better if I used both cables or just the 1 that splits into two?
2:23 correct me if I'm wrong but I am pretty certain that they include adapters that let you use standard 8/6 pin pcie power.
No the new mac Pro case does ship with 8/6pin pcie power cables so you can use your own pcie gpu
The radeon Pro duo has the second x16 lookalike connect for additional power and that huge crossfire connect now called infinity fabric connector on the other side of the card
here I am still waiting for asrock bios updates like they said they were releasing last month
For $10 I'd be willing to try Stadia Pro for a month with their limited free game selection but my expectations are low. Unlike the latency people are worried about.
Re stadia, in a world where ppl pay for PSN, anything is possible.
ryzen 3000 real cpu tests,we need em...ples
;_;)
It'll come to julyyyyy its much closer
They aren't out yet
Did you watch the AMD keynote? They had a compute benchmark on it there up against a Cascade 28-core dual socket (so 56 cores total) ($1000 per Intel CPU according to Lisa Su)
The Ryzen based CPU completed the task almost twice as fast
Also they mentioned a 15% IPC improvement over previous generation, so if that is true I believe AMD will now also be fastest in single/dual core applications as well
@@olliveraira6122 we dont want multi-core benchmarks! we want benchmarks on games like CS-GO...thats where the real world gaming power is tested on 6-8core cpus...
@@ppsarrakisTrue, but the benchmark is still damn impressive, I feel it must have very strong cores to outperform 2 28 core Intel cascade CPUs in an application that can accelerate the entire Intel CPUs
If the single core performance is better than the best intel equallent today, Im quite sure I will get one :3
Stadia - my impressions is that it's too expensive, esp. once one factors in the bandwidth requirements and then further takes into account bandwidth data caps. I'm pretty sure I know a lot of ISP's that will be pretty excited at the money it'll bring in for them.
@Hardware Unboxed people seem really excited about x570 boards but will the price premium be worth it considering x470 and b450 are said to OC to same? Especially since very few PCIe uses so far?
For most people I doubt X570 is of any concern other than those MB won´t need a BIOS update to support Zen2.
Except POSSIBLY future gpu compatibility
@@Koeras16I think the only people who will really want and need an X570 are the ones going out and buying the 12 and 16 core parts. I will be willing to bet that the 3600, 3700 and 3800 will run just fine and overclock OK on most compatible boards.
@@Tallnerdyguy
It's not needed for compatibility, you can use a Pci-e gen3 card in a gen1 slot no problem, and vice versa, I don't imagine gen4 is any different.
It's good for Samsung to dump Arm Mali, it's shit and Adreno is miles ahead in mobile gaming.
PowerVR is even worse, it's a pure downgrade.
Just in case people wouldn't know, Adreno also is from AMD. The name gives it away, it is an anagram from Radeon. They are geeky like that. :)
I wonder how different CrossFire is going to be with the combination of Infinity Fabric over PCIe 4.0.
Are you going to build a new PC rig soon with all that shiny new looking hardware in the background Tim?
I think a subscription game streaming is a good idea if well maintained (and not dropped like Google's other projects).... However the lack of choice to own games and play should one's internet goes down, makes it a no for me dog
Oh, and not to mention the amount of data which would be problematic for those in the US and with other ISPs that have data caps at about 1tb/mo
multi gpu might be different this time, its infinity fabric, and if "pro" consoles step up their game, that might be the only viable option(bigger chips=lower yields=higher cost) and if that happens, industry will move that way, and so the multigpu wars begin! hopefully it wont get stuck on quads for a decade /s
That 470 pcie 4 news sucks.... I have a very expensive top of the line motherboard and was looking forward to being able to upgrade the CPU, and considering the benches of AMD's Navi's on pcie 4 at computex, I would have been happy to upgrade the PSU and GPU.... but, since they're being a **** about it, I'm just going to wait until NVidia release their 7nm, pciE 4 cards, whenever that will be.
i thought the bare wall with lights was actually kinda nice and clean, not that this look is bad. i guess a little more character shines through with the goodies in the back.
But..
Can it run Crysis?
You know how stadia fixed the terribad input lag we were getting during the tryout? They didn't....
I won't use Stadia out of principle.
I feel like if the X570 boards become much pricier because of the greater "effort" that manufacturers put in them it might even hurt the AM4 platform in the short run..... I actually planned to update to X570 from my X470 but after seeing the prices for some of those new boards.....yeah no.
@eldarmario presario word of mouth from manufacturers in computex apparently, because x570 has higher quality pcb needed for signal integrity of pci4
@Barindra Bal ya but midrange boards aka b550 wont come til end of the year or next year.
@Barindra Bal www.guru3d.com/news-story/even-the-cheaper-x570-motherboards-will-get-a-steeper-price-says-msi-ceo.html
@Barindra Bal They would definitely wont be as cheap as their x470 counterparts, even the low end boards, people think buying amd is cheaper all around, but i dont think that would be the case anymore
it would really be good for rendering long video edits in H.265 , like weddings,, the price to this vega card wil be a deal breaker if its to high,,,
Noob question. Is rdna like direct x or vulkan? Or something actually physical?
The HD 5970 was a beast.
Stadia = Nope
Best case, it peters out and is forgotten like OnLive.
Worst case, it becomes the default evolution of "games as a service" further eroding customer's property rights.
imagine thinking you own games ( DRM)
@@_yuri you own the games you buy :)
@@marceelino people are very strange these days
You actually don't need to pay upfront that's just for an early access and controller bundle (plus a Chromecast). You actually don't even need the controller as on a PC browser you will be able to use keyboard and mouse. Also the paid Pro subscription does give you access to free games "regularly" (whatever that means, probably monthly) similar to PlayStation Plus or Xbox Gold. This service should be interesting due to Google's infrastructure which is probably the most extensive network in the world. If anyone can do it it would be Google, but if they can't get it to work with all of there network it won't ever happen I think as the only networks capable of this level of traffic and that have this many local links are Google, Amazon, Microsoft (Azure), maybe Facebook, and a few of the Chinese Internet giants.
For Stadia your not obligated to buy their controller or the package...you just need a chrome cast and a controller or mouse and keyboard.. also Stadia is pretty simple if you know what it is... you are basicly renting a High end PC and thats it
And the chrome cast is only needed for TV use. Otherwise a regular chrome tab works just fine. So you can basically use it for free and only need to get the games,
@@shawnpitman876 its still renting a high end pc and nothing more.. oke renting a high end pc in the cloud
€10 / month for 4K60 seems like a good deal to me. If the games are there, of course. That remains to be seen. No need to upgrade hardware or buy consoles ever 2-5 years. No 144 Hz or 1 ms input lag, but that's not really something I care that much about. So yeah, it's interesting. Hopefully it will evolve from there.
Well, I was interested in stadia, but not so much now
Stadia or services like this might have their place, but with infrastructure not being that great in most of the world, it's hard to imagine it getting over that limitation without even getting into the topic of ISP restrictions and beyond that, latency. It might have a much better foothold in places like Japan or Korea where their distances are small and network excellent, but there's a lot of challenges. Beyond that, I can see it having a place as a companion for certain things, but nothing that requires any sort of latency sensitivity. If you've already used anything like Steam local streaming or PS4 to PSVita streaming, even with latencies sub 1ms, it still wasn't an optimal experience to be had. It's harder to imagine the internet ever overcoming that.
There's also something to consider that as games move further into higher refresh rate gaming for the most superior and optimal gaming experience, internet streamed games are only going to feel that much worse even if they manage to overcome all those significant barriers. I think something like Stadia might be okay to try games out that you will then buy for any local hardware.
I should also add this about Stadia, I don't like the idea of it. Maybe it's a traditionalist mindset, but having physical copies and physical rights to hardware and 'software' I suppose is always preferable. I'm okay with Steam and the like, but there's a lot of games that I can see being lost forever when they die.
Stadia would be totally useless to me due to my connection in my apartment being limited at peak hours. Plus, why would one buy a subscription, and then have to buy games on top of that? The only game that comes with the service is going Free to Play on Steam anyhow, and it doesn't even seem like one that would put the service in it's best light. I don't see this service lasting past 5 years without some radical pricing changes and major advancements in latency issues, or it goes to more casual games.
Regrading Stadia: The technology is really interesting, I'll keep an eye on it, but it's doesn't appeal to me personally.
Google Stadia sounds like a terrible idea. Having to pay $130 initially then $10 a month for the subscription to play at 4k 60fps, IF you have the internet speed to do so, and still having to pay full price for games just sounds dumb. At that point, you might as well just spend the money to buy an Xbox One X or PS4 Pro. Better yet, just wait for the next generation of consoles, or build your own PC. Idk, Stadia sounds like a big money pit to me. Can't imagine a ton of people signing up for it.
I still have R9 295X2 on my summer house gaming PC 🤔
The old intro sounded good. If you guys aren't going to use it, you should give it to someone who will.
Is that a Wing Gundam at the end? Damn.
On the topic of the stadia. I have a PS4 from early 2014, it's at the end of its life so right now I'm looking to move on. Within the next year I'll have options like the ps5, Stadia, etc. The
Stadia is really appealing because 1 all i need is a Chromecast, controller, and internet to play. 2 the price for a chromecast is a lot less then a console. 3 I don't have to worry about local storage.
Now as for the game store, if it's connected to something like steam or the epic game store, so I don't have to re buy titles, that would be the final selling point I need
@@shawnpitman876 you're probably right, but a guy can hope
AMD does not seem to have control over what software features vendors add. See: Athlon overclocking. How do we know they’ll have to comply with disabling PCIe 4.0? Looking at you, MSI.
Had a horrible nightmare the other night. With bitcoin in general making a small comeback, can a fully loaded iMac Pro 2019 compete with ASIC machines or regular mining rigs? And IF so, will that dry up the supply for chips required for the dual-GPU card? Causing a cascade effect with other GPU supplies?
Stadia may be a good "demo" and "try it" platform which then may lead to buying the game on Stadia or other platforms. Also some mobile/on the go gaming could be handy with it.
But you have to buy the game in stadia to play it
@@nrincon96 It's to be expected that the Stadia API will allow implementing demo/free access to games. They were talking about that play button on a YT video. So a demo for X minutes or until X progression could be used to showcase the game and get people to buy.
@@riklaunim but then why would someone wish to spend 10$ to demo games only once for say only 2 hrs per game
Edit: assuming theyre using stadia for the purpose you mentioned in the original comment
@@nrincon96 1080p is free. You can check a game on Stadia at 1080p and then go to Steam and buy it and play at whatever settings, or buy it at stadia and play it at 1080p or also get the sub to play at 4K.
@@riklaunim thought it was 720p and its upcoming. But i did forget about the free option mostly since it wouldn't be at launch
Destiny!! Come play, it's super fun! And now that it's free, there's nothing to lose!
Yes, thanks for the 'unboxing' video it allowed me to further train the youtube algorithm to not ever show me any stupid 'unboxing' videos ever again along with linus's video.
Linus will be so very upset to hear the bad news.
my thoughts since you asked for them on Stadia: it's shit and not something we need
I love how now that AMD has the tech to make dual GPUs, they are avoiding it like the plague. Infinity fabric is literally the answer to making them work and now it's like "lol nope"
5:38 So after years of confusing consumers with their chipset and processor names and series , now is the time to not do something because it might be too confusing ...
How many "lakes" can be left for Intel to name their stuff. Lava Lake, Potty Lake, Vapor Lake are bound to be used at some time in the near future.
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_@RaidrWolf maybe its to signify architectural similarities in the processors?_
Could be. But doesn't that indicate they haven't changed much of anything since 2015 when Skylake was released and don't seem to be scheduled for anything really new for at least another year, provided that's of the same architecture as you say? If not, wouldn't it indicate that "Skylake" being one word instead of two indicate two different architectures with the word "lake" in it? Also, aren't they calling an arguably completely different architecture reported as "comet lake"? So, I don't think so. They just tack on the word "Lake" to whatever they do apparently. I think they are infatuated with the word "lake", for whatever reason that isn't readily clear.
The latency seems like a massive drawback for stadia. I'll try it when the free version is available, but I doubt I'll play on it much beyond that
Well, with Stadia, it might not be for or available to everyone, but it had a good chance to succeed. There has been ongoing talks in regards to how the next gen consoles will be priced due to the trade war with China. It just might be the affordable option that gamers (mostly casual or p/up & play) will flock to
What about radeon 7 4.0 pcie
Perhaps with firmware upgrade
Stadia will be super weak. $10 a month just to buy games on top of that, with probably a bunch of latency, lag, and "system down" messages. I am good with my 2080ti.
What's going to get people interested in Stadia is that it basically sounds like the Ouya but with a bigger name behind it. That's about it.
@@shawnpitman876 Anyone who didn't really pay attention to technology, yeah. I wouldn't doubt that. I was more interested in the fact it streamed things when it came out. I also figured it wasn't going to stick, and look where we are now.
Pass on the Google Stadia thing. I reckon good for eating up monthly data mostly.
Yes! The last dual gpu I had was the ATI Rage Fury Maxx. Two 32mb GPU's. I know its laughable now, but back in the early 2000s it was awesome
Obsidian x24 dual voodoo 2. Had to buy a bigger case just to fit it.
@@santiagoferrari1973 Yes sir
I don't think Google stadia is designed for PC gamers, it's designed for people who can't afford expensive PC hardware. They would rather pay a low monthly fee instead of making a huge $600+ down payment for a new computer. There's definitely a market for it. I do kind of wish they went the Netflix route though with a library of you can play what you feel like and still have the free option but use the free option of the service as a you have to purchase the video games you want to use with it. Always give consumers good options and they will be happy
Could I buy the AMD Radeon Pro Vega II (the single one not the duo)?
It’s just an instinct mi60
Gamer The Banning yes but the Instinct MI60 does not have a video output (I think)
How was the mega-mix drinks party?
Navi 20, isn't this pcie-4 ?? then no new navi for me !!
It is lovely that DaVinci Resolve works with AMD on Apple, I wish that they would fix it for Linux too. The last hurdle for Linux. DaVinci Resolve is a lot better than Adobe Premiere, we Linux folks who use an AMD card want to be able to use it.
DaVinci takes ages to render or just export as another format on Windows... I haven’t tried it on Linux, but I imagine it’s probably half the render times, although even that would be slow compared to most other render tools (goodness, Vegas Pro feels like a snail, but even it is faster). I may have to test out some new editing tools when I play around with Ubuntu Studio distro.
@@jakegarrett8109
I am not an expert in video-editing but as I understand it it has much more to do with the features than with the speed. With regard to speed and stability Adobe Premier Pro is a piece of trash, yet they keep using it because of all of those plugins. DaVinci Resolve is the nr. 1 editor in the movie-business. Yes, if you want it fast and it can be simple, then KDEnlive is fine.
U don't need the Google controller. When it comes to Australia ill probably buy a cheap game to test out the free service with 110mbps.
Had u think about using timestamps like gamer nexus? they are great!