Why EC3 Banned These 3 Wrestling Moves
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- Control Your Narrative founder and former WWE Superstar EC3 speaks candidly with Chris about his decision to ban certain wrestling moves in his new CYN wrestling promotion. EC3 is a professional wrestling veteran with over 13 years of experience having wrestled for WWE, Impact Wrestling, Ring of Honor and countless other promotions.
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EC3 talked more in this clip than he did in his entire WWE main roster run.
and that's a crime, because he is a very good talker
I'm sure they just signed the Impact guys to finish the company off
I'm laughing so angrily rn
@@mr7oclock346 Agreed !!
EC3 had all the ability in the world but the company miss used him...twice
I'm with him the big cool moves from the past have all been watered down. I's honestly disappointing to see a Canadian Destroyer be relegated to a transitional move. It's such an awesome move that should be finishing matches.
All thanks to Adam Cole
Lol and the powerbomb was a good finisher too now everyone does it whats your point? That's a terrible take cause no matter what the crowd still goes crazy whenever someone hits it. You can literally say what you said about thousands of diffrent moves.
Same as the DDT. It used to look devastating when Jake Roberts did it
@@welowee7610 It was abused by many others before Cole (Bucks, Dustin, Lucha Bros etc).
@@welowee7610 it was water down before Adam cole but I get what you saying
*"You protect moves that are super cool."*
*Amen, brother.*
Now that's the mentality that needs to be more common, moves really are beginning to mean less and less in mainstream wrestling
Thank you aew and the bucks for that
Yeah well his company is garbage so
@@QAZ-OMEN AEW didn’t even exist when WWE was booking people to kick out of finishers in every match
@@zachiswayposi1 kicking out of a finisher is 1 thing but connecting with like 20 superkicks that have little to no effect on someone is ridiculous
@@QAZ-OMEN AEW and the bucks didn't create nor do they do this.
Well it’s good to hear him clarify. You can still do these moves but make them mean something.
@ChaseLife²~215 needed clarification cause his whole thing is controlling your own narrative but also banning common moves lol. That’s a contradiction but now that he’s clarified that they are just under more strict usage in matches
He doesn't even need to clarify it though really. Those moves are overdone, everyone does them and these once cool moves now mean nothing because they're overdone. The Canadian Destroyer thesedays is about as clothesline, and thats just stupid
@ChaseLife²~215 I think it's because everyone tries to make EC3 look like an asshole for banning him, so it's good CVVV gave him a chance to actually give his side as to why he banned them.
I just wish "no rules" and "no specific move" is in the same rules list 😂
@ChaseLife²~215 these moves used to mean something. You would see a cruiserweight match and the suicide dive was a rare treat. But now everyone and their dog dives to the outside 500 times. They spam the crap out of these moves so much and it devalues them.
This is so true. The first time seeing a canadian destroyer blew my fucking mind.
Now I know the match aint even over
Or when HBK used one Sweet Chin Music to end a match, now you see 5 super kicks in one match and the wrestler still kicks out 🤦♂️.
Or when Shawn and all the old guys used Macho Man’s elbow as a regular move? Oh you forget that the old guys all did the same thing. Boomers are such hypocrites.
@@rickybobbyroode9814 yeah, compare an elbow drop to a fucking flip piledriver
"When you would see me hit the DDT it was all over, now the DDT is just a transitional move." - Jake The Snake quote that feels very relevant to what EC3 saying.
Some still use it as a finisher.
@@Cboz1978 the only person I thought of while reading it is Alexa Bliss, can't think of anyone mainstream using it (Mickie James has her DDT but she doesn't finish with it)
I'm late to the party, but if I'm ever able to start as a wrestler, I already told my brother I'd use the DDT, because no matter how watered down it is, there's nothing more devastating than spiking your opponent's skull to the ground at lightspeed.
@@w4llie189Mox
Ok, I admit it. I was SO wrong. That's actually a good way to approach those 3 moves. Legit.
True. The rules that they posted was just so weird. Maybe change them lol
Superkicks are the most over used, overrated, and washed-out move in all promotions of wrestling.
Yea, there are others that can be overused as well, but the Superkick is beyond being a perfect finisher.
You can blame the elite for that
@@jay7949 and the Uso's, they use that move like its cracking another beer before driving home!
Cause its not a finisher lmfao. When have you seen the Bucks finish with a superkick? That just shows you don't actually watch. Oh and by the way people were doing it way before them but called it a thrust kick.
@@jay7949 News flash, people were doing the Superkick before the Bucks were
Man with the mask should call it a Thrust kick unless its going to be the finish.
The wrestling news channels better cover this part of the conversation since they all reported on how stupid the rules were
😂 they won't.
Jim Cornette made fun of the rules, but he at least praised them for this.
Tbh they have good reasons to think that the rules are stupid. Cuz "no rules" and "no specific moves" are in the same rules list. Lol
deadass though
They won't You know how this damn UA-camrs are. Only drama,controversial and negative hating everything, but never following up stories like this Channel did.
I understand the out-of-universe implications, but if the move is banned within the rules of the kayfabe environment, there should be an in-universe justification for it. The piledriver's kayfabe justification for being banned was that dropping someone directly on the top of their head was too dangerous, so it became an illegal hold. I can see a similar justification for the Destroyer, but I can't think of a logical in-universe reason for a Superkick to be banned, or for a Tope Suicida to be banned while other, way more dangerous inside-to-outside dives are legal.
You misunderstand, he doesn't want to ban them, there should just be a rule that is unspoken that you simply just don't do them unless it's your finisher maybe stop doing it. If you remove the boring through the rope suicide dives people will actually be interested to see how a performer gets from the ring to the out because these stupid inexperienced wrestlers have to wait on the outside for it to happen. As for Superkicks and destroyers come on, Thia Wednesday go and watch dynamite and you'll see why
WWE never banned the Piledriver in kayfabe. There never was an on air announcement that said the Piledriver was banned. Or Undertaker wouldn't have been able to use it anymore
@@scashwildson8354 I didn't say WWE specifically. There were times and places in the territories where the move would be banned.
@@rustlerv6549 Yes, I said I do understand why in a shoot, out of universe context, because the moves are overused. I'm saying if these are meant to be written into the kayfabe rules of matches, which would require heels to find ways to cheat to use them, there should be some reason as to why. Which you could make up for the Canadian Destroyer pretty easily, but he other two a bit harder to make an explanation for that makes sense in-universe.
@@scashwildson8354 piledriver & tombstone piledriver are 2 different moves in kayfabe.
And it was NWA/WCW that banned the regular piledriver. Just like they had banned "tossing a wrestler over the top rope to the outside".
He’s so right about those moves. Seeing 30 super kicks a night is dry. I love the idea of reeling them in, allowing only one wrestler/team to use them. Every wrestler under 6’3” super kicks 3 times a match! This used to SPECIAL. So I respect the logic here.
Nothing new here just a return to old school wrestling 101 mindset where big moves/wow moments are kept for when it actually has meaning instead of just breaking out every major move in every match no matter what the occasion,leaving nothing for those special ppv or defining match spots,Canadian destroyer/destroyer is a truly special move that is now reduced to a regular spot as is the same with a lot of former high spot moves,if your going through a table every match or jumping off a ladder then it does make it common place and takes away it's shine
I agree to certain extents. The Canadian destroyer to me definitely shouldn’t be used as much as it is now and it should definitely only be used as a devastating finisher. I also hate how overused superkicks are and it’s probably my bias to Shawn Micheals and why I dislike the young bucks so much. The super kick should be a special move used to finish matches or to set up your finisher, but for me moves like the DDT aren’t worth finishing a match with. Same with powerbombs unless the one doing it has a special flair to it that helps it look cooler and seem more devastating. We just have to find a fine line with overused moves and which ones should be gatekept and which ones can stay being used the same as they are now.
@@Crunch_Carter wardlows powerbomb symphony for example. that shits awesome. but the young bucks 15 superkicks a match gets boring.
I feel like this is a side effect of the indy wrestling mentality bleeding into major promotions.
i think it’s more targeted to AEW. they’re the only major wrestling company that does all this spot fest garbage on a weekly basis.
You’re right for the most part , but you can still see that crap affecting WWE .
@@Hypno_BPM Priorizing fancy spots over psychology is truly one of the worst aspects about modern day wrestling.
@@deathtrap2672 i agree but i think it’s way less on WWE. on AEW it’s every other match
With WWE we get virtually no wrestling, but when we get it the matches aren't half bad, they are usually pretty good, but it's the bad creative that's keeping the promotion down. AEW has too much wrestling, too many wrestlers, and not enough wit to get done what they want done. AEW has something very special going on, but nothing is being utilized correctly besides MJF. There needs to be a happy medium between the 2. CYN could be that medium, but they need the money for it like the other 2 promotions.
love this. he is protecting the moves. making them a tool to tell story. im excited for their promotion
Really hope this clip gets alot of views so that this is the first and last time he has to explain this jus so it doesn't get overcomplicated
Oh Look! Someone who understands how Wrestling's supposed to work. I agree with EC3. I remember when Cole and Ricochet had an NXT Takeover match and when Ricochet went for a Lionsault, Cole superkicked him WHILE HE WAS UPSIDE DOWN IN THE AIR. Then hit him with a Shining Wizard. That should've been the end of the match. Instead Ricochet kicks out and the match keeps going.
You're actually expecting psychology from Dragon Gate / Ring of Honor alumni?
It wasn’t a shining wizard it was the patella drop brain buster
He doesn't understand how wrestling is suppose to work because cyn is a horrific company it's so bad
He's right
You ban something then when 1 guy does it it's huge
EC3 may be protecting the moves, but I think he may have extended some wrestlers' quality of life and careers.
I still cringed at Lita's dive through the ropes.
Trish probably does too.
Probably saw Big E's dive through the ropes and saw it coming that he'd land awkwardly and injure himself one day
@@BernardGarcon Wasn't even a Big E dive that hurt him, which is the really sad part. He landed awkwardly on a suplex.
His leg shining in this video is making me want to skip leg day lmfao
Hearing the actual explanation makes this decision far more respectable and understandable
I just wrote his banned moves off as them being contrarian but after hearing EC3 explain himself, I get it. By banning those moves, you can create more compelling stories.
This is why I love piledrivers being banned because when someone does use it, it means EVERYTHING and brings up so many questions. We’re they desperate? Was it their final resort? Did they just want to cripple their opponent? Do they have anything left?
Agree with you on this
Piledrivers are highly restricted in WWE for actual safety reasons.
The DDT used to be a super over finisher, and then everyone started using it.
It's a basic move. So is a superkick. So is a middle rope suicide dive. Basic moved will be used BASICALLY
@@mynameis4555 it wasn’t a basic move until everyone started using it.
Not a fan of CYN at all but he's spot on here.
These moves are done way too often.
Give it a chance.
@@dicky7600 Sounds like he already did if he said he’s not a fan at all.
Well it's done multiple times per match too. The flying thru ropes, can see its staged too because they have to wait. Canadian Destroyer was Ultimate Bad Ass but as he said, guys kick out of it. It's like there's NO more True Finishing moves.
Another great example on the Indies of deconstructing stale wrestling norms is Kidd Bandit, and when they do the spot where they go to the floor to have your opponent jump over you as they run the ropes, they actually trip their opponent up
100% agree. Great idea! It's scary how many times these moves are used in one night, specifically notable in AEW. Add in the cutter also.
I just noticed the cutter with rey Feinex
Thank you for banning these moves, I hate what they did to the Destroyer.
The fist time I seen a Canadian destroyer I lost my shit! It blew my fucking mind
Same here!
@@CVVCLIPS it was so amazing i feel for Pete
This man had so many people angry , am I the only one who understood what he meant before he had to clarify ?
You're not the only one.
Nope. I literally tweeted out that it made sense. How many times in the last year have you NOT seen one of (Or a combination of) these three moves on a show? The Superkick used to mean something when HBK hit it, The Destroyer was OP as all Hell when Williams hit it, now? It's barely a two count before people kick out.
@@Lycan_Jedi I agree 100 percent. Lots of the moves nowadays just don't mean shit anymore bc wrestlers throw em around so freely just for a cheap pop
Tbf for everyone, it was hard to understand, cuz of the inconsistent rules they posted lmao
i didn't understand it xD I just wasn't bothered by it. but the clarification just makes it badass
Totally agree. Not to draw comparison to JC, but SMW banned the pile driver to ensure the move actually meant something if Orndorff opted to use it
When I saw the rules I kept thinking that EC3 had something deeper in mind; absolute genius.
There is not a single move out there that can be done now, that will make me believe that it's the finish of a match, and that's sad
Awesome to see someone who actually cares about the moves these days.
Isn't this just Bill Watt's logic for removing the mats from around the rings and banning top rope moves in late 80's WCW - and it was seen as silly then?
Yeah came here to say this. Didn't really work out too well
The super kick is dead.
The Canadian destroyer was awesome they ruined it.
Darby has the best dive respect.
the super kick has been my finishing move since I was a yellow belt.
I just wanna say thank you Dolph Ziggler for keeping the superkick alive as a finish, it's such a great looking move but it loses its value when we see half a dozen in every match with the young bucks, seth rollins, Adam Cole, ah you get the point
it's a shame about the Canadian destroyer. I remember seeing it for the first time and thinking WOW! Now it's just another move 🤦
I agree with the super kick I hate how it’s being use as a regular move now like leave it as a finisher
So DDT, powerbomb, falcon arrow, leg drop, neckbreaker, top rope elbow and many many more used to be finishers. The business evolves get over it!!!
Hell EC3’s finisher has been used time and time again to little effect.
What a stupid ass promotion. Shit will go belly up inside a year.
Control your narrative by banning moves a majority of the roster can't do.
"you gotta protect the moves that are super cool." yup, i agree to that.
EC3 kinda based for this. I think short sited AEW EVPS and twitter lads saw it as a rag on AEW's product. Subliminally , maybe? This guys got a point , wrestling has to make sense so the layman can actually enjoy it too. While also protecting the careers , safety , and overall view of the sport to the public eye.
Petey Williams was the only man to ever make the Canadian destroyer look amazing.
Love when someone answers a question with a lot of talking and not saying anything at the same time.
Definitely agree with him on that last statement you have to protect moves that are super cool or they lose their value.
Look at the One winged Angel the punt even the jackhammer you can only count on one hand how many guys have kicked out of it.
Until this past weekend no one had kicked out of the end of days. There's still only one guy that has though and people miss that fact that Baron freaking Corbin had and honestly still does have one of the most protected finishers of the modern era.
@@MegaKingsven A very fair point.
He has a point about the superkick thing. Even MJF has called out wrestlers for spamming movies "like they are in a video game". Adam Cole and the young bucks will do 4 superkicks EACH in a single match.
Man its like he listed to 3 episodes of Cornette's podcast and the guy thinks he is a wrestling genious
I agree with him on the Canadian Destroyer, but the superkick? Its literally just a kick to the head
This is the only thing that makes sense about that shit show
He made a good point if everyone does a move and its never protected/saved for a finish or significant moment then it becomes about as special as a punch.
He is right! By using a move too often makes it look weak. The Canadian Destroyer is the perfect example: once a deadly move is now as weak as a clothesline.
“Control your narrative” but not your moveset lmaoooo
People will naturally move away from moves that the crowd doesnt buy (see Powerbomb, simple DDT) but when youre doing a freaking Canadian Destroyer, no offense but that move still looks freaking amazing any time they do it and it feels like there is a huge risk with that move like its so easy to break someone's neck with that move so its still fun to me and I watched when the move was created
Some moves are definitely overused and those three are definitely one of them, Canadian Destroyer is especially unfortunate given how new it is. In such a short time we have had a Piledriver be used in such an interesting way by damn near everyone. Superkick is overused but I think that’s mainly because if you can lift your leg then you can probably do a Superkick. The Middle Rope Dive is also used by everyone because it’s likely easier to go though the middle rope then try to leap over the top rope.
I see why wwe dumped him.
I fully agree. Always protect bad ass moves. It’s not about the moves. It’s about telling stories. It always has been, it always will be.
I'm glad Kurrgan is back
I remember when they originally said those moves were banned and how up in arms people got. The whole time I'm thinking the same thing he said about using them behind the refs backs. There's nothing wrong with wanting to protect moves either, as what he said about the finish between him and Penta.
Which brings me to my final point that fans are SO QUICK to judge things before they actually play out. Imagine watching a Star Wars movie and halfway through deciding you're just going to leave the theatre. Same concept to me.
Well, he's right that they're over used. Not sure that making them "officially" banned is the correct response, though. Shades of Bill Watts' "it's illegal to come off the top rope" rule. Yeah, you can work around it and get mileage out of the rule, but it draws more attention to the rule itself than enhancing the fundamentals of the storytelling.
This is a good point at the end the wwe should have protected the end of days, Corbins finish. They made a point to talk about nobody kicking out of it then just to have someone do it like three weeks after lol
I wish the tiger driver 98 wasn't kicked out of by everyone in AEW. Three months ago the burning hammer was kicked out of. Out of all moves the burning hammer should NEVER be kicked out.
“I physically can’t do these moves so nobody else can!”
That's just how wrestling is. Moves that used to be a big deal get watered down years later. Another move that used to be a finish but is used casually now is the DDT. Its actually been nerfed for a long time and nobody ever talks about it.
People talk about it a lot actually
I have no issue with how they don't want certain moves to be overused in their product that's fine. But the fact that "there are no rules" and "no specific moves" are in the same rules list, under the company called Control Your Narrative? Is utterly dumb and sounds like a fight club written by an edgy child.
With that said I'm still willing to give this a chance I guess
Best thing about him is the crowd response in TNA.
You can't wrestle!
Yes I can!
You can't wrestle!
I'm very good!
😄
LOL, EC3 is trying so damn hard to be relevant for the first time in his life and it's not working
well that's one thing i actually agree with him on
I agree with those 3 moves, could throw the cutter on the list to
You know...EC3's talking sense
100 percent agree.
Alot of moves are dead these days and I reckon this bann will restore them as deadly again.
Well no it won't restore anything as you can still do them in any company outside cyn🤣
@@haydenburns632
Haha So true
I feel the super kick has been watered down.. when Shawn did it back in the days it felt special but now? It’s the opposite when we see others use it
100% of protecting moves and make the wrestlers be more creative and diverse with their move sets. At lot of wrestlers having the same signature moves.
Petey Williams actually makes the Canadian Destroyer look cool , I was like you Chris , when I saw Petey do that move in TNA I was blown away because it was a move that nobody did at that time.
Move inflation is the natural result of wrestlers trying to outdo each other, and the fact that the typical wrestler is now an athletic cruiserweight, rather than barely mobile behemoths of the 1980's. It is difficult to make an 80's style match look 'cool' when compared to a modern indy/lucha style match. Rather, the old style match will feel low-impact and lazy, because it is. Basically, you are expecting people to be impressed with relatively short, lazy, low-impact matches.
I was super not on board with this idea when I heard it, but listening to his rationale, he’s right on the fuckin money
“Because that’s what you do, you protect moves that are super cool”
Thanks for this insight, Kurrgan.
Agree with the Canadian destroyer that move should not be over used
It doesn't make sense with the "No Rules" gimmick , otherwise this just seems like almost bloodsport but not exactly
I agree with him honestly for the most part.. saturation is a problem...
"That's what you do--you protect moves that are super cool." Yes, THIS all day!
Dude this guy has a really strong point remember when punk hit that pelidriver on raw? Vs cena? It MEANT something you feel me? Now days how Many destroyers or flippin pelidrivers you see in a match?
All I've heard about CYN is people bashing it for the rules. But what he's saying makes complete sense. EC3's whole demeanor sounds like he knows what he's doing. Give it a fucking chance.
The only move I dislike is the Tope Suicida because 90% of wrestlers make that move look so weak, but there is a way to do that move very well (i.e Darby who just throws himself at people)
Just googled canadian destroyer and the second answer has the words bad bunny next to it, so i totally get it lmao
To me in seems like each of those moves are in every AEW match and it’s like eh
Same with constant table bumps too. Eye-roll nearly every time I see one now instead of it being shocking or memorable
Exactly it made me like AEW a LOT LESS...it's meaningless pop wrestling repeating the same shitty moves because nothing is special about you...there is a reason wrestlers like Punk, Bryan, MJF And FTR don't do that nonsense
@@Ahmed-og2jm exactly, I mean it was impressive and I popped when bad bunny did it, cuz it was unexpected, but seeing the same scripted moves and no sells and along with the moves ec3 mentioned it’s too much, and I love AEW but it’s just me being honest… also just to throw in there im tired of all the factions… guys who should be killing it in singles keep getting put into factions.
@@Ahmed-og2jm
I’ve seen MJF do a moonsault maybe once. And it stuck out to me and I still remember it because it’s completely different to everything else in his usual game. It stands out.
A lot of their matches are somehow both really exciting to watch and totally forgettable. They get away with far too much in standard matches. The only Sammy Guevara matches and crazy spots I really remember are the ones with Cody because - say what you will about his ego - he knows how to pace a match and give things meanings. I can’t remember any of his 4930 flips through tables from week to week
@@chriskanuga9460 spot on bad bunny is a celeb nobody expected it...the shit in AEW is generic wrestlers with nothing but the ability to do flips...i also get that they have too many factions but the roster is overcrowded and they only have so much time...all i know is AEW is just as imperfect as WWE is...which is frustrating because i feel AEW has so much potential and they actually put effort but they are too stubborn to stop doing indie garbage
That's exactly how I felt about the Canadian Destroyer. Now...everyone does it.
Though Im not a huge fan of his in-ring work, EC3's character work was top notch. Shame he didnt get a fair shake in WWE. Eli Drake too
The fans are the one that should decide if a move is cool and relevant or not. I've seen a thousand Canadian Destroyers and it still feels awesome to see, i don't give a fuck if it ended the match or not, it looks cool. I appreciate they trying something kinda new, I guess (?)
this guy lost a package of merch I ordered, his ppl seem to be intentionally scamming ppl, lost a lot of respect for him, his new "promotion" seems a bit sketchy too
This guy is still crying? Let it go bro the Bruce wayne Ripoff gimmick didnt work! Let it go.
What's the reason for the banning "in story line"?
I’m torn, on one hand this guy’s voice is one of the Earth’s most annoying things. His company seems dumb. But those moves are also the worst. Conflicted as to whether this guy knows what he’s doing or really really does not
I would be happy just to ban more than one guy catching a dive. You see opponents hugging and staring at the guys in the ring waiting to catch them. It's the fakest thing ever.
It is pretty annoying to see everyone want to do a Canadian Destroyer. Kind of like in the 90's when everyone was doing a DDT.
i'm not mad at EC3 controlling those 3 moves narratives - he's got a point
Damn, EC3 is a wrestling genius. Great, level-headed takes on oversaturated moves
Cool moves are not watered down. Its just about having wrestlers that use psychology to make the match fun and believable. In the world of wrestling nothing is watered down, it just about how you write it
Nowadays Super kicks are more common than chops