3 Things INTJs Should NEVER Do
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As an older INTJ, I have been accused of being chaotic, having no plans. I have a direction. My goal lies over there, so, I start heading in that direction. So long as I move in that direction I get closer to my goal. I also have an extreme intuition, so I will make sudden 90, or 180 degree turns seemingly at random. Sometimes the best way, and least painful way to reach a goal is not necessarily a straight line, but meandering. Ancient wisdom comes to mind that patience is the key that unlocks most locks.
I think planners don't like me because I don't create step by step directions when moving towards my goals. Sometimes, and I mean rarely I will break down task like quests in a video game with sub-quest that must be achieved to complete the main goal. But that is rare.
I found that I need to have multiple goals. Long term goals are good, but you can only appreciate the payoff when looking back on what you accomplished. Medium term goals give you a hope for a payoff. But you really need one or more short term goals that have a payoff within a few months at most to keep the morale up. Otherwise I become disillusioned with working towards improving my life, and having nothing to show for it now.
Same
Lol, but we do break goals down into portions...thing is, we have internalized those steps to the degree writing them down is inefficient, a waste of time and paper. Yeah, thos project planner inserts are useless to me too. And as a mom of four, I have felt that my entire life is a game called MomCraft with real world payoffs and consequences...much more engaging than made up stuff. ;)
I can relate. I've had set short-term goals so I can feel like I'm making progress. It came as a copying mechanism.
I get it. To draw an analogy, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line- but, the line is thick. A corridor or a wide tunnel with room within to manuver, the line is painted with a thick brush, not a fine point pen. One proceeds toward their end goal, always forward, but not getting caught up in the granular details, steps are made in broad strokes. Big picture is our modus operandi. ~Fellow INTJ~
@@suburbohemian lol much more engaging than the real stuff is true.
1. I run screaming from anything like commitment because it feels like a prison. Especially relationships!
2. I have not found my purpose and am lost.
3. I refuse to work mundane 9-5 jobs for an inadequate hourly rate. Currently studying again aged 44.
Someone actually said to me last month "how do you live such a chaotic life!?!", I never really thought of it that way, I'm just trying to be free.
I feel like that my life seems chaotic but i have this purpose which is so important!
This could’ve been written by an ENTP
I find I can tell the difference between INTJ and ENTP mostly by living. By seeing their day to day, their actions, their decisions.
Else they sound pretty similar/interchangeable.
Intj here.
1.Commitment fits me like a glove. I can learn and master one person and that efficiency is great! I always do check monthly checking with him so that we both know what we appreciate or do not appreciate in the relationship. Juggling people is too much work for me and I never was that girl.
2. My purpose is to live long, live well and die in my home in my sleep peacefully. Everything else is cake and it pads that purpose.
3. I work 9-5 as a secretary and it is one of the most soul sucking job I’ve done this long. Coming on three years and I’m always depressed. Steer clear!
Hope it helps.
I believe it was Mark Twain who spoke of the day we’re born and the day we discover our purpose. Take my word for it, as an old INTJ who was a late bloomer, when you DO discover your purpose, you’ll have no problem with commitment (or self discipline). Best to you.
This is so reassuring, thank you 😊@@user-ze4gu8xp4y
I laughed out loud when you said you are building an INTJ army. Not sure they would like you sharing The Plan with the rest of us! 😂
That’s true. I might have misplayed this strategy… ~ Nathan
It is like trying to herd cats though. It just isn’t going to happen. 😂
@@Sharkuterie327 Instead of trying to herd cats just put a can of wet food where you want them to go. As long as they feel they made the decision for a reason and believe in it you are going to get buy-in and a better result. No reason to give up your cat herding endeavor. Enjoy how grateful those cats are for your manipulating them to follow your will. Offer carrots, not sticks.
@@bethiciaprasek9415 however in the metaphor, they all like different food (intj's having different goals)
@@FlamingOL Valid point. Some of my cats (not necessarily INTJs themselves) love fishy smelling cat food and some are repulsed by it.
On behalf of the female INTJ community: SWOON!! Thank you for making us feel heard and understood.
I 2nd this!
Men really do not get us at all! think we terrify them !! btw boys , they meet us , so excited until they meet our acerbic words and then get terriified, goodness, she is not a Pollyanna or a silly silly girly girl , hell fire I can kick their dumbasses any old day and these days take pure delight in during so, kept me mouth mostly shut way too long but was always a fighter and dang the muggles have almost bored me to death! So we are stronger, tougher, faster and smarter! so stop boring me! at 73 you get to point of go away you BORGS and zombies /sheep !! you obey and submit but never me, it seems to madden them , but it gives me a delight these days!
My advice as an INTJ is to not ignore other people’s feelings because you can easily offend or intimidate people without knowing it. You may be right almost all the time, but that doesn’t mean people will like you. It’s somewhat painful for me to say things in a nice way instead of an efficient blunt way.
Problem is, it's not just what you say, it's what you do. Every job I've left required three FTE's to replace.... And I honestly put in maybe 20 hours a week. Fact is, many people resent that INTJ's seem to complete tasks and generate product quickly. On top of that, the perfectionist makes sure that the product is also quality. We often live in an environment where time spent is more valued than output... because (IMO) it's easier to stare at a screen than think for a moment and get the item at hand completed. I will never forget the day one of my co-workers got visibly upset and told me the process I'm utilizing will replace their job.
I have an annual new year's resolution. My one and only.
"Say less and do more."
It has served me well.
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when i care they walk all over me and when i dont, they dont like me. Better to pee in the sink then to sink in the pee.
If they get offended by it, it is their problem. Not mine.
as an independent consultat you've given me some insight with point 3. i often have time left at the 'end' of the project and that will be used to help my clients with other stuff. I think I need to stop offering based on time and start offering based on result (fixed price). thanks :) also; you know an INTJ army will be usesless. It will be all generals, no foot soldiers.
Love both your points. I’m an editor (big picture rather than commas whenever possible), and charge per word or project, never for my time directly. There are a lot of insights I get as I’m mulling over a story on a walk with my kids I couldn’t charge for by the hour and my pay increases as my efficiency improves.
And I too don’t want to be part of an army, but I always appreciate someone smart and amusing who can see me for the unusual person I love being.
An INTJ is an army of rangers, snipers, and spies. You know the guys you give an objective and let loose
@@kokofan50 Yeah, that's much closer. Though I don't mind being second in command if I can pick the general. He can make all the speeches and go to all the meetings, and I can get on with the business of actually running things. Or as a sign in my dad's back office used to read, do you want to talk to the man in charge or the woman who knows.
😂🤣 Good point.
@@jenniferhanses7064 thought of saying something similar. If someone is more skilled than me, and I got to choose whom I follow, I can follow directions....
Until I don't think your directions make sense, then bets off.😂
I would love to see a video in which you compare all 4 NT types in depth
60 year old INTJ here, I love your concise insights which are always on point, you are one of the few people I would love a conversation with. Happy to join the INTJ army.
Oorah.
I always say, "Make the most of your time. It's the one thing you cannot get more of when it's gone. You can lose money and things and in some senses, even people, and you can always find means of getting more again. But never time. Once that's gone, it's gone for good." So I never trade it for mere money...there has to be more to it. Though that said, I can find meaning in nearly every job I've ever had...there is always some connection to my vision.
As an INTJ, I agree with #1. I told myself I would never impose, and it has freed me as I enjoy the freedom of not depending. As an African Young Woman it freaks my people out sometimes, but I'm glad I follow you. The world is big, and I'm strange but not entirely misunderstood. There are people who have studied my type and still are✨
I've done all three of those things, all at the same time. It was not a good time.
Since then, I've discovered my vision, and I am still working out what to do with the other 2 issues.
I think an INTJ without a goal in life is a very depressed INTJ. Because I had an agonizing few years without a purpose which felt real to me.
I have discovered my vision now. It's my vision which keeps me going everyday.
I spent a few years catering to the wishes of family and the expectations of society. I told myself that I was satisfied with what they wanted me to become. But something always felt wrong.
Only when I finally took a good look at myself, and what I really wanted, did I realize that I was lying to myself. I tried denying what I really wanted because I was lead to believe that my goals are impossible and unrealistic. I had taken the safe, society-approved way in life.
Now, I have a real vision which I actually like, and even if it's impossible, I will give it my best shot.
The sky is the limit, until it's not.
3. Trade time for Money.
That's what happened for me recently. I had a pending job offer that is stable but for that amount of work and time i put in, I can't get enough mental and monetary stimulation from it. Then I got another easier job offer that pays better but requires me to be more flexible and adaptable. I chose the latter.
I got my estranged younger brother on the job too✌️
Absolutely agree 👍...I work a menial job for 3-4 hours a day. I earn enough money to live and have plenty of time to do whatever I want. I never understood the pursuit of money and greater posessions...keeping up with the Jonses', etc. Seemed like such a waste. I just want to live life and experience.
I explained to my coworkers about trading their lives for money and they finally understood what working for someone else actually entails, particularly corporate America.
@@joshpatrick8809 I wholeheartedly agree with you, although I'm a different type.
@@joshpatrick8809 Gratz to you, I also work menial work together so we have spare brainpower to focus our energy more on our side investments and interests on the sidelines haha.
We also live minimalist and not planning to get married so there is not much worries for us. I think its more of a grind if people are planning to have a wife, child, family, house, etc but I find it pointless since everyone dies alone eventually haha. Plus working in corporate with everyone nagging about their own family issues or talking generic stuff over and over again kinda piss me off since I went though all of that when I was young and don't plan to relive all that trauma over again haha
I happily trade time for money so long as what the time gets applied to is all up to me :)
I have to honestly say that I really love and admire the insight and effort Natan puts on the videos on this channel...
Seeing MBTI getting more and more popular and very often getting approached mostly in a horoscopes-like way makes of real insight on the issue something really valuable these days.
Natan, thanks for your effort.🙏🏽
I would add #4: Don't be obsessed over logic. Accept your intuition and emotions on a fundamental level. Suppressing them will only hurt you, and logic isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I think you gotta be careful here. Because given the choice between the two, and both paths being equal, the logic can be far less damaging. I would say intuit first, but check the intuition with logic. Feelings are for football and the bedroom.
Logic is the reason that we can discuss this on technology that would be mind-blowing 30 years ago. I think it would not be a stretch to say that logic is undervalued in the modern world.
@@el_dragon170 On the contrary, logic completely loses sight of and devalues what's important. Technocratic rationalism is hugely damaging for the human character, not to mention everything else around us. It's that very technocratic obsession that makes logic far too overvalued. For logic to be a force for good it has to be subservient to feelings and intuition.
As an older INTJ, I agree. I see the obsession with logic as more of a Ti thing than a Te thing, but learning that your emotions are actually there to guide you rather than hinder you is a very important lesson for INTJs to learn.
@@rad4924 I agree. But explain why emotions are important for you
@@EresirThe1st Im sorry, but I completly disagree, and that is ok.
The concepts of "technocratic rationalism," "destroying everything around us," and "what's important" are all hazy/subjective concepts that could be manipulated without standards or metrics.
The fact of the matter is that lifespans are much longer than they have ever been. Technology has lifted many from short and brutish lives of toil, to a world where we argue over how much leisure time we require.
I respect your right to your opinion and hope that it bears fruit on your path.
Great advice Nathan! The flip side to #2: Don’t narrow down prematurely. It is really easy to get fixated on one idea/course of action that seems the most compelling, even when there might be better alternatives.
I am guilty of the last 2, stuck in a factory job where every single process is messed up to high heavens, but have worked out my routine to where I will only actually work 2-3 hours of the 8-12 hours I’m here. Not happy with most of anything and can’t really see a path of fixing any of it
Know who you really are, on a deeper level. Do a good amount of self-searching. As an INTJ you will likely have many genius ideas, you have to understand that you only have the time to pursue with the maximum intensity a single idea. It's important to know who you really are so whatever you decide to invest your limited time on is something you know your can put your soul into it, that it is not just something you are doing because it's very hard to do or impressive to others, but that actually speaks to who you are deeply.
Been confronting each of these in some way lately as an INTJ. Seems spot on in explaining some of my struggles. Great content.
#1 is my key to everything.
Not having the ability to be completely spontaneous or do as I like without resistance really diminishes what I feel I can do in life.
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"What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self." - Max Stirner
I like both of Rand and Stirner, even their philosophy were different from eachother but not mostly....
An INTJ army sound like something I would be interested in
INTJ army sounds like "dry water" or "hot ice")))
As an InTJ A female I find I have learned the importance of the experiences over the achievement, it was not easy but self reflection and growth is essential. I force myself to get into social situations because I love observing people and finding out what makes them tick. I love deep one on one conversations with other InTjs, INTP’s, EnfJ’s. I have taken these interactions as an opportunity to learn and understand the issues and challenges that people face. Then to find a positive way to address those issues. It’s true we do get very frustrated at what we see as stupid behaviour of people, but everyone has a story and factors that influence their choices in life. My objective has become what can I learn to try to overcome my own shortcomings and improve the lives of those around me. Enjoyed your rendition.
This idea that people generally master both versions of their top 2 functions is super true. Exciting to see you more explicitly on board with the Beebe kinda stuff, I think that's gold
These are all great points! I can see how my belief in all 3 of these is currently playing out in my life, which is neat.
Here is what I am learning about personality typing: It's a lot like falling in love. Or, thinking that's what's happening. Sometimes, you hear/experience something so sweetly familiar, or so overwhelmingly right in the moment, that you think it's the real thing. Until you actually experience something that is definitely the real thing. Which is why it is best to try getting to know many, before settling down with the one.
I have been struggling with the second advice for sometime now, lost most of my interest in humanity.
You know much it's like you been here before, one of the very few people who actually understand the way we think.
You are helping people more than what you think 💚.
wow! the fact that you knew i sometimes actively seek out minions (i'll admit i have some shortcomings) for certains tasks or projects is mindblowing! but understand, i am selective in my choices.
Definitely helped me to quit my job. I've been thinking about it for a month now.
I’m an INTJ and I’ve been struggling with direction for years now. The direction I’ve been going my family constantly discourages me from, which really kills my confidence.
You always make informative and helpful videos thank you ❤️
Thank you! Great, as always!🥰👏🏼
Really glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for leaving a comment as always ~ Nathan
First time I’ve gotten to a video so soon after upload
Very thoughtful, thank u!
Ni: Making every decision (whether you feel like it or not) based on what you're planning on doing for the next ten years.
I like how you talk. You sound so wise.😁
Thank you, it should be helpful. I always optimise to have as much time left for me as possible and yet still get necessary things done
Yes, I pretty much agree with the content. I was mentally walking through as you were talking and it pretty much tracks for me. Interesting, when I was younger I used to test as an INTP, as I got older it's always INTJ now. Personality has probably settled.
I work in a therapy office. I have soooo many jobs. I’m compliance, hr, office manager, secretary… I feel like I have too much thrown at me without instructions and it feels like adult baby sitting. It’s miserable. Plus my best friend is my boss so my loyalty to her stops me from leaving. I’m drowning 😔
From taking in information (Ni) from the sensory world around us (Se) done through the eyes = vision (observation, reading), ears = hearing, taste, touch, smell -> it leads to forming a so-called database of impressions and variety in terms of sensory stored information. That sort of variety makes it look like Ne. For Ne, it is different. To offer novel/transformative ideas, you need Si which is grounded in sensory stabilization and seeking comfort. That makes the type look like they are good at Ni.
You are trying to build an INTJ army? What’s the end goal…. You are drawing me in!! World domination? Or maybe we are going to build a road map of separating ourselves from society? Either way, I am in!
I concur. Either outcome would be beneficial, however, I have a preference towards domination.
I have already separated myself from society. I am a stranger in a strange land, an alien star seed. If you have not noticed, a divergence is happening in our society already, those who want to devolve versus those who want to evolve.
We can be Minions!!! I love bananas!
Bold of you to assume the INTJ's aren't recruiting YOU to promote them
That last explains why I so hated my early on the clock jobs. We always got to where there was nothing to do except wait for the shift to run out. At Sonic, they made us weigh out frozen French fries. I learned to loathe French fries that summer.
I've noticed I'm much more creative when being payed for my time rather than for results.
As in when I had to go to school/university or a dull job, I was writing, drawing and thinking much more and to better results, than when I had plenty of free time or a specific work to do.
I think it was mostly based on the fact that I never had to put any effort to have great grades or do my work properly, so my brain was instantly switching to another thing that interested me better. On the other hand, when I can optimize my way of doing a specific task or I'm on vacation I start to procrastinate to levels unimaginable to mortals.
Well, I've done two of these, and both went about as well as expected, so you might be on to something here. I'd never trade time for money though(more than anyone needs to survive). Money's not even real, and time is the one resource I can't get more of. Imagine me wasting time on currency.
INTJ here. Favourite channel.
You had me at Ayn Rand. =)
It's interesting being a Christian female with the personality needs of an INTJ - the need to be independent combined with the traditional values of femininity. I marvel at Fe and it's drive to tackle social issues, but I don't naturally gravitate there myself - still, such explorations open up the possibility for some fascinating moral discussions, for example the idea of Biblical submission is not the same as the idea of submission in the traditional sense - but is actually very forward-thinking and orderly in it's application
the dependency one hits hard because I've let my father decide my post secondary career and he can afford to hold me hostage with money.
it certainly fuels the apathy, even hate, I have for my degree.
Hostage is a pretty intense word, here. It's not easy deciding to be independent of your wealth privilege but you do have that choice.
I would be outmaneuvering dear old Dad, nobody’s gonna hold me hostage 😂.
I am INTJ THANK YOU AND THANK GOD ALMIGHTY FOR YOU! Have a great day! ITS AWESOME WHAT YOU ARE SHARING! 🔥🔥🔥🌷🌷🌷🥰🤩💕💕💕♥️♥️♥️♥️
Really resonate with this.
Excellent. On point. Especially the time and money. I was contracted to learn 4 job functions. I worked overtime without pay for 2.5 months to get everything organized efficiently. Once that was done, I worked 2.5-3 hours per day, with the exception of 2 days at the end of the month because I had to rely on others to get things done in order to get my work done.
At another job, I worked 1 week to 1.5 weeks and take off 2 - 3 weeks depending on how many weeks in a money.
Top quality performance, and outperformed other employees. I’m a badass bitch on the job.
But you don’t find employers who pay for output on a professional level.
For the first one, I needed help from a co-worker because he has way more competence in a field where I barely have any. But he's been way too busy and unreliable timewise so now I'm just learning the competence I need from him and will just cut him out of that
Thank you 🙏🏻
This punkass emotional dependency does take me off track and make me lose my sense of direction
Number 3, definitely hit home. I have taken the lower paying jobs often. In fact what I still consider today as my best job was also my lowest paying.
But when you as for an application and told there really wasn’t one. What I had to do was list the last ten books I read and my own top ten all time list.
It had to be back within 48 hours told to prepare to defend those two columns. To the boss for about an hour. That’s a challenge I’m picking up every time.
Have you considered making videos about typing characters in books and movies?
Thank you :)
Time and money for us is a matter of resource acquisition to purchase experience. So, status for its own sake is a waste. To take advantage of it to move on is understandable.
I agree about the planning part.
Re: #1. I was dependent on steroids: being codependent with someone. I spent those 6 months as a shell of my former self, depending on that person for my own validation.
*8th!!* ENFJ with INTJ dad and a healthy INTJ Bestie😂🤙🏾
Hey.......waiting for the INTJ as leaders vedio....hope we will get it soon
I was an entj several years ago, now i am intj. Interesting to learn even about myself
Breathe, live, attempt goals…. I’m kidding I imagined an older INTJ telling a young non listening INTJ this as a way to garner actual advice about not wasting too much time on their first singular goal to save them time from backtracking. As far as relationships if they are solely looking at life from a this is chaos I need to get to a point of calmer control than they are not ready for relationships. While it is not necessary to depend on others, the INTJ should in therapy discuss their early years to make sure that any attachment styles weren’t also integrated into an already detached subset of people. This way they won’t hurt others with their blind spot of fe and can be more honest about their actual needs and wants in life and only securely attached folks can decide if that’s what they would also want in a partner. The poor anxious ones can’t compute the not needing others and need more therapy otherwise they may fall into just victim and persecutor roles with possible TJs and that’s just a massive communication projection thing. It won’t happen since we still need entertainment and if we have these ideals on romance that are also not maybe real, or the healthiest than we will always have their darker twin. However, maybe the secure would not exist without the light and shadow too. Oh man, maybe we need AI but just for the INTJs to live on a productivity planet. Oh my gosh, hahah I’m not a thinker how does this work haha.
I can tell you exactly why (in my case) I have such a strong need for variety for variety’s sake... my brain is wholly geared toward assessing, analyzing, and formulating conclusions about EVERYTHING in the world around me. So everything will, relatively quickly, get boiled down to its core components (usually erroneously if it’s not a major area of study). Once this happens, it’s deadly dull.
Funny thing is, it isn’t just with topics of study or what I do for work, it even applies to my physical surroundings. I cannot explain to you how much I hate housing developments for example... if I see another house with off-white vinyl siding I might just puke. My brain is geared toward figuring things out, and if I don’t have that in my life, I feel like I might as well be dead, so strong is that instinct.
- Some INTJ
We’re allergic to boredom, we hate conformity - feeling ya there 😊
2:45 Thanks for making this point
*INTJ!* Product of an ENTJ + INFJ. 4th
First two points - right in the apple, word by word. Although I would notice that choosing a direction is quite a task for an INTJ, because it requires the confidence and trust that these particular way and devotion are the best of availiable. So, it's easier to say than to fulfill)
I have doubts about the third point, because the manner you offer for INTJs is a way of uncertainty, and I guess, INTJ would run away from uncertainty as much as it's possible in their current situation. In our Russia working for results, not for hours, will result in constant deception in salary, employer will doubt either your results or an amount of the work accomplished. (Lenin told that there's no crime a capitalist will not commit for 300% profit.) And an INTJ hate to be deceived, to feel being mentally outplayed and have their labour gone for nothing in result, THAT'S A DISASTER, I swear.
Maybe, I somehow tend to ISTJ narrative, but no, thanks, I choose certainty. Although, it doesn't mean I will stay on the same place if I see a better occupation - I agree that one shall always strive to make its life better (if possible, lawful and not affecting others).
My notes:
1. Keep authenticity, and autonomy
2. Keep focusing
3. Buy time, and keep using the big picture
The extroverted thinking is what really brings them high level of logic and confidence, competence, and independence.
Freedom is the most important substance for me
very few things are worse for me than 'needing' anyone. wanting, sure, needing...no.
Websites like Etsy are great for INTJs because you can earn money based upon your effort, not your time. I design products for a living using 3D modeling software. Once a model has been created it can be published for download and create revenue far beyond the time it took to create.
thank you
You should see what kind of commercials they play in Greece from England. 💃🏽-🇩🇪
God it’s painful to read so many people jerk themselves off over being a “thinker” due to something akin to astrology.
I didn't know that. Types can do both versions of their top two functions very well. That means that TJ types are really good at introverted thinking as well.
Yup I can relate to the said..😁🤩🤭
INTJ here, I’m watching and listening, the army is growing
I only know one INTJ and I consider myself fortunate. There’s no point arguing about logic vs emotion. We simply need both and we benefit from consulting both when forging our way through life.
An army? Sure, I'm down for it. I'll be one of the thousands of main generals then.
#3: EXACTLY what I'm struggling with in my business right now! Trying to get customers to hold me to my results, not time spent. 😏 I wish I could show them actual proof: nominal rate vs hourly; happy client vs never-satisfied client.
Read Value-Based Fees by Alan Weiss...it helped me learn to think in terms of value to my clients and articulate that to them.
I am an INTJ I never comment but I am up for being in your army
You're dead right. I'd gladly add one more from my personal experience: Never go without a plan B!
Sometimes, you want something at all costs and at times, the only way to even have a chance of getting is to go all in, but that means that you're screwed in case of failure!
I was the best in class, in multiple topics, in school and I excelled in sciences. I fell in love with chemistry and got the best score in my school's history in that subject. From that point on it felt like it was my destiny to become a Professor and perhaps a Nobel prize laureate (wasn't my personal ambition, but enough people thought that I had the potential). At university, I enrolled with maybe 400 other students and was in place 30 after the exams. At that point, I did believe in destiny.
However, I soon faced a major setback that should have served me as a warning: due to a miscommunication (I was little to blame, but my fault was that I didn't care to smooth things over and failed to realize how many egos got bruised causing me to become a persona non grata despite it not being my fault for pissing off their Professor due to their incompetence and ignorance; all I had contributed was to answer a question truthfully). Suddenly, I couldn't do a practical course in the field I wanted and I was left dumbstruck as to the reason why... During my Ph.D., I suddenly struggled on all fronts, but it was little in terms of actual sciences, but rather having a volatile boss, backstabbing colleagues, and having to rely on information that was more often than not embellished, if not utterly fabricated (but often publicized and cited). The workload, sleep deprivation, bad luck, being in an environment that can literally kill you, as most safety precautions were only possible on paper, having constantly to manage scarcity and choose the lesser evil, the constant fights between my colleagues, getting accused of theft, another person of 6ual harassment, etc. just burnt me out. It felt like being stuck in a war well past the point you were supposed to be granted a leave.
I finally managed to defend my Ph.D. in 2018 and I haven't found a suitable j0b ever since! My first employer was just like the University where I did my Ph.D.: unpaid overtime, a boss who doesn't care about the rules, and about the lives of his employees in particular, and once again the constant dread that something is about to end in a major catastrophe. Again, I was not paid nearly as much as I was promised according to my contract, and the vacation was on paper only. Moreover, I was totally overqualified for my work, which is nothing an INTJ can handle for long... The company lasted 9 months after I joined and in that time, there was one explosion that nearly killed my boss and narrowly missed a bunch of civilians who happened to be on their way to school as the windows turned into shrapnel. That wasn't what landed us on page one though. We became finally bankrupt and thanks to multiple, preventable, and recognized human errors, the company caused an environmental catastrophe poisoning the groundwater...
For the rest of these years until now, I only had one unpaid (!) trainee position and spend the rest of my time seeking for work! I kept hearing that I was overqualified, or that I lacked industry experience... What I realized though was that I sucked at selling things and at networking and that everything around me is politics...
I have little hope off ever going back to my beloved research. I won't do a Postdoc for the simple reason that the universities around me treat us as expendable human resources that can be fired anytime and for any reason. You have 0 rights and an impossibly high workload and if you break down, you get fired! Plus, I can't become a Professor having to deal with securing funding and networking with other researchers as a lot of it is utter BS (by that I mean that you know that a famous paper is a fraud, but you are not allowed to expose them for political reasons, etc. and you get dragged into corruption everywhere and have to organize a work environment where it's impossible to follow basic safety regulations, but you have to sell everything as if your research, your university, etc. was the best possible thing in the world...).
I just hope that I can find work where I can still apply a decent amount of what I've learned and keep on learning for the j0b. Plus, I really seek stability and at least a bit better working conditions. At the moment, I just feel powerless like a leave being carried away by a river.
PS: I could write easily twice as much about the breaches of safety regulations and what I've noticed about universities being corrupt. I just want to add that I nearly lost two colleagues because we didn't have the budget for a few clamps worth a couple of dollars, while at the same time, a different budget had to be wasted before the year ends...
INTJ here.
My focus is basically two things:
1. Fear is for the weak.
2. Get 1% better each day.
1. Fear is for the smart
2. That would mean you should reach perfection in a 100 days
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I think 100% are defined as the starting point. Each day you get 1% better in comparison to the last day. Strictly speaking this would mean you reach 200% in less then 100 days. The point is that a slow and steady growth is better than a fast and unsteady one.
At least I think thats what he meant.
However I agree that fear is not always for the weak. It has its function.
Second is definitely an ISTJ's approach, not INTJ's. And concerning the first point, I think we INTJs have enough reflection capability to catch ourselves on thinking in absolutes (which we are naturely inclined to, but that's not unavoidable).
You know, we INTJs don't like defiant guys, who try to tell us what to do and what to be)
For those commenting on fear...
1. Fear is for the living.
It is neither exclusively for the smart nor the weak, nor any combination thereof. Fear is an autonomic nervous response that sets off a chain reaction that serves our self preservation instinct. Even lizards experience fear. When we feel fear, the synaptic firing is faster than when we understand fear. This means it is independent from an ability to be judged by how smart or dumb someone is... In simple terms, it's an instinct not a conscious thought process.
So, feeling it doesn't make you weak nor smart.
Now, once you've acknowledged you're feeling afraid, what you do about that might relate moreso to each of your judgments (one is weak or one is smart). Though, I must say, both of these absolutes are entirely too simplistic for such a foundational experience of being alive as fear.
As for #2, that's simply not how human behavior works. We cannot grow at a constant rate in any given skill. Some days we have set backs. Sometimes those very setbacks will the create a breakthrough and propel us forward drastically. Sometimes, they will merely be setbacks.
If you mean to say that we should be intentional about putting our NiFi goals into Se action, little by little eveey day, I can totally get down with that advice! I make Te plans to do that all the time that I don't follow through with, lol! Maybe I'll get better at Se in my 40s. 🤣
Fear is not for the weak. Fear is for everyone. For you have been food for most of your evolutionary history. It would be idiotic to be fearless. I’m sure you can see this point.
You can only hope to react to your fear in ways that you can own. You cannot eradicate fear. So it’s not going to help to associate it with weakness.
Evolution/biology doesn’t behave NT. It needs tons of room for messiness for all of the murder that is necessary for evolution. Ni doms should be able to relate to the idea of a core and primary idea/mode of operation. As much as you may want to optimize biology, it will always protects its murder because that’s what makes it all go round after all. The chaos is essential to evolution.
Hey as a fellow NT, I wish it weren’t so. But the overwhelming pattern is otherwise. Imposing order on to chaos because that would feel better is irrational and that cannot be tolerated.
Think interdisciplinary because that’s how it actually works. These categories they are for our description. Nature does not obey them.
I would consider your offer if only I did not have to forgo my independence. Alas.
If I am an INTJ, or even if not, I am trapped and I hate it.
"Whereas some types will happily take things one day at a time.." - That sounds like pure hell to me. What's the benefit in that? I just don't understand.
I concur. Excellent video. I will be your general in your INTJ army. I agree with most of what you said, however there is a slight place where I disagree. It seems you are underestimating the importance of being financially powerful and having a lot of money. INTJ's obviously won't want the money to hoard and to keep as a "status symbol", they will use it to create and build, and further their goals, plans and agenda. Even Nicola Tesla needed money to bring his dreams to fruition. A lot of it. And that is why he struggled much when he couldn't get it. His plans were warped and his progress was impeded because he lacked the the full financial power to continue his work and succeed.
I agree. Hence it is a dilemma to me, an INTJ at the beginning of my journey, to prioritize between money and my vision.
I realize that I require a lot of money to achieve my goals, but I also realize that by the time I am financially rich enough I will be too old to bring my overarching vision into fruition.
Any advice, fellow INTJs?
@@virginiagwen6523 You need to devise a better money making strategy. Yes. if you are working 9 to 5 at a corporate job even being paid $100,000-$150,000 a year, you may be able to save money but it’s going to take you a considerable amount of time before you can accumulate a very large amount to do “much”. And even to get to that position of making that much money in the first place would require years of work experience and the acquisition of various credentials diplomas, degrees etc. So just working and “saving money” isn’t really the best option. I suggest you become a thought leader in a specific field or niche. Do research, read books, buy courses, educate yourself learn from all the other people who have succeeded in where you want to specialise, and then take what you have learned from them, and others, and add a little of your own originality and synthesis the knowledge into something useful that would benefit people and society. I know it won’t be easy, and this is actually a long tedious process, but are a crap ton of effective ways to make a considerable amount of money. You just have to find out what works best for you, and pursue that each day with everything you’ve got. You’d be surprised with what you’d achieve 5 years later. But the last thing you want to do, is stay in your “comfort zone” and not boldly travel into the unknown.
@@Fonch117 yep, precisely. As a proverb says, "you should work not 12 hours a day, but by your head".
"I'm trying to build an intj army" every intj ever who's fed up with the other more commonly found types
What is your accent; Welsh? Whatever it is, love it.
I am indeed from Wales, South Wales specifically! ~ Nathan
Hmmm... and INTJ army would be nice.
To make some counter statements, however:
1) Dependency. We are all dependent on each other. We cannot escape this fact unless we want to buy a private island and live off the land. For the rest of us who don't have the millions of dollars that would take, we live in countries ultimately ruled by the will of the people, as it is the people who choose to accept the form of government that they're under even if they're not a democracy. We have jobs that are dependent on coworker, or, even if we own the company, we are dependent on those workers beneath us to be dedicated to their work. We depend on other people obeying the rule of law and not attacking us or stealing from us (and sure, you could buy weapons to fend off attackers, but it would change the entire feel of the world if that were the only way you could be safe rather than just an option for additional personal security). I could go on and on, but ultimately, we're trapped in a web of dependency. Our actual freedom comes in the choices we make in navigating that web: How we choose to treat others, when we decide enough is enough and we're going to cut relations/business ties with someone else, what ideologies we choose to adhere to. We all make choices within the web. But short of being a multimillionaire with an island who lives off the land, again, there's no way out of it.
And if someone can come up with another way out of it, I would love to hear it.
2) Lose direction. I don't think I've ever had much direction in my life. To cut to the chase, I became suicidal as a child due to an abusive upbringing. So I confronted the whole question of what was the purpose of life when I was less than 10 years old. And my conclusion has not really changed much over the years: To experience life and gather data for whatever greater consciousness you would like to believe exists. Which means basically to live life. Or if you believe no such thing exists, then the only purpose of life is to live it. Succeed or fail at any given task, the result doesn't matter to the end goal. Direction is ultimately transitory or illusory, and once you stand atop the peak of success of a thing there is no more direction. Either that, or you may have trapped yourself upon the hamster wheel of eternity, with victory out of your grasp, and that leads to being easily controlled.
I'm not going to say having no direction is great, or that failure is great, or that depression is great. And of course, different people will have different perspectives. But I think for an INTJ, what matters more than direction is not losing sight of who you are. It's not goal dependent. It's dependent on the traits in yourself that you value, as well as who you want to be when tough decisions need to be made.
3) Trade Time for Money. Okay, I agree with you here. We're the hardest working lazy people, and we're happy figuring out how to complete a project efficiently, and then having the leftover time for ourselves. But as we are dependent on others and can't escape that, most of us don't get that option and have to trade time for money in order to trade money for food and shelter.
5th. Also INTJ
Love your pose😀
Ya, don't be an INTJ and become disabled, that's for sure. I can't help my dependence now and I absolutely hate it. If I didn't have a young child I would have pulled my proverbial plug already.
You are going to have a hard time getting an INTJ army to do anything they don't want to do. 😉
Some people might say to INTJs: "Don't focus so much on the future," but Ni wants to plan for the future. Rather than suppressing the Ni future planning, lean into it. Allow your Ni to envision the future, and perhaps several different futures. Allow your mind to go there, even in a systematic way; write down different ideas about several possible futures. What do you want? Allow the Ni to be fully satisfied.
It's okay (and maybe preferable) to "have plan(s)" and for them to not work out as you imagine it. Instead, have multiple plans, and know and expect that they will not work out as originally envisioned. Ni is not looking for "one solid plan for the future," but is actually working on multiple plans, and updating them as the environmental circumstances change. The plan is just a template, and it is being updated dynamically as we move forward in life. We don't have just one plan, we have many sub-plans. An INTJ "without a plan" will be unhappy and restless. We need a plan, and it is actually expected that the plan won't come to fruition as we envision it. Having the plan, gives piece of mind.
This is sooooo freaking true... Also it all happens inside the head. An INTJ wil go through the whole universe and make and update a LOT of plans and (mostly)no one will be able to guess anything (cuz people are not mind readers). So they think we are very chaotic and unpredictable.
Sometimes we suddenly start doing something and people around us don't understand what we are doing and why.
I had to learn to put at least some of my thoughts into words to explain to others about what the heck is happening.
I know the grammar is horrible. English is not my first language.
@@zirwasiddique7658 So true -->"it all happens inside ours heads" and people don't see it happening, so they may think we are not doing things, or, they may be surprised by our actions.
@@MBTI_Fanatic Yes. This used to happen to me a lot. I used to assume that my room mates know what is going on, but they didn't. And it finally clicked that how could they possibly know? So I started explaining a little bit and they were like "Oh, that's a good idea." Or sometimes they would point out something I had forgotten to take into account...
If you ever need a reference to how an intj acts look at “Destiny” UA-cam channel and just listen to the way he speaks and the connections he make
You are THE minion, Nathan.
So than Black Rock CEO Larry Fink is an Intj, like Steve Jobs, right?