Tonya Harding-Gillooly (USA) - 1992 Worlds, Ladies' Original Program
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Oakland, California, USA - 1992 World Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Original Program - First, a profile on Tonya Harding-Gillooly of the United States, followed by her skate, where she missed the combination and received a 0.5 deduction for omitting the combination in her program. She placed 6th after this skate.
RIP BARBARA FLOWERS, Tonya's former choreographer.
This was such a beautiful program, she almost never missed a triple lutz combination so it’s so heartbreaking to see it here.
This skating costume looks amazing on her, its a great color for her.
I LOVE it!!!
She does look good in it.
She looks stunning
How beautiful is this program???!!!!! And what a beauty is she, so gorgeous & skating so great!!!! Big respect also to the choreographer!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Agreed on all counts!! 💯💙
Yeah...wonderfull it was!
For me, what really stands out in this program is how fast and centered her spins were. Her positions were also very pretty.
Even when she made mistakes, Tonya's performances were all so electrifying and fun to watch.
I agree completely! 💯
She did have a bad day...I guess!
Bad decisions all around adversely affected her skating.
Dody Teachman was the better coach of the two, yet Tonya decided to go back to Diane Rawlinson, who basically was intimidated by Tonya and said "Yes" to her every time.
Tonya landed her triple axels while Dody was still her coach.
When she switched to Diane, her programs deteriorated.
Worst factor of all was Tonya's loser of a husband Jeff Gilooly, who impacted Tonya negatively in just about every aspect of her life.
Rest they say is history.
Absolutely. Her programs were a lot better with Teachman. And IIRC, Tonya said Jeff didn't like Teachman and wanted her to go back to Rawlinson. Probably because Teachman called him out on his abusive BS, while Rawlinson thought Jeff gave Tonya stability. All about control for him.
Such a shame about this program... truly the best constructed in her later career
The combo should be earlier so if she pops she can use that as her double jump
That dress is truly BEAUTIFUL!!!
A real dream...yep!
I used to skate but not competitive. I trained myself by watching on TV. This was in the early 80s on a ice pond on a farm! I fell a lot too but kept going. I also did gymnastics as well. I did it all on my own.
This was such a lovely program! Why didn’t she keep it?
Yes that was also a riddle to me....!
She said she couldn’t focus on the jumps with so much choreo
6:58 - 7:03
Never saw that sort of thing before - beautiful!!
💚💚💚
The best I ever saw!
Just listen to that crowd! Wow!!
I have not seen this program until just now. It was beautiful! Yes, she missed her combination, but it was a beautiful program to beautiful music! As Peggy Fleming once said, Tonya understands “the power of music.” I wonder if there is a version of this where she hit all the jumps.
This was such a beautiful program. I wish she would have kept it.
640-7 min is great work
Wtf she always has an issue with her skates!?
The best
I love that thing when she kicks back in the air! Nancy's elegant, I guess, but her one leg kick back things are like so fast and heavy. It makes me uncomfortable because Tonya gets so much height with just one of them that when she falls, I feel she is gliding in the air instead of like KaPOW! SORRY NANCY 😇
I love that move, too! It's totally Tonya! 💯
One leg kick back thing? What move is that? Geez!!!
She was a very attractive lady. Not so much now.
I hate Sandra and Tom's commentary. I wish they would both shut up! They spoil the enjoyment of watching it (and I know Sandra's knows her stuff . . . just so annoying)!
Harding is in the spotlight all over again, and I for one I'm happy that her skating is getting re evaluated. I think she had the raw talent to create something new in the sport, open up different possibilities in terms of choreography and program composition. Her calling card was "i don't fit the mold", but when you say that, you also have to present the other mold you fit instead. This program is lovely and presents a less stressed and fidgety Harding. at times, her line is unfussed and she even seems to enjoy the feeling of it. For someone who made a name for herself with her jumping prowess, this feeling of freedom goes completely away as she prepares every jump, and this is obvious throughout. I think this is what the criticism always came from, and it was always translated as "no grace/just jumps". It saddens me that her talent was not allowed to mature. I have a feeling that the older Harding, skating professionally and without the pressures to qualify for world's/olympics, would have done cool things in terms of choreography if she had teamed with the right people, who would have catered to her unique physical strengths and gone past the tragic stripper music she would always include in the middle of her long programs. She, alongside Midori Ito and Surya Bonali, could have joined forces and made a significant case for a more athletic version of skating, and ultimately provide more variety for the viewers. We sure could use some of it nowadays.
She wouldn't have had a successful pro career. She was lazy. She might have gotten a season with Tom Collins, but would have squandered that opportunity. And blame everyone else around her for getting booted off the tour.
Really? In your dreams!
the combination was at such a beautiful swell in the music, had she landed it, it would have undoubtedly have been one of Tonya's classic programs. And as was said earlier, undoubtedly would have put her in position for gold or silver. Something of a microcosm for her whole career: so much potential.
She was and will always be one of the best. Too bad she didn't have the right people guiding her
I agree. She went through all the trouble of developing this program and then never used it again. And it was a beautiful program. It would probably have gotten even better.
It’s beautiful!
I wish she pulled this off. She would have been in the top 3 if she did no doubt. I love the serpentine footwork steps at 6;40, very beautiful and very difficult.
I really liked this program. I liked the unusual order in which the elements were delivered (open with a spiral, perform the easiest jump as the 1st jump and 3rd element). Everyone here is right -- this was worth working on and keeping for another season. It was a tad foolish to try and rush 2 new programs so soon. It normally, really, just isn't done.
She should've kept this short for the '92-'93 season....beautiful program!
Imagine getting this much crap for coming 4th at the Olympics.
But when Nancy Kerrigan bombed, and I mean BOMBED at the 93 worlds, it was hardly ever mentioned, even in her lead-up to the 94 Olympics
Sooz Kempner US got me where near 4th at last olympics.
To even be at the Olympics is such an achievement. Had tonya a different upbringing, who knows what she might have achieved.
@@rebahensley5323
People have used basketball to get themselves out of the projects. But figure skating? That's something else. Basketball is more affordable than figure skating because of the equipment and facilities involved. Now the skaters from the former Soviet countries have to pay their way just like everybody else ha-ha!
@@lauribricker9439 whatever it takes to achieve your dreams.😉
This program was a keeper. I don't know why they didn't keep this for 1993 or at least bring it back for 1994.
renzy79 I like much adu about nothing and it’s. Better to have the combo earlier
I agree!
one of the best programs i've ever seen her do.
Such a pretty program for her. The way the music builds into the combination. Just imagine how this program would have been if she landed it. I wish she would have kept this program for another season.
Thanks for posting this!
Outstanding! Performance
So she placed 6th after this based off of the lack of required elements or something right? because really she skated beautifully
+Chris Coyne She missed her two-jump combination. In the short program (unlike in the long) there are 7 required elements that each skater MUST perform, and missing even one is disastrous and incurs a severe markdown.
I believe she actually was fourth after the short and sixth in final placement. Perhaps out of respect for her as the prior year's silver medalist, the judges penalized her as required but awarded her high marks for presentation, placing her ahead of competitors who skated more cleanly. I think that this was her best artistic performance ever. She should have kept and developed the program.
Dylvente I agree, this choreo is so beautiful to watch
I don't know too much about skating rules, but why couldn't Tonya just do the two-jump combination later on in the program if she missed it earlier?
lflagr some competitions had rules of if you miss it when/where it’s planned, you get a deduction, so no point in adding it in later since it’s already a miss
Sadly, Barbara Flowers died the next year. She tried to help Tonya the best she could
metsdudenj Oh, wow. She did? Had no idea. How did she die?
Hey tide, she had cancer.
Damn. Sorry to hear that. She choreographed some amazing programs.
tide32athlete Especially considering Tonya was so hard to work with, she did a pretty good job, but Tonya wouldnt compromise on the music or the costumes, which is why he look was so unpolished
+Scott Fiero Where exactly are you seeing an ignorant and hateful comment?
"And here is the stubborn-talented-tough-tomboy...!!!!". WTF
I wish the announcers would've kept their disparaging opinions of Tonya to themselves!
Amazing transformation
She should have concentrated on skating and forget about men.
one or many. it was a distraction was my point.
+vistaprime She had a variety of distractions, including that bloodsucker Jeff. I agree; it was very unfortunate.
How to forget about men?
Rex K women need men, men need women
scottee2hotee52 that’s Bs about them forcing her to go back with him
Her skating was better with Dody Teachman as her coach. Diane seems like a pushover
In I,Tonya Diane is portrayed has abit of a fairy but not sure what she was like in real life, Love this programme though.
Cat AMD I have seen real footage of Diane asking Tonya to do certain jumps and Tonya says 'not gonna happen' Diane seemed to just let her do her own thing while Dody seemed to talk her into it and help her realize why she needed to do certain things
Maybe she was too familiar with Diane.
Yeees
Plus, Dody kinda let her be herself in the choreography. Diane was trying to make her Nancy kerrigsn or Kristi yamaguchi
All this talk of mistakes, even before her infamous incident. What did she do, not win a medal? She was right, she was not liked even back then.
great original program!!!!!! but if u put the double jump early in the program, if u mess up the combination u can't add it later. but artistically a great program.
The required jump was a double flip, so even if she did the double lutz first it couldn't have substituted : /
@@JeffB2015 But if the flubbed combo had been done first, Tonya could have improvised and made the planned 2flip be a 3flip-2toe combo. The required solo double jump could be anything except the axel.
@@e2theeyepie she was bad about improvising though. Example: if she missed the 3a she didn’t sub the double for it
And they said Tonya could never be an artistic skater
She was very artistic in her moves!
Absolutely, she was graceful, and I hate that the media pretended she wasn't..
I adore her Olympic Exhibition in Albertville 1992. Just stunning.
I agree. I don't know why she didn't. I went over very well with the judges artistically. Maybe she just didn't prefer the style.
I can't be sure because of the speed the camera is moving but If you watch closely when tonya misses her combination around 6:29 you can see Diane Rawlinson at the side of the rink make what looks like a angry or bewildered gesture at Tonya, not great while she was still skating. Diane didn't seem a like a big clapper either while Tonya was skating. Maybe not quite the easy going coach she appeared to be.
Gosh yes watching it in a larger screen you definitely see a reaction on her coaches face and a hand gesture that seems more of confusion than anger though.
Tonya used this program for her exhibition at the Olympics a few weeks earlier: ua-cam.com/video/FzWMsH1xvy4/v-deo.html
@proxy22 It had to be reputation. I have made this comment elsewhere, that here and at the Olympics, Preston was grossly undermarked (though a few of the judges got it right) and underplaced.
I agree Preston was undermarked both events but one problem she has is her skating looks bottom heavy which tends to make her jumps look small (even if/ when they are not) and her skating look labored and slow.
I wonder if this is the dress she was told to never wear again because I’ve never seen her wear it besides here.
AFAIK that was a pink Dress. I like this one here btw, mint-green Looks good on Tonya.
That was a great program too bad she fell
Very sad...indeed!
Tumultuous upbringing: the skating world knew her mom abused her , her husband abused her, her step brother abused her. Yet rather than rally around and support/show her who/how to be. Instead they chose to shun her. The world of figure skating should b ashamed. This girl was pure raw talent, fire and joy on ice. She was not the perfect ice princess , her life was not ice princess she was young.
Ikr? The entire skating world KNEW her husband was belting seven bells out of her, and not one of them did a freaking thing. Not. One. You'd think at least one person would have had the decency to quietly slip her the number of an domestic abuse hotline, or even simply say "Hey, Tonya, is everything OK?" Nope. The whole damn lot of them shunned her. I really wonder how they sleep at night.
@@chooseyourpoison5105 You made that all up!!!
@@waynehentley4332 Really? I wish I WAS making it up. Go read some of the biographies on her, watch the documentaries, or better yet, talk to someone who knew her. Then we'll talk.
@@chooseyourpoison5105 😢😢😢😢😢
Firing Dodi was a mistake on her part, after that she really went downhill, dodi seemed the strict type and Diane seemed to be like a pushover mom that Tonya could walk all over
From Stuff I have read it might have been the other way around, Diane trying to control everything about Tonya from Dress to hair to nails to what she was allowed to say, where Dody was a little more free with Tonya, but who knows Diane might have been all about showing a good appearance so acted all soft around the cameras.
I disagree, Diane understood Tonya. She recognized when to push and when not to. Tonya is smart, strong willed, tough, and determined.
Diane recognized that fighting with her would only sought to unbalance her. She had enough of that at home.
It needed to make sense to Tonya. No amount of strong arming was gonna get it done...Diane understood that.
Better to lose a battle, and win the war. 😉
@@K-OnTheCase According to some article in "Sports Illustrated" from 1992 (available online) to Tonya it felt like Diane wanted to Control everything, at least for some time. Even if this wasn't Diane's Intention.
I think she was trying her damndest to make Tonya like everyone else. It didn’t work.
Imagine if both of them coached her. She would have had multiple world titles.
There were a lot of skaters who probably should've placed above this. Preston, Claeys, Chouinard... Sato, Neske, Kielmann, Bonaly.
I have never saw her skate a clean program EVER !!!! The few times she was first she always popped a jump. Most of her programs she was never clean.
Her coach supported and financed Tonya for years and Tonya treated her like fucking shit.
'91 Nationals. '91 Skate America--granted, a popped double axel at the end, but who cares, given that she landed six different triple jumps?
She did many clean programs. Anyone saying differently just didn't watch much figure skating. Smh.
Tonya is a legend 💙
how the hell did this beat karen preston?
Well artistically this was far stronger than Preston's skate. The double axel, combination spin, and footwork sequence were all much better, even if the layback was a bit weaker.
I really liked this program. However, what in the HELL is UP with Diane Rawlinson's "Carol Channing" wig?????? Diane looks ridiculous. Is she bald or something?
You never know what people are going through. Criticizing them because of your own lack of knowledge for their personal life is a poor and classless excuse.
I thought it was her own hair.
Pffffttt
A wasn't a wig it was her own hair.
Tonya forever cast a dark cloud over the world of figure skating. A sport meant for the graceful, elegant, talented and determined was tainted by a violent, insecure and unsuccessful individual. When someone finds it acceptable to attempt to disfigure their competition they are a mere criminal and belong in prison.
It was Tonya's ex-husband and his cronies who were convicted of the crime, not Tonya. And she was banned for life from amateur and professional skating.
A dark cloud that only gave them more money yeah....curse? BITCH.
Insecure (emotionally), Maybe. But That's no wonder because of the abuse she had to endure (by her mother and Jeff Gillooly). But on the ice she WAS confident enough NOT having a reason to put Nancy Kerrigan out of Competition. Jeff Gillooly was the violent one. Tonya might have not have a totally clean slate (by not taking some very vague Statements she overheard beforehand not seriously... but there were - without a name - not definite enough gto go to the authorities with... and by not coming Forward with the Information immediately after she learned that (definitely) Gillooly and Eackardt were behind the asault. But then Gillooly had intimidated her in a massive and violent way. She was afraid.), but she is nOT as guilty as many People want her to be (because condemning someone completely is easier than having a closer look.
This article (yes, it's a blog, not a newspaper, but it's bases on ACTUAL files and Reports from court/Police etc. so it's a serious/reliable source and yes, it's Long, but it has to be to cover all Points) Shows that the "hard" evidence against Tonya is actually rather shaky:
mahonblog.com/b14jan26.htm
Btw., the scandal made figure Skating a lot more popular for some time and many figure Skaters and Sport Reporters benefited financially. Some even got to be millionaires. Maybe they should thank Tonya Harding ;)
And Tonya WAS talented and - considering the awful circumstances she had to grow up under - very successful.
DON'T get me wrong: The assault against Nancy Kerrigan NEVER should have happened. But There can be two victims in this Story, IMHO. Nancy, of Course, but also Tonya in many ways.
Like the judging scandals, elitism, favoritism, overdone war-horse performance and music style, and incomprehensible scoring system have nothing to do with the skating world’s “dark cloud”.
If she is going to blame this and that on whomever..I think its fair we hear the sexual aspects of it as well. If I remember she used to say she was forced into doing sexual things a lot but she never said what kind of forced sex and with whom and how often...since she used to say "she put up with a lot from her husband and his friends" now we hear of an alleged abusive brother...what kind of abuse? You need to come clean miss tanya
Tyler Chandler she was abused by all of her family except her dad. But her dad never stood up for her
The story about her brother isn’t new. That was coming out in the early 90’s, but no one ever specified what kind of abuse. I do remember hearing that he did something fraudulent concerning sponsorship money, but someone else said he was in on the fraud with her husband.
Tyler Chandler you come clean
Tyler Chandler EXACTLY
According to an article from "Sports Illustrated" from 1992 which was mentioned here (available online) and the Long interview with Rolonda Watts (here on YT) Tonya's half-brother attacked her sexually and kept advancing at her even when she burnt him with her Curling-iron and beat the door down when she locked herself in the bathroom. She had to flee to some neighbours and call the Police. It sounded like he even tried to rape her.
Tyler Chandler:
But it's totally up to Tonya WHAT she wants to talk About and what not. SHE don't has to come clean About it. SHE was the one who was abused and it's HER Business.
You definitely DON'T sound like a nice Person :(