I still reference this video after "all" these years. And seriously, hear me out here: Out of all the channels that do small engines, your video has more detail and is constructed better. It's these types of videos that got channels like Red Beard's Garage and "Cars and Cameras" (those goofballs!) started! So, it might even be worth making an EVEN BETTER version of this with more detail but not overwhelming for a new hobbyist. I'm just say'in, it's these videos that got those channels started and your version of the governor delete is way better....
Thanks! I got the camo model (RT200) last summer right when they came out, $599 + tax shipped free to my local Walmart. But that was 3 weeks after getting a Coleman ct200ex from Tractor Supply for $699. So I promptly cleaned up the 200ex and returned it; nice & broken in, to Tractor supply before the 30 days return date was over. But I changed the oil Immediately after buying it, then once again after an hour of riding (to break it in) but this time used Supertech full synthetic. Thats when I cut off the throttle stop screw cuz they're welded on. So, at least it was properly broke in & did 25 mph for the new owners lol.
Love the RB200 videos, you should do more if possible. Also I would of enjoyed if you went a bit more into detail for the jet change and all of that info. 👍🏼
Even without raising the engine, it's worth ditching the stock air cleaner on the RB200 because of how close it already is. I can't imagine how you'd yank it off with the engine sitting 1" higher.
So my 196cc in my RB200 blew the metal in head between the valve springs, so I put a 6hp Honda OHC from a frozen power washer. It has 8.9 ft lbs compared to the Predator 8.1 ft lb torque. I'm hoping that will be enough to max out a torque converter pulley when I install one. The good news is those OHC engines are even easier to attatch a torque converter to.
Fantastic video. Smashed the like n subscribed. I never lost interest or focus during the entire 20 min video. Some UA-camrs dance around the video descriptions way too much, but you are to the point!
I cut my square tubing more like the setup gopowersports sells, where they're used across fronts/backs mounting holes and not left-right mounting holes. I used the tubing's existing hole and opened up another in each case. It was pretty easy to align the chain without having to drill into the bike's engine mounting plate. Chain alignment looks good and does not rub against the torque converter housing. The torque converter runs at idle. Wish I new why! Can't start the bike on the ground. On a lift I lowered idle speed a bit but it didn't help. When the front clutch cover is installed it's wobbly, so I temporarily tried it without that cover and was able to start the bike without idle causing the rear tire to spin. That is ... until I gave it throttle, and the outside of the belt immediately began to shred. Against what, I have no idea. The pulleys naturally have good alignment because they're bolted to a common plate. And no, I did NOT put the belt on incorrectly. At idle, it once again spins the rear tire. I really wish I knew WTF was going on with this janky setup.
So the janky setup was my janky setup. I installed the outer pulley sheave of the drive clutch backwards. Why, I have no idea but it might be related to me reading the included directions, which do not show this. Technical writing is an actual profession, and "Calm Max" didn't employ such a person.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention Ebay sells round 49cc stickers to go on the round engine cover. That makes them street legal with no motorcycle liscence in some States. :-) (But dont forget to remove the RB200 stickers!)
Great explanation, thanks. Every video I have watched regarding the removal of the governor, they state you must replace the internals (rod/flywheel) as well. Yet, you state with the torque converter you can remove the governor and still be good. Can you explain this? Thanks!
Seems like your the only guy on all of UA-cams who has an RB200 and is doing mods with it. I just purchased one which will be here in a few days. I live in the mountains and hills of North east Pennsylvania and would like to add a torque converter eventually but it seems like it’s going to take a bit more work compared to some other bikes. Is there a better sprocket combination that you would recommend for low end torque and power to rip up hills? Would a stage 1 type set up do much of anything without adding a CVT or removing the governor? I would definitely like to see some more vids with this series of mini bike.
This was a awesome video bud your channel is so awesome I really look up to how you make your videos bud I want to go get one of the new Coleman’s I love how they look like mega max bikes
Guess I am a bigger guy at 220lbs 6'5", I got the throttle stop screw back all the way out, moved the governor spring over to the furthest hole on the arm, getting to about 26-27mph. The governor is no longer kicking in, guess I need to do stage 1 and see where I am before pulling trigger on cvt.
I have a BT200X that I'm about to add aTC. No other people mention moving the engine sideways, especially 1/2". I"m I wrong or misinterpreting what you said? Could you clarify before I do the engine mounting?🤔
I put a OHC Honda 6hp motor from a broken pressure washer on my RB200. It has more torque than a stock 212 predator (8.9 compared to 8.1 pred.) I'm trying to figure out if I should get a 30 or 40 series torque converter
Love your channel man, great video!! I need your help, I got the OMB Stage 2 kit with the shorty header & muffler can I use the 1”x1” square tube riser kit from go power sports or the OMB no offset riser plate? And you said the chain was 6 links too short, so would a #420 108 link chain be the right length, i believe the comes stock with a 102 link right?
So I actually have a video that goes over this in more detail (the before you buy the RB200 video), but to summarize I'd go with the BT even though when others come over to ride EVERYONE wants to ride the RB200 style mini bikes and they are more comfortable for longer rides. The BT is more versatile and I studded the tires and use it for ice fishing. With a larger rear rack it's the perfect size to put my auger and bucket and other gear in the back. Not as comfortable, but more rugged.
You would do better by lighting the clutch shoes to increase your torque by increasing rpm before engaging. Simple to remove a little at a time. Or just get the juggernaut from Go Power Sports
You're forgetting about tuning the rate at which the torque converter expands. If you install lighter weights It will let the motor achieve higher RPMs before expanding a given amount thus pushing you faster.
Great note! Awesome catch! I had a VERY brief mention of how I was going to "play with it" in the video BUT 20 minutes long for a video already... Well... hopeful understandable 😉. Tried to keep it just to how to get upgrades in place. 👍
@@megoingfast tuning the torque converter, coming from a scooter background we call it a variator, is critical. On those smaller 50cc mopeds you really need to maximize RPMs. The same techniques apply here on the larger displacement motors.
Not sure why but i had the Mega Moto Pro ( same bike ) and nothing else touched but the throttle stop screw on the carb that limits throttle. Mine on flat paved road and I am 220lbs, it did 45mph. Gov n all was still inside the engine. I did nothing else. I also had the base model with clutch. 42mph bone stock also. Not sure what coleman did to the gearing or? But mine were awesome stock.
The Coleman is a bit different from both pro and max. I've got all three and the mega moto max had no jackshaft, the pro had a torque converter. The RB100 has the same setup as the other Coleman bikes. I've got videos on all showing differences. The mega moto is definitely an awesome bike!
Great video, I just order one of these and getting everything ready. Where can I buy the carb 38 jets any recommendations for the chain? I love that you included amazon links
Would removing the throttle stop screw flood the engine or damage the stock engine? Just concerning over every little thing I do to my bike to prevent killing the engine, I bought the rb200 and love it to death!
Not likely at all, very low probability. Throttle stop screw sets to an industry standard. Governor will kick in at higher speeds and prevent failures. Not one mini bike of the dozen I have has the throttle stop screw in.
Good video but you tested the final stage of the bike on pavement. All testing should be under the same conditions. The top speeds you got on dirt/gravel may be slightly higher on pavement. And it seemed like you backed off the throttle before it had a chance to reach top speed on the dirt/gravel. If your belt didn't shift all the way that's a good thing.
Great question! Surprisingly my low speed and idle were just fine without the swap. Others may experience different results and this is a great consideration!
Man this is depressing. Pilot services said that the RB200 was near my area when it’s over 2 thousand miles away. I just want the bike I have been waiting for 19 days now ☹️
Hang in there!! I've noticed a slowing in ALL shipping recently. Lots of stores trying to keep supply up on demand. I have seen where pilot does not update their status too, hoping that's the case and it's closer!
@@megoingfast the pilot service has more 1 stars than 5 stars 😱 1 stars saying : “the service is beyond slow and took months to get here.” “My package arrived damaged and unfixable” “Package was poorly take care of do NOT use this service” All of these scare me 😨 (Pilot : *breaks bike* Me : Do. Not. TOUCH ZEE BIKE)
@@shida7089 it did arrive in great condition the only difficult thing was getting the handle bars to cooperate with me, i made my own custom modifications to it witch ill be making a video about later
re: torque converter installation I keep seeing the middle holes being used but why not just rotate it counter-clockwise to the next set of holes, instead of lifting the engine? I reckon it still hits something, or else everyone would just do that instead.
I am confused. If the RB200 is the Mega Moto Pro Frame, why can't I use the Mega Moto Pro Torque Converter and not have to do all the crap with lifting the engine with the plated steel? Bink!
Different frame. They look the same, but are different. I think I may have covered that the RB is using a jackshaft and clutch in the before you buy video, but I did not side by side my pro, max, and RB at the time. I have a side by side for the pro and the max that do close ups a little better.
Hey question I bought the same header you have and I have the same mini bike same motor and I also have it lifted because I also have a torque converter but will the header fit with moving the motor forward the aftermarket header the way I have it lifted is just lifted straight up not forward original position will the header fit ?
Lol love the videos! 43 mph and 80 miles per gallon on that hog. Does this work for the Coleman ct200u? Was thinking about doing the upgrade and I have put the front suspension on it.
Yes. The omb riser plate shown with shaft adapter is the way to go for stock engine on ct200u, ct200u-ex, and bt200x. No need to make custom risers. Or, the predator engine swap will not need a shaft adapter and is commonly done. The results are all roughly the same for speed and performance increase. The torque converter is the same as well. 👍
Did you ever get it to fully go into overdrive where the front pulley belt was all the way up and the back was all the way down? If so what did you have to change and you set up I’m having the same exact problem right now
I have a question. I have the RT200 RealTree 196cc mini bike. I just ordered the cold air intake that was in the link below. Can I put that on as is or do I need to order all the parts in order to properly put it in there?
I’m looking to upgrade my RT200 with all these upgrades with the exception of the air filter. I go through some thick woods and it looks like the air filter sticks way out. Can I do all these upgrades (exhaust, jet, etc) while leaving the stock air cleaner and still have it run decent or will it not get enough air? Thanks in advance.
Hi! @megoingfast Great video that goes into extreme detail. Only thing I can't seem to find is the size 38 Jet. Do you have a link to where I can buy it on Amazon?
looks like it's hard to find. Might be sold out. I typically search "predator 38 jet" on amazon and find it. If nothing else, I've bought .38 jets from Childishconcepts.com before. They can drill to any size. Amazon has the 36/37 jet kits. With these combos, if you get the right emulsion tube and up the idle/pilot jet they can work fine as well.
Yes, depending what else you do to it. Torque converter makes a difference, gas tank exhaust and air filter all do. There is enough room once the engine gets stripped down a little otherwise it's a very tight fitting frame to work with. Mods are needed to make it work.
Great video my man, everything covered in 1 simple episode. I just bought a ct100u, ct200u-ex, and bt200x-o that I'm about to start uploading with and modifying. Can you do a video on "tuning" the tq converter with lighter weights as one commenter mentioned? I was thinking the same thing the whole time, that it would go faster if you could somehow change the ratio so it would rev a little higher with the tq converter on there. Also, take off the helmet! We like to see our host; or at least mix it up with halloween masks or something lol.
did the torqconverter hold up with the stage 1 i was considering getting the one from go power sports but if this is just as good for cheaper id get this but idk if its reliable or not
@@megoingfast just ordered the rb200 excited ima have to do first ride stock make sure everything works right then stage 1 kits next then torque converter. Thanks for the video the info I got helped.
Yup. Nope. Nope. Stage kits are typically marketing packages from companies selling products. You can do many mods without doing it directly in line with what's being sold.
RB200 owner here. Did I hear you say the original chain is about 6 links too short with the torque converter? Is there a way to use some links from the clutch chain I'd no longer be using? Also ... where's a good place to pick up the 38 jet? I plan on using the OMB riser, Stage 1 air cleaner etc. I'm not crazy about the large S-shape header however, although I get that's easiest with this style of rear fender coming right up to the rear rack. I'd much rather find a way to use a style that exits from the center instead.
Sorry for long delays - UA-cam batches what I see in my comments feed... jerks... If you have a link breaker that is also able to smash the pulled pins and a link connector, its possible but I can't recommend it to most people. Yes, the chain will be too short by 6 links. The jet is actually a little low in stock on amazon, but if I don't find them there I just buy one from ChildishConcepts.com website.
@@megoingfast No worries! For me the original chain length was fine, because I only raised the engine 1" and did not need to move it forward. Made 2 risers from 1" square stock. I only re-adusted the chain tension via the back wheel location a little bit. I mean it was like at most one link too short otherwise, well with the realm of adjustability. I'm currently using a .020 secondary, an E140 tube and 34 jet. With stock (.016) secondary and e-tube, a 38 primary was "OK" until the engine got hot and then it ran lean, and ALWAYS ran lean at start and idle. Switching to the E140 was like magic or the midrange and upper end. Pulls like a train there. For me, the large primary helped a little on the low end -- indirectly -- but wasn't the best fix there like the idle jet and etube were. Switching to the .020 secondary allowed it to start WITHOUT choke when hot (duh) and cease stalling off-idle but might be a tad rich. Tomorrow I'll try splitting the difference with a .018 secondary. For me, all of this is why the smaller-than 38 primary jet works, and this isn't a high-revving or non-governed build anyway. I'm using a little shorty curved header and RLV Mini 91 muffler. No way to get singed while riding. My first setup went straight back, under the seat and nearly burned a hole in the seat (I'd lowered the rear fender to make room.) Bought a Monster Moto 212 seat for less than the Coleman seat and it's unsurprisingly a direct bolt-on.
Hey I know this video was a while ago but your input would be much appreciated. I’m looking at getting the juggernaut super 30 series torque converter for my ct200ex. Some people say it adds enough torque to do wheelies. Other people say it’ll slow the bike down because it’s meant for higher revving motors. What do you think?
The short answer is if you're not going to build a 7000 RPM engine do not get a Juggernaut for the torque converter. You don't need it with a stock engine and Coleman gearing as you see in this video.
@@Dingbobber The stock torque converter? You mean the jackshaft? IMO every Coleman 200 needs a torque converter. You don't always need a Juggernaut. I certainly don't need one.
@@Dingbobber Any 30 series torque converter like the one in this video. They are available everywhere from EBay to Amazon and all the big suppliers. How to installations are all over youtube.
The 212's get the edge in torque and HP. One thing I know is that the Hisun 196 is a better quality engine than the old Harbor Freight 196's I have opened. Never opened a 212. I don't think it's worth getting a 212 if you already have a good running 196. Unless you want ride with the 196 while the 212 is being built.
If you want to cut into the engine plate and the torque converter plate, possibly. The problem with the torque converter is that it sits on the engine at and angle where it reaches out beneath the engine. If you upgrade to a header and air filter without box you only need to raise the engine up and move it over, not move it forward.
I plan on doing essentially exactly as you did besides the governor removal, I've got a 6.5hp 196cc powerfist engine on the same exact frame just rebranded from princess auto and with the engine stock just backed off throttle stop screw completely I'm getting 32mph but that is with a jackshaft setup, I'm hoping with he torque converter and stage one kit I can bump that up a decent amount without having to remove the governor
Kind of hard to explain in a small comment. LOTS of GREAT reasons to get both, depending on needs. I do put the two side by side in my RB200 "before you buy" video and cover the differences there as well. Each has pros and cons 👍
@@megoingfast i was just wondering because i just ordered the Coleman br200 196cc mini bike 'it look's ;like a nice little bike and am hoping it has some power i also orderd a tourq converter 3.4 inch hole i hope fits it
But if you don't own a drill or even if you have a drill and don't have a set of drill bits you'd probably be better off to just buy the correct engine Riser plate a set of decent drill bits are going to be more than what it would cost for the plate but once you have the tools you can use them again if ever needed
I still reference this video after "all" these years. And seriously, hear me out here: Out of all the channels that do small engines, your video has more detail and is constructed better. It's these types of videos that got channels like Red Beard's Garage and "Cars and Cameras" (those goofballs!) started! So, it might even be worth making an EVEN BETTER version of this with more detail but not overwhelming for a new hobbyist. I'm just say'in, it's these videos that got those channels started and your version of the governor delete is way better....
Thanks! I got the camo model (RT200) last summer right when they came out, $599 + tax shipped free to my local Walmart. But that was 3 weeks after getting a Coleman ct200ex from Tractor Supply for $699. So I promptly cleaned up the 200ex and returned it; nice & broken in, to Tractor supply before the 30 days return date was over. But I changed the oil Immediately after buying it, then once again after an hour of riding (to break it in) but this time used Supertech full synthetic. Thats when I cut off the throttle stop screw cuz they're welded on. So, at least it was properly broke in & did 25 mph for the new owners lol.
So you liked the RT200 much more than the CT200ex, I was tempted to get a bt200 or ct200 to go with rt200.
I agree with this comment. I own two. I'm planning on buying then torque converters soon
Most professional breakdown compared to smashing gears
Love the RB200 videos, you should do more if possible.
Also I would of enjoyed if you went a bit more into detail for the jet change and all of that info.
👍🏼
Agreed. I just got mine today and while it has some QC issues right out of the crate its a blast to ride.
Even without raising the engine, it's worth ditching the stock air cleaner on the RB200 because of how close it already is. I can't imagine how you'd yank it off with the engine sitting 1" higher.
You deserve a T V Show. No BS.
Keep doing what yiu do. You're good.
So my 196cc in my RB200 blew the metal in head between the valve springs, so I put a 6hp Honda OHC from a frozen power washer. It has 8.9 ft lbs compared to the Predator 8.1 ft lb torque. I'm hoping that will be enough to max out a torque converter pulley when I install one. The good news is those OHC engines are even easier to attatch a torque converter to.
Fantastic video. Smashed the like n subscribed. I never lost interest or focus during the entire 20 min video. Some UA-camrs dance around the video descriptions way too much, but you are to the point!
Super video! Got the b200 at tractor trailer on sale now for 599
Great video...could I just send u my bike so u can mod it 😅😅
Fr tho I live in stl😂😝😋😉
Onggg
I love your vids anything from you humor to the information
Thanks!
Nice video. Easy to follow. Good job! Thank you
Best detailed video on small mods
I cut my square tubing more like the setup gopowersports sells, where they're used across fronts/backs mounting holes and not left-right mounting holes. I used the tubing's existing hole and opened up another in each case. It was pretty easy to align the chain without having to drill into the bike's engine mounting plate. Chain alignment looks good and does not rub against the torque converter housing.
The torque converter runs at idle. Wish I new why! Can't start the bike on the ground. On a lift I lowered idle speed a bit but it didn't help. When the front clutch cover is installed it's wobbly, so I temporarily tried it without that cover and was able to start the bike without idle causing the rear tire to spin.
That is ... until I gave it throttle, and the outside of the belt immediately began to shred. Against what, I have no idea. The pulleys naturally have good alignment because they're bolted to a common plate. And no, I did NOT put the belt on incorrectly. At idle, it once again spins the rear tire. I really wish I knew WTF was going on with this janky setup.
So the janky setup was my janky setup. I installed the outer pulley sheave of the drive clutch backwards. Why, I have no idea but it might be related to me reading the included directions, which do not show this. Technical writing is an actual profession, and "Calm Max" didn't employ such a person.
Good to know
I recently put one on my rt200. Not sure why but I don't have much for low end power. Definitely slower off the line than the jack shaft set up.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention Ebay sells round 49cc stickers to go on the round engine cover. That makes them street legal with no motorcycle liscence in some States. :-) (But dont forget to remove the RB200 stickers!)
Probably still a long way from hitting the Governor even with the stage 1.
Great explanation, thanks. Every video I have watched regarding the removal of the governor, they state you must replace the internals (rod/flywheel) as well. Yet, you state with the torque converter you can remove the governor and still be good. Can you explain this? Thanks!
Seems like your the only guy on all of UA-cams who has an RB200 and is doing mods with it. I just purchased one which will be here in a few days. I live in the mountains and hills of North east Pennsylvania and would like to add a torque converter eventually but it seems like it’s going to take a bit more work compared to some other bikes. Is there a better sprocket combination that you would recommend for low end torque and power to rip up hills? Would a stage 1 type set up do much of anything without adding a CVT or removing the governor? I would definitely like to see some more vids with this series of mini bike.
This was a awesome video bud your channel is so awesome I really look up to how you make your videos bud I want to go get one of the new Coleman’s I love how they look like mega max bikes
Thanks bud!
@@megoingfast heck ya bud keep up the awesome videos you got mad skills
@@megoingfast hey buddy I need help with a build can you reach out to me please
Guess I am a bigger guy at 220lbs 6'5", I got the throttle stop screw back all the way out, moved the governor spring over to the furthest hole on the arm, getting to about 26-27mph. The governor is no longer kicking in, guess I need to do stage 1 and see where I am before pulling trigger on cvt.
Kids gonna have fun 9 an 11 might have to wait a couple more yrs be the full upgrade. Thanks
I was gonna go with the regular Coleman but then I seen this one and I want it csnt wait to mod it
I have a BT200X that I'm about to add aTC. No other people mention moving the engine sideways, especially 1/2". I"m I wrong or misinterpreting what you said? Could you clarify before I do the engine mounting?🤔
What chain size and sprocket size I should use for the torque converter
I put a OHC Honda 6hp motor from a broken pressure washer on my RB200. It has more torque than a stock 212 predator (8.9 compared to 8.1 pred.) I'm trying to figure out if I should get a 30 or 40 series torque converter
Nicely done, Anticipate more friend
Love your channel man, great video!! I need your help, I got the OMB Stage 2 kit with the shorty header & muffler can I use the 1”x1” square tube riser kit from go power sports or the OMB no offset riser plate? And you said the chain was 6 links too short, so would a #420 108 link chain be the right length, i believe the comes stock with a 102 link right?
I did everything in this video an I love my mini bike now
What do you think about installing the torque converter without lifting the engine by cutting a small piece of the torque converter plate off?
Great question! Driven pulley would hit the frame, unfortunately.
If you had to pick one, would you go rb200 or bt200x? Pros and cons of each?
So I actually have a video that goes over this in more detail (the before you buy the RB200 video), but to summarize I'd go with the BT even though when others come over to ride EVERYONE wants to ride the RB200 style mini bikes and they are more comfortable for longer rides. The BT is more versatile and I studded the tires and use it for ice fishing. With a larger rear rack it's the perfect size to put my auger and bucket and other gear in the back. Not as comfortable, but more rugged.
Cool vid man!
Thanks man!
You would do better by lighting the clutch shoes to increase your torque by increasing rpm before engaging.
Simple to remove a little at a time.
Or just get the juggernaut from Go Power Sports
How much hp it give you?
Love the RT/RB 200
That was epic! Crushed the like and subscribe buttons!
You're forgetting about tuning the rate at which the torque converter expands. If you install lighter weights It will let the motor achieve higher RPMs before expanding a given amount thus pushing you faster.
Great note! Awesome catch! I had a VERY brief mention of how I was going to "play with it" in the video BUT 20 minutes long for a video already... Well... hopeful understandable 😉. Tried to keep it just to how to get upgrades in place. 👍
@@megoingfast tuning the torque converter, coming from a scooter background we call it a variator, is critical. On those smaller 50cc mopeds you really need to maximize RPMs. The same techniques apply here on the larger displacement motors.
Not sure why but i had the Mega Moto Pro ( same bike ) and nothing else touched but the throttle stop screw on the carb that limits throttle. Mine on flat paved road and I am 220lbs, it did 45mph. Gov n all was still inside the engine. I did nothing else. I also had the base model with clutch. 42mph bone stock also. Not sure what coleman did to the gearing or? But mine were awesome stock.
The Coleman is a bit different from both pro and max. I've got all three and the mega moto max had no jackshaft, the pro had a torque converter. The RB100 has the same setup as the other Coleman bikes. I've got videos on all showing differences. The mega moto is definitely an awesome bike!
Great stuff excellent video definitely recommend 👍 Jay
On my rt 200 my engine is welded to the bike or is it not? but if it is do I still need the riser for the torque converter? Thx
Would all this work on the model B200cc?
Would a torque converter be better for wheelies or worse? Is it only for top speed?
My torque converter belt is hitting the torque converter cover while in use.
Any advice on how to correct this?
Would be doing 60 with a duromax 16 horsepower has so much torque it is crazy could keep up with most dirt bikes.
Great video, I just order one of these and getting everything ready. Where can I buy the carb 38 jets any recommendations for the chain? I love that you included amazon links
Did you end up finding the Jet? Can't find it myself.
Would removing the throttle stop screw flood the engine or damage the stock engine? Just concerning over every little thing I do to my bike to prevent killing the engine, I bought the rb200 and love it to death!
Not likely at all, very low probability. Throttle stop screw sets to an industry standard. Governor will kick in at higher speeds and prevent failures. Not one mini bike of the dozen I have has the throttle stop screw in.
@@megoingfast awesome, keep up the good videos!
14:13 what's the plastic gear in there for? Why not metal instead?
The governor gear? Because it's cheaper, and not meant to go above 4600 rpm. Just a cheap part, keeps cost down.
Hey great video. Where can you buy
a torque converter for this bike?
Would you recommend the the RB200 or Bt200x as I’m looking to get my first one
What are you using to monitor speed / RPM ?
Can you send me the link to the silencer/muffler you put on the header
Man what exhaust pipe is that and where can I get it! I like the route and the heat shield. I need 2 of em. Someone help a brother out.
Good video but you tested the final stage of the bike on pavement. All testing should be under the same conditions. The top speeds you got on dirt/gravel may be slightly higher on pavement. And it seemed like you backed off the throttle before it had a chance to reach top speed on the dirt/gravel.
If your belt didn't shift all the way that's a good thing.
Also did you add both jets? Make sure you change out that black jet with the upgraded one too, you'll get higher rpms
Great question! Surprisingly my low speed and idle were just fine without the swap. Others may experience different results and this is a great consideration!
Can these be transported on a good bike rack ???
Man this is depressing. Pilot services said that the RB200 was near my area when it’s over 2 thousand miles away. I just want the bike I have been waiting for 19 days now ☹️
Hang in there!! I've noticed a slowing in ALL shipping recently. Lots of stores trying to keep supply up on demand. I have seen where pilot does not update their status too, hoping that's the case and it's closer!
@@megoingfast the pilot service has more 1 stars than 5 stars 😱 1 stars saying : “the service is beyond slow and took months to get here.” “My package arrived damaged and unfixable” “Package was poorly take care of do NOT use this service” All of these scare me 😨 (Pilot : *breaks bike* Me : Do. Not. TOUCH ZEE BIKE)
@@TheGameBest7 did the bike come in? And was it in good condition
@@shida7089 it did arrive in great condition the only difficult thing was getting the handle bars to cooperate with me, i made my own custom modifications to it witch ill be making a video about later
Yea they said mine is gonna be delivered June 9th, but now says June 21st. I ordered on the 2nd
re: torque converter installation
I keep seeing the middle holes being used but why not just rotate it counter-clockwise to the next set of holes, instead of lifting the engine? I reckon it still hits something, or else everyone would just do that instead.
Jackshaft needs clearance
I am confused. If the RB200 is the Mega Moto Pro Frame, why can't I use the Mega Moto Pro Torque Converter and not have to do all the crap with lifting the engine with the plated steel? Bink!
Different frame. They look the same, but are different. I think I may have covered that the RB is using a jackshaft and clutch in the before you buy video, but I did not side by side my pro, max, and RB at the time. I have a side by side for the pro and the max that do close ups a little better.
@@megoingfast I'm subbed, thanks for explaining!
Hey question I bought the same header you have and I have the same mini bike same motor and I also have it lifted because I also have a torque converter but will the header fit with moving the motor forward the aftermarket header the way I have it lifted is just lifted straight up not forward original position will the header fit ?
Where did you get the header
Where would I be able to purchase that size 38 jet
Lol love the videos! 43 mph and 80 miles per gallon on that hog. Does this work for the Coleman ct200u? Was thinking about doing the upgrade and I have put the front suspension on it.
Yes. The omb riser plate shown with shaft adapter is the way to go for stock engine on ct200u, ct200u-ex, and bt200x. No need to make custom risers. Or, the predator engine swap will not need a shaft adapter and is commonly done. The results are all roughly the same for speed and performance increase. The torque converter is the same as well. 👍
Will your exhaust fit. 200r?
Did you ever get it to fully go into overdrive where the front pulley belt was all the way up and the back was all the way down? If so what did you have to change and you set up I’m having the same exact problem right now
I added a green spring in the driven pulley on the torque converter. Made a video about it to show position too.
Do you have a link for the chain you used? I have all of the other items and need the chain.
Do I have to upgrade the chain?
How many miles dose it get on a full tank
Do the RT200 and RB200 models have the non removable EPA carb jets?
removable, yes... EPA... no idear.
I have a question. I have the RT200 RealTree 196cc mini bike. I just ordered the cold air intake that was in the link below. Can I put that on as is or do I need to order all the parts in order to properly put it in there?
You would need the filter, adapter with choke lever holder, and depending what fuel type you use and elevation possibly a new jet for the carburetor.
I’m looking to upgrade my RT200 with all these upgrades with the exception of the air filter. I go through some thick woods and it looks like the air filter sticks way out. Can I do all these upgrades (exhaust, jet, etc) while leaving the stock air cleaner and still have it run decent or will it not get enough air? Thanks in advance.
Did it work I am in the same boat
On the risers you make, are the bottom holes in the same spots as the top holes?
Not where it's mounted. If you have a "stage 1" mini bike, though you can raise the engine up and over instead of also need to push it forward.
Hi! @megoingfast Great video that goes into extreme detail. Only thing I can't seem to find is the size 38 Jet. Do you have a link to where I can buy it on Amazon?
looks like it's hard to find. Might be sold out. I typically search "predator 38 jet" on amazon and find it. If nothing else, I've bought .38 jets from Childishconcepts.com before. They can drill to any size. Amazon has the 36/37 jet kits. With these combos, if you get the right emulsion tube and up the idle/pilot jet they can work fine as well.
The belt would reach if you were using a 20 series torque converter.
What’s the new chain link
Where can I get the spacer to adapt to the 5/8" shaft?
adapt from 5/8 to 3/4? I got one from ebay, another source is omb warehouse
I have the column BT 200 X stock and I was wondering if the predator 8 hp engine fits in the frame with modifications?
Yes, depending what else you do to it. Torque converter makes a difference, gas tank exhaust and air filter all do. There is enough room once the engine gets stripped down a little otherwise it's a very tight fitting frame to work with. Mods are needed to make it work.
The biggest pain point might be the foot pegs. You might need extensions.
Where did you buy the bike and for how much
I have a question what kind of engine would fit in the rb200 if you wanted to swap it for something faster?
Put a r1 engine in there
Good show brother
I think it’s easier to cut tc plate what do u think
Not enough room for the driven pulley.
what tooth is the back sprocket
Do I need the 38 jet if I don’t have the torque converter on? Thanks @me going fast
If you do the header and intake filter upgrade, yes.
@@megoingfast Ok well I did do those so is it a longer looking thing or a small Jammie? I don’t know much about carbs :l
Great video my man, everything covered in 1 simple episode. I just bought a ct100u, ct200u-ex, and bt200x-o that I'm about to start uploading with and modifying. Can you do a video on "tuning" the tq converter with lighter weights as one commenter mentioned? I was thinking the same thing the whole time, that it would go faster if you could somehow change the ratio so it would rev a little higher with the tq converter on there. Also, take off the helmet! We like to see our host; or at least mix it up with halloween masks or something lol.
What type of torque converter did you say it needed?
30 series, with a 41/420/40 chain sprocket, and 3/4" shaft for the RB200. For the other Coleman mini bikes would need the shaft adapter. 👍
Thanks my man 🤟
did the torqconverter hold up with the stage 1 i was considering getting the one from go power sports but if this is just as good for cheaper id get this but idk if its reliable or not
Hold up great. I have 3 of these seen in this video, 2 others of different brand.
@@megoingfast just ordered the rb200 excited ima have to do first ride stock make sure everything works right then stage 1 kits next then torque converter. Thanks for the video the info I got helped.
Can i ask some noob questions? Do I need stage 1 before stage 2? And do i need a torque converter before even putting on those?
Yup. Nope. Nope. Stage kits are typically marketing packages from companies selling products. You can do many mods without doing it directly in line with what's being sold.
I live around 7000 ft elevation. Does being in a higher elevation make significant changes with the oxygen intake And decrease speed?
So yes, and maybe. Lots of different factors at play! You can tune by running richer fuel or changing the jet!
@@megoingfast what elevation are you at?
What torque converter should I use and from where.? Do you offer a code for a discount.?
From amazon, 30 series, 420 sprocket, and I have no codes currently.
@@megoingfast Thank you Very Much.!
RB200 owner here. Did I hear you say the original chain is about 6 links too short with the torque converter? Is there a way to use some links from the clutch chain I'd no longer be using? Also ... where's a good place to pick up the 38 jet?
I plan on using the OMB riser, Stage 1 air cleaner etc. I'm not crazy about the large S-shape header however, although I get that's easiest with this style of rear fender coming right up to the rear rack. I'd much rather find a way to use a style that exits from the center instead.
Sorry for long delays - UA-cam batches what I see in my comments feed... jerks... If you have a link breaker that is also able to smash the pulled pins and a link connector, its possible but I can't recommend it to most people. Yes, the chain will be too short by 6 links. The jet is actually a little low in stock on amazon, but if I don't find them there I just buy one from ChildishConcepts.com website.
@@megoingfast No worries! For me the original chain length was fine, because I only raised the engine 1" and did not need to move it forward. Made 2 risers from 1" square stock. I only re-adusted the chain tension via the back wheel location a little bit. I mean it was like at most one link too short otherwise, well with the realm of adjustability.
I'm currently using a .020 secondary, an E140 tube and 34 jet. With stock (.016) secondary and e-tube, a 38 primary was "OK" until the engine got hot and then it ran lean, and ALWAYS ran lean at start and idle. Switching to the E140 was like magic or the midrange and upper end. Pulls like a train there. For me, the large primary helped a little on the low end -- indirectly -- but wasn't the best fix there like the idle jet and etube were.
Switching to the .020 secondary allowed it to start WITHOUT choke when hot (duh) and cease stalling off-idle but might be a tad rich. Tomorrow I'll try splitting the difference with a .018 secondary. For me, all of this is why the smaller-than 38 primary jet works, and this isn't a high-revving or non-governed build anyway. I'm using a little shorty curved header and RLV Mini 91 muffler. No way to get singed while riding.
My first setup went straight back, under the seat and nearly burned a hole in the seat (I'd lowered the rear fender to make room.) Bought a Monster Moto 212 seat for less than the Coleman seat and it's unsurprisingly a direct bolt-on.
@@thenexthobby I cheat and drill all my clone engine carb pilot/idle to .3mm for easy starts, especially in winter.
@@thenexthobby thanks for sharing your setup!
Does the omb warehouse riser fit on the rb200 ?
Mine is black Not camp. Virtually the same bike though suppose to be upgraded. Only difference I see. It came with s better sure filter.
Hey I know this video was a while ago but your input would be much appreciated. I’m looking at getting the juggernaut super 30 series torque converter for my ct200ex. Some people say it adds enough torque to do wheelies. Other people say it’ll slow the bike down because it’s meant for higher revving motors. What do you think?
The short answer is if you're not going to build a 7000 RPM engine do not get a Juggernaut for the torque converter. You don't need it with a stock engine and Coleman gearing as you see in this video.
@@Deucealive75 Should I even try to replace the stock Torque Converter
@@Dingbobber The stock torque converter? You mean the jackshaft? IMO every Coleman 200 needs a torque converter. You don't always need a Juggernaut. I certainly don't need one.
@@Deucealive75 Okay, my bad I’m new to automatic bikes. Is there one you’d recommend for the stock Coleman?
@@Dingbobber Any 30 series torque converter like the one in this video. They are available everywhere from EBay to Amazon and all the big suppliers. How to installations are all over youtube.
In the Exhaust pipe link it doesn’t have the muffler
Im pretty sure he mentioned the tube is 1". I'm going through everything trying to order the same parts. Kinda stuck looking for the proper jet.
what’s top speed on a stage 2 kit?
How much does all this cost
Would these mods still work on the Predator 212 Hemi?
Yup.
Do I needed the stage 1 if I remove the governor
You don't need it, just makes it a bit faster. Removing the gov with only the torque converter won't do much at all.
Which engine do you think is better 212 predator or the 196 coleman ?
Online resources and help is better for the predator which is an advantage over the 196 cc engines but overall they can both deliver some power!
The 212's get the edge in torque and HP. One thing I know is that the Hisun 196 is a better quality engine than the old Harbor Freight 196's I have opened. Never opened a 212. I don't think it's worth getting a 212 if you already have a good running 196. Unless you want ride with the 196 while the 212 is being built.
Do you absolutely need the risers for the torque converter??
If you want to cut into the engine plate and the torque converter plate, possibly. The problem with the torque converter is that it sits on the engine at and angle where it reaches out beneath the engine. If you upgrade to a header and air filter without box you only need to raise the engine up and move it over, not move it forward.
I plan on doing essentially exactly as you did besides the governor removal, I've got a 6.5hp 196cc powerfist engine on the same exact frame just rebranded from princess auto and with the engine stock just backed off throttle stop screw completely I'm getting 32mph but that is with a jackshaft setup, I'm hoping with he torque converter and stage one kit I can bump that up a decent amount without having to remove the governor
@@megoingfast will this kit as well as the torque converter still make a good difference without the governor removal?
@@andrewquesnel2359 yup.
@@megoingfast sweet, thanks for the reply. I Enjoy watching your videos keep up the good work!
Which would you say is better the rb or the bt
Kind of hard to explain in a small comment. LOTS of GREAT reasons to get both, depending on needs. I do put the two side by side in my RB200 "before you buy" video and cover the differences there as well. Each has pros and cons 👍
how much HP does the 196 cc engine have if you know please
I have not put it in the dyno but it's rated at 5.5hp out of box. Likely makes about 6+- with throttle stop screw pulled back allowing higher rpms.
@@megoingfast i was just wondering because i just ordered the Coleman br200 196cc mini bike 'it look's ;like a nice little bike and am hoping it has some power i also orderd a tourq converter 3.4 inch hole i hope fits it
But if you don't own a drill or even if you have a drill and don't have a set of drill bits you'd probably be better off to just buy the correct engine Riser plate a set of decent drill bits are going to be more than what it would cost for the plate but once you have the tools you can use them again if ever needed