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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- This week we’re discussing all of the Olympic action so far with so many fantastic races already done and dusted at the games. The controversial Women’s race has proved to be the biggest talking point so far, so we dive deeper into what went wrong for the Dutch super squad on the weekend! We also wrap up road racing from Europe, with Fabio Jakobsen and Dylan Groenewegen going head to head for the first time since their huge crash last year at the Tour of Poland.
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Could anyone have predicted the Women's Road Race would be won like that? Let us know your thoughts 👇
Could not predict The Winner, but was easy what would happen with the Dutch team. As with the football team they got No team spirit.
Also they should get the gold in bad excuces and bad sportsmenship.
No and that s why it worked , legendary
No, but that's sport. At the start of the race every rider has a chance to win & we should congratulate this mathematical racer on her improbable victory!
Looks like brunettes are smarter than blondes ;-)
It was impossibe to predict that a largely unknown mathematician with an incredible sense of determination would outsmart and outcompete a team of cycling pros who were sure that they would win. But now that it has happened it makes perfect sense.
Even as an Austrian, I had never heard of Anna Kiesenhofer. After her victory, I started reading up about her, and every bit of information just added to my amazement. A PhD in mathematics? University lecturer in Lausanne? Not part of a professional cycling team? Does all coaching herself? Devised a mathematical model about body temperature during cycling races? Outsmarted a team of Dutch cyclists who had won pretty much everything recently? What an amazing individual. Her cries of exhaustion, pain and joy after the finish line were just exemplary of what a truly deserving winner she is. Respect.
Huge respect for @AnnaKiesenhofer indeed
Actually I did remember her name - it sounded familar and then I realized that she was taking part in a world championships time trial 3 years ago I think where she was not bad at all - I think she was 20th there and before that race she was 5th in the European TT championships
Things that made olympic, olympics.
Huge respect! The epitome of the best kind of Olympic athlete story.
it seems cycling does attract some of the brainer folks (dont know if that excludes me, but...) it might be an interesting off season segment trivia to discover some riders who have had the greatest achievements credited to them post-race career
Her story is perfect for a Hollywood film .She is a true Olympic hero - I’ve been a cycling fan for over 70 years and this was one of the best I have seen.The men’s road race was also magnificent. The individual against the big money teams - one can nothing other than say Brava and Bravo!
hehehe nice...70 years.
yep...but the individual also rides for the biggest money team, at least Carapaz does. Kiesenhofers story is like a movie script, no coach hehe ...but yep I understand the point you are making, both great races....grrhhhhhwas hoping for gold for the Netherlands
Kiesenhofer won in Schwarzenegger style👍👌 Great cinema! From km 0 to the end on the top!
@D. R. of Winch Yes. Well done!
Title: "The Long and Lonely Road to Tokyo"
I fear that they'd never have made such a movie - they'd have said 'that's too unrealistic, it never can happen in reality!'. Well, perhaps they'll make a documentary movie now... Kind regards from Vienna, Austria
Anna Kiesenhofer does not like to ride in pelotons, thats why she decided against a professional cycling career after a short try. At this race she rode alone behind the peloton and as soon they reached km 0 and race started she was gone to be never seen again by the peloton. The stuff of legends.
Gone? what do you mean she was 3.5 km back, that takes literally a few minutes to catch up to her riding as a team. This is the biggest blunder I have ever seen in team cycling. We should be lucky to see this live as I guarantee it will never happen again.
I just love Anna's shocking tactics: getting in front on km1 and riding it as a hard fighting solo rider into Gold! So well deserved! Best Olympic Victory!
She said she likes time trials much more than road racing! She didn’t have a teammate so she basically rode a TT instead of a road race 😅
Not really shocking...she knew that a kilometer zero attack was the only one likely not to be reacted to by the Dutch.
After that, you just work your break group and hope that the peloton isn't interested. It worked out well for her.
@@dclark142002 she said in interviews she didn’t think about the Dutch or anyone!
She just doesn’t like riding in a peloton
@@dclark142002 I think its not that simple. If you have not legs to do this, you could be very smart with good tactics, you will fall.
zoom cycling demonstrated all year round that amateurs who train alone could beat pros who are not used to produce an important effort for long period of time
Please get an interview with Anna as soon as she can find time. She seems great and would love to hear her story and hear knowledge of the sport.
She probably has to go back to her day job 😢
Learn German and listen to our interviews.
@@Cristorei123 do you have a link ?
Anna would make a fantastic coach
Yes, would love to see GCN make a long interview with her - not only about the race but also about her training and race preparation. Obviously, she has deep insights into these areas.
It is THE most important victory in this year's Olimpics, and I dare to say - one of the most important in the entire history of the Games. It's about determination, belief, hard work and being humble. Even if I had three Polish cyclists to root for, I was rooting for Anna when I saw how beautiful her effort was and when I read who she is and what a beautiful person she is off the bike, so to speak. No coach, no dozens of specialists, no nutritionists, physiotherapists, doctors, no contracts, no sponsors, just her passion, knowledge and hard work. She is truly an example which is so hard to come by these days. Thank you, Anna, you are wonderful! ❤️🥇🚴🏽♂️
Great comment👏
I would argue, no team radios makes for WAAAAYYY better racing. No race director running simulations in a super computer with a thousand data points to determine when the best time to attack is. You want it? Go get it. Like your granddaddy's racing. Just make sure you count properly on how many riders were in the breakaway.
Yeah, I agree with this. Perhaps radios just for the riders to communicate with each other?? But I agree with the old school approach and the attitude "You want it? Go get it!" ☺️👍🏻
Race radios are in fact a rather recent thing. The TdF did very well without them for a long time. I think they should be banned because they tend to make races boring, but I suppose the big teams want them.
@@eudyptes5046 I do actually like what the radios can bring to a race sometimes. I think on a tour with multiple days and stages that the radio adds a powerful dynamic. We can see perfectly timed chases which go right to the line - Very exciting. But there is something far more pure and exposing when they are removed. Perhaps we would see more incredible 'Annas' without radios? I think I would like to see a race where only the riders can communicate with their team mates.
You are spot on. This is how I learned how to race and it make the best outcomes. It teaches riders how to think and do critical analysis on the road, keep track of who's who, who's away and what threat do they pose. Now pro racers are too coddled and just do what they're told from the team car. I wonder if they ever considered if there's a tech failure on the radios... then what? Ban race radios for sure. Makes racing come alive!
Agreed! I'd also argue that radios would put smaller team (like a very small Austrian team) at disadvantage. So as long as every individual has to qualify separately, and not the team, they should not allow any radios.
One of the greatest gold medalists in cycling history was ignored by the press in the rush to interview the Dutch team - I was horrified!
@Nec pluribus imparShe didn't outsmart them. The Dutch ladies just screwed up big time.
@@robertdegroot8302 Usually, somebody outsmarting somebody else also involves that other person screwing up big time. These are not mutually exclusive ideas.
@Nec pluribus impar S'il te plait excuse mon Français Autrichien... Je pense que la faute principale fut faite par ces 'leaders' dont tu parles - des cellulaires et des tvs, ça existe quand-mème, n'est-ce pas? Sachant qu'il ny aura pas de course radio, rien de plus simple et logique que de demander à quelqu'un de suivre la course via tv, et de passer toutes informations par cellulaire au team car et à tous ces assistants (boissons, nutrition, etc.) afin de tenir TOUTES les dames de l'équipe au courant à tout temps... Alors, Annemiek aurait du savoir... Néenmoins je m'en raffole qu'elle ne le savait pas...
@@robertdegroot8302 No, it wasn't the Dutch ladies, it was their team management. Please read my comment above in order to understand what I mean! Kind regards from Vienna, Austria.
Anna said in ORF-TV interview: "Plan A was to attack at kilometer zero" - could become a proverb
It's sad if people think that Kiesenhofer's was undeserved and a mark of unprofessional women's racing.
It's only a few commentators and the dutch that think so, and not even all the dutch I suppose. Most people certainly seem to think it was deserved and amazing. I don't think Anna cares:-)
@@eudyptes5046 Let's hope this feeling doesn't gather steam. Hope Anna is feeling as good as Gold. :-)
@@eudyptes5046 I am dutch and i think it was deserved. She went on 0km lost her competitors in the group and won against all odds.
I also believe that she won because our athletes had too big an ego to sacrifice their own chances to the proper result for the team and country.
I also believe that our coach should be sacked because he clearly he failed in making them work as a proper team.
Still this is what the olympics is about and well done Dr Kiesenhofer.
The other riders saying that the race was unprofessional as I have seen it were talking about how the Dutch team in particular and other teams in general raced, not Kiesenhofer.
Totally deserved and all kudos to her…but it wouldn’t have happened if the pack had known that she was still upfront, but they didn’t because of the lack/poor communication by the organizers
It was a brilliant race of Anna Kiesenhofer.
She prepared very well for the Olympics. Every small detail of it, was planned and trained for.
Plus she got the freedom to do her own thing, which was a very unique approach with attacking at km 0.
Very well deserved gold medal 🏅.
And she was alone behind the peleton before km 0 to warm her muscles, which is not possible in the big group. She gave some pretty phantastic interviews after the race and explained a lot. No NLP- talk, a very friendly and intelligent person.
How is the the Women’s race "controversial" ?
The focus about this seems to be mainly "Vleuten lost the race", instead of "Kiesenhofer won the race". Really abysmal.
Because dutch team was over powered.. it was thier race to loose and they lost badly
The main thing are the lack of radios. They are allowed to use them almost everywhere else other than the world championships. Radios play a huge role in today’s cycling. All those that say but it wasn’t like this in the past are missing the point. That’s how it’s done now. Bikes change, wheel change, technology improves. Power meters had this same effect saying that it would kill cycling. But they haven’t. If you’re used to something in normal competition then it is removed well now they changed the game.
I think a good example would be in rowing where they have a coxswain. That’s a person at the back of the boat with a radio pacing the rest of the team. To keep them in sync. Without that person the group could get out of sync causing paddles to be hit or catch the water turning the boat and losing them the race. Same thing and at the women’s race this lack of radio derailed their chances at gold.
I agree with you. The only controversial thing to my mind was the churlish reaction of the Dutch cyclists when they realised they had lost, which was hardly in keeping with the Olympian spirit ! I don’t buy the bit about the radios either. The conditions of the race are well known in advance : the Dutch were simply outthought and out performed by a very worthy winner who made all and thoroughly deserved her win.
@@bighammer3464 But they didn't arbitrarily remove the race radio just before the race. Everybody knows there's no radio in international competitions and they can prepare for that.
If all it was the lack of radio that derailed the Dutch team's chances at gold, then how come they've won 4 out of the 5 European championships, the last 4 World Championships and the last 2 Olympics?
Why do you refuse to look at the obvious thing, which was their refusal to chase and consequently their allowing too much advantage for the breakaway?
@@andrew7taylor I don’t think their refusal to chase is part of the controversy. That’s a different matter
Anna is the new meaning of inspiration, love and awe from the Philippines, Chapeau to Austria too for having Anna!
I found the womens' road race absolutely riveting, and I think the result definitely got more people interested. Uncertainty means excitement, and I'd love to see race radios banned in all events.
Anna is a great advertisement for cycling. Took the race to the rest of the field from the start and was better than all of them.
yes i have no idea why some are saying it makes sport look silly - it makes sport look unpredictable thrilling and awesome....i did not plan 4 hours yesterday to watch the whole thing but it hooked u
Anna Kiesenhofer is my new all time favorite cyclist (like most, I'd never heard of her before this race).
As a keen cyclist and fellow Austrian I can only say that it was a joy to watch this outstanding and utterly brave performance…well done Anna! Your country is very proud of you!
My leading candidate for the Tokyo 2020 sportsmanship award goes to Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig for being the only one to congratulate gold medalist (and PhD Mathematician) Anna Kiesenhofer post race. #TokyoOlympics2020 #GCN
PHD in mathematics !!!! Anna Kiesenhofer is truly very Special 💕
If you saw the race,the way she raced,it was absolutely fantastic. She is bike racing..finally a good race,and a great racer..she weighs 100 pounds and it's all heart
Anna's win is the stuff of dreams. The Dutch just fully dropped the ball - when I raced back in the day if riders broke away, I always counted who and how many and as we caught them back, I'd do the math to see if anyone was left and if unsure, I'd ask a caught rider if anyone got away from them. Bush league racing by the Dutch, but it looks good on them given their unsportswomanlike conduct at the finish, all four women staring daggers at the winner and no one going over to congratulate her. The only rider I saw congratulate Anna was Cecilie Uttrup-Ludwig, who is always a class act and mature beyond her years. Also the fact that the media swarmed the failed Dutch team leaving the winner alone was shameful. The story IS the winner... not how the favourites lost the race... that's the subtext. Shameful.
A few assumptions there mate. The press for a start would of been harassing the Dutch team with their big mistake. "All four were staring Daggers", or maybe just looking at her in shock. "They never went over and congratulated her" Did they have to do that when you were watching? FFS, Give it a break.
Great Win Anna, you outfoxed the best.
@@carmenandthedevil2804 not one single assumption there, 'mate'. All observations based on what I saw via the live stream. You assume shock... I know what I saw and that was staring daggers. And should they go congratulate the winner of the biggest road race in the world? Absofuckinglootly and anything other than that is just flat out sour grapes. Give yourself a break and step away from the keyboard.
@@johnandrews3568 lots of assumptions there. Primarily the fact that no one (not the Dutch or anyone else) knew that she had won the race.
Totally deserved and all kudos to Anna…but it wouldn’t have happened if the pack had known that she was still upfront, but they didn’t because of the lack/poor communication by the organizers
@@eval144 Its not a pro race, they dont have radios at the olympics, its up to the teams to be organised and switched on. Pro team too used to relying on their radios and team cars for info. Anna's tactics were perfect. She was hanging at the back of the race at the start so no one saw her then jumped on the breakaway and took a punt and it paid off. The Dutch were too complacent and as Dan said too many favourites to bother working for each other. Van Vleuten didnt even put her arm around her on the podium. Says it all really. Bunch of sore losers. Got what they deserved.
Agreed.
Kiesenhofer won the race in epic fashion. Stop making excuses for the Netherlanders. They screwed but... who says they would have won if they hadn't been so arrogant.
true! it's impossible to know if they would catch Kiesenhofer.
@@lcsfgnds The one example we have shows that no, they couldn't.
@@lcsfgnds they certainly won the “strongest rider” competition in the Dutch media.
If the dutch team had decided to go hard enough to keep the break within a few minutes, one of them would almost certainly have won gold. However, one or two of them would very likely not win anything at all due to working all day at the front. The dutch team wanted to sweep the medals, so they refused to pull the peloton. Thus, a rider that went away early and was actually fast enough to pace the solo attack by van Vlueten at 50km won. Not really a surprise in retrospect.
It's so incredible that a University lecturer that doesn't have a trainer and the time to "go train for weeks at high altitude"(AvV) won the Olympics.
It just makes it so much better and impressive
The Dutch dilemma? When you put 4 Divas on the stage who's supposed to sing the Aria? Turns out it was the rider who really wanted to do the Solo. Bravo Anna Kiesenhofer!
Anna’s win is one of the best Olympic stories of our generation. Absolutely amazing.
Dutch women's team, meet the USA men's basketball team. Congratulations Anna.
Also to some extent meet Ferrari Strategy team and the famous Master 🅱️lan
What shocked me about the women's road race was the utter disrespect shown to the winner in the post race interviews
Loved every second of the ladies race. Epic stuff.
Best analysis I have seen so far btw.
Never followed a cycling race in my life. The only thing I vaguely recall about cycling is that everyone cheats using PEDs(Armstrong etc). But this amazing story has got me interested in the sport. Everyone is talking about it. Having watched all these videos now I am super curious about bout how cycling strategy works. I think the sport is gonna wind with a lot of new fans because of this mathematician’s victory.
Anna Kiesenhofer a legend! No fluke as some like to think, she was the strongest, a herkulean effort wit archimedean smarts.
You must be joking the Dutch team did not know who was up front and the crash is what lead to this mess, this is why no one even knew where Anna was.
This was a completely fluke, and no team after this will ever let this happen again. This was a massive fail on the dutch team part, case and point where was Anna in the time trial medals? Vleuten played with the field there. I watched it live and wondering "I think the dutch team forgot about her?" yep I was right and Vleuten crossed the line thinking she won lol.
It was absolutely a fluke, bro. She may have been the strongest, but when you don’t have any teammates and another team (Dutch) has 4 riders that are all nearly as strong as Anna, there is no good reason for one of them to not win. The outcome of this race points to incredibly F’d up tactics by the favorites. It’s a bad look for bike racing in general and especially for women’s racing, unless you’re a casual observer not understanding the fuckery unfolding before your eyes.
@@RB-xv4si I am not going to sugar it here but she rode like her life was on the line, she was not stupid she knew clearly something was wrong as no one launched any attacks on her for hours on end. I think Anna clearly knew something was off and just hoped for the best and rode away to the end. There is no one in their right mind cycling next to these elite fit cyclists that thought a monster team like the Dutch would allow someone riding solo with no team would be allowed to ride hours on end along, only a complete idiot would believe that. I am glad Anna but I don’t think this kind of won will ever happen again. Case and point Van Vleuten with a $12,000 TT bike and the Afghanistan rider with an entry level Scott road bike with clip on TT bars lmfao. Oh she finished 13 minutes after.... no shit that’s the time I get on my 14 kg 250$ GMC denali road bike I have. So basically I got even a faster time at 180 lbs and cycling maybe 2 times per week and mostly on weekends 😂
@@danfuerthgillis4483
Are you still crying about it?
@@RB-xv4si how ignorant you are.
This is the best cycling news round-up show out there...bar none. 👏🔥
i absolutly agree !
The top pros are too reliant on radios and large team tactics dictated by their team directors. Was a great race and congratulations to the winner who used her brain. 👍🏻
Congratulations Anna! She reminds me of the great Nicole Cooke. (She looks a bit like her as well). Fantastic result.
It was awesome to see a cycling race won on the bike instead of being controlled from a team car...Well done Anna.
First time ever i was watching a race with open mouths. I am so sorry for Plichta and the way she lost basicly when she grabed that food. But what a race it was.
Being a Dutch supporter, GOOO ANNA. Great to see love.
Has anyone done math could the committed peleton have caught Kiesenhofer if when they passed the Shapira/Plitcha they all knew rider was up road? There were 4.5km left and a 2 minute lead. I doubt it. In that case, the radio excuse is silliness - letting gap go, not chasing as a team, assuming solo rider could bridge had little to do with radio.
Someone can check my math, but assuming Kiesenhofer was going her average speed of 35.3 km/h, she would have closed the last 4.5 km in 7.64 minutes. For the peloton to do 4.5 km in, say, 2:15 less (5.39 minutes) they would have needed to go 50.34 km/h. Consider that AVV's Strava shows a speed of 48.3 km/h, 5.63 minutes, on the circuit in the TT (she has the QOM, BTW) and Elisa Longo Borghini's Strava shows a time of 6:30 on the circuit from Sunday. It's not impossible, but it would have taken an all-out, effort from the Dutch to put someone at the same speed as an individual rider on a TT bike. As we GCN fans all know, 4 riders on road bikes can only catch a single rider on a TT bike when 3 of those riders are so fast they drop the 4th rider ;)
FWIW - Kiesenhofer is on Strava but has posted nothing since 2016, which is sad, because she likely has a QOM or two in there.
biggest respect for your analysis to the womens olympics roadrace. beside your skills as an expert to explain the the tactics, you are the only one out of non german speaking experts who commented this race who got the pronounciation of anna kiesenhofers name right (i am austrian myself, and i guess not just me but my fellow countrymen as well appreciate that fact), you even took a lot of effort to get information about her biography in social media. that was much more than our national tv broadcaster could deliver during the live coverage (to be honest: i have never heard about her before i tuned in to watch the race). great job, thanks a lot !
the teams in the Women's road race seemed to be wanting to play a tactical game as if they were riding a stage in any tour, meanwhile, Anna Kiesenhofer was going for gold. This for me is the single greatest sporting achievement I've ever witnessed.
Anna produced more Joules of energy than anybody else. You can be unlucky riding alone but her effort was there. FULLY DESERVED!! She tried the hardest and got the result. Any of the Dutch could have made the effort but they chose not too, and got the results they merited.
I read a lot of comments "blaming" the lack of radios for the outcome of the race. From what I saw from the race (and I did not see all of it so please correct me if I'm wrong), I think that this is quite ridiculous. The lead group of only 5 riders where formed in the first few kilpometers of the race, there were never more than 2 groups in front of the peloton for the whole race and never more than 7 (or so) riders in front of the peloton. There were only very few crashes a very few attacks from the bunch untill the last few kilometers.
There are races that are complicated, hectic or even chaotic but this race clearly was not and if you are not able to keep up in this race, you must not blame the lack of radios in my opinion.
Kiesenhofer is the abolutely deserved champion irrespectively from team radios and dutch tactics.
As an Ecuadorian you are absolutely right, Richard is our Hero and has become a household name overnight! 🇪🇨
Someone is mad about Anna Kiesenhofer winning? Well, OK, try to finish in front of her next time. She found someone to race with and timed her solo break well. Clearly any embarrassment isn't her fault. It is the Dutch team rode a stupid race. Any embarrassment is theirs and theirs alone. Anna Kiesenhofer is my new hero.
Thanks, Mr. Smooth. And Dan and Chris Horner make it enjoyable to be a knowledgeable cycling fan these days. And please, GCN, we need Ollie and Anna to chat about cycling and science and math and the cosmos and whatever.
lanterne rouge is great too
@@andrewhungocar5736 Yes, you are right, my oversight, and I don't mean to slight anyone. And I like the Cycling Dane guys, too, Scott and Ewan.
Just going to throw this out there....
Dan has really grown into an outstanding presenter/pundit. So natural and charismatic. Love his shows. Good on you, Dan!
4:11 The Dutch team picture is funny too: Everyone has their arm around someone except AVV, who keeps her arms to herself and looks straight ahead. Seems like a sign of things to come.
This really makes me feel like quitting my well-payed but frustrating IT job and just go for cycling at the age of 35. 😍
Lol I'm 36 and also in IT and after not riding a bike for 20 years (!) I got back in to it last year and do mountain biking. Go for it!
Go for it and if you have the talent start racing - RAAM is waiting for you ;)
Back in the 1990s, I was forced to do precisely that: I lost kind of a war against IBM who still wanted to earn big money with a - by then already! - 'stone age' giant computer and I openly disagreed; I got fired, as was IBM soon later when the company merged with their German partners... But I've never been in a bike race. Instead, I found myself travelling by bike across Europe at the age of by then 45plus, which led to me living in Belgium for almost 5 years (women...) - well, You must be somehow sportive if You can cross Europe from Vienna, Austria, to Gent, Belgium = 1600 km in 10 to 12 days (I've done this several times) while carrying app. 25 kg of baggage... There, I've then joined a 'lowest level' bike club, which was enough to let me realize that as for performance I had done pretty well, while as for experience I had to kinda learn anew how to ride a bike, especially when riding in a group and not alone... By now (Feb. 2023), I'm soon gonna turn 74, and I can only advise You to start biking, regardless of yes or no doing races... Simply do what YOU like best!!! Kind regards!
@@oscar060549 I should have added, I DO ride a decent amount when time allows, but despite being from Austria and actually living in the city her bike team is located in, I don't think I have her potential or dedication for structured training. However, I should do some (multi-day) rides again, the last was 2019 in a group with support, no fascination for bike packing, here.
Brilliant analysis of the Women's race there Dan. Tears in my eyes watching Anna Kiesenhofer ride to victory.
I thought the womens race was a great race. Kiesenhofer had calculated it brilliantly. That everyone is moaning about race radio is an insult, go back old school. Thy'er grabbing bottles from the there aids on the side of the road and your telling me not one of them could have shouted a time distance to there team.
I personaly had hoped that the last two of the breakaway had'nt got caught before the finish line. The best woman won fact they should congratulate her for that
The dutch girls were...reluctant..to congratulate her.
@@eudyptes5046 arrogant before, during and after the race. Worst losers.
van Vleuten coming in 2nd place should be considered a great accomplishment since she was involved in a bad crash on the course, only then to come back and at least get 2nd place. No mention of the bronze medalist, not by sports announcers or GMBN either? Borghini of Italy, a great performance by her as well. If you're going to tout women's cycling, mention all the podium cyclists.
This event was an individual race not a team race, so nobody should bitch about race radios. Team tactics have no place in individual races.
Correct title: Austrian PHD defeats pro race narrative.
How about Austrian mathematician defeats people who can't count to three?
The Dutch ladies had a plan, the sort that Mike Tyson talks about. And they never anticipated that a rider without a team could start with a punch that hard and leave them dazed and confused.
Kiesenhofer sounds like cycling’s Jared Ward. If your not familiar he is a marathoner who is a statistics professor and and expert in marathon pacing.
Well done Anna! Good for the Olympics and biking!
Thank you for not joining the baying on the absence of radios. As a UCI MotoComm I know that both the break and the main group would have been given sufficient information. What they elected to do with that information is up to them.
Anna's tactics were my tactics, except, she had the ability to pull it off.
Of course Pogacar wasn't going to chase down McNulty who've just helped him win the Tour. I think it was a great promotion for women's cycling what Anna did. Back in the day cycling was working class sport. Not anymore.
Pogacar's delight with bronze was wonderful.
It wasn’t easy for Pogacar yo get this bronze.
With heavy legs from tdf, he couldn’t escape in climb and found himself in group with wout and 11 others that would not want to cooperate neither with nor with wout.
And he has to catch them and beat in finish, while he is not sprinter like is wout.
To get medal in such condition can be only happy
@@markopodganjek845 yes but still - many people who just dominated TDF would not be as genuinely thrilled as he seemed to be. He rocks.
Well done! Anna Kiesenhofer earned every bit of that gold medal!
Unfortunately Anna's success was covered by Dutch team. Now instead of celebrating her incredible race we have internet filled with compares of women cycling to standards of WNBA, and that this time we didn't even need FC Dallas to prove anything, because van Vleuten's "gold" was enough on its own...
Bravo for pronouncing the name of the women race perfectly correct !!
That is rather rare and embarrassingly enough the German commentator of the race delivered at least 4 false versions of it , even though in the beginning he did use the correct name. Then he got very superficial and created something like Kiesenbauer, Kiesbauer, Kirchenhofer and Kirchenbauer.
It was so awful !
And as a good lesson for him this very women won the race !!
And what a race she delivered - the race of a lifetime I would call it !!
You mean he pulled a “Phil Liggett”?
It could be the Dutch mathematic failed, but Anna was simply fkin strong!!! A big respect to her. Absolutely deserves it!
Stuff of legends, cant get any better than this, its like a hollywood movie where the protagonist is a Phd holder and then goes on to win an olympics gold
They didn't look like they had the body language of a team before the race and certainly didn't look like a team during the race. I think it is very good for the sport and for the third Olympics in a row the Women's race has been more interesting than the Mens.
Fun Fact: The Austrian rider had no team either 😁
@@zendragallhauser5056 absolutely true. But if the Dutch riders had risen as a team with three of them working for one of the others then they would have been difficult to beat.
@@brianbrowne206 true, but they should have beaten her either way actually
They rode as individuals!!
The difference between the Olympics and pro cycling is in pro cycling you sacrifice yourself for a teammate, they win, and you still get paid. In the Olympics they get a medal and you don't get anything.
My 2ed big take away was the Chloe Dygert spent more time on the front of the pack than the whole Dutch team combined. That after experts questioned whether Chloe w/ so little road racing back ground would be able to be an effective teammate. She was & had she been born in Holland the race would have ended differently.
Congrats Anna! You were the best. Very bad headline. You should recognize her win. 3 of us unsubbed.
How nice that a "nobody" (according to prognosticators) won the women's gold.
Yeah. If I was her I'd take it as a badge of honour that all these riders who said they didn't even know me got historically smashed in by me.
She was..... No coach. No team. No pro contact.
She wasnt a "nobody" but some people who do the analytics got too lazy. The last two years nothing - so she can't be a threat...
An excellent commentary on some inspirational racing!
Anna Kiesenhofer is a star (I bet she knows how to pronounce Liège, too).
Are there any photos or stills of the race motos with the chalkboards and split times? From the riders' comments, it isn't clear why the information was not available to them. I just thought that with no radios, they would rely on the marshals, soigneurs, and team cars to relay the information (like old school). To split the difference between race radios and no race radios, I think a compromise could be radios with just the marshals relaying split times, upcoming obstacles, road furnitures, etc., but no team directors giving instructions. Riders and road captains would need to decide for themselves based on the information.
I'm thinking that his could be what comes of too much coaching and reliance on tech. The pro riders are just too used to getting all their information given to them thus limiting their initiative.
i saw far fewer motor bikes than say at Worlds. But radios doesnt excuse allowing a 10 minute lead, not chasing as a team, assuming your solo effort would make up 6 minutes on some scrubs....
What was missing is a board with: start chasing. The Dutch were hiding for a big part of the race.
The fake victory celebration and “we didn’t know” lies are just attempts at saving face and smearing the winner. Watch the celebration again and compare it to every stage of the TdF from the last decade. The Dutch loser 1. Never looked back. 2. Didn’t slow before line. 3. Posted up well after the line. Anyone winning with that size gap knows how to pose for a proper victory photo, she was faking it. The peloton lost because their average speed was very low for dozens of miles. Was comical seeing them sit up taking feed bags with less than 30 miles to go all while being many miles behind. Until women’s participation rates at all levels of cycling increase about 2,000% women’s “pro” cycling will continue to be a shit show.
@@cameratool I agree with you on the fake part.
I don't care much for womens racing, but i love this story of Anna Kiesenhofer. Attacked at Km 0 and toughed it out. Well deserved.
Great commentary on the women's race and Kiesenhofer, Dan. Thank you for covering it.
Well the gold metal winner was just superb! She is amazing, what a brain, what a cyclist and she deserves the win. Stop talking about the Dutch, they did not win. It was their choice.
Might have been a "bad advert" for pro cyclists. Was brilliant for cycling as a whole. Imho
I think the Dutch team had a plan and stuck to the plan. They probably had ladies they wanted to cover (like Kasia & Elisa) and Anna Keisenhofer wasn't one of them.
It's a stretch to say they weren't riding as a team when it shows that they were constantly communicating with each other etc. throughout the race. (I think MANY people are jumping on this current "diva team" bandwagon 🤦♀️). The is Vos 4th Olympics, AvV's 3rd, and AvdB 2nd. They KNOW race radios were not going to be in the race, so I truly believe it's miscommunication/misinformation etc. that may have influenced how they rode this race.
The Dutch wasn't the only one in the Olympic race, so why are they being blamed. I was disappointed our American team didn't do more (I was rooting for Coryn Riviera 🙃)
Let's not over shadow Anna's win with this. It was brilliant 👏👌
Who could have expected SR Suntour fork to be on the winnners bike of the olympics lol
Really haha that’s great
This was epic! Greetings from Amsterdam
What a race, and what an interview with Anna afterwards. Even if it had not been mentioned at that point, one could tell she is an academic. Doubtlessly driven, eloquent and highly educated. As many said, her story would make a fine movie.
There should be talk why the dutch and others (except Ludwig) did not go to Kiesenhofer to congratulate. Shameful if that is the norm in cycling.
It's not a "disaster" when you get what you deserve.
For my money, the biggest screw up in recent cycling history. Started off with complacency and then ridiculous miscommunication. Oh and they were selfish too, all 4 wanted to win so no one wanted to do the work. They shd have ridden for van Vleuten or Vollering. The former for what happened in Rio and latter being the up and coming star. Vos and AVDB have already won gold before.
What a story though with Anna. But in a way I feel sorry for van Vleuten. She really wanted this after Rio. But can still win the TT. She won't need team mates or radio for that.
Finally I can see you in Russia) the great story and great job for Anna! Thank you for your review)
Better headline "Austrian university lecturer delivers a cycling masterclass to dutch students"
One more fact, she didn't even train for this event as she really wanted to run the time trails but Austria didn't get a space, instead she ran here which turned out in her favor, not having a long time to think on a plan for the race she just wanted to prove her strength, with no BS strategy or tactics she knew that the best thing to do was set a pace and keep it, and what a test she won!
She says she’s been planning for this race for the last year and a half….
Pretty weak from van Vleuten complaining about lack of race radio rather than admitting you got your doors smashed in by a legendary performance.
Really? Can't they count? Unbelievable! They didn't even elbow-greet her. Anyway, Anna won. We salute you! You made Women's racing popular. Thanks for the exciting race.
Nice to see some positive sides of this story. We Dutch are only debating on what went wrong before and during the race. What he didn't mentioned was that the head coach in the car couldn't reach the racers and the Dutch ladies didn't know it was such a big time gap. Normally the guy on the motorbike comes along occasionally and shows the time gaps. This didn't happen that much so they were confused the whole race. When v.Vleuten went the first time she even asked the cameraman what the time difference was. At that point she didn't know there where 3 in front.
All and all it was a lack of preparations and strategy because they knew this would be a problem. Also my comment is that they didn't took there responsibility as favorites and didn't take control over the race. Our arrogance tricked us.
Some positive sides? Maybe not in Rotterdam, but for most of the world there were lots and lots positives and very few negatives. I don't buy they didnt know gap was big - it was like that for hours and others were in peleton too. They just let it go, didnt chase like a team, assumed AVL could close 6 minutes solo.....ok the last little screw up radio would have made difference.....but when they caught the last 2 riders, it still would have been very hard to catch kiesendorfer so to me radio is an excuse and distraction
Very strange. Anna was informed on the timegap🤫 Really.
She could calculate and reduce speed/save energy to win at the last 40 km.
If you are a lonely fighter you rely on yourself, the dutch (maybe others as well) on the whole team= low personal responsibility!
clear evidence that no radios improve road racing
Kiesenhofer's win is a WIN for women's cycling. The problem with women's cycling is the "wealth disparity" of talent. I think this is a step towards physical egalitarianism... Bravo!
If Anne Kiesenhofer had not been able to sustain her pace , just like the others in the break away group, everyone would have congratulated the Dutch strategy, but how could the Dutch have guessed that Anne Kiesenhofer would be so strong?
No Radio = Best !!! 😎
YESSS AUSTRIAA LETS GOOOO WOOOO
A brilliant slap in the face to the arrogance of the establishment, a credit to individual effort and ability
Great wrap up and commentary of the Women's race. I agree with your comments 100%.. Top effort and well deserved Anna.
Great summary of the women’s race.
Boys how the f you got a beautiful Giotto behind you not being used. Get that machine making coffee ASAP
I am extremely happy Kiesenhofer won gold. I have never liked how countries acted as a team for an obviously individual effort event.
can't wait for her movie adaptation. congrats mate!
Great stuff Dan as usual! Yer a TREMENDOUS announcer! 💪🏻👍🏻👊🏻👏🏻
Thrilled for Richard and THRILLED for Anna! Great analysis Dan, agree wholeheartedly 👏👏