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  • @jimlocke9320
    @jimlocke9320 6 місяців тому +3

    The ratio of sides of a 22.5°-67.5°-90° right triangle is derived from constructions in a regular octagon, applying the properties of an isosceles right triangle, the Pythagorean theorem and additional basic geometry, but trigonometry need not be used. The ratio (short side):(long side):(hypotenuse) is 1:(1 + √2):√(4 + 2√2). Extend AB down and drop a perpendicular from C to it, labelling the intersection as point D. ΔBCD is a 22.5°-67.5°-90° right triangle and ΔACD is an isosceles right triangle. Let BD = x. Then CD = x(1 + √2). By properties of an isosceles triangle, AD = CD = x(1 + √2). AB = AD - BD = x(1 + √2) - x = x√2. Let AB be the base of ΔABC, then CD is the height and the area is (1/2)(x√2)(x)(1 + √2) = x²(2 + √2)/2. We note that the hypotenuse is x√(4 + 2√2) and also, from the given, equal to 4. So, x√(4 + 2√2) = 4 and x = 4/(√(4 + 2√2)). Therefore, x² = (4/(√(4 + 2√2)))² = 16/(4 + 2√2) = 8/(2 + √2) and area = (8/(2 + √2))(2 + √2)/2 = 4, as Math Booster also found.

    • @ludmilaivanova1603
      @ludmilaivanova1603 6 місяців тому

      I used the same method -not too many constructions were needed.

    • @robertloveless4938
      @robertloveless4938 6 місяців тому

      That's how I did it !!!! Glad tk know my logic was verified. THANKS.

  • @devondevon4366
    @devondevon4366 6 місяців тому

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    From B, Draw a 22.5-degree angle to touch AC. Let's label the point P
    BPC = 135 degrees
    Hence, triangle ABP is a 45, 45, 90 right triangle.
    Let's label BP = n
    Then AB = n
    and PC =n
    Draw a perpendicular line from P to BC to create two congruent triangles ( 67.5 degrees
    90 degrees and 22.5 degrees) BPR and CPR
    CR= 2 = BR
    Notice that in both BPR and CPR, 2 is opposite 67.5 degrees (I will come back to this later)
    with n as their hypotenuse
    Drop a line from A to X to form a right triangle ABX
    This is similar to BPR and CPR (67.5 degrees, 90 degrees, and 22.5 degrees
    In triangle, ABX n is also it's hypotenuse and length AX = 2
    The area of the triangle is length BC * AC *1/2
    4 * 2 *1/2 = 4 Answer

  • @quigonkenny
    @quigonkenny 6 місяців тому

    First method (no trig):
    Draw a line segment from B to D on AC so that ∠ABD = 90°. ∠BDA = 90°-45° = 45°, so ∆ABD is an isosceles right triangle and AB = BD.
    As ∠BDA = 45°, and is an external angle to ∆CDB at D, ∠DBA = 45°-22.5° = 22.5°. Therefore, ∆CDB is an isosceles triangle and DC = BD.
    Drop a perpendicular from D to E on BC. As ∆CDB is isosceles, and D is the vertex opposite the base, DE bisects ∆CDB and creates two new congruent right triangles, ∆BED and ∆DEC.
    In right triangle ∆BED, as ∠DBE = 22.5°, ∠ EDB = 90°-22.5° = 67.5°.
    Extend EB to F and drop a perpendicular from A to F. As ∠FBA is an external angle to ∆ABC at B, ∠FBA = 45°+22.5° = 67.5°. As ∠AFB = 90° and AB = BD, ∆AFB is congruent with ∆BED, and AF = BE = 4/2 = 2.
    Triangle ∆ABC:
    A = bh/2 = 4(2)/2 = 4 sq units
    Second method (trig ok):
    As ∠A = 45° and ∠C = 22.5°, ∠B = 180°-(45°+22.5°) = 112.5°.
    sin(22.5°) = sin(45°/2)
    sin(22.5°) = ±√((1-cos(45°)/2)
    sin(22.5°) = √((1-1/√2)/2) 0
    sin(22.5°) = √((√2-1)/2√2)
    sin(22.5°) = √(2-√2)/2
    sin(112.5°) = sin(180°-112.5°) = sin(67.5°)
    sin(112.5°) = sin(135°/2)
    sin(112.5°) = ±√((1-cos(135°)/2)
    sin(112.5°) = √((1+cos(45°)/2) 0
    sin(112.5°) = √((1+1/√2)/2)
    sin(112.5°) = √((√2+1)/2√2)
    sin(112.5°) = √(2+√2)/2
    By the law of sines:
    BC/sin(A) = CA/sin(B) = AB/sin(C)
    4/sin(45°) = CA/sin(112.5°) = AB/sin(22.5°)
    4/(1/√2) = CA/(√(2+√2)/2) = AB/(√(2-√2)/2)
    4√2 = 2CA/√(2+√2) = 2AB/√(2-√2)
    CA = 4√2(√(2+√2))/2 = 2√(4+2√2)
    AB = 4√2(√(2-√2))/2 = 2√(4-2√2)
    Area = CA(AB)sin(45°)/2
    A = 2√(4+2√2)(2√(4-2√2))/2√2
    A = 4√(16-8)/2√2
    A = 4√8/2√2 = 8√2/2√2 = 4 sq units

  • @1ciricola
    @1ciricola 6 місяців тому

    If trigonometry is permitted, in ΔABC, the length of side AB can be calculated using Law of Sines. Side AB is shared with ΔAPB. The altitude of triangle ABC is the length of side AP of triangle ΔAPB. Since the length of side AB is known, the Law of Sines can again be used to determine the altitude/height of ΔABC which is AP of triangle ΔAPB which is 2.
    Area = .5 x b x h = .5 x 4 x 2 = 4

  • @harikatragadda
    @harikatragadda 6 місяців тому

    Reflect ∆APC about PC and extend AB to AF.
    ∠PAC = 22.5° and since ∠ACF is 45°, ∆AFC is an Isosceles Right triangle, with AF = FC.
    ∆AFA' is Congruent to ∆BFC by SAS, hence AA'= 4
    AP = ½AA' = ½*4 = 2
    Area(∆ABC) = ½*2*4=4

  • @Irtsak
    @Irtsak 6 місяців тому

    A little *crazy solution* with Pythagoras theorem.
    I will use Math booster shape in 2:41
    Let BE⊥AC (construction)
    Obviously AE=ED=BE=x and BD=DC=y
    Pythagoras theorem in Δ BDE => y²=x²+x² => y²=2x² (1)
    Right triangle BEC (Pythagoras)
    (x+y)²+x²=16 => 2x²+2xy+y²=16 =>
    2x²+2xy+⁡2x²=16 cause (1)
    => *x²+xy+⁡x²=8* (2)
    Area of triangle ABC
    (ABC)=(ABE)+(BED)+(BDC)
    =½x²+½ x² +½•xy
    =½(x²+x²+xy)
    =½•8 cause (2)
    = 4 square units

  • @prime423
    @prime423 6 місяців тому

    The octagon analogy is apt and also a teaching moment. It should lead to discussions about regular polygons including the pentagon, hexagon and decagon..Thats what i did for many years.

  • @Mediterranean81
    @Mediterranean81 5 місяців тому

    14:00 sin (90+a)=-cos a

  • @alexbayan8302
    @alexbayan8302 6 місяців тому

    Form a right triangle AFC so that ACF is 45 degree and AFC is a right angle. Let AF=CF=a Then AC=a*sqrt(2) By the angle bisector theorem BF=a/(1+sqrt2)=a*(sqrt2 -1)
    BF^2+FC^2=4^2 by Pythagorian. This results in a^2 = 8 / (2 - sqrt2). So the area of AFC = 1/2 * 8 / (2 - sqrt2) Since the ratio AB/AF = 2 - sqrt2 by angle bisector theorem, the area of ABC = 1/2 * 8 = 4.( 2-sqrt2 on both numerator and denominator cancel each other out)

    • @alexbayan8302
      @alexbayan8302 6 місяців тому

      If trigonometry is allowed, a=4 cos 22.5 Area of AFC = 0.5 x 16 x (cos 22.5)^2 =4 * ( 1+cos 45); Area of BFC = 0.5 * 4 * cos 22.5 * 4 * sin 22.5 = 4 * sin 45.
      Since sin 45 = cos 45 Area of AFC - Area BFC = 4

    • @alexbayan8302
      @alexbayan8302 6 місяців тому

      I thought my methods were not elegant enough first but after reading all other solutions I came to the conclusion that these two are the simplest solutions so far, so I am uploading mine now Maybe someone else will come up with even simpler ones. ...

    • @alexbayan8302
      @alexbayan8302 6 місяців тому

      So far the best solution is by Eddie Dra. It requires no calculation and is very illuminating.

  • @EddieDraaisma
    @EddieDraaisma 6 місяців тому

    Consider a circle through A, B and C with center M. angle(BAC) = 45deg, so angle(BMC)=90deg. angle(ACB)=22,5deg, so angle(AMB)=45deg. Then angle(AMC)=135deg. BM=CM, so angle(MBC)=(180deg-90deg)/2 = 45deg. Then AM parallel to BC, so [ABC] = [BCM] = 4 * 2 / 2 = 4.

  • @Alejandro52rus
    @Alejandro52rus 6 місяців тому

    Interesting methods. I have another one. If you draw the line BD to AC to make angle 90 degrees with AC, we can say that: BD = 4*sin22,5, then we can find DC = sqrt(4^2 - (4*sin22,5)^2) = 4*cos22,5. And if angle BAD is equal to 45 degrees then angle ABD is equal to 45 degrees too, then BD = AD. So area of ABC = 1/2*BD*(AD+DC) = 1/2*4*sin22,5*(4*sin22,5+4*cos22,5) = 8*((1-cos45)/2) + 4*sin45 = 4*(1-sqrt(2)/2) + 2*sqrt(2) = 4

  • @cremath
    @cremath 6 місяців тому +3

    good question, thank you😊

  • @WahranRai
    @WahranRai 6 місяців тому +3

    Your second method used trigonometry !

  • @akifbaysal9141
    @akifbaysal9141 6 місяців тому

    2nd solution is almost pure trigoninetry based solution. There is another non trigoninetric way, by utilizing Pithagoras theorem in a different set of assisting graphs. one can draw.

  • @phungcanhngo
    @phungcanhngo 6 місяців тому

    Both methods are good .Thank you professor.

  • @prime423
    @prime423 6 місяців тому

    this is a teaching moment. The nitti gritti is obvious to everyone who can follow the reasoning. Since we want the area, the first step is to draw the altitude!!When this is not enough, we need to make use of the 45 degree angle.How?Thats the teaching moment.

  • @michaeldoerr5810
    @michaeldoerr5810 6 місяців тому

    That is pretty much the third or fourth time that I understood both methods. And looks like I have just found another problem for practice.

  • @devondevon4366
    @devondevon4366 6 місяців тому

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